Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:04:39PM +1000, DE LUCA Ben wrote: I would love to be able to find people competent in the administration of NIS, samba, NFS and able to use tapes with tar etc, be competent in shell scripting. There seems to be such an emphases of linux as a webserver compared to other tasks. These topics are covered in the LPI cert. With the exception of the scripting. I do teach another subject in scripting... see http://www.slug.org.au/training.html Geoffrey On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 11:40, Geoffrey Robertson wrote: Educational Allies and other dudes, A few TAFE people had a meeting yesterday in Sydney's west---we have launched the process to creating some Linux Statement of Attainment courses. I think I'm right in saying these will be the first courses in Australia to offer an inexpensive ($150) open entry Linux specific qualification. They formalize the courses we have had running at Granville TAFE Electrical Engineering Dept. for a number of years. For your comment The courses: Statement of Attainment in Linux Subjects: o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours Is this necessary? Doable by project work or RPL o Introduction to Linux (72 hours) Easy Introduction for non technical people. 80% GUI 20% basic command line. Moms and Pops course. o Linux and MS Windows network Integration (72 hours) Easy Introduction to networking. 100% GUI Install and network a mix of OSs. Show how nearly everything that you can do with Linux can be done with a legacy commercial system. o Running Linux (72 hours) Introduction to Linux for computer literate people. Aimed at people studying Computer Science at other institutions, administrators of legacy commercial systems or any all those who have been running Linux somewhere and would like to fill in the gaps in their knowledge. o LAMP (72 hours) --- proposal only at this time For Linux literate people. Set up and configure Apache. Install and use a free database. Learn Perl / PHP / Python and create a Website with these tools. Flexable delivery roject based course? o TBA 72 hours Your idea goes here. Statement of Attainment in LPI Certification Level 1 o LPIC 101 Exam Preparation (72 hours) Entry requirement: Completed Running Linux or equiv. or RPL or LPIC 102 Exam Preparation This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for exam LPIC 101. o LPIC 102 Exam Preparation (72 hours) Entry requirement: Completed Running Linux or equiv. or RPL or LPIC 101 Exam Preparation This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for exam LPIC 102. Statement of Attainment in LPI Certification Level 2 o LPIC 201 Exam Preparation (72 hours) Entry requirement: LPIC 101 Exam Preparation and LPIC 102 Exam Preparationor LPIC Level 1 Certification. This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for exam LPIC 201. o LPIC 202 Exam Preparation (72 hours) Entry requirement: LPIC 101 Exam Preparation and LPIC 102 Exam Preparation or LPIC Level 1 Certification. This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for exam LPIC 202. Comments Geoffrey lcdp.sf.net -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:35:18PM +1000, Kevin Saenz wrote: This is an excellent step forward. It's great that the TAFE is starting with the basics in Linux. I would like to see how many people sign up for this course. Also what TAFEs would this appear in? This is formalizing courses that have been running for four or five years now. So far only at Granville tafe. How many? I teach about 100 students each semester. Over 9 semesters that's about 800 students. Very roughly. Geoffrey Statement of Attainment in Linux Subjects: o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours Is this necessary? Doable by project work or RPL o Introduction to Linux (72 hours) Easy Introduction for non technical people. 80% GUI 20% basic command line. Moms and Pops course. o Linux and MS Windows network Integration (72 hours) Easy Introduction to networking. 100% GUI Install and network a mix of OSs. Show how nearly everything that you can do with Linux can be done with a legacy commercial system. o Running Linux (72 hours) Introduction to Linux for computer literate people. Aimed at people studying Computer Science at other institutions, administrators of legacy commercial systems or any all those who have been running Linux somewhere and would like to fill in the gaps in their knowledge. o LAMP (72 hours) --- proposal only at this time For Linux literate people. Set up and configure Apache. Install and use a free database. Learn Perl / PHP / Python and create a Website with these tools. Flexable delivery roject based course? o TBA 72 hours Your idea goes here. snip, yet again -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:29:22PM +1000, Graham Smith wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:40, Geoffrey Robertson wrote: Educational Allies and other dudes, SNIPPED Geoffrey, One subject that I feel that needs coverage is Security on Linux. IPtables - creating a firewall from scratch VPN - How to setup and secure Proxies Intrusion detection chroot ssl I seem to struggle with these items each time I have to set them up. Yes, this is one of the courses in LPI cert level 3. Which has still to be written. Would make a good slug fest in the meantime. Time for a securefest. The last one was pre iptables afair. Geoffrey BTW, openVPN is now available for Windows 2000 and XP. They have ported the TAP/TUN devices to windows. http://openvpn.sourceforge.net/ -- Regards, Graham Smith - -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:59:24PM +1000, Perry, David J wrote: Looks good, Geoffrey, hopefully LPIC201/202 will be available next year. I'll see how my energy levels are next year :) One area which I think is important is system administration for small office home office ( SOHO ) situations. This is the less sexy end of Linux but really important for the end users. I speak from experience as sys admin for a small network which supports two students. ;-) The things that really excite my users are: * printing, especially when it stops for no apparent reason in the middle of a 10 page document * Mozilla browsers which don't have the necessary plug ins to render some web sites * Open Office Writer which doesn't have an Australian dictionary or thesaurus installed. I've tried but couldn't get it to work. :-( This is my two bob's worth for the TBA section of the course. These anoyances are part of the reason that the user base for Linux is made up of technical users or those like our families who have close access to a technical user. This will gradually change. However there is no course at this time to make mozilla do everything that IE does or make every .doc perfect in OpenOffice. You will remember as I do the painfull change over from ASR33s to glass ttys. Sooner or later this legacy commecial MS software will fall away before the tide of free and open software. Geoffrey -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 12:08:16PM +1000, Brad Kowalczyk wrote: As a Linux newbie I would be very interested in this course, however I live about 250km NW of Sydney. I don't suppose that such a course might be included in TAFE's OTEN in the future, allowing people away from Sydney or other major centres to study remotely? Probably a long shot. Brad I have plans for open access online courses. OTEN doesn't know yet but if I can get some help I think something might happen in the not too distant future. Have a look at gonzo.org.au Geoffrey -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 03:22:49PM +1000, Kevin Fitzgerald wrote: Sounds Awesome Geoffrey!! Hows the new course going? Kev The Younger one Very well, Gus Lees gave a great lesson last wednesday. btw for those who are committed on wednesdays---the LPI is likely to be on a thursday next year. Geoffrey -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
DE LUCA Ben wrote:
I would love to be able to find people competent in the administration
of NIS, samba, NFS and able to use tapes with tar etc, be competent in
shell scripting.
where is it and how much does it pay?
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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
Geoffrey Robertson wrote:
Educational Allies and other dudes,
A few TAFE people had a meeting yesterday in Sydney's west---we have
launched the process to creating some Linux Statement of Attainment
courses.
Is this going to be like other Statement of Attainment Courses at TAFE?
i.e. you do multiple subjects of your choice?
each about 3 hours/night for a semester is one subject?
Is it going to be stand alone from the MS window subject. e.g are you
going to networking from a linux viewpoint?
Okay, I think you need to add;
GUIs - from tvm, etc through to Gnome, KDE and others. Installation,
configuration. Can cover the whole X stuff.
Linux as a server - its role in ipx, netbios/netbieu TCP/IP. The whole
file, print,etc thing. Samba is just one part of it. I would suggest
Samab specialty as a follow on subject.
Databases - the usual
MTA's - yes sendmail because that is what is most used, but cover
others.
Printing - it requires a a subject to do it well. Start with the old
text printer, through lasers (PCL Postscript) through to colour, plus
HPGL, ghostscript, etc
Consider also flexible delivery on some subjects, away from talk and
chalk subjects.
Where is it going to be offered?
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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
Geoffrey Robertson wrote:
...snip
Statement of Attainment in Linux
Subjects:
o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours
Is this necessary? Doable by project work or RPL
I think 18 hours is way over the top.
What is being taught?
Posture
Desktop set up
Electrical safety
Shifting loads
Oh wait, does this include the obligatory first aid course?
That would account for the hours then.
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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
there's no more than 10 hours of ohs taught in any tafe course that
I can remember,
each hardware component of the network management course I'm
currently doing has an ohs component and afaik there was no more
than 5 hours per semester spent on it,
if I'm wtonf, I'll stand up and say I was so.
hth
Thus spake Terry Collins,
Geoffrey Robertson wrote:
...snip
Statement of Attainment in Linux
Subjects:
o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours
Is this necessary? Doable by project work or RPL
I think 18 hours is way over the top.
What is being taught?
Posture
Desktop set up
Electrical safety
Shifting loads
Oh wait, does this include the obligatory first aid course?
That would account for the hours then.
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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
quote who=Geoffrey Robertson Time for a securefest. The last one was pre iptables afair. Good call. Will add to committee agenda for this week. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ I am Jack's smoking gun. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
Geoffrey Robertson wrote:
...snip
These topics are covered in the LPI cert.
I suggest ignoring other course, especially given the propensity for
fashion following that has been in Linux for the last few years.
A TAFE statement means something because TAFE is a known quantity for a
lot of employers. LPI is just another wiz bang that has popped up (yes I
do know who/what it is so lets not start a thread on it) and it probably
equates to mail order degrees anyway.
And other subjects;
Scripting; shells, sed, awk, Perl ??? would be a different subjects.
Backups; from burning a file CD, to tape (tar, cpio, amanda, and
commercial (Bru, ??, Arkeia, ??).
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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
Shaun Oliver wrote:
there's no more than 10 hours of ohs taught in any tafe course that
I can remember,
As you said, you are doing an IT course.
I am working with something a bit more lethal at 6,000 degrees Celsius
Just be thankful that my wife isn't deciding the contents
first aid for the ram,
first aid for mice,
what do you do when people loose their memory?
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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
On Sunday 03 August 2003 07:12 pm, Geoffrey Robertson wrote: On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:59:24PM +1000, Perry, David J wrote: Looks good, Geoffrey, hopefully LPIC201/202 will be available next year. I'll see how my energy levels are next year :) when i was a kid growing up .. they say that a guiness and a coupla eggs works wonders .. or was that two guinesses and an egg ... or :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 09:05:07PM +1000, Terry Collins wrote:
Geoffrey Robertson wrote:
Educational Allies and other dudes,
A few TAFE people had a meeting yesterday in Sydney's west---we have
launched the process to creating some Linux Statement of Attainment
courses.
Is this going to be like other Statement of Attainment Courses at TAFE?
i.e. you do multiple subjects of your choice?
each about 3 hours/night for a semester is one subject?
Is it going to be stand alone from the MS window subject. e.g are you
going to networking from a linux viewpoint?
The OHS is the standard 18hr tafe coourse. You do it for welding,
you do it for bricklaying. CPR etc. Forgotten what.
The S of A is based around the subject Running Linux which is aimed at
computer literate folks who may do some Linux or are just begining.
This is the course I've been teaching for years.
Real beginners will need to preceed this subject with Linux Intro
I'm inventing this subject now.
Other subjects are tossed in as optional.
Okay, I think you need to add;
GUIs - from tvm, etc through to Gnome, KDE and others. Installation,
configuration. Can cover the whole X stuff.
Linux as a server - its role in ipx, netbios/netbieu TCP/IP. The whole
file, print,etc thing. Samba is just one part of it. I would suggest
Samab specialty as a follow on subject.
Databases - the usual
MTA's - yes sendmail because that is what is most used, but cover
others.
Printing - it requires a a subject to do it well. Start with the old
text printer, through lasers (PCL Postscript) through to colour, plus
HPGL, ghostscript, etc
Consider also flexible delivery on some subjects, away from talk and
chalk subjects.
Where is it going to be offered?
Granville tafe for a start then the world.
Geoffrey
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RE: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
Hi Geoffrey
Is there any indication of which TAFE colleges/institutes will
(eventually) offer this course? Do you think we'll see it run outside
of Granville, for those of us that live a little further afield.
cheers
Michael
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On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 09:05:07PM +1000, Terry Collins wrote:
Geoffrey Robertson wrote:
Educational Allies and other dudes,
A few TAFE people had a meeting yesterday in Sydney's west---we have
launched the process to creating some Linux Statement of Attainment
courses.
Is this going to be like other Statement of Attainment Courses at
TAFE?
i.e. you do multiple subjects of your choice?
each about 3 hours/night for a semester is one subject?
Is it going to be stand alone from the MS window subject. e.g are you
going to networking from a linux viewpoint?
The OHS is the standard 18hr tafe coourse. You do it for welding,
you do it for bricklaying. CPR etc. Forgotten what.
The S of A is based around the subject Running Linux which is aimed
at
computer literate folks who may do some Linux or are just begining.
This is the course I've been teaching for years.
Real beginners will need to preceed this subject with Linux Intro
I'm inventing this subject now.
Other subjects are tossed in as optional.
Okay, I think you need to add;
GUIs - from tvm, etc through to Gnome, KDE and others. Installation,
configuration. Can cover the whole X stuff.
Linux as a server - its role in ipx, netbios/netbieu TCP/IP. The
whole
file, print,etc thing. Samba is just one part of it. I would suggest
Samab specialty as a follow on subject.
Databases - the usual
MTA's - yes sendmail because that is what is most used, but cover
others.
Printing - it requires a a subject to do it well. Start with the old
text printer, through lasers (PCL Postscript) through to colour,
plus
HPGL, ghostscript, etc
Consider also flexible delivery on some subjects, away from talk and
chalk subjects.
Where is it going to be offered?
Granville tafe for a start then the world.
Geoffrey
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Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
As a Linux newbie I would be very interested in this course, however I live about 250km NW of Sydney. I don't suppose that such a course might be included in TAFE's OTEN in the future, allowing people away from Sydney or other major centres to study remotely? Probably a long shot. Brad On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:40:08 +1000, Geoffrey Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Educational Allies and other dudes, A few TAFE people had a meeting yesterday in Sydney's west---we have launched the process to creating some Linux Statement of Attainment courses. I think I'm right in saying these will be the first courses in Australia to offer an inexpensive ($150) open entry Linux specific qualification. They formalize the courses we have had running at Granville TAFE Electrical Engineering Dept. for a number of years. For your comment The courses: Statement of Attainment in Linux Subjects: o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours Is this necessary? Doable by project work or RPL o Introduction to Linux (72 hours) Easy Introduction for non technical people. 80% GUI 20% basic command line. Moms and Pops course. o Linux and MS Windows network Integration (72 hours) Easy Introduction to networking. 100% GUI Install and network a mix of OSs. Show how nearly everything that you can do with Linux can be done with a legacy commercial system. o Running Linux (72 hours) Introduction to Linux for computer literate people. Aimed at people studying Computer Science at other institutions, administrators of legacy commercial systems or any all those who have been running Linux somewhere and would like to fill in the gaps in their knowledge. o LAMP (72 hours) --- proposal only at this time For Linux literate people. Set up and configure Apache. Install and use a free database. Learn Perl / PHP / Python and create a Website with these tools. Flexable delivery roject based course? o TBA 72 hours Your idea goes here. Statement of Attainment in LPI Certification Level 1 o LPIC 101 Exam Preparation (72 hours) Entry requirement: Completed Running Linux or equiv. or RPL or LPIC 102 Exam Preparation This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for exam LPIC 101. o LPIC 102 Exam Preparation (72 hours) Entry requirement: Completed Running Linux or equiv. or RPL or LPIC 101 Exam Preparation This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for exam LPIC 102. Statement of Attainment in LPI Certification Level 2 o LPIC 201 Exam Preparation (72 hours) Entry requirement: LPIC 101 Exam Preparation and LPIC 102 Exam Preparationor LPIC Level 1 Certification. This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for exam LPIC 201. o LPIC 202 Exam Preparation (72 hours) Entry requirement: LPIC 101 Exam Preparation and LPIC 102 Exam Preparation or LPIC Level 1 Certification. This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for exam LPIC 202. Comments Geoffrey lcdp.sf.net -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 03:35:54PM +1000, Jon Biddell wrote: -= Sendmail's the last thing I think we should be handing to another -= generation of net.geeks. I don't care what we *do* give -= them, I just -= care that it -= *isn't* sendmail. -= -= I disagree. Everyone should be taught sendmail as an -= example of how not to write an MTA :-) I agree in principle, but how many organizations are there Out There that *are* running sendmail successfully, and don't see a need to change it ? I'd say a low count, compared to those for whom sendmail isn't working, or that it's kinda working but their Deep Magic person has left and so they can't maintain it. The problem with sendmail isn't that it's easy or hard to configure, it's that the magic[1] is wy too close to the surface. But this is going down the path of MTA advocacy, which can never do anyone any good. [1] I define magic as something that needs a guru to operate. If a regular person *can* learn how to operate it, it's not magic. I contend that sendmail routing syntax, especially, is magic. The mc files are fine as far as they go, but if they break, you're in very serious poop. - Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 15:14, Laurie Savage wrote: Flash!, Linux! please, how do you marry the two? Flash, DreamWeaver and a networked foxpro database remain my obstacles to a 100% Linux set up. http://macromedia.mplug.org/site_uh.html for flash. Which distro are you on? There's sources for mandrake, redhat and debian (and others) there so they can be automagically installed with urpmi or apt-get. I am told (note: I've not tried it because I simply can't stand Dreamweaver) that WINE will run dreamweaver. There's instructions here: http://frankscorner.org/ and this page: http://appdb.winehq.com/appview.php?appId=296 claims that foxpro runs too. Of course it's probably a little fiddly to get going, but it looks like there's hope. You might also want to look at the unixodbc stuff for accessing windows DBs accross the network. Alas I can't think of a dreamweaver replacement. I use vim :). HTH James. On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:06:24 +1000 Andar Broment [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about Multimedia in Linux? Configuring A/V Hardware, Music composition, Video Editing, Flash, etc? Not sure if it would fit in 72 hours though.. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- Laurie Savage Physics/Maths/IT Teacher Pascoe Vale Girls' College Pascoe Vale, Victoria, AUSTRALIA -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 11:40, Geoffrey Robertson wrote: Subjects: o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours Is this necessary? Doable by project work or RPL How do duck objects thrown by irate users when it does not work. Talk about loose cabling and trip hazards. open computers and static. Not working on powered equipment. Cabling to be left to professionals don't put it with power cables. o Introduction to Linux (72 hours) Easy Introduction for non technical people. 80% GUI 20% basic command line. Moms and Pops course. cool o Linux and MS Windows network Integration (72 hours) Easy Introduction to networking. 100% GUI Install and network a mix of OSs. Show how nearly everything that you can do with Linux can be done with a legacy commercial system. excellent o Running Linux (72 hours) Introduction to Linux for computer literate people. Aimed at people studying Computer Science at other institutions, administrators of legacy commercial systems or any all those who have been running Linux somewhere and would like to fill in the gaps in their knowledge. hmm an intense course then. o LAMP (72 hours) --- proposal only at this time For Linux literate people. Set up and configure Apache. Install and use a free database. Learn Perl / PHP / Python and create a Website with these tools. Flexable delivery roject based course? Focus on web delivery and call it something sexy. Developing for the electronic age. Do you cover: Javascript? CGI programming (base skill, not really used) mod_perl? o TBA 72 hours Your idea goes here. Open Source programming. How to find those libraries of tools. How to get involved. How to get your problems worked on. How to get help Advanced google and how to really get help High distinction: How to raise a bug with Microsft without paying. By practical only :-) Statement of Attainment in LPI Certification Level 1 o LPIC 101 Exam Preparation (72 hours) Entry requirement: Completed Running Linux or equiv. or RPL or LPIC 102 Exam Preparation This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for exam LPIC 101. o LPIC 102 Exam Preparation (72 hours) Entry requirement: Completed Running Linux or equiv. or RPL or LPIC 101 Exam Preparation This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for exam LPIC 102. Are you going to provide the tests here? Statement of Attainment in LPI Certification Level 2 o LPIC 201 Exam Preparation (72 hours) Entry requirement: LPIC 101 Exam Preparation and LPIC 102 Exam Preparationor LPIC Level 1 Certification. This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for exam LPIC 201. o LPIC 202 Exam Preparation (72 hours) Entry requirement: LPIC 101 Exam Preparation and LPIC 102 Exam Preparation or LPIC Level 1 Certification. This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for exam LPIC 202. -- Thanks KenF OpenOffice.org developer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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I agree in principle, but how many organizations are there Out There that *are* running sendmail successfully, and don't see a need to change it ? I run sendmail and don't feel any need to learn another MTA. I've learned three others, they've all died, sendmail is still going. -- Del -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:40:08 +1000 Geoffrey Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Statement of Attainment in Linux Subjects: o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours Is this necessary? Doable by project work or RPL I don't this is really necessary. I guess it's worth an hour or so, but really, if you're pulling hardware apart, I wouldn't call that working with Linux 18 hours! blimey. Do you have a another course like working with PCs that you put as a suggested companion course instead? Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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ya know, I do some of those tasks virtually blind folded, lol ok ok, so I saw the funny side of that statement. no pun intended of course, but I agree, some formal linux courses would be good. I want to know however, would tthere be concessions for blind people like myself to be able to use a speakup enabled kernel image? and as gnopernicus isn't ready for prime time yet, would the doing of most if not all tasks from the command line be acceptable? I mean there isn't something in the gui that can't be done via the cli, just my 2 cents worth, -- Shaun Oliver Becareful of the toes u step on today, they maybe connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow! EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO: blindman01_2000 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: captain nemo 200 IRC: irc.awesomechat.net: IRCNICK: blindman CHANNELS: #awesomeradio #mircpopup-magic #linux #help #ourworld #audiofile #mauisun -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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sorry guys but yeah I agree put sendmail in there to these poor fools understand that using m4 just to config an mta is a pain in the arse. forget postfix, exim rules!!! Thus spake John Clarke, On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:50:33PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: Sendmail's the last thing I think we should be handing to another generation of net.geeks. I don't care what we *do* give them, I just care that it *isn't* sendmail. I disagree. Everyone should be taught sendmail as an example of how not to write an MTA :-) Cheers, John (a recent convert from sendmail to postfix) -- Either too much or not enough drugs... Hands up, everyone who thought sendmail.cf. -- Adam J. Thornton -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- Shaun Oliver Becareful of the toes u step on today, they maybe connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow! EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO: blindman01_2000 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: captain nemo 200 IRC: irc.awesomechat.net: IRCNICK: blindman CHANNELS: #awesomeradio #mircpopup-magic #linux #help #ourworld #audiofile #mauisun -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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On 1 Aug 2003, Ken Foskey wrote: Not working on powered equipment. Even better, remove the power cord. - James -- James Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 12:20:38AM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote: ya know, I do some of those tasks virtually blind folded, lol ok ok, so I saw the funny side of that statement. no pun intended of course, but I agree, some formal linux courses would be good. I want to know however, would tthere be concessions for blind people like myself to be able to use a speakup enabled kernel image? I have nothing to do with the courses, so I can't comment on what will actually happen, but I'd presume that assuming you could fulfill the stated objectives of the subjects, you could negotiate something with the TAFE. One of the things Universities have (and I think TAFE has something similar) is that if you are unable to complete the regular curriculum for whatever reason, they have to work with you to find some other reasonable means to allow you to satisfy the requirements. I guess reasonable wouldn't cover, say, a quadruplegic who wanted to get a brickie's trade cert, but certainly using a text-to-speech gateway and doing more of the tasks on the command line should pass (IMO). and as gnopernicus isn't ready for prime time yet, would the doing of most if not all tasks from the command line be acceptable? I mean there isn't something in the gui that can't be done via the cli, I've always found it a royal pain to edit images with only a keyboard, but I'm well aware that it can be done. I'm pretty sure there's none of that in these courses (although there might be). For the LPI courses, though, you will have a major problem - last time I looked the tests had to be taken using some Windows software installed at a testing centre. Odds-on it's not (a) text-to-speech enabled, and (b) bloody difficult to use without a mouse. Looks like you'll need a helper for those. - Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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hi there, currently I'm undertaking the certificate 4 network management at the western sydney institute of tafe, and I've fo9und tafe from cso's to head teachers to disabilities coordinators and the like to be most helpful. my note taker, is indeed allowed to move the mouse for me if something is inaccessable as I found out in my first semester. anyways, that's just to backup what you said below matt. Thus spake Matthew Palmer, On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 12:20:38AM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote: ya know, I do some of those tasks virtually blind folded, lol ok ok, so I saw the funny side of that statement. no pun intended of course, but I agree, some formal linux courses would be good. I want to know however, would tthere be concessions for blind people like myself to be able to use a speakup enabled kernel image? I have nothing to do with the courses, so I can't comment on what will actually happen, but I'd presume that assuming you could fulfill the stated objectives of the subjects, you could negotiate something with the TAFE. One of the things Universities have (and I think TAFE has something similar) is that if you are unable to complete the regular curriculum for whatever reason, they have to work with you to find some other reasonable means to allow you to satisfy the requirements. I guess reasonable wouldn't cover, say, a quadruplegic who wanted to get a brickie's trade cert, but certainly using a text-to-speech gateway and doing more of the tasks on the command line should pass (IMO). and as gnopernicus isn't ready for prime time yet, would the doing of most if not all tasks from the command line be acceptable? I mean there isn't something in the gui that can't be done via the cli, I've always found it a royal pain to edit images with only a keyboard, but I'm well aware that it can be done. I'm pretty sure there's none of that in these courses (although there might be). For the LPI courses, though, you will have a major problem - last time I looked the tests had to be taken using some Windows software installed at a testing centre. Odds-on it's not (a) text-to-speech enabled, and (b) bloody difficult to use without a mouse. Looks like you'll need a helper for those. - Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- Shaun Oliver Becareful of the toes u step on today, they maybe connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow! EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO: blindman01_2000 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: captain nemo 200 IRC: irc.awesomechat.net: IRCNICK: blindman CHANNELS: #awesomeradio #mircpopup-magic #linux #help #ourworld #audiofile #mauisun -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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I run sendmail and don't feel any need to learn another MTA. I've learned three others, they've all died, sendmail is still going. Very brave. My only beef with sendmail is that it is usually full of holes. Every where I have worked we have either implemented qmail or postfix both MTAs that are very secure and going strong. Though my choice out of the two is postfix. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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I would love to be able to find people competent in the administration of NIS, samba, NFS and able to use tapes with tar etc, be competent in shell scripting. There seems to be such an emphases of linux as a webserver compared to other tasks. On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 11:40, Geoffrey Robertson wrote: Educational Allies and other dudes, A few TAFE people had a meeting yesterday in Sydney's west---we have launched the process to creating some Linux Statement of Attainment courses. I think I'm right in saying these will be the first courses in Australia to offer an inexpensive ($150) open entry Linux specific qualification. They formalize the courses we have had running at Granville TAFE Electrical Engineering Dept. for a number of years. For your comment The courses: Statement of Attainment in Linux Subjects: o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours Is this necessary? Doable by project work or RPL o Introduction to Linux (72 hours) Easy Introduction for non technical people. 80% GUI 20% basic command line. Moms and Pops course. o Linux and MS Windows network Integration (72 hours) Easy Introduction to networking. 100% GUI Install and network a mix of OSs. Show how nearly everything that you can do with Linux can be done with a legacy commercial system. o Running Linux (72 hours) Introduction to Linux for computer literate people. Aimed at people studying Computer Science at other institutions, administrators of legacy commercial systems or any all those who have been running Linux somewhere and would like to fill in the gaps in their knowledge. o LAMP (72 hours) --- proposal only at this time For Linux literate people. Set up and configure Apache. Install and use a free database. Learn Perl / PHP / Python and create a Website with these tools. Flexable delivery roject based course? o TBA 72 hours Your idea goes here. Statement of Attainment in LPI Certification Level 1 o LPIC 101 Exam Preparation (72 hours) Entry requirement: Completed Running Linux or equiv. or RPL or LPIC 102 Exam Preparation This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for exam LPIC 101. o LPIC 102 Exam Preparation (72 hours) Entry requirement: Completed Running Linux or equiv. or RPL or LPIC 101 Exam Preparation This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for exam LPIC 102. Statement of Attainment in LPI Certification Level 2 o LPIC 201 Exam Preparation (72 hours) Entry requirement: LPIC 101 Exam Preparation and LPIC 102 Exam Preparationor LPIC Level 1 Certification. This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for exam LPIC 201. o LPIC 202 Exam Preparation (72 hours) Entry requirement: LPIC 101 Exam Preparation and LPIC 102 Exam Preparation or LPIC Level 1 Certification. This subject follows the detailed objectives published by LPI for exam LPIC 202. Comments Geoffrey lcdp.sf.net -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
- Original Message - From: Geoffrey Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux Educational Allies and other dudes, A few TAFE people had a meeting yesterday in Sydney's west---we have launched the process to creating some Linux Statement of Attainment courses. I think I'm right in saying these will be the first courses in Australia to offer an inexpensive ($150) open entry Linux specific qualification. They formalize the courses we have had running at Granville TAFE Electrical Engineering Dept. for a number of years. For your comment The courses: Statement of Attainment in Linux Subjects: o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours Is this necessary? Doable by project work or RPL o Introduction to Linux (72 hours) Easy Introduction for non technical people. 80% GUI 20% basic command line. Moms and Pops course. o Linux and MS Windows network Integration (72 hours) Easy Introduction to networking. 100% GUI Install and network a mix of OSs. Show how nearly everything that you can do with Linux can be done with a legacy commercial system. o Running Linux (72 hours) Introduction to Linux for computer literate people. Aimed at people studying Computer Science at other institutions, administrators of legacy commercial systems or any all those who have been running Linux somewhere and would like to fill in the gaps in their knowledge. o LAMP (72 hours) --- proposal only at this time For Linux literate people. Set up and configure Apache. Install and use a free database. Learn Perl / PHP / Python and create a Website with these tools. Flexable delivery roject based course? o TBA 72 hours Your idea goes here. snip, yet again What about Multimedia in Linux? Configuring A/V Hardware, Music composition, Video Editing, Flash, etc? Not sure if it would fit in 72 hours though.. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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Like I said. Video editing, etc. I watch DVDs with Xine too. I find that converting DVDs to divx/xvid is a little Faster under linux, though it's slightly more work. Muskie - Original Message - From: DE LUCA Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andar Broment [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux you do AV in linux? what sorts of things do you do? On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 14:06, Andar Broment wrote: - Original Message - From: Geoffrey Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux Educational Allies and other dudes, A few TAFE people had a meeting yesterday in Sydney's west---we have launched the process to creating some Linux Statement of Attainment courses. I think I'm right in saying these will be the first courses in Australia to offer an inexpensive ($150) open entry Linux specific qualification. They formalize the courses we have had running at Granville TAFE Electrical Engineering Dept. for a number of years. For your comment The courses: Statement of Attainment in Linux Subjects: o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours Is this necessary? Doable by project work or RPL o Introduction to Linux (72 hours) Easy Introduction for non technical people. 80% GUI 20% basic command line. Moms and Pops course. o Linux and MS Windows network Integration (72 hours) Easy Introduction to networking. 100% GUI Install and network a mix of OSs. Show how nearly everything that you can do with Linux can be done with a legacy commercial system. o Running Linux (72 hours) Introduction to Linux for computer literate people. Aimed at people studying Computer Science at other institutions, administrators of legacy commercial systems or any all those who have been running Linux somewhere and would like to fill in the gaps in their knowledge. o LAMP (72 hours) --- proposal only at this time For Linux literate people. Set up and configure Apache. Install and use a free database. Learn Perl / PHP / Python and create a Website with these tools. Flexable delivery roject based course? o TBA 72 hours Your idea goes here. snip, yet again What about Multimedia in Linux? Configuring A/V Hardware, Music composition, Video Editing, Flash, etc? Not sure if it would fit in 72 hours though.. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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This is an excellent step forward. It's great that the TAFE is starting with the basics in Linux. I would like to see how many people sign up for this course. Also what TAFEs would this appear in? Statement of Attainment in Linux Subjects: o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours Is this necessary? Doable by project work or RPL o Introduction to Linux (72 hours) Easy Introduction for non technical people. 80% GUI 20% basic command line. Moms and Pops course. o Linux and MS Windows network Integration (72 hours) Easy Introduction to networking. 100% GUI Install and network a mix of OSs. Show how nearly everything that you can do with Linux can be done with a legacy commercial system. o Running Linux (72 hours) Introduction to Linux for computer literate people. Aimed at people studying Computer Science at other institutions, administrators of legacy commercial systems or any all those who have been running Linux somewhere and would like to fill in the gaps in their knowledge. o LAMP (72 hours) --- proposal only at this time For Linux literate people. Set up and configure Apache. Install and use a free database. Learn Perl / PHP / Python and create a Website with these tools. Flexable delivery roject based course? o TBA 72 hours Your idea goes here. snip, yet again -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:04:39PM +1000, DE LUCA Ben wrote: I would love to be able to find people competent in the administration of NIS, samba, NFS and able to use tapes with tar etc, be competent in shell scripting. There's no real shortage of them. Apart from the NIS requirement (shudder) I could do all of those blindfolded. s/NIS/LDAP/ and you're away. There seems to be such an emphases of linux as a webserver compared to other tasks. I think that's because a webserver is something easily pointed to as a service. Most people know that web pages come from webservers. User information and authentication services are slightly more esoteric... - Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 11:40:08AM +1000, Geoffrey Robertson wrote: Statement of Attainment in Linux Subjects: o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours Is this necessary? Doable by project work or RPL From my understanding, basically every TAFE course has OHS components in it, because every job listing has knowledge of EEO and OHS requirements - at least, every job my fiancee has looked at lately seems to have it. o LAMP (72 hours) --- proposal only at this time For Linux literate people. Set up and configure Apache. Install and use a free database. Learn Perl / PHP / Python and create a Website with these tools. Flexable delivery roject based course? I'd move it from proposal to definite. o TBA 72 hours Your idea goes here. So much to choose from. More scripting work, maybe some simple SA tasks (backups, user administration, etc), LDAP, other network services (DNS, mail, squid, etc). - Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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-= Subjects: -= o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours -= Is this necessary? Doable by project work or RPL -= -= From my understanding, basically every TAFE course has -= OHS components -= in -= it, because every job listing has knowledge of EEO and -= OHS requirements - at least, every job my fiancee has -= looked at lately seems to have it. If she's looking at Government jobs, the standard answers are available on the web for this...:-) -= o TBA 72 hours -= Your idea goes here. Email setup (sendmail, procmail, fetchmail primarily), Samba integration with Evilware clients -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:44:28PM +1000, Jon Biddell wrote: -= it, because every job listing has knowledge of EEO and -= OHS requirements - at least, every job my fiancee has -= looked at lately seems to have it. If she's looking at Government jobs, the standard answers are available on the web for this...:-) We've already got the stock answers on hand. Local gov't jobs, mostly (librarian). -= o TBA 72 hours -= Your idea goes here. Email setup (sendmail, procmail, fetchmail primarily), Samba integration with Evilware clients s/sendmail/MTA/ Sendmail's the last thing I think we should be handing to another generation of net.geeks. I don't care what we *do* give them, I just care that it *isn't* sendmail. As for the Samba stuff, I think that was covered in an earlier proposed module. - Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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Flash!, Linux! please, how do you marry the two? Flash, DreamWeaver and a networked foxpro database remain my obstacles to a 100% Linux set up. On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:06:24 +1000 Andar Broment [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about Multimedia in Linux? Configuring A/V Hardware, Music composition, Video Editing, Flash, etc? Not sure if it would fit in 72 hours though.. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- Laurie Savage Physics/Maths/IT Teacher Pascoe Vale Girls' College Pascoe Vale, Victoria, AUSTRALIA -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:50:33PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: Sendmail's the last thing I think we should be handing to another generation of net.geeks. I don't care what we *do* give them, I just care that it *isn't* sendmail. I disagree. Everyone should be taught sendmail as an example of how not to write an MTA :-) Cheers, John (a recent convert from sendmail to postfix) -- Either too much or not enough drugs... Hands up, everyone who thought sendmail.cf. -- Adam J. Thornton -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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-= Sendmail's the last thing I think we should be handing to another -= generation of net.geeks. I don't care what we *do* give -= them, I just -= care that it -= *isn't* sendmail. -= -= I disagree. Everyone should be taught sendmail as an -= example of how not to write an MTA :-) I agree in principle, but how many organizations are there Out There that *are* running sendmail successfully, and don't see a need to change it ? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
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On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 03:19:06PM +1000, John Clarke wrote: On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:50:33PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: Sendmail's the last thing I think we should be handing to another generation of net.geeks. I don't care what we *do* give them, I just care that it *isn't* sendmail. I disagree. Everyone should be taught sendmail as an example of how not to write an MTA :-) We came here to bury sendmail, not to praise it. - Matt (A sendmail.cf guru turned exim nut) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
