[SLUG] free speech and internet censorship ?
G'day all Has this been covered in Australia? Could this happen in Australia? http://immi.is/?l=enp=intro David On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 14:37 +1100, slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: Send slug mailing list submissions to slug@slug.org.au To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to slug-requ...@slug.org.au You can reach the person managing the list at slug-ow...@slug.org.au When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of slug digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: SLUG Membership decline (meryl) 2. Re: Which bank doesn't use Linux servers? (Martin Visser) 3. Re: SLUG Membership decline (Heracles) 4. Re: Re: Time Pedantry (Daniel Pittman) 5. Re: SLUG Membership decline (John Ferlito) 6. Re: Re: Time Pedantry (Jake Anderson) 7. Re: Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers? (Jake Anderson) 8. Re: SLUG Membership decline (Adrian Chadd) email message attachment Forwarded Message From: meryl gnu...@aromagardens.com.au To: slug@slug.org.au Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Membership decline Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 12:10:38 +1100 On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 08:14:03 +1100 jon jonjer...@optusnet.com.au wrote: 1. Make it possible to obtain and renew membership online Yes, I'd become a member if I could do it online or via snail mail. 2. Take advantage of the increasing interest in Linux on the desktop by setting up an Applications SIG and/or focussing on applications at some events. ... So most of the talks and events scheduled by SLUG hold no interest for me. Here! Here! I totally agree, the majority of list of 2009 presented talks appeared to be waaay too techy to entice me to come along and SLUGlets talks appear to be too short to offer anything substantial to take away use. I raised this same issue about a year ago (iirc), I mentioned that LUV's plans for Software Freedom Day http://softwarefreedomday.org/melb looked like a very appealing program of talks and workshops that I'd be really keen to see something like that organised on a regular basis, at SLUG-meets, for us Sydney-siders. * New and upgraded applications demonstrated and discussed * Distros compared and evaluated * Using Linux with various peripherals -- scanners, printers, tablets, multiple screens * Bash programming techniques -- but keeping it simple * OpenOffice techniques and macros * GIMP, Inkscape, Scribus techniques In addition to the above, (a very good list Jon!) I'd also like to see basic/beginning Python, basic/beginning Rails/Ruby, troubleshooting problems; i.e. using run levels, wireless setup etc... cheers, Meryl email message attachment Forwarded Message From: Martin Visser martinvisse...@gmail.com To: slug@slug.org.au Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers? Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 12:17:37 +1100 I have to agree with Daniel. shutting them down is the safe option. Having a service unavailable through the wee hours is far preferable then say having to undo a whole of transactions that inadvertantly get run twice (think of all the automated payment systems scheduled to run at certain times). A bank even has to consider the connections to other financial institutions and whether their applications behave properly. Also you could almost guarantee that while the core transaction processing is on a old-fashioned mainfram, the will more than likely have one of pretty much every platform doing some part of their business applications. ( I actually worked on a project that was going to bring in a new Java on UNIX platform a few years ago, unfortunately it was put on ice 6 months in). Regards, Martin martinvisse...@gmail.com On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Daniel Pittman dan...@rimspace.net wrote: Jake Anderson ya...@vapourforge.com writes: Jim Donovan wrote: I noticed the following on the Commonwealth netbank site this morning: NetBank, Mobile Banking and Telephone Banking will be unavailable between 2am and 5am EST on Sunday 4 April 2010 to allow for the changeover from Australian Eastern Daylight Savings time to Australian Eastern Standard time. Please take this timeframe into consideration when completing your banking. For updates during this change, please visit: www.commbank.com.au/update. Please press NEXT to access NetBank. Assuming it wasn't an April Fool joke, perhaps it means their databases use local time and the logic won't permit transactions to be entered out of order such as might appear to be if one happened just before the changeover time and another less than an hour later.
Re: [SLUG] free speech and internet censorship ?
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:32:44 +1100
David Andresen dd...@linuxen.biz wrote:
G'day all
Has this been covered in Australia?
Could this happen in Australia?
http://immi.is/?l=enp=intro
David
Well, it has been considered to some extent. In Dow Jones and Company
Inc v Gutnick [2002] HCA 56 the High Court allowed Gutnick to sue for
an internet article published in a service provided by Dow Jones.
The servers were located in the USA.
Some slight cause for optimism: the Court emphasised that the
publication was one that was by subscription only. Therefore Dow Jones
**knew** that it would be read in Australia.
You can see the case at:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/high_ct/2002/56.html
A very slender ray of hope though.
Alan
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: SLUG Membership decline (meryl)
2. Re: Which bank doesn't use Linux servers? (Martin Visser)
3. Re: SLUG Membership decline (Heracles)
4. Re: Re: Time Pedantry (Daniel Pittman)
5. Re: SLUG Membership decline (John Ferlito)
6. Re: Re: Time Pedantry (Jake Anderson)
7. Re: Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux
servers? (Jake Anderson)
8. Re: SLUG Membership decline (Adrian Chadd)
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Forwarded Message
From: meryl gnu...@aromagardens.com.au
To: slug@slug.org.au
Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Membership decline
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 12:10:38 +1100
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 08:14:03 +1100
jon jonjer...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
1. Make it possible to obtain and renew membership online
Yes, I'd become a member if I could do it online or via snail
mail.
2. Take advantage of the increasing interest in Linux on the
desktop by setting up an Applications SIG and/or focussing on
applications at some events. ... So most of the talks
and events scheduled by SLUG hold no interest for me.
Here! Here! I totally agree, the majority of list of 2009
presented talks appeared to be waaay too techy to entice me to
come along and SLUGlets talks appear to be too short to offer
anything substantial to take away use. I raised this same issue
about a year ago (iirc), I mentioned that LUV's plans for
Software Freedom Day http://softwarefreedomday.org/melb looked
like a very appealing program of talks and workshops that I'd
be really keen to see something like that organised on a regular
basis, at SLUG-meets, for us Sydney-siders.
* New and upgraded applications demonstrated and discussed
* Distros compared and evaluated
* Using Linux with various peripherals -- scanners, printers,
tablets, multiple screens
* Bash programming techniques -- but keeping it simple
* OpenOffice techniques and macros
* GIMP, Inkscape, Scribus techniques
In addition to the above, (a very good list Jon!) I'd also like
to see basic/beginning Python, basic/beginning Rails/Ruby,
troubleshooting problems; i.e. using run levels, wireless setup
etc...
cheers,
Meryl
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From: Martin Visser martinvisse...@gmail.com
To: slug@slug.org.au
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 12:17:37 +1100
I have to agree with Daniel. shutting them down is the safe
option. Having a service unavailable through the wee hours is far
preferable then say having to undo a whole of transactions that
inadvertantly get run twice (think of all the automated payment
systems scheduled to run at certain times). A bank even has to
consider the connections to other financial institutions and
whether their applications behave properly.
Also you could almost guarantee that while the core transaction
processing is on a old-fashioned mainfram, the will more than
likely have one of pretty much every platform doing some part of
their business applications. ( I actually worked on a project
that was going to bring in a new Java on UNIX platform a few
years ago, unfortunately it was put on ice 6 months in).
Regards, Martin
martinvisse...@gmail.com
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Daniel Pittman
dan...@rimspace.net wrote:
Jake Anderson ya...@vapourforge.com writes:
Jim Donovan wrote:
I noticed the following on the Commonwealth netbank site
this morning:
