Re: [SLUG] own domainname with non-permanent connection?
thanks everyone for the pointers I'll check them all out. Ta, Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] own domainname with non-permanent connection?
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Dave Fitch wrote: I will shortly have my own domain name so have been looking at web and email fowarding for it so www.mydomain.com goes to www.myisp.com.au/~username and [EMAIL PROTECTED] goes to my isp email address. I have my ISP answer for stillhq.com, which is where I have POP mail drops and my web presence. I then use fetchmail to collect mail from the POP accounts regularly. Works fine. I can't imagine this is uncommon -- my ISP in Canberra only charges $30 a month for the service. Mikal -- Michael Still ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.stillhq.com -- a whole bunch of Open Source stuff including PDF software... The Chad is great!The Chad is stuck! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] own domainname with non-permanent connection?
I know with www.dns2go.com that you can tell it to set your IP address to 0.0.0.0 when/if you go offline (regularly if you use Telstra ADSL). Generally, a static IP addr on Telstra's ADSL network will set you back a considerable amount for little more gain - they consider this a bigpond direct service and thus charge the big bucks for the same speed etc as the standard dynamic ADSL service. Another option is to config sendmail to fetch you mail using the ETRN (??) command - that way, the mail will be stored on a secondary server and you initiate the transfer to the primary when you are up - and list mail (non TO: addressed mail) will work too. MAtt (comments are mine - not Cisco's) At Saturday, 23/06/2001 11:04 PM (+1000), Graeme Robinson wrote: At 12:57 PM 25/06/2001 +1000, Paul Robinson wrote: This might be ugly.. well actually it would be way ugly but it's an answer from left field. how about setting up a (free) dynamic dns account (http://www.dyndns.org) and point your mail to that which in turn points to your ip (there are scripts u can download and run which update the dns automatically when you connect to the net (run script from /etc/ppp/ip-up). I don't know how well this would work in practice, I have a server on adsl dynamic dns using dyndns.org. It's extremely reliable. After much thought I rejected the idea of making my dynamic host my primary MX host for 1 reason: I don't want any mail to bounce. There is the chance, though small, that if your server is down for some reason that your last IP will be allocated to another network user who runs a mail server - if mail goes to that IP before you can get your server online again it will bounce or even be lost - not an acceptable risk for business mail IMO. I'm lobbying Telstra for a fixed IP but in the meantime another ISP hosts my domain and my mailserver is configured for pop collection and multidrop distribution of my domain mail. It works pretty well but I've heard multidrop can get into trouble when delivering listmail. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] own domainname with non-permanent connection?
On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 04:04:14PM +1000, Graeme Robinson wrote: meantime another ISP hosts my domain and my mailserver is configured for pop collection and multidrop distribution of my domain mail. It works pretty well but I've heard multidrop can get into trouble when delivering listmail. That's because the envelope is lost once the message is delivered into a mailbox. If you can convince your ISP to insert a header with the envelope info into each message, there's no problem. qmail, I believe, does it on all messages, and it's easy to do it with sendmail and procmail. Cheers, John -- whois [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] own domainname with non-permanent connection?
Quoting Matt Hyne [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Another option is to config sendmail to fetch you mail using the ETRN (??) command - that way, the mail will be stored on a secondary server and you initiate the transfer to the primary when you are up - and list mail (non TO: addressed mail) will work too. As I (perhaps wrongly) understand it to use ETRN your host has to be configured as primary MX host. This raises the issue I mention below. MAtt (comments are mine - not Cisco's) At Saturday, 23/06/2001 11:04 PM (+1000), Graeme Robinson wrote: There is the chance, though small, that if your server is down for some reason that your last IP will be allocated to another network user who runs a mail server - if mail goes to that IP before you can get your server online again it will bounce or even be lost - not an acceptable risk for business mail IMO. I'm lobbying Telstra for a fixed IP but in the meantime another ISP hosts my domain and my mailserver is configured for pop collection and multidrop distribution of my domain mail. It works pretty well but I've heard multidrop can get into trouble when delivering listmail. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Graeme Robinson Graenet consulting http://www.graenet.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] own domainname with non-permanent connection?
Graeme Robinson wrote: Quoting Matt Hyne [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Another option is to config sendmail to fetch you mail using the ETRN (??) command - that way, the mail will be stored on a secondary server and you initiate the transfer to the primary when you are up - and list mail (non TO: addressed mail) will work too. As I (perhaps wrongly) understand it to use ETRN your host has to be configured as primary MX host. This raises the issue I mention below. also, many ISPs implement port 25 blocking to prevent use of dynamic dns to run a mail server... i had this problem. my solution, host my domain with pair.com and have pop boxes for each known address or forwarders to their ISP account. everyone gets there list mail fine. hth marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] own domainname with non-permanent connection?
Hi all, I will shortly have my own domain name so have been looking at web and email fowarding for it so www.mydomain.com goes to www.myisp.com.au/~username and [EMAIL PROTECTED] goes to my isp email address. I've tried searching around (on slug archives and google) but everything I've read so far seems to assume you've got a permanent internet connection. The web forwarding is probably ok cos I can permanently forward it to my web space under my isp. But for email I will need it to be either: a) forwarded somewhere and held for my to retrieve later (eg. via pop/fetchmail) b) a primary/secondary mx type arrangement where me (the primary) is usually offline so the secondary doesn't mind providing the storage space etc until I come online again and do the etrn or whatever to have it sent on to me via smtp. I haven't managed to find any place that does this, except as part of a web hosting package, ie. for big $$$. I don't mind paying but not very much, obviously free would be better still. Anyone got any recommendations or places to look etc? Thanks, Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] own domainname with non-permanent connection?
The web forwarding is probably ok cos I can permanently forward it to my web space under my isp. But for email I will need it to be either: a) forwarded somewhere and held for my to retrieve later (eg. via pop/fetchmail) That is what I do. Yahoo does it for about $10US a year (as well as handling the web redirect). Obviously you also need a pop3 account somewhere. Check out this howto (it's a bit old, but it should all still apply). http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Offline-Mailing.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] own domainname with non-permanent connection?
This might be ugly.. well actually it would be way ugly but it's an answer from left field. how about setting up a (free) dynamic dns account (http://www.dyndns.org) and point your mail to that which in turn points to your ip (there are scripts u can download and run which update the dns automatically when you connect to the net (run script from /etc/ppp/ip-up). I don't know how well this would work in practice, but I use them for a domain and used to get email sent to it until my uni blocked smtp at the main connection to the net.. haven't bothered telling everyone to swap back to old email address yet.. but performance wise they are pretty good. 5 min latency max in changing ip addresses. Paul On Sunday 24 June 2001 12:17, enterfornone mumbled something about: The web forwarding is probably ok cos I can permanently forward it to my web space under my isp. But for email I will need it to be either: a) forwarded somewhere and held for my to retrieve later (eg. via pop/fetchmail) That is what I do. Yahoo does it for about $10US a year (as well as handling the web redirect). Obviously you also need a pop3 account somewhere. Check out this howto (it's a bit old, but it should all still apply). http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Offline-Mailing.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] own domainname with non-permanent connection?
On 24 Jun, Dave Fitch wrote: I haven't managed to find any place that does this, except as part of a web hosting package, ie. for big $$$. I don't mind paying but not very much, obviously free would be better still. Anyone got any recommendations or places to look etc? There are a couple of places in the US that offer webhosting, for liedra.net I use http://digitalspace.net . I use their mailservers as well, so I don't know about the mail issues - they're quite quick at returning messages, so it might be worth your while asking. Upsides: Cheap. Fairly reliable. Unlimited mail, ftp, etc accounts. Shell accounts. Downsides: a little slow, frequent reboots of their redhat servers. (as of now, george.frogspace.net (my server) has an uptime of 3 days.) Another place is http://phpwebhosting.com which my boyfriend runs http://www.lardcave.net from - seems a lot faster than digitalspace, but I don't know anything about their mail setup. Hope this gives you an idea of some options :) Catie -- Acephali \A*cepha*li\, n. pl. [LL., pl. of acephalus. See Acephal.] 1. A fabulous people reported by ancient writers to have heads. - http://www.dictionary.com http://www.liedra.net -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] own domainname with non-permanent connection?
This might be ugly.. well actually it would be way ugly but it's an answer from left field. how about setting up a (free) dynamic dns account (http://www.dyndns.org) and point your mail to that which in turn points to your ip (there are scripts u can download and run which update the dns automatically when you connect to the net (run script from /etc/ppp/ip-up). Actually I think Dyndns.org can provide all the service you need. They have recently expanded their service to provide hosting for exactly this situation. If you donate some money then they will let you host a real domain i think. Check out more details on their page. Dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] own domainname with non-permanent connection?
At 12:57 PM 25/06/2001 +1000, Paul Robinson wrote: This might be ugly.. well actually it would be way ugly but it's an answer from left field. how about setting up a (free) dynamic dns account (http://www.dyndns.org) and point your mail to that which in turn points to your ip (there are scripts u can download and run which update the dns automatically when you connect to the net (run script from /etc/ppp/ip-up). I don't know how well this would work in practice, I have a server on adsl dynamic dns using dyndns.org. It's extremely reliable. After much thought I rejected the idea of making my dynamic host my primary MX host for 1 reason: I don't want any mail to bounce. There is the chance, though small, that if your server is down for some reason that your last IP will be allocated to another network user who runs a mail server - if mail goes to that IP before you can get your server online again it will bounce or even be lost - not an acceptable risk for business mail IMO. I'm lobbying Telstra for a fixed IP but in the meantime another ISP hosts my domain and my mailserver is configured for pop collection and multidrop distribution of my domain mail. It works pretty well but I've heard multidrop can get into trouble when delivering listmail. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] own domainname with non-permanent connection?
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Dave Fitch wrote: Hi all, I will shortly have my own domain name so have been looking at web and email fowarding for it so www.mydomain.com goes to www.myisp.com.au/~username and [EMAIL PROTECTED] goes to my isp email address. Have a look at http://www.easydns.com/ They have a dynamic DNS service and can do secondary MX as well as web forwarding and lots of other things. Great service and smart, quick tech support. It is a fee based service. Rodos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
