Re: [SLUG] bounce in evolution

2007-11-06 Thread jam

On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 12:00 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  OK I take a mail to me and 'redirect' to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  As Mary, I open the mail which says:
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (resent as [EMAIL PROTECTED])
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ...
  
  Wow! bizare!
  Now the same mail form maxine to jam bounced to mary (in
 kmail, done
  properley)
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ...
  
  THAT's a bounce. jam is not mentioned in mary's mail
 
 I wouldn't call it a bounce if it's rewriting the From: header
 (although
 evolution does add a new Envelope-From: header that things
 like Outlook
 can pick up on).

I guess that it is what the RFC calls it. Mailers like mail. elm, mutt
do it right. The GUI mailers have their knickers in a knot.

The bayesian filters on spam assassin need to learn that mail 
From: BadGuys
To: Learner
is tagged as spam, but all permutations of [EMAIL PROTECTED] is NOT spam

Thanks for help and comments
James

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Re: [SLUG] bounce in evolution

2007-11-05 Thread jam

On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 12:00 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I want to bounce mail with evolution (gutsy) as
 per 
   
 http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/ResendingMailWithHeaders

Anybody able to offer any help? Please I do NOT
 want to
   resend, see the link for all the reasons. 
I fear that I'll just have to revert to kmail
 complete with
   crashes!
Yes I googled for a couple of hours :-)
James
   
   That link also tells you how to do it; from the
 Message menu,
   Forward
   As... - Redirect.
  
  No, how evolution once-upon-a-time could do it. Select
 actions ...
  ooops
  None of the current redirect options 'bounce'
 
 The redirect option from the Forward As submenu sends to new
 recipient(s) leaving all headers intact. If that's not the
 bounce you're
 looking for, what is?

OK I take a mail to me and 'redirect' to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As Mary, I open the mail which says:

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (resent as [EMAIL PROTECTED])
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...

Wow! bizare!
Now the same mail form maxine to jam bounced to mary (in kmail, done
properley)

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...

THAT's a bounce. jam is not mentioned in mary's mail

James


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Re: [SLUG] bounce in evolution

2007-11-05 Thread Peter Hardy
On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 14:13 +0900, jam wrote:
 On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 12:00 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I want to bounce mail with evolution (gutsy) as
  per 

  http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/ResendingMailWithHeaders
 
 Anybody able to offer any help? Please I do NOT
  want to
resend, see the link for all the reasons. 
 I fear that I'll just have to revert to kmail
  complete with
crashes!
 Yes I googled for a couple of hours :-)
 James

That link also tells you how to do it; from the
  Message menu,
Forward
As... - Redirect.
   
   No, how evolution once-upon-a-time could do it. Select
  actions ...
   ooops
   None of the current redirect options 'bounce'
  
  The redirect option from the Forward As submenu sends to new
  recipient(s) leaving all headers intact. If that's not the
  bounce you're
  looking for, what is?
 
 OK I take a mail to me and 'redirect' to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 As Mary, I open the mail which says:
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (resent as [EMAIL PROTECTED])
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ...
 
 Wow! bizare!
 Now the same mail form maxine to jam bounced to mary (in kmail, done
 properley)
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ...
 
 THAT's a bounce. jam is not mentioned in mary's mail

I wouldn't call it a bounce if it's rewriting the From: header (although
evolution does add a new Envelope-From: header that things like Outlook
can pick up on).

I just tried the same procedure the guys at
http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/ResendingMailWithHeaders recommend
for kmail; copy the message to a Sent folder, then select it, go to the
Message menu and Edit as New Message.

That seems to preserve all but the Received (and From) headers from the
original message.

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Re: [SLUG] bounce in evolution

2007-11-04 Thread Peter Hardy
On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 10:15 +0900, jam wrote:
 Hi
 rant I find kmail to be the best featured mailer, I just crashes, usually 
 when searching :-( /rant
 
 I want to bounce mail with evolution (gutsy) as per 
 http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/ResendingMailWithHeaders
 
 Anybody able to offer any help? Please I do NOT want to resend, see the link 
 for all the reasons. 
 I fear that I'll just have to revert to kmail complete with crashes!
 Yes I googled for a couple of hours :-)
 James

That link also tells you how to do it; from the Message menu, Forward
As... - Redirect.

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Re: [SLUG] bounce in evolution

2007-11-04 Thread jam

On Mon, 2007-11-05 at 12:00 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I want to bounce mail with evolution (gutsy) as per 
  http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/ResendingMailWithHeaders
  
  Anybody able to offer any help? Please I do NOT want to
 resend, see the link for all the reasons. 
  I fear that I'll just have to revert to kmail complete with
 crashes!
  Yes I googled for a couple of hours :-)
  James
 
 That link also tells you how to do it; from the Message menu,
 Forward
 As... - Redirect.

No, how evolution once-upon-a-time could do it. Select actions ...
ooops
None of the current redirect options 'bounce'
James 

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Re: [SLUG] bounce in evolution

2007-11-04 Thread Jacinta Richardson
jam wrote:

 I want to bounce mail with evolution (gutsy) as per 
 http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/ResendingMailWithHeaders

I'd appreciate any hints on how to do this with Thunderbird too (but I expect to
be out of luck).

J

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Re: [SLUG] bounce in evolution

2007-11-04 Thread Jacinta Richardson
Jacinta Richardson wrote:

 I'd appreciate any hints on how to do this with Thunderbird too (but I expect 
 to
 be out of luck).

Ah excellent.  The plugin in the link worked fine.  I must have missed it the
first time I skimmed through the list.

J

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Re: [SLUG] bounce in evolution

2007-11-04 Thread Peter Hardy
On Mon, 2007-11-05 at 10:21 +0900, jam wrote:
 On Mon, 2007-11-05 at 12:00 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I want to bounce mail with evolution (gutsy) as per 
   http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/ResendingMailWithHeaders
   
   Anybody able to offer any help? Please I do NOT want to
  resend, see the link for all the reasons. 
   I fear that I'll just have to revert to kmail complete with
  crashes!
   Yes I googled for a couple of hours :-)
   James
  
  That link also tells you how to do it; from the Message menu,
  Forward
  As... - Redirect.
 
 No, how evolution once-upon-a-time could do it. Select actions ...
 ooops
 None of the current redirect options 'bounce'

The redirect option from the Forward As submenu sends to new
recipient(s) leaving all headers intact. If that's not the bounce you're
looking for, what is?

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[SLUG] bounce in evolution

2007-11-03 Thread jam
Hi
rant I find kmail to be the best featured mailer, I just crashes, usually 
when searching :-( /rant

I want to bounce mail with evolution (gutsy) as per 
http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/ResendingMailWithHeaders

Anybody able to offer any help? Please I do NOT want to resend, see the link 
for all the reasons. 
I fear that I'll just have to revert to kmail complete with crashes!
Yes I googled for a couple of hours :-)
James

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