Re: Future of an Open Phone - Diner at FSOSHRUDCON
Hello, So we discussed some of this stuff on IRC with Stefan, on the 2nd of April. Sorry, to not have written this mail before, I'm kinda busy these weeks. It seems we did aggree to let the dinner stay informal. Rather we would like to split the saturday afternoon, as it appears obvious that we won't do code extensively. So if people here are OK, let's split the afternoon in two: - 2h or 2h30 to discuss collaboratively about the future of an open phone - 3h30 or 4h00 to have a hardware workshop and a design workshop in parallel. One question is would we like the discussion to happen before the workshops or the contrary. We must think of this based on tiredness of people. So for me the discussion should happen first. I think we should track some design subjects now before the convention happens. And also the talks in the morning may have oriented also the way we design as the goaled architectures of FSO and SHR might be clearer for everybody. I'll write a dedicated mail for the talks. Best regards, Didier. Stefan Schmidt wrote: Hello. On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 20:05, Didier Ptitjes wrote: Stefan Schmidt wrote: I changed the normal dine on saturday to the catchy name Future of an Open Phone - Diner. Question we like to discuss there are less in the area of middleware and application, the whole conf is about it, but about openess of mobile phones on a hardware/kernel/business level. What does Openmoko offer us? What alternatives are available? For which phones there are reverse-engineering projects out there? What is the status of them? Does they make sense? Any other vendor coming out with open phones? Develop a new one? Strangely, this is the kind of things I would have liked to discuss more extensively during the saturday afternoon. No problem for me. You must understand that I don't think coding in an afternoon. I don't like coding run because most of the time this lead to things to rewrite. I would be ok for collaborative design, but I'm quite sure I won't code anything. In fact, I code enough during the year and having the opportunity to meet you all I don't want to be in front of my screen. As I understood it, Ainulindale may be of my opinion. The workshop I like to see there are also not about doing monkey work coding. I was thinking about working in a group on some ideas which often would include some coding for demo purpose, etc. Hardware workshoping is ok for me because hardware moding needs to be made along to competent people and this is the opportunity. I'm wondering how much hardware workshops we will really have. Buzz fixing is more a offer then a real workshop. Y-Cable would be one. Anything else? In place of coding, I would have been glad if we could have some discussions or collaborative design. Yeah, that is the same here. We should use the time we spent together wisely. That brings me to the program. Do we have someone volunteering getting some speakers and a schedule up? No need to plan every detail, but one person in charge for the coordination would be good imho. This and more is likely to be discussed. Location is unknown yet. Depending on the number of interested people we should search for a suiting location. Do you mean a restaurant ? Really I would have tought we would do a barbecue friendshiply and surely we would talk of the future of an open phone (as we may do all the weekend) but also of other things but without any formality, thus not in group, but enabling people moving from one to another. Restaurant is not a must. Barbecue would be nice if the weather is good. What I like to see is a date and place where the people could sit together and talk about it. Not between two other chats, peopling singing, people come and go every minute and you have to repeat things, etc. I truly believe that you need some sort of good setting around you to get something done. Personally I hope we get some things sorted out this weekend and plan for the future. I would be sad when everything we got done was to know the faces of the other people and drunk beer. But hey, I know other people often feel that I make things overcomplicate and overplan stuff. I can step back, it's not easy but also not a big deal. regards Stefan Schmidt ___ smartphones-standards mailing list smartphones-standards@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-standards ___ smartphones-standards mailing list smartphones-standards@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-standards
Re: Future of an Open Phone - Diner at FSOSHRUDCON
Thanks Stefan for professionalizing this! I'm also rather overorganized than underorganized, so please continue. Regarding the program, I'm in for one talk covering freesmartphone.org -- Past, Present, Future Rough outline: * From the iPaq to the Neo (6 years of struggeling for open hardware) * What application developers want * The state of things * Plans for the future Cheers, :M: ___ smartphones-standards mailing list smartphones-standards@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-standards
Future of an Open Phone - Diner at FSOSHRUDCON
Hello. I changed the normal dine on saturday to the catchy name Future of an Open Phone - Diner. Question we like to discuss there are less in the area of middleware and application, the whole conf is about it, but about openess of mobile phones on a hardware/kernel/business level. What does Openmoko offer us? What alternatives are available? For which phones there are reverse-engineering projects out there? What is the status of them? Does they make sense? Any other vendor coming out with open phones? Develop a new one? This and more is likely to be discussed. Location is unknown yet. Depending on the number of interested people we should search for a suiting location. regards Stefan Schmidt ___ smartphones-standards mailing list smartphones-standards@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-standards
Re: Future of an Open Phone - Diner at FSOSHRUDCON
Hi, this is a great idea. I am very much interested in such a talk. Count me in for sure. Onen Stefan Schmidt wrote: Hello. I changed the normal dine on saturday to the catchy name Future of an Open Phone - Diner. Question we like to discuss there are less in the area of middleware and application, the whole conf is about it, but about openess of mobile phones on a hardware/kernel/business level. What does Openmoko offer us? What alternatives are available? For which phones there are reverse-engineering projects out there? What is the status of them? Does they make sense? Any other vendor coming out with open phones? Develop a new one? This and more is likely to be discussed. Location is unknown yet. Depending on the number of interested people we should search for a suiting location. regards Stefan Schmidt ___ smartphones-standards mailing list smartphones-standards@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-standards ___ smartphones-standards mailing list smartphones-standards@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-standards
Re: Future of an Open Phone - Diner at FSOSHRUDCON
Hello Stefan, Stefan Schmidt wrote: I changed the normal dine on saturday to the catchy name Future of an Open Phone - Diner. Question we like to discuss there are less in the area of middleware and application, the whole conf is about it, but about openess of mobile phones on a hardware/kernel/business level. What does Openmoko offer us? What alternatives are available? For which phones there are reverse-engineering projects out there? What is the status of them? Does they make sense? Any other vendor coming out with open phones? Develop a new one? Strangely, this is the kind of things I would have liked to discuss more extensively during the saturday afternoon. You must understand that I don't think coding in an afternoon. I don't like coding run because most of the time this lead to things to rewrite. I would be ok for collaborative design, but I'm quite sure I won't code anything. In fact, I code enough during the year and having the opportunity to meet you all I don't want to be in front of my screen. As I understood it, Ainulindale may be of my opinion. Hardware workshoping is ok for me because hardware moding needs to be made along to competent people and this is the opportunity. In place of coding, I would have been glad if we could have some discussions or collaborative design. This and more is likely to be discussed. Location is unknown yet. Depending on the number of interested people we should search for a suiting location. Do you mean a restaurant ? Really I would have tought we would do a barbecue friendshiply and surely we would talk of the future of an open phone (as we may do all the weekend) but also of other things but without any formality, thus not in group, but enabling people moving from one to another. Didier. inline: fsoshr09-little.png___ smartphones-standards mailing list smartphones-standards@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-standards
