RE: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 09:30, Tony Green wrote: Quite the contry. I think showing how well (or badly) they do is vital for people to be able to swap over. I know its a major consideration in all of the corporate desktop migrations I have done. I have windows on my laptop so I can knock up some test pages if required. Geoff has Word running on Linux not need to polute the environment :-) Anyone that thinks they can break Open Office can forward a copy in advance so that I can import and verify it. I wont hide the truth just want a chance to look for known bugs first (eg drop case). Thanks KenF -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
quote who=Ken Foskey Anyone that thinks they can break Open Office can forward a copy in advance so that I can import and verify it. I wont hide the truth just want a chance to look for known bugs first (eg drop case). We have found a few Word-crashing files that Open Office will read quite happily. :-) - Jeff -- I came for the quality, but I stayed for the freedom. - Sean Neakums -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
Ken, Anyone that thinks they can break Open Office can forward a copy in advance so that I can import and verify it. I wont hide the truth just want a chance to look for known bugs first (eg drop case). I don't know about OO, but I have a problem with Star Office. I have a spreadsheet that has 45874 rows. It opens perfectly under M$ Excel but I get a refusal from SO about there being too many rows. Would that also apply to OO? Trevor -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Pia smith Seriously, I think that would be quite helpful and educational for most people, and good to see what is new in different fields, and what direction diffferent distros are taking. We definitely want to have distro install and use demos / lightning talks. However, after the violence and general mayhem of the vi vs. emacs and python vs. perl debates, our insurance company isn't prepared to underwrite the health care and recovery costs associated with a distribution debate. # apt-get upgrade insurance Mike -- Michael Lake University of Technology, Sydney Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 02 9514 1724 Fx: 02 9514 1628 Linux enthusiast, active caver and interested in anything technical. UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER = This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 15:34, Pia smith wrote: Could also get a StarOffice/OpenOffice comparison. Current release of Star office 5.2 is fairly long in the tooth. Star Office 6.0 and Open Office 1.0 is pretty much exactly the same. There are some minor differences to do with asian fonts that rely on licensed software owned by Sun so it cannot be used for OO. The major difference with Star Office is the perception of support by PHMs. That is pretty much it. The support for Open Office is starting to grow in the developer community, so the bugs will get squished faster. The whole tree for this software is HUGE. Most of the Open Office focus has been on startup time and import of M$ documents. THer are some bugs but they are fairly esoteric. KenF -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
Hi all, Speaking of highly technical talks, I'll offer to redo the tutorial I gave at Linux.conf.au back in February titled : Introduction to Audio Digital Signal Processing on Linux It takes a bit over 3 hours :-). Probably not something for a SLUG meeting thoough. Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yes it's valid) +---+ There is no satisfactory substitute for excellence. -- Dr. Arnold O. Beckman -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 08:10:00AM +1000, Ken Foskey wrote: On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 15:34, Pia smith wrote: Could also get a StarOffice/OpenOffice comparison. Current release of Star office 5.2 is fairly long in the tooth. Star Office 6.0 and Open Office 1.0 is pretty much exactly the same. There are some minor differences to do with asian fonts that rely on licensed software owned by Sun so it cannot be used for OO. The major difference with Star Office is the perception of support by PHMs. That is pretty much it. The support for Open Office is starting to grow in the developer community, so the bugs will get squished faster. The whole tree for this software is HUGE. Most of the Open Office focus has been on startup time and import of M$ documents. THer are some bugs but they are fairly esoteric. seeing as OpenOffice 1.0 just got released, it'd be pretty timely to see a demo at this month's meeting :) or, as this thread is about highly technical talks, how about an introduction to the OpenOffice project for potential developers; ie. what subprojects it has, how Collab.Net's source tools work, what the file formats look like, and what big bugs need people working on them. I'm not familiar with the project (just pulling keywords out of the press release :) but I'd be interested to hear what it's like. Perhaps someone who is part of it could tell us about it? (Ken? :) Conrad. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
I agree that a demo of Open Office at a meeting would be great :) If we could do a versus demo of it against StarOffice even better :) Would be interesting to pull in a windows box (gasp) to show how well documents import but that could be just getting silly. I'm not familiar with the project (just pulling keywords out of the press release :) but I'd be interested to hear what it's like. Perhaps someone who is part of it could tell us about it? (Ken? :) Pia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 09:23, Pia smith wrote: I agree that a demo of Open Office at a meeting would be great :) If we could do a versus demo of it against StarOffice even better :) Would be interesting to pull in a windows box (gasp) to show how well documents import but that could be just getting silly. Quite the contry. I think showing how well (or badly) they do is vital for people to be able to swap over. I know its a major consideration in all of the corporate desktop migrations I have done. I have windows on my laptop so I can knock up some test pages if required. TG -- Tony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel : +61-(0)2-9500-9996 Mobile: +61-(0)4-2521-9996 GnuPG Key : 1024D/B5657C8B Key fingerprint = 9ED8 59CC C161 B857 462E 51E6 7DFB 465B B565 7C8B -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
Pia Would be interesting to pull in a windows box (gasp) to show how well documents import but that could be just getting silly. No actually that is a great idea! setup a linux server with samba and two workstations connected. one with windows and office 2000 or office 97 and the other with KDE/GNOME/etc and Openoffice 1.0. Then do opening/edit/save for the same document back and forth between boxes so that people can SEE it working. People could bring along an office or openoffice doc of some complexity (tables, graphics, whatever) and see how the conversion goes. should not be too hard to string 3 laptops together if people bring them in. (two would suffice even). Linux on one with samba and win on the other. Ben -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
quote who=Erik de Castro Lopo Introduction to Audio Digital Signal Processing on Linux It takes a bit over 3 hours :-). Probably not something for a SLUG meeting thoough. Heh. Hopefully, that is what we're changing. No one wants to do really introductory talks, because they think everyone will know (they don't!) and no one wants to do highly technical talks, because they think it would be inappropriate given SLUG's diverse audience (but people don't continue coming after they reach a certain skill level). New SLUG meeting format and style to be announced next week. :-) - Jeff -- Broken hearts rarely come with Some Assembly Required stickers. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Pia smith wrote: I agree that a demo of Open Office at a meeting would be great :) If we could do a versus demo of it against StarOffice even better :) Would be interesting to pull in a windows box (gasp) to show how well documents import but that could be just getting silly. Thats not even a little bit silly.. it would be very easy to bring along a box with excel/word on it and demonstrate how well OO does/does not import and export. After all, we have to admit that is what this whole deal is about.. being able to talk to the M$ Office world. David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
Can I suggest a talk/debate that really highlights differences in distros. Get us some fanatics from different distros to do lightning talks/comparisons, and then crack out the WWF boxing ring ;) Seriously, I think that would be quite helpful and educational for most people, and good to see what is new in different fields, and what direction diffferent distros are taking. Could also get a StarOffice/OpenOffice comparison. Just a suggestion, Pia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
quote who=Pia smith Seriously, I think that would be quite helpful and educational for most people, and good to see what is new in different fields, and what direction diffferent distros are taking. We definitely want to have distro install and use demos / lightning talks. However, after the violence and general mayhem of the vi vs. emacs and python vs. perl debates, our insurance company isn't prepared to underwrite the health care and recovery costs associated with a distribution debate. ;-) - Jeff -- I don't know whose brain child it was, but it was quite an ugly child. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 03:34:56PM +1000, Pia smith wrote: Can I suggest a talk/debate that really highlights differences in distros. Get us some fanatics from different distros to do lightning talks/comparisons, and then crack out the WWF boxing ring ;) Seriously, I think that would be quite helpful and educational for most people, and good to see what is new in different fields, and what direction diffferent distros are taking. I wouldn't mind seeing that. I've been a happy Debian user for quite some time now, but I've got next to no idea what sort of goodies latest Red Hat, Mandrake, or whatever have, because the last time I seriously looked at them was several years ago. It'd be nice to know what I'm missing out on, so I can insult it properly ;) -Andrew. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 04:36:03PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: Hi all, Working on ideas for upcoming SLUG meetings, I'd like to guage how many people have highly technical talk ideas [1] that they wouldn't normally see as appropriate for a SLUG audience. Also interested in *requests* for highly technical talks, too. I'd actually be interested in a talk of some kind about choosing and understanding free software licensing, which is technical in some sense, and possibly not interesting to the majority of SLUG members. I could possibly give this speech after some research. -Mary. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
quote who=Mary I'd actually be interested in a talk of some kind about choosing and understanding free software licensing, which is technical in some sense, and possibly not interesting to the majority of SLUG members. That's exactly the kind of thing I had in mind. I'd consider doing something on Free Software project management. Certainly die-hard Free Software stuff, but not very technical. - Jeff -- When there's public debate and mass hysteria, that's when the patches roll in. - Michael Meeks -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 16:36, Jeff Waugh wrote: Hi all, Working on ideas for upcoming SLUG meetings, I'd like to guage how many people have highly technical talk ideas [1] that they wouldn't normally see as appropriate for a SLUG audience. Also interested in *requests* for highly technical talks, too. Don't be alarmed - this will be tempered by introductory material; I'm just interested to see what we've got available first. System monitoring, performance monitoring and alerting (netsaint/cricket etc) I could give the talk (with some research) but I think it would be nice to have some more 'sysadmin' type talks. -- Tony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel : +61-(0)2-9500-9996 Mobile: +61-(0)4-2521-9996 GnuPG Key : 1024D/B5657C8B Key fingerprint = 9ED8 59CC C161 B857 462E 51E6 7DFB 465B B565 7C8B -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
This one time, at band camp, Jeff Waugh wrote: Working on ideas for upcoming SLUG meetings, I'd like to guage how many people have highly technical talk ideas [1] that they wouldn't normally see as appropriate for a SLUG audience. Also interested in *requests* for highly technical talks, too. I have ideas for a talk on building network infrastructure, covering bootstrap to maintenance. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg Fat ass Cartman was Not on the school bus today. What a big fat turd. -- Kyle Broflowski, South Park -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
quote who=Tony Green System monitoring, performance monitoring and alerting (netsaint/cricket etc) I could give the talk (with some research) but I think it would be nice to have some more 'sysadmin' type talks. Cool; there's actually been an earlier offer for a talk on netsainty stuff as well, so perhaps you could do a tag-team presentation. ;-) - Jeff [ who would like to encourage non-ctte posts on this thread ;-) ] -- Interplanetary Pants -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 04:36:03PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: Working on ideas for upcoming SLUG meetings, I'd like to guage how many people have highly technical talk ideas [1] that they wouldn't normally see as appropriate for a SLUG audience. Also interested in *requests* for highly technical talks, too. Mike Gigante of SGI gave an excellent XFS talk that went really in-depth to it and convinced me that XFS rocked out[1]. It didn't just say XFS is good. XFS does journalling; it went in-depth into the design of every single aspect, even stuff like real-time sections. I was stunned to see this sort of talk at LUV (as opposed to Playing DVDs Under Linux), and IMHO it's the best talk I've seen, but bear in mind that I've never been to a conference[2]. Ever since GNOME development began, I have urged people to aim to make it as good as the Macintosh. To try to be like Windows is to try for second-best. - Richard Stallman Out-of-the-box Windows isn't exactly a bad thing for new users. Having it locked in to Windows style tho (*cough*fvwm95*cough*) is, however, a Bad Thing. [1]: As any #slug member can tell you. [2]: CALU: down the road but didn't know about it; LCA 2001: no money; LCA 2002: had money but conflicted with school -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://raging.dropbear.id.au KDE Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org Kopete: Multi-protocol IM clienthttp://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete/ msg23051/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 17:08, Daniel Stone wrote: [1]: As any #slug member can tell you. [2]: CALU: down the road but didn't know about it; LCA 2001: no money; LCA 2002: had money but conflicted with school 2003 - Come on the SLUG luurve bus[3,4] to Perth [3] Where the value of bus may equal trains / planes / automobiles or even an actual bus. [4] May not actually exist but is a possiblity. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
Why not a talk on iptables ? A -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeff Waugh Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2002 4:36 PM To: Penguinillas Subject: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests? Hi all, Working on ideas for upcoming SLUG meetings, I'd like to guage how many people have highly technical talk ideas [1] that they wouldn't normally see as appropriate for a SLUG audience. Also interested in *requests* for highly technical talks, too. Don't be alarmed - this will be tempered by introductory material; I'm just interested to see what we've got available first. Thanks, - Jeff [1] System administration, development, deeply Free Software oriented (perhaps not of interest to a general audience), etc. -- Ever since GNOME development began, I have urged people to aim to make it as good as the Macintosh. To try to be like Windows is to try for second-best. - Richard Stallman -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
Alex Samad was once rumoured to have said: Why not a talk on iptables ? Been There, Done That. Slides are at http://kitsumi.xware.cx/tech/ If people seriously want a more indepth talk about iptables, I might be lured out into giving such a talk. C. -- --==-- Crossfire | This email was brought to you [EMAIL PROTECTED] | on 100% Recycled Electrons --==-- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Highly Technical Talk Offers / Requests?
On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 08:26:41PM +1000, Alex Samad wrote: Why not a talk on iptables ? Since talk writes are notoriously awful at writing slides, I hereby offer anyone who wants it, the mgp source to my Netfilter presentation I did at LUV last year. Not a great deal has changed since then (only newnat, more extensions, etc), so it would still be very useful. Plus, it's got a whole heap of funny stuff in there that I found in the 0.1.8 source, in private mails from Rusty, etc. Anyone who wants to do a Netfilter talk is thus advised to give me a yell. Cheers! :) d -- Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://raging.dropbear.id.au KDE Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kde.org Kopete: Multi-protocol IM clienthttp://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete/ msg23062/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
