Hello,
So we discussed some of this stuff on IRC with Stefan, on the 2nd of
April. Sorry, to not have written this mail before, I'm kinda busy these
weeks.
It seems we did aggree to let the dinner stay informal. Rather we would
like to split the saturday afternoon, as it appears obvious that we
won't do code extensively.
So if people here are OK, let's split the afternoon in two:
- 2h or 2h30 to discuss collaboratively about the future of an open phone
- 3h30 or 4h00 to have a hardware workshop and a design workshop in
parallel.
One question is would we like the discussion to happen before the
workshops or the contrary. We must think of this based on tiredness of
people. So for me the discussion should happen first.
I think we should track some design subjects now before the convention
happens. And also the talks in the morning may have oriented also the
way we design as the goaled architectures of FSO and SHR might be
clearer for everybody.
I'll write a dedicated mail for the talks.
Best regards,
Didier.
Stefan Schmidt wrote:
Hello.
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 20:05, Didier Ptitjes wrote:
Stefan Schmidt wrote:
I changed the normal dine on saturday to the catchy name "Future of an Open
Phone - Diner".
Question we like to discuss there are less in the area of middleware and
application, the whole conf is about it, but about openess of mobile phones on a
hardware/kernel/business level.
What does Openmoko offer us? What alternatives are available? For which phones
there are reverse-engineering projects out there? What is the status of them?
Does they make sense? Any other vendor coming out with open phones? Develop a
new one?
Strangely, this is the kind of things I would have liked to discuss more
extensively during the saturday afternoon.
No problem for me.
You must understand that I don't think coding in an afternoon. I don't
like coding run because most of the time this lead to things to rewrite.
I would be ok for collaborative design, but I'm quite sure I won't code
anything.
In fact, I code enough during the year and having the opportunity to
meet you all I don't want to be in front of my screen. As I understood
it, Ainulindale may be of my opinion.
The workshop I like to see there are also not about doing monkey work coding. I
was thinking about working in a group on some ideas which often would include
some coding for demo purpose, etc.
Hardware workshoping is ok for me because hardware moding needs to be
made along to competent people and this is the opportunity.
I'm wondering how much hardware workshops we will really have. Buzz fixing is
more a offer then a real workshop. Y-Cable would be one. Anything else?
In place of coding, I would have been glad if we could have some
discussions or collaborative design.
Yeah, that is the same here. We should use the time we spent together wisely.
That brings me to the program. Do we have someone volunteering getting some
speakers and a schedule up? No need to plan every detail, but one person in
charge for the coordination would be good imho.
This and more is likely to be discussed. Location is unknown yet. Depending on
the number of interested people we should search for a suiting location.
Do you mean a restaurant ? Really I would have tought we would do a
barbecue friendshiply and surely we would talk of the future of an open
phone (as we may do all the weekend) but also of other things but
without any formality, thus not in group, but enabling people moving
from one to another.
Restaurant is not a must. Barbecue would be nice if the weather is good.
What I like to see is a date and place where the people could sit together and
talk about it. Not between two other chats, peopling singing, people come and go
every minute and you have to repeat things, etc. I truly believe that you need
some sort of good setting around you to get something done. Personally I hope we
get some things sorted out this weekend and plan for the future. I would be sad
when everything we got done was to know the faces of the other people and drunk
beer.
But hey, I know other people often feel that I make things overcomplicate and
overplan stuff. I can step back, it's not easy but also not a big deal.
regards
Stefan Schmidt
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