[RCSE] Fwd: Corrected Link - 2008 OVSS Schedule-Sponsored by JR Radio
Am not sure that this made it to the exchange, but this is the link for the schedule thanks to Gordy. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82highlight=ovss+schedule RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Guess What I Found Hiding in a Corner on RC Groups...2.4 Carbon Fuse Solution!
Seems like the answer was the same as the 72mhz solution...but the exiting wires are critical in length and location. 31mm. and the attachment for the extensions is not soldered, its just shrinktubed along side the JR/Spectrum RX whiskers. Also the location of the exiting whiskers (antennae) is critical also, keep the phrase line of sight in mind when you do your installs...as in the exiting whiskers need to have a line of sight to TX antenna through out the task. Take a look and USE your Flight Loggers to insure/confirm that your installs are working to the optimum. For the exiting whiskers, use super high strand count, silicone insulated flex wire, that will protect you from the wire cracking at the exit point. Some servo wire is made out of it. Let us know how your experiments turned out! Or just buy new 2.4 fuses... Gordy _http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=760393highlight=mlee8249+2+4 _ (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=760393highlight=mlee8249+2+4) **Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598)
[RCSE] Addition to the 2.4 Carbon Fuse Solution...maybe
Just got to thinking, since Futa and Airtronics are using a shielded wire, the shielding grounded to the board (same as the negative battery wire) to trick the RX into thinking that there is no extension...the solution mentioned in Mike Lee and Dick Barker's thread might be improved by using small shielded wire (no I don't have source for micro shielded wire to use) . Simply shrink tube the inner wire which will end at the 31mm whiskers along side the existing RX whiskers, and solder a servo wire (black wire) to the shielding. Then plug that into any open port on the rx to make the ground connection. I'm GUESSING that it would make that extension wire of any length invisible to the system as the shielding does on the other brands with their longer whisker carriers. Did I mention I pity the fool who doesn't use a 2.4 RX with a 'tattle tale' device (Flight Logger) in their expensive molded ship? Gordy In a message dated 2/27/2008 9:51:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seems like the answer was the same as the 72mhz solution...but the exiting wires are critical in length and location. 31mm. and the attachment for the extensions is not soldered, its just shrinktubed along side the JR/Spectrum RX whiskers. Also the location of the exiting whiskers (antennae) is critical also, keep the phrase line of sight in mind when you do your installs...as in the exiting whiskers need to have a line of sight to TX antenna through out the task. Take a look and USE your Flight Loggers to insure/confirm that your installs are working to the optimum. For the exiting whiskers, use super high strand count, silicone insulated flex wire, that will protect you from the wire cracking at the exit point. Some servo wire is made out of it. Let us know how your experiments turned out! Or just buy new 2.4 fuses... Gordy _http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=760393highlight=mlee8249+2+4 _ (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=760393highlight=mlee8249+2+4) Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. _Watch the video on AOL Living._ (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598) **Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598)
[RCSE] Guess What I Found Hiding in a Corner on RC Groups...2.4 Carbon F..
Gordy... You are reminding me of the time I was at Lucas film years ago and they were trying to use one of the first Non - linear film editing systems... I was shown a BIG room were the walls were covered from floor to ceiling with computer print outs... I said whats this? Well he says... If you follow All of these directions EXACTLY it works great :- And I said Who follows directions and he said That's the only problem :- Just buy a Futaba :-) hehe Craig
[RCSE] Interesting camera invention.
For those of you who are also into photography, I found this amazing new technology... http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9876296-39.html?tag=nefd.lede
Re: [RCSE] Interesting camera invention.
Very cool. Essentially they are capturing more data and adding photoshop ellements right into the hardware. I can't believe it took them this long... On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Craig Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those of you who are also into photography, I found this amazing new technology... http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9876296-39.html?tag=nefd.lede RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Just buy a Futaba ?
Futaba pays me a $1 every time I get some to mention their name :-)) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to figure out what you motivation is to push the Futa's? Do you really that anyone is going to drop their brand to switch to something unknown to them? Guys that have JR, Futa or Airtronics are comfortable with their systems, know its programming and their planes are set to the end points travels, centers etc for their systems. Futa has yet to prove that their systems work any better than anyone else's 2.4, in fact their actions prove just the opposite. They have been late into the 2.4 market, entered with toy plane versions and have done (their actions not your words) just the opposite. What single official Futa thing have you seen published toward rc competition sailplanes? Radios are expensive, specially the 2.4 stuff. No one is changing because Futa has longer antenna leads. So enjoy your brand, but lighten up a bit on promoting something that has only one documented use in rc carbon sailplanes. That has been my point about 2.4 systems in general, a lot of heat has been created on RCGroups but very little light has come from it all the noise. Gordy In a message dated 2/27/2008 10:29:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gordy... You are reminding me of the time I was at Lucas film years ago andthey were trying to use one of the first Non - linear film editing systems...I was shown a BIG room were the walls were covered from floor to ceiling with computer print outs... I said whats this? Well he says... If youfollow All of these directions EXACTLY it works great :- And I saidWho follows directions and he said That's the only problem:- Just buy a Futaba :-) hehe Craig - Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.
[RCSE] Sorry Gordy
Gordy just informed me that I inadvertently posted his private message to me on the Exchange I would not want someone posting my private messages on the exchange... So I screwed up big time... SORRY GORDY Craig
[RCSE] 2.4 Spektrum System in a Pike Perfect
I just posted some actual data logger results for my Spektrum installation in a carbon Pike Perfect. I had 4 flights today (3 with the data logger) with no issues visible from the ground. It is not exactly where I want it yet but it is close. The thread talks about what I will do next. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=825409 Bruce RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Thanks Bruce! This is what the RCSE has excelled at!
I feel that this is a hobby that is made more interesting by projects like the 2.4 Carbon solution, bits and pieces of ideas, testing ,sharing and even some arguing about it,,,the projects ;-). Thanks for being part of the solution! I am seriously excited about this! Yes its a problem soon to go away as new ships all come in with 2.4 friendly noses, but for now and likely the next season, its crazy for us to be tossing Perfect ly good fuses because no one figured out how to make them work with the new systems. Come on you guys, get involved and share! And don't forget, its fine to post your stuff on the place where nobody signs their names (RC Groups) but don't forget to post it also to RCSE where its shoved in front over everyone's noses, everyone can see it, read it or delete iteveryone ;-). Good stuff Bruce! Gordy In a message dated 2/27/2008 3:10:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just posted some actual data logger results for my Spektrum installation in a carbon Pike Perfect. I had 4 flights today (3 with the data logger) with no issues visible from the ground. It is not exactly where I want it yet but it is close. The thread talks about what I will do next. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=825409 Bruce RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format **Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598)
[RCSE] Looking for American companys that specialize in exotic fibers?
This is a little off topic but I thought one of you might be able to help... I have a Friend who is just graduating from Collage with a Master of Science Degree specializing in Fiber science and is looking for a company to inter at. Eliza currently lives in Poland but will be living in the USA starting this summer. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Craig
RE: [RCSE] Thanks Bruce! This is what the RCSE has excelled at!
Gordy, you have a good point. The reason I posted on RCGroups is because I could attach the pictures. Here, for everyone else, is the data I collected today. I flew a 2.4 friendly Supra in Phoenix and it worked great. Now I wanted to convert my Pike Perfect but without going to the expense of ordering another new fuselage. I don't really like the whiskers on the Spektrum system but there is probably no way around it with all the carbon on the Perfect. I did want to minimize the number of holes I had to drill in a perfectly good, fairly new plane. I molded a fiberglass canopy and mounted the remote receiver in the upper part of the canopy with the whiskers sticking out horizontally. I will have to plug in each time I fly but that wont be a big deal. I just cut the wire that comes with the receiver and put a servo connector in the circuit. I mounted the main receiver in the normal Perfect location with the antenna that runs parallel to the long edge of the receiver (antenna B per a data logger) toward to top and rear so it runs inside the fiberglass canopy. On the second main receiver (A) I shrink wrapped another wire to the original that extends the length 62 mm (There are some threads on RCGroups that show this technique). I then ran this antenna vertically out the top of the canopy. The attached pictures show the installation. Today I got in 4 flights (3 with the data logger attached). The flights were all in the 5 to 8 minute range and I never experienced any visible problem. The data logger results were as follows. For receiver A (the one running out from the canopy vertically) I experienced and average of 154 fades (ranging from 255 to 32). For receiver B (running parallel to the fuselage inside the canopy) I experienced an average of 488 fades (ranging from 163 to 977). The remote receiver experienced an average of 135 fades ranging from 52 to 286. In the 3 instrumented flights I experienced an average of 161 frame losses ranging from 55 to 269. I had 2 holds on one flight and none on the others. This is not as good as JR recommends. I think the main problem area was when the plane was at a distance going away at shallow angles. In this case receiver B would be totally invisible because of the carbon in the fuselage and wing. The antennas for receiver A and the remote could also experience intermittent shielding. My next move will be to run the antenna from receiver B out the top of the canopy and receiver A out of the bottom side of the fuselage (that will be one hole in my new Pike). I won't be able to do this until next week because of business travel but will report the results when I get them. I think I will also put the logger in my Supra and see how it does. I would like to hear any feedback you all have on this, especially If you are successfully using a JR/Spektrum in a carbon Pike. Thanks. Bruce T. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Thanks Bruce! This is what the RCSE has excelled at! I feel that this is a hobby that is made more interesting by projects like the 2.4 Carbon solution, bits and pieces of ideas, testing ,sharing and even some arguing about it,,,the projects ;-). Thanks for being part of the solution! I am seriously excited about this! Yes its a problem soon to go away as new ships all come in with 2.4 friendly noses, but for now and likely the next season, its crazy for us to be tossing Perfect ly good fuses because no one figured out how to make them work with the new systems. Come on you guys, get involved and share! And don't forget, its fine to post your stuff on the place where nobody signs their names (RC Groups) but don't forget to post it also to RCSE where its shoved in front over everyone's noses, everyone can see it, read it or delete iteveryone ;-). Good stuff Bruce! Gordy In a message dated 2/27/2008 3:10:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just posted some actual data logger results for my Spektrum installation in a carbon Pike Perfect. I had 4 flights today (3 with the data logger) with no issues visible from the ground. It is not exactly where I want it yet but it is close. The thread talks about what I will do next. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=825409 Bruce RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please
[RCSE] Futaba 2.4s
I wrote a short article, Keep Your Carbon Fuselage, published in the January issue of RC Soaring Digest explaining my very successful use of Futaba 2.4 systems in my existing sailplanes with carbon and carbon weave fuselages. In my opinion, the Futaba RX antenna system is far superior, requiring only one RX with its partially shielded extra length of the Futaba RX antennas. I know that the JR/Spektrum 2.4 system can be made to work in carbon fuselages with extra RX's located around with their short antennas properly placed. JR even sells special hardware to help the modeler tell if the RX antenna locations are OK. I sold my Spektrum systems and went to Futaba specifically because of the convenience of applying the RX antenna system in my existing sailplanes. To date, my Futaba 2.4s have worked flawlessly without any extra RX's placed strategically around. Dale Nutter **Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598)
[RCSE] JR 2.4 Flight Logger results request
Any of you guys that are flying with the so called 2.4 friendly fuse and own a Flight Logger. Could you please share your flight results so some of up hardhead trying to make carbon fuse work guys can see if we are heading in the right direction or just fools wasting our time. I can't believe Dale Nutter took the easy way out and went Futaba. Thanks, BradOccasionally/often frustrated;...never defeated... _ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your fix. http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx
[RCSE] Spektrum in a standard Supra
I'm not sure how many of you have seen this yet...The results are great! http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=595288page=4#post9210495 Regards... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Wackiest Solution to 2.4 Carbon Challenge Goes To..
_http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=595288page=7_ (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=595288page=7) Okay so this one gets some points for being creative, but in fact if we all had to go through stripping apart RXs, soldering connections and chopping up our expensive moldies to get a 2.4 system to work in them Survey Says!...its pretty silly. Lets keep the ideas in reality. A 2.4 system is gonna cost about almost $700, I'm thinking it should kinda work for us at that price. :-) We know it that radio signals don't like our molded composite carbon weave fuselages, 72 or 2.4 or any other radio signals...we were able to adapt pretty easily once we got passed the advice of the antenna experts and just made the wire long enough to get clear of the fuse by letting it dangle about 16 or so out the rudder hinge line. Yep it turned out it was kind of important for the RX antenna to 'see' the TX antenna. Without the carbon fuse shading the info. (although I kind of liked mine tuned...to the key of E:-). Seems like the Specktrum system evolved first in rc cars which ran in close, had plastic bodies and not much room or need for long wire antennas. And now that all new molded ships will come with 2.4 friendly noses, its not likely that Spektrum will bother putting longer antennae that can exit carbon sailplane fuses...as did the other guys entering the market a few days later. (Those longer antennae and their brands might likely be complained about when the good ole days of carbon fuses are over :-) It appears Mike Lee and Dick Barker and their brainy advisors have used the KISS method of solving the challenge, no hacking components, no soldering even, and it seems their solution even voided any need for trick RX locations. And again, the ole snake charmer phrase to lull us into complacency before the strikethe chant of it works great! Have you heard me mentioned a think called a Flight Logger? A crazy little thing that sneeks the real happenings inside your personal setup and tattles about it after each flight, heck right at your ground range tests! So okay, the solution was creative and bound to work, but I'm wondering, who's vollenterring to send their 9000/921 and remotes to him for the dissections? :-) I will admit though that he had me Hooked at the word neodymium :-). Thanks for the link, unsigned Regards :-). Gordy n a message dated 2/27/2008 9:08:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure how many of you have seen this yet...The results are great! http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=595288page=4#post9210495 Regards... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format **Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598)
[RCSE] Dale Nutter's Futaba 2.4s
If you guys have not read this article, ...well you wonder why you aren't placing better at contests...you aren't reading enough. Dale's article in RCSD was excellent! For those of you who may not know Dale he is and has been a top USA champion and still one of the best TD thumbs out there. I wasn't surprised to see that he was a pioneer in getting 2.4 to work in existing carbon airframes. It is well thought out, simple and tested to the standards of a Master Class rc competition pilot. You should have downloaded the free copy of the issue...and then donated via Paypal like the rest of us :-)well right after sending your $20 to support our USA F3J team's efforts to win yet another World Championship. So go take a look...if you would like the linktoo bad, you know what they say about rc sailplaners...give them a link and they find the info today, make them find their own link to RCSD and they'll be winning their LSF5 contests this coming season! Thanks Dale! Gordy In a message dated 2/27/2008 5:17:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wrote a short article, Keep Your Carbon Fuselage, published in the January issue of RC Soaring Digest explaining my very successful use of Futaba 2.4 systems in my existing sailplanes with carbon and carbon weave fuselages. In my opinion, the Futaba RX antenna system is far superior, requiring only one RX with its partially shielded extra length of the Futaba RX antennas. I know that the JR/Spektrum 2.4 system can be made to work in carbon fuselages with extra RX's located around with their short antennas properly placed. JR even sells special hardware to help the modeler tell if the RX antenna locations are OK. I sold my Spektrum systems and went to Futaba specifically because of the convenience of applying the RX antenna system in my existing sailplanes. To date, my Futaba 2.4s have worked flawlessly without any extra RX's placed strategically around. Dale Nutter Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. _Watch the video on AOL Living._ (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598) **Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598)
