Re: [SLUG] linux on ibook
My question is has anyone compared YDL with a debianPPC install and what kind of results did you get? At heart I am a great debian fan, I run debian on my PC at work... Tried YDL, deb stable, testing, unstable and mandrake. I'm new to debian so I had problems with the install - wireless card was not detected, the X11 is older, so no acceleration, took a while to get sound working with ALSA (need alsa for timidity). got everything working with the unstable version though.all of these are issues are related to my experience with debian however. It seemed to me that mandrake was more bleeding edge, everything was detected, there was a benh10 kernel with the install disk and the mandrake club dounloads had the latest version. With the ibook, bleeding edge was my main consideration. YDL was easy to install, very similar to Redhat but prefer mandrake. P.S. I've installed deb on a normal pc as I would like to get more familiar with it. Regards, Mehmet -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] linux on ibook
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:25:27 +0800 Adam Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I got myself an ibook about 6 or 7 weeks ago and although originally I was thinking why would anyone want to install linux in this when OS X is so cool, and you can run X11 with Fink?...I am beginning to feel myself being slowly drawn to install linux on it, like a fly to a bug zapper...its so mesmorizing... He, he, he, ... My question is has anyone compared YDL with a debianPPC install and what kind of results did you get? At heart I am a great debian fan, I run debian on my PC at work, my two servers at home and my desktop at home (although not for long...I need my games :( )...but the though of installing a distro that was made for my ibook has me interested (that and the fact that it comes with apt-rpm installed and configured by default aparently)... Haven't tried YDL but like you I was a committed Debian user long before I got my iBook. For me, there was simply no good reason to try anything other than Debian. Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yes it's valid) +---+ Perl : this is a blue collar language - Angus Lees -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] linux on ibook
The main items I see with running a dual boot system (if that's what you are thinking of doing) are: Do you want to transfer software between the two systems? If so, I think you need to create a small partition specifically for the transfers. MacOS X can't read EXT3 and I'm not sure if Linux can read HFS(?sp?) properly. There seem to be some issues with Debian's power management. This is probably not an issue with the desktop Apple models, but may still be an issue with the laptops. The initialisation sequence for Debian X11 on the LCD occasionally goes awry. The standard fix is to shut down X11 and restart it. If you are doing a dual boot, the MacOS X major system upgrades can sometimes confuse themselves and you may have to re-install Linux afterwards. Just keep everything backed up somewhere. Other than that it looks very good and performs well (on the Tibook). Cheers, Jill. -Original Message- From: Adam Hewitt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2003 11:25 AM To: PLUG Cc: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] linux on ibook Hi All, I got myself an ibook about 6 or 7 weeks ago and although originally I was thinking why would anyone want to install linux in this when OS X is so cool, and you can run X11 with Fink?...I am beginning to feel myself being slowly drawn to install linux on it, like a fly to a bug zapper...its so mesmorizing... My question is has anyone compared YDL with a debianPPC install and what kind of results did you get? At heart I am a great debian fan, I run debian on my PC at work, my two servers at home and my desktop at home (although not for long...I need my games :( )...but the though of installing a distro that was made for my ibook has me interested (that and the fact that it comes with apt-rpm installed and configured by default aparently)... Any comments? Adam. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- IMPORTANT NOTICES This email (including any documents referred to in, or attached, to this email) may contain information that is personal, confidential or the subject of copyright or other proprietary rights in favour of Aristocrat, its affiliates or third parties. This email is intended only for the named addressee. Any privacy, confidence, copyright or other proprietary rights in favour of Aristocrat, its affiliates or third parties, is not lost because this email was sent to you by mistake. If you received this email by mistake you should: (i) not copy, disclose, distribute or otherwise use it, or its contents, without the consent of Aristocrat or the owner of the relevant rights; (ii) let us know of the mistake by reply email or by telephone (+61 2 9413 6300); and (iii) delete it from your system and destroy all copies. Any personal information contained in this email must be handled in accordance with applicable privacy laws. Electronic and internet communications can be interfered with or affected by viruses and other defects. As a result, such communications may not be successfully received or, if received, may cause interference with the integrity of receiving, processing or related systems (including hardware, software and data or information on, or using, that hardware or software). Aristocrat gives no assurances in relation to these matters. If you have any doubts about the veracity or integrity of any electronic communication we appear to have sent you, please call +61 2 9413 6300 for clarification. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] linux on ibook
quote who=Adam Hewitt I got myself an ibook about 6 or 7 weeks ago and although originally I was thinking why would anyone want to install linux in this when OS X is so cool, and you can run X11 with Fink?...I am beginning to feel myself being slowly drawn to install linux on it, like a fly to a bug zapper...its so mesmorizing... My question is has anyone compared YDL with a debianPPC install and what kind of results did you get? At heart I am a great debian fan, I run debian on my PC at work, my two servers at home and my desktop at home (although not for long...I need my games :( )...but the though of installing a distro that was made for my ibook has me interested (that and the fact that it comes with apt-rpm installed and configured by default aparently)... If you're already a Debian user, you'll almost certainly come back to it after trying YDL. Not because YDL is a bad distro - it's essentially Red Hat for PPC, and customised really nicely to the Apple hardware range - but you get used to the sheer breadth and depth of binary packages available for Debian; no need to rebuild lots of things from src.rpms... I recently helped a friend through the process of getting his iBook, using Mac OS X, then Mac OS X with Fink, then dual booting with YDL, then dual booting with Debian, then scratching OS X to run Debian with Mac-on-Linux. Now he's happy. :-) It's so much nicer running Free Software on a Free OS. ;-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ Broken hearts rarely come with Some Assembly Required stickers. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] linux on ibook
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: snip Any comments? I'm running yellowdog linux on my ibook which I got a couple of months ago. Getting the graphics card working with the version of X in debian at the moment (xfree4.2) requires some work, whereas with yellowdog it was a put the cd in, click a couple of times and you're up and running kind of thing. I still plan on getting debian running (reasons below), but I might wait for xfree 4.3 to make it's way into sarge. Yellowdog is fine (it's basically just redhat rebadged for PPC). It's full of pointy clicky goodness, it supports all the hardware out of the box (I think the tv out might not work, never tried it though), it has quite a lot of up to date software distributed with it, it looks pretty polished. The installation was flawless, the only thing I had to do was switch on acceleration for the video card (which again was clicking a box, very easy). Has apt-rpm, mac- on-linux, lot's of groovy stuff. Basically it's like all the commerical linux offerings now, very polished and pretty easy to install. The only iritation I've had with YDL is getting packages. apt-rpm is fine, but if the packages don't exist then it's not that useful (not that this has happened a lot, the majority of things are available). I've actually had to install a couple of things from source again which after using debian for awhile is really annoying :) Not YDL's problem though really, just smaller user base, and people like me complaining rather than packaging software. Cheers...Steve. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] linux on ibook
This one time, at band camp, Rowling, Jill wrote: Do you want to transfer software between the two systems? If so, I think you need to create a small partition specifically for the transfers. MacOS X can't read EXT3 and I'm not sure if Linux can read HFS(?sp?) properly. There's been a lot of development recently for HFS+ support, and now Benjamin Herrenschmidt's kernel tree has support for HFS+ filesystems, though it's said that write support may break your HFS+ journal. It certainly can read from the fs though. There seem to be some issues with Debian's power management. This is probably not an issue with the desktop Apple models, but may still be an issue with the laptops. The initialisation sequence for Debian X11 on the LCD occasionally goes awry. The standard fix is to shut down X11 and restart it. I'm running 2.4.22-ben1 on my tibook IV and the power management and LCD support is great, I've not seen any of these problems. I've also just gotten the DVI out working brilliantly (though not perfect) just in time for my presentation tomorrow night. There's a massive userbase on the debian-powerpc mailing list, and though there's certainly a few YDL and other ppc distro users on there, the core powermac kernel developer and the powermac radeon X hacker are Debian users, which may sway your decision ;-) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] linux on ibook
Adam Hewitt wrote: I got myself an ibook about 6 or 7 weeks ago and although originally I was thinking why would anyone want to install linux in this when OS X is so cool, and you can run X11 with Fink?...I am beginning to feel myself being slowly drawn to install linux on it, like a fly to a bug zapper...its so mesmorizing... I have OSX and Debian/GNU running on my TiPowerBook. The OSX is all very nice and flashy (what you call cool) but it is sometimes irksome and Debian with a nice window manager and X11 is actually more functional. OSX Irks: * Apple's X11 is not integrated well with the rest of OSX. When fire it up the path is not set properly within OSX and some apps under X11 cant find other apps that they need to call. E.g. xfig can't import eps figs as it cant find ghostscript to rasterise the eps file. gs is there but xfig cant find it. * There are many window operations with no keyboard shortcuts even with with disability access enabled. * There are no multiple or virtual desktops. * Xdvi is poor on OSX. * There is no firewall yet from Apple but you can get 3rd party ones. E.g. to restrict ftp or http access to your box you uncheck the ftp and http boxes in Apples firewall gui. What does it do? Set up some rules and block incoming on http port? Nope. It simply terminates the ftp and http server so you cant then browse local documentation using a web browser! Duh. OSX Pros: * I like having the OSX available as I know that the application to connect to a projector and video sync to it for giving presentations will always work but in Linux its more problematic. (I use a common DOS partition to swap files) * One can *browse* Windows networks quite easily from OSX and mount Windows shares. * Quicktime on an OSX desktop is very nice. My question is has anyone compared YDL with a debianPPC install and what kind of results did you get? At heart I am a great debian fan, Debian has excellent support for the ibook. Subscribe to the debian-ppc mailing list. I havent tried YDL. Mike UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
