Re: [Soekris] OpenBSD 5.6 on a 4801?

[Nikola Gyurov]

Change default console to tty0.

-
Regards,
Nick
Sent from my Motorola Nexus 6

On Apr 10, 2015 3:40 AM, "Peter Bako"  wrote:
>
> Has anybody successfully installed OpenBSD 5.6 on a net4801?  I have two of
> these units (both with the latest 133 firmware), each failing in the exact
> same way, at the exact same place, while doing a PXE install.  I can see my
> TFTP server being queried for pxeboot, bsd.rd and boot.conf, so I know the
> PXE setup is correct.  On my serial terminal I can see the box starting the
> BSD boot, loads the kernel then displays "entry point at 0x200120" and
> stops.  Thinking it just might be slow I've left sitting for as long as 10
> minutes, but it just hangs there.  Since both units are doing this I am
> wondering if there was a change in OpenBSD which causes the install to fail
> on these older units...
>
> Thanks,
> Peter
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Re: [Soekris] Intel SSD 525 mSATA

[Nikola Gyurov]

Has anyone tested one of these?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ELQZCSE/

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:56 PM Colin Petrie  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> We have many net6501 boards using the Intel 525 mSATA 240GB
> No problems booting from them.
>
> Cheers
> Colin
>
>
> On 23/03/15 04:00, Riccardo Veraldi wrote:
> > hello I Ask if the Intel SSD 525 mSATA Disk 60GB is supported as a
> > bootable device by net6501 board.
> > thank you
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
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Re: [Soekris] Soekris net6501-70 and USB Disk not booting

[Nikola Gyurov]

Erhard,

What do you mean that you did not find any setting in ComBIOS to not
boot from USB?
Iirc, there is a setting to rearrange your boot devices. I don't have
a unit that I can afford to reboot right now, but I'm pretty sure
about that. I have one running with 2 HDDs in software raid1 and a USB
hdd and if rebooted/power cycled - boots with no problem from either
of the HDDs.
Best regards,
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On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 9:02 PM, Erhard Schwenk  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> we have a Soekris net6501-70 with an internal SATA-Harddisk running fine.
> Additional we have a bunch of portable Disks for Backup Purposes which get
> connected via USB. Runs fine so far, too, except one Problem:
>
> If I try to boot  the Soekris with one of the USB Disks attached, de ComBIOS
> hangs after Message "00 USB " and the red Error LED switches on.
> Disconnecting USB and Power cycling gives a normal Boot again.
>
> I did not find any setting in ComBIOS to not boot from USB - this would be
> completely ok since the USB Disks are just Backup Devices.
>
> Has anybody else such experiences? What can I do?
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Re: [Soekris] 6501 with OpenBSD as firewall

[Nikola Gyurov]

Ed,

For me, the USB booting was the win-factor to get a 6501.
Ironically I've only used it once, as network booting seems more convenient.

Now to the point - you seem to be right:
From 
'http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/~checkout~/src/sys/arch/i386/i386/machdep.c?rev=1.533;content-type=text%2Fplain':

#if !defined(SMALL_KERNEL)
/*
* Temperature read on the CPU is relative to the maximum
* temperature supported by the CPU, Tj(Max).
* Poorly documented, refer to:
* http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/isn/Community/
* en-US/forums/thread/30228638.aspx
* Basically, depending on a bit in one msr, the max is either 85 or 100.
* Then we subtract the temperature portion of thermal status from
* max to get current temperature.
*/
void
intelcore_update_sensor(void *args)
{
struct cpu_info *ci = (struct cpu_info *) args;
u_int64_t msr;
int max = 100;

/* Only some Core family chips have MSR_TEMPERATURE_TARGET. */
if (ci->ci_model == 0xe &&
   (rdmsr(MSR_TEMPERATURE_TARGET) & MSR_TEMPERATURE_TARGET_LOW_BIT))
max = 85;

The link to the Intel forums is no longer valid, though it's obvious
we're getting max set to 100 here (as we're not running *core-series).
So we're actually suffering from the same problem too.

I'm not sure I can suggest a quality diff to the OpenBSD folks to
correctly detect E640s (hence set max to 90), but I am going to fix it
for my system.

Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 3 LTE

On Mar 17, 2014 6:35 PM, "ED Fochler"  wrote:
>
> Nikola,
>
> No offense taken, ever.  You seem a decent fellow.  As for 
> temperatures, I still think you’re +10C from reality.  Below is output from 
> my two identical 6501’s at 1GHz.  The FreeBSD sysctl output is a lot more 
> verbose, and allows you to see the assumed tjmax.  Temperatures are read from 
> the CPU as an offset from tjmax, and everybody seems to be assuming 
> tjmax=100, even the BSD’s.  For the 6501 and the E640 cpu with tjmax=90, you 
> just have a 10 off problem.
>
> Yay USB booting!  That was an easy comparison.
>
> OpenBSD 5.4:
> # sysctl hw
> hw.machine=i386
> hw.model=Genuine Intel(R) CPU @ 1.00GHz ("GenuineIntel" 686-class)
> hw.ncpu=1
> hw.byteorder=1234
> hw.pagesize=4096
> hw.disknames=sd0:,sd1:8da019107644f3a2
> hw.diskcount=2
> hw.sensors.cpu0.temp0=72.00 degC
> hw.cpuspeed=1001
> hw.setperf=100
>
> PFSense 2.1: (FreeBSD 8.3)
> > sysctl dev.cpu
> dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu
> dev.cpu.0.%parent: legacy0
> dev.cpu.0.coretemp.delta: 28
> dev.cpu.0.coretemp.resolution: 1
> dev.cpu.0.coretemp.tjmax: 100.0C
> dev.cpu.0.coretemp.throttle_log: 0
> dev.cpu.0.temperature: 72.0C
> dev.cpu.1.%driver: cpu
> dev.cpu.1.%parent: legacy0
> dev.cpu.1.coretemp.delta: 28
> dev.cpu.1.coretemp.resolution: 1
> dev.cpu.1.coretemp.tjmax: 100.0C
> dev.cpu.1.coretemp.throttle_log: 0
> dev.cpu.1.temperature: 72.0C
>
>
> On 2014, Mar 16, at 8:31 PM, Nikola Gyurov  wrote:
>
> > I meant no disrespect, apologies if you felt offended.
> >
> > I'm also using OpenBSD, not Linux.
> > Best regards,
> > Nikola Gyurov
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:18 AM, ED Fochler  
> > wrote:
> >> I apologize for being unclear.  I agree that your TJ-Max is 90.  I think 
> >> your sysctl measurement sounds high, as if sysctl is assuming a tjmax off 
> >> 100 when calculating the offset.
> >>
> >> http://lists.soekris.com/pipermail/soekris-tech/2012-January/018121.html
> >>
> >> Or perhaps you are smarter than me, and I am being foolish.  :-)
> >>
> >>ED.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2014, Mar 16, at 8:10 PM, Nikola Gyurov  wrote:
> >>
> >>> ED, according to Intel, the tjmax for the 1 GHz Atom is 90 C (speaking
> >>> about the E640 here)?
> >>> There's also the 640T with tjmax of 110 C.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/intelligent-systems/queens-bay/embedded-intel-atom-e6xx-series-with-intel-platform-controller-hub-eg20t.html
> >>>
> >>> But how does that affect my sysctl results?
> >>>
> >>> P.S.: I'm using the box, not the rackmount unit.
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Re: [Soekris] 6501 with OpenBSD as firewall

[Nikola Gyurov]

I meant no disrespect, apologies if you felt offended.

I'm also using OpenBSD, not Linux.
Best regards,
Nikola Gyurov


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:18 AM, ED Fochler  wrote:
> I apologize for being unclear.  I agree that your TJ-Max is 90.  I think your 
> sysctl measurement sounds high, as if sysctl is assuming a tjmax off 100 when 
> calculating the offset.
>
> http://lists.soekris.com/pipermail/soekris-tech/2012-January/018121.html
>
> Or perhaps you are smarter than me, and I am being foolish.  :-)
>
> ED.
>
>
>
> On 2014, Mar 16, at 8:10 PM, Nikola Gyurov  wrote:
>
>> ED, according to Intel, the tjmax for the 1 GHz Atom is 90 C (speaking
>> about the E640 here)?
>> There's also the 640T with tjmax of 110 C.
>>
>> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/intelligent-systems/queens-bay/embedded-intel-atom-e6xx-series-with-intel-platform-controller-hub-eg20t.html
>>
>> But how does that affect my sysctl results?
>>
>> P.S.: I'm using the box, not the rackmount unit.
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Re: [Soekris] 6501 with OpenBSD as firewall

[Nikola Gyurov]

ED, according to Intel, the tjmax for the 1 GHz Atom is 90 C (speaking
about the E640 here)?
There's also the 640T with tjmax of 110 C.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/intelligent-systems/queens-bay/embedded-intel-atom-e6xx-series-with-intel-platform-controller-hub-eg20t.html

But how does that affect my sysctl results?

P.S.: I'm using the box, not the rackmount unit.
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Re: [Soekris] 6501 with OpenBSD as firewall

[Nikola Gyurov]

Been running 5.4 without any problems, on a 6501-50 box with + 2.5"
HDDs in softraid1, using it as a firewall/mail server/VPN/ssh
proxy/nfs (storage connected to the external USB).
So far it's doing well.

It IS going to be hot tho :/
Currently it's idle (i.e. load < 1%) and the Atom is running pretty hot:
/home/nikola $ sysctl | grep -i deg
hw.sensors.cpu0.temp0=78.00 degC
hw.sensors.cpu1.temp0=78.00 degC

It's still far away form the 90 deg maxTj (which I was unable to reach
even when recompiling the OS) so it's not throttling, but still hot
for an idle system.

Best regards,
Nikola Gyurov


On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Marc Balmer  wrote:
> Hi
>
> I uses many, many 4801 and 5501 as VDSL routers and firewalls running various 
> releases of OpenBSD.  I never used a 6501 with OpenBSD as VDSL 
> router/firewall.
>
> What are "people's" experiences with the net 6501 and (recent) OpenBSDs, for 
> firewalling and VPN purposes?
>
> - thx
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Re: [Soekris] 6501-70 compatible SSD and video card

[Nikola Gyurov]

Any compatible Intel SSD should work okay.
Couple of them are also available on Soekris's website. I can't recall
if it was the European one, but you can check the models - they are
also available in Amazon as well.
Best regards,
Nikola Gyurov


On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Thomas Fjellstrom  wrote:
> On Sat 15 Mar 2014 06:10:08 PM Colin Petrie wrote:
>> On 15/03/14 17:39, James Turner wrote:
>> > I followed a previous recommendation and purchased a Crucial M500 120GB
>> > mSATA Internal Solid State Drive (CT120M500SSD3) and so far so good. I've
>> > only had my soekris for about a week now but OpenBSD has been happily
>> > running on it without any issues.
>>
>> I tried a Crucial M500 240G mSATA in a net6501-70. But it had a weird
>> behaviour - on a cold boot it was fine, but the BIOS did not seem to see
>> it after a warm reset. Either doing a reboot in the OS, or using the
>> front panel reset button, left it unable to see the drive to boot from.
>> However a physical power cycle always booted OK.
>>
>> YMMV of course :) It may have been just that drive unit (we only tried one)
>>
>> We ended up just sticking to Intel 525's and have had no problems with
>> them since.
>
> I haven't had a problem with my m4. Could be something quirky with the m500,
> maybe a power draw issue on start? Or just a defective part.
>
>> Cheers
>> Colin
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Re: [Soekris] Recommended mSATA SSD

[Nikola Gyurov]

Intel SSDs are known to work too.
I've personally tried these on a net6501-50:
http://soekris.eu/shop/accessories_net6501/intel_mini_pcie_ssd_drive_525_30gb_mlc_oem_en.html
http://soekris.eu/shop/accessories_net6501/intel_mini_pcie_ssd_drive_525_60gb_mlc_oem_en.html
They should be available from Amazon as well.

Best regards,
Nikola Gyurov


On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Thomas Fjellstrom  wrote:
> I guess this isn't as helpful as I thought it'd be, but I'll post it anyhow...
>
> I have a Crucial M4 128GB mSATA SSD in my 6501-50. It seems the M500 has
> replaced it, so there's no guarantee it works, but it might if crucial designs
> their ssd in similar ways from generation to generation.
>
> On Sun 23 Feb 2014 08:05:40 PM James Turner wrote:
>> I'm looking to upgrade to a net6501 from a net5501 with ATA HDD and am
>> thinking about going the mSATA SSD route. From looking over the list it
>> seems finding mSATA drives that work with the net6501 can sometimes be a
>> challenge. I would preferable like something at least 16GB but 32GB
>> would be even better. SLC would be nice but because they are expensive
>> and harder to find I'm OK with MLC or TLC.
>>
>> Is anyone able to recommend a mSATA SSD drive that is at least 16GB that
>> they have had success with and is easily available on Amazon or Newegg?
>>
>> Otherwise, are most standard SATA SSD drives support without issue?
>>
>> Thanks.
>
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Re: [Soekris] Hard drive bracket for 6501-50

[Nikola Gyurov]

Having the same box and bracket, using it with 2 disks.
But to be honest, if u have the bracket I don't think u could fit the card
inside.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note3 LTE
On Jan 31, 2014 5:56 PM, "Fred Weston"  wrote:

> I purchased a 6501-50 with the standard 1 slot case.  I also purchased a
> hard drive bracket and a quad port ethernet card.  When I opened the case
> up, it looks like I can have the quad port ethernet OR the hard drive but
> not both.  Is that accurate or did I order the wrong bracket?
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Re: [Soekris] Net5501 cases and temperatures

[Nikola Gyurov]

Alvar, bad call, dude.
Even if u had problems its not nice to broadcast and advertise other
products on a competitive forum.

@Chris: There have been similar discussions before. Even the cheapest fan
on the market would make an improvement (big improvement if using the small
box). Of course if noise and/or power consumption are not an issue u could
go for bigger/faster/noisier ones.

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On Jan 31, 2014 5:23 PM, "AMuse"  wrote:

> Bad form, Alvar.
>
> There's no rule that you have to like Soren or Soekris - but hanging out
> on a help/support forum for a product to advise everyone to use something
> else is a classic dick move.
>
> For what it's worth, Christopher - I have used Net6501s in plenty of
> places around my work environment with the rackmount case. Temperature has
> not been an issue, but if it were a PCI slot fan would probably be more
> than enough to compensate in either the desktop OR rackmount case, for
> 5501s or 6501s.
>
> Here's one for $10: http://www.amazon.com/Antec-Cyclone-Blower-Expansion-
> Cooling/dp/B51299/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391188512&sr=
> 8-1&keywords=pci+slot+fan
>
> Non-disclaimer:  I have no affiliation with Antec or Soekris or Soren.
>
>
>
> On 01/31/2014 08:54 AM, Alvar Kusma wrote:
>
>> Christopher Hilton kirjutas:
>>
>> > hw.sensors.nsclpcsio0.temp1=127.00 degC (Remote)
>>
>> > which creates a situation that I want to remedy. My choices are:
>> >
>> > Buy a Rackmount soekris case and install a fan
>> > Replace this box with something that's got a little more power like a
>> Net6501
>>
>> www.routerboard.com
>>
>> P.S. I don't sell those and not affiliated with Mikrotik. Just after
>> switching from Soekris to another brand (Alix, if x86 is mandatory or
>> routerboard, if simply more ports/power needed). No problems since. Soekris
>> boards and PSU-s are almost constant headache. Not to count Soren's
>> attitude.
>>
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Re: [Soekris] net6501 + Transcend SSD + OpenBSD boot issues

[Nikola Gyurov]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B009X6DKPO/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1390615601&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX110_SY165

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On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 4:24 PM, David Paschal  wrote:

> Has anybody had any success in finding an SLC mSATA SSD (either the
Cactus 900S or otherwise) that (1) is currently and readily available for
purchase, and (2) works reliably with the net6501 and OpenBSD?

The Intel 311 and 313 series mSATA SSD SLC drives work (20GB and
24GB).  They're hard to find.

- M
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Re: [Soekris] net6501-50 normal working temperature

[Nikola Gyurov]

@David: I am, in fact, running OpenBSD (5.4-stable, was on -current
for a while) and using sysctl hw.sensors to check the temperature.
I am not aware of the problem you are talking about, but then again -
6 months ago I didn't have a Soekris box.
However, based on the other answers on the thread I'm thinking that
the measured value is correct.

Best regards,
Nikola Gyurov


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:36 AM, David Ruggiero
 wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, what is everyone using to measure the core
> temp? As I recall, OpenBSD 5.x provides (via "/sbin/sysctl hw.sensors"
> )  an un-compensated value that's actually 10 degrees C higher than
> the real core temperature for these types of Atoms. Or so folks seemed
> to think on this list about six months back. But perhaps you're using
> other tools or OSes that are already fixed...?
>
> My 6501-60 was running at 70C (compensated, actual) or better even
> under a very light load, using the standard Soekris case. I didn't
> like this, so I went the active-cooling route and drilled a bunch of
> holes in the top, right over the heat sink, and then put a very
> slow-speed, very quiet  fan right under them, tied to the 12v fan
> header. I now run at a cool 45-50C (compensated) depending on the
> ambient temp, and pull only about (IIRC) 2W more at the wall, with no
> more apparent noise.
>
> I could post pictures of my franken-case if anyone's interested.
>
> -David-
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:38 AM, Peter J. Holzer  wrote:
>> On 2013-12-02 14:27:40 +0100, Dr. Peter Voigt wrote:
>>> Am Mon, 2 Dec 2013 10:13:09 +0100
>>> schrieb "Peter J. Holzer" :
>>> > I got some 6501-70's in the 19" case and they run even hotter. For now
>>> > I made a little cardboard construction to keep them vertical:
>>> >
>>> > http://www.hjp.at/hw/twin_towers_of_soekris/
>>> >
>>> > But if (or when) we move them into a 19" rack I may have to install
>>> > some fans.
>>>
>>> Well, according to your impressing case positions I have noticed that
>>> your idle temperatures exceed 80 degrees Celsius in the 19" case.
>>>
>>> I am using the same original Soekris 19" rack mount case and I have
>>> never observed such high idle temperatures at normal ambient
>>> temperatures (22-23 degrees Celsius). Usually my idle temperature is
>>> around 70 degrees Celsius. What is your average ambient temperature?
>>
>> About the same. It probably varies more than 1 degree (our office AC is
>> old ...), but I'm quite sure it wasn't warmer than 25°C.
>>
>>
>>> Additionally, I have observed that temperature decreases by ~7 degrees
>>> Celsius, if you just leave the 19" case open (upper cover).
>>
>> Yup. That also allows the warm air to rise.
>>
>> hp
>>
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Re: [Soekris] net6501-50 normal working temperature

[Nikola Gyurov]

Thanks to all, who replied.
I guess it is normal to work under these conditions then.

@Bob Bishop: My HDDs usually run around 42-44 C so I'm not so much
worried about them.

Best regards,
Nikola Gyurov


On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 5:52 PM, WOLfgang Schricker  wrote:
> Nikola Gyurov schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Can someone with the same box share some expectations for the normal
>> working temperature of the Atom?
>> I got it with 2 WD Scorpio HDDs in the box and it is working @ 73
>> degrees celsium in a room temperature.
>> This is still far away from the tjMax of 90 degrees, but still seems a
>> lot for a system with very low load. I might be wrong though.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Nikola Gyurov
>>
> Hi, net6501-70, fanless, living room, one year:
>
> #-8<-8<-
> sensors | egrep 'Core|cpu'
> #
> smartctl -a /dev/sda | egrep 'Model|Temperature'
> smartctl -a /dev/sdb | egrep 'Model|Temperature'
> smartctl -a /dev/sdc | egrep 'Model|Temperature'
> smartctl -a /dev/sdd | egrep 'Model|Temperature'
> #-8<-8<-
>
> cpu temp: +86.0°C  (crit = +100.0°C)
>
> Device Model: KingSpec KSM-mSATA.5-016SJ
> 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022   040   100   000Old_age   Always
>   -   40 (Min/Max 30/60)
> Device Model: KingSpec KSM-mSATA.5i-016SJ
> 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022   040   100   000Old_age   Always
>   -   40 (Min/Max 30/60)
> Device Model: SAMSUNG HN-M101MBB
> 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0002   060   051   000Old_age   Always
>   -   40 (Min/Max 19/49)
> Device Model: SAMSUNG HN-M101MBB
> 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0002   062   050   000Old_age   Always
>   -   38 (Min/Max 19/50)
>
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[Soekris] net6501-50 normal working temperature

[Nikola Gyurov]

Hi,

Can someone with the same box share some expectations for the normal
working temperature of the Atom?
I got it with 2 WD Scorpio HDDs in the box and it is working @ 73
degrees celsium in a room temperature.
This is still far away from the tjMax of 90 degrees, but still seems a
lot for a system with very low load. I might be wrong though.

Best regards,
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[Soekris] WLAN AP on net6501

[Nikola Gyurov]

Hi,

I'd like to setup an AP with an external card.
I use 2 SATA HDDs in RAID1, which renders the mSATA ports unusable as
they're shared with the SATA ones and if I connect something on
msata0/1 it would cause sata0/1 unusable respectively.

So far the only way I see it is to use a USB device as opposed to
(m)psi-e - please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'd also be interested to know if someone has achieved that with
OpenBSD (I'm on 5.4-current) an if yes - to point me to a decent
hardware for the task.
-
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Re: [Soekris] More than 2 disks possible?

[Nikola Gyurov]

Hi Conrad,

It's not.
The msata and sata ports are shared with preference to the msata ports
(i.e. if you have a disk on msata0 it won't detect the disk at sata0).

Best regards,
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On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Conrad Kostecki  wrote:

> Hi,
> is it possible to attach two hard disks via s-ata and one ssd via m-sata
> at the same time? Or is the limit with to disks regardless of s-ata or
> m-sata?
>
> Cheers
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Re: [Soekris] net6501 won't start anymore

[Nikola Gyurov]

This is not good, as I'm planning to build a whole private e-mail
environment, based on Soekris.
Could you guys update the thread if you hear back from them regarding this?
Best regards,
Nikola Gyurov


On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Embedding Linux  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 18/09/13 17:32, Eivind Eide wrote:
>> I removed everything but the board (putting it on a wooden table)
>> and also tried another power supply. Same result.
>> Anything else? Time to contact Soekris Europe...?
>>
> [...]
>>>>
>>>> I purchased a net 6501-30 autumn 2011 from Soekris Europe. It's been
>>>> working nicely for me after bios with usb boot code was in place.
>>>> I'm running ComBIOS 1.41c and boot OpenBSD from a low profile USB stick.
>>>>
> [...]
>>>>
>>>> It stops before ComBIOS, there are no output to the serial console
>>>> whatsoever (and I have had no problems getting the serial console to
>>>> work before, so that's not it). So no disk problem  or such, the box
>>>> don't even get to POST.
>>>>
>>>> Where do I proceed from here? Any thoughts? Grateful for any ideas...
>
> We've had exactly the same problem a few months ago : suddenly, a
> 6501-50 utterly failed to start. Changint power supply didnot solve the
> problem.
>
> We replaced the motherboard with a new one (everything was under
> warranty). The failed board was sent back to the seller, we asked for
> some kind of feedback (to know if we should be wary of this kind of
> failures, since we bought several 6501) but got none up to now.
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Re: [Soekris] pfSense on Net6501 hangs during boot

[Nikola Gyurov]

Hi,

I know that OpenBSD can be further tweaked, so that even / is on a
memory filesystem:
http://techblagh.blogspot.com/2008/08/installing-openbsd-43-on-soekris-5501.html
http://wtf.hijacked.us/wiki/index.php/OpenBSD_Soekris_Read_Only_Root

However, I'm not sure or aware if you could do it on pfSense.

Best regards,
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On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Giles Coochey  wrote:
> On 15/09/2013 13:55, Giles Coochey wrote:
>
> [26/09/2012] wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>after following all the recent discussions about pfSense on here, I thought
>> it sounded quite interesting and wanted to try it out and see how I like it
>> - >which is probably quite an interesting idea especially since at this
>> time, I honestly don't know a thing about BSD-based systems just yet.
>>Since I wanted pfSense to boot from the internal MSATA flash module and not
>> from a USB stick, I did the following:
>>1. Downloaded the file pfSense-2.0.1-RELEASE-4g-i386-nanobsd.img.gz
>>2. Copied the file to a USB stick.
>>3. PXE-booted the Debian installer in rescue mode, so I could get to a
>> shell on the Net6501.
>>4. Mounted the USB stick and copied the image file to the flash module
>> using zcat and dd.
>>5. Changed Baud rate to 9600 in Com BIOS.
>>6. Rebooted and saw that FreeBSD was booting on the console.
>>Unfortunately, the boot process seems to hang. The last output I get is
>> this:
>>Booting [/boot/kernel/kernel]...
>>After that, there is no more input on the serial console whatsoever - no
>> error messages or anything like that. What am I doing wrong?
>>Thanks for any help from all you pfSense experts! :-)
>>Robin
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>
> I've just done a install to a SSD on a 6501-70 and I'm hanging at the same
> point when trying to boot off the SSD
>
> i.e. it hangs at:
>
> Booting [/boot/kernel/kernel]...   .
> -
>
> I was wondering if you managed to fix your problem and could give any
> pointers?
>
> I ended up putting the mSATA into a normal box with VGA etc... and running
> the install for the 2.1 pfsense release for i386. Then moving the mSATA disk
> to the Soekris.
> I had to correct /etc/fstab to mount the root correctly.
>
> All working!
>
> While I could get PXE boot running, dd'ing images to the SSD didn't appear
> to work, and it seems that is the issue somewhat. I wanted to avoid moving
> the mSATA to another machine as it (a laptop) doesn't give the best access
> to it (need to remove the keyboard).
>
> Does anyone have a list of tweaks for pfsense when using SSDs? I've selected
> the "Embedded" kernel during the install and enabled "Use memory file system
> for /tmp and /var" within pfsense webgui, just wondering if there is
> anything else that might prolong the SSD lifetime?
>
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Re: [Soekris] soekris 4801 and pfsense 2.x

[Nikola Gyurov]

Sorry, wrong box. It's:
$ sysctl | grep deg
hw.sensors.cpu0.temp0=71.00 degC
hw.sensors.cpu1.temp0=71.00 degC
Best regards,
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On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Nikola Gyurov  wrote:
> Actually, OpenBSD is slightly changing syntax over time, but the
> changes from a version to another are trivial and easy to implement.
> The bigest one I can remember was introduced in 4.7 with the changing
> of the redirection etc.
>
> As for the configuration generation on pfSense - while most of the
> things on OpenBSD just work, working with another config rarely
> happens :)
> What I meant was that he can generate his config on pfSense so he'd
> have a general idea of what does he need, then rewrite it to work on
> OpenBSD - could be tricky, but not impossible.
> A good guide to PF (if not the best) is Peter Hansteen's 'The Book of
> PF', 2nd edition --> http://nostarch.com/pf2.htm
>
> @Chris, are you actually running on 127 degC? NS (now TI) do produce
> some tough hw!
>
> These are my temp stats on the 6501-50 with two WD HDDs in the box:
> $ sysctl | grep deg
> hw.sensors.cpu0.temp0=34.00 degC
> hw.sensors.cpu1.temp0=34.00 degC
> hw.sensors.acpitz0.temp0=43.00 degC (zone temperature)
> hw.sensors.acpitz1.temp0=43.00 degC (zone temperature)
>
> Best regards,
> Nikola Gyurov
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Christopher Hilton  
> wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Nikola Gyurov  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> If you don't reqiure custom modifications all the time, no different
>>> user access to the interface etc. you could just create the pf.conf
>>> and use it on an OpenBSD installation (this is what I use, other BSDs
>>> may be fine too). It wouldn't need as much RAM as pfSense.
>>>
>>> However, this wouldn't help with the throughput limits.
>>>
>>
>> OpenBSD may or may not be a big help here. The OpenBSD team has done a lot 
>> of work on pf since the version that's in pfsense was released. Some of the 
>> work was performances based and that may be enough to get the job done on 
>> net4801 hardware for you. More on that later. One big change was a pf.conf 
>> syntax change regarding how NAT is handled which happened with OpenBSD 4.5. 
>> If you are using NAT, I would _not_ count on a pfsense generated 
>> configuration to work in OpenBSD 4.5+
>>
>> Otherwise, the news if very good. If my research is correct the OpenBSD team 
>> has gained big performance increases in both their network stack and pf many 
>> of which aren't reflected in pfsense. According to this talk:
>>
>>  youtube.com/watch?v=VNyBAcO2pIg [20:15]
>>
>> they roughly doubled the throughput of pf and their network stack from 
>> 28Mbit / sec to 56Mbit / sec on "low end Soekris" hardware. They don't 
>> specify the hardware beyond "low end Soekris" but when they say low end I 
>> assume that they mean a 45xx or a 48xx. I myself have tested 55xx and 65xx 
>> hardware and find that you can achieve 80 ~ 90 Mbit/sec with OpenBSD on the 
>> net5501 with the standard 100Mbit/s vr interfaces. To go faster you'll need 
>> to install a good Gigabit NIC in the net5501's PCI slot. The net5501 will 
>> keep up with the traffic but in this configuration, with a dual intel em PCI 
>> NICs I get lot's of heat. If the high heat bothers you, save yourself some 
>> time and opt for the net6501 or go for a rack mount chassis and plan on 
>> adding a fan.
>>
>>  $ sysctl -a | grep deg
>>  hw.sensors.nsclpcsio0.temp0=92.00 degC (Remote)
>>  hw.sensors.nsclpcsio0.temp1=127.00 degC (Remote)
>>  hw.sensors.nsclpcsio0.temp2=70.00 degC (Local)
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> -- Chris
>>
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Re: [Soekris] soekris 4801 and pfsense 2.x

[Nikola Gyurov]

Actually, OpenBSD is slightly changing syntax over time, but the
changes from a version to another are trivial and easy to implement.
The bigest one I can remember was introduced in 4.7 with the changing
of the redirection etc.

As for the configuration generation on pfSense - while most of the
things on OpenBSD just work, working with another config rarely
happens :)
What I meant was that he can generate his config on pfSense so he'd
have a general idea of what does he need, then rewrite it to work on
OpenBSD - could be tricky, but not impossible.
A good guide to PF (if not the best) is Peter Hansteen's 'The Book of
PF', 2nd edition --> http://nostarch.com/pf2.htm

@Chris, are you actually running on 127 degC? NS (now TI) do produce
some tough hw!

These are my temp stats on the 6501-50 with two WD HDDs in the box:
$ sysctl | grep deg
hw.sensors.cpu0.temp0=34.00 degC
hw.sensors.cpu1.temp0=34.00 degC
hw.sensors.acpitz0.temp0=43.00 degC (zone temperature)
hw.sensors.acpitz1.temp0=43.00 degC (zone temperature)

Best regards,
Nikola Gyurov


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Christopher Hilton  wrote:
>
> On Sep 10, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Nikola Gyurov  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> If you don't reqiure custom modifications all the time, no different
>> user access to the interface etc. you could just create the pf.conf
>> and use it on an OpenBSD installation (this is what I use, other BSDs
>> may be fine too). It wouldn't need as much RAM as pfSense.
>>
>> However, this wouldn't help with the throughput limits.
>>
>
> OpenBSD may or may not be a big help here. The OpenBSD team has done a lot of 
> work on pf since the version that's in pfsense was released. Some of the work 
> was performances based and that may be enough to get the job done on net4801 
> hardware for you. More on that later. One big change was a pf.conf syntax 
> change regarding how NAT is handled which happened with OpenBSD 4.5. If you 
> are using NAT, I would _not_ count on a pfsense generated configuration to 
> work in OpenBSD 4.5+
>
> Otherwise, the news if very good. If my research is correct the OpenBSD team 
> has gained big performance increases in both their network stack and pf many 
> of which aren't reflected in pfsense. According to this talk:
>
>  youtube.com/watch?v=VNyBAcO2pIg [20:15]
>
> they roughly doubled the throughput of pf and their network stack from 28Mbit 
> / sec to 56Mbit / sec on "low end Soekris" hardware. They don't specify the 
> hardware beyond "low end Soekris" but when they say low end I assume that 
> they mean a 45xx or a 48xx. I myself have tested 55xx and 65xx hardware and 
> find that you can achieve 80 ~ 90 Mbit/sec with OpenBSD on the net5501 with 
> the standard 100Mbit/s vr interfaces. To go faster you'll need to install a 
> good Gigabit NIC in the net5501's PCI slot. The net5501 will keep up with the 
> traffic but in this configuration, with a dual intel em PCI NICs I get lot's 
> of heat. If the high heat bothers you, save yourself some time and opt for 
> the net6501 or go for a rack mount chassis and plan on adding a fan.
>
>  $ sysctl -a | grep deg
>  hw.sensors.nsclpcsio0.temp0=92.00 degC (Remote)
>  hw.sensors.nsclpcsio0.temp1=127.00 degC (Remote)
>  hw.sensors.nsclpcsio0.temp2=70.00 degC (Local)
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> -- Chris
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Re: [Soekris] soekris 4801 and pfsense 2.x

[Nikola Gyurov]

Hi,

If you don't reqiure custom modifications all the time, no different
user access to the interface etc. you could just create the pf.conf
and use it on an OpenBSD installation (this is what I use, other BSDs
may be fine too). It wouldn't need as much RAM as pfSense.

However, this wouldn't help with the throughput limits.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S4 LTE

On Sep 10, 2013 1:47 PM, "chahid ouarzoun"  wrote:
>
> hi
>
> so the 4801 can be use only for monowall or small firewall ;)
>
> a+
>
>
> 2013/9/10 Eric Boudrand 
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> > > does the soekris
>> > > 4801
>> +case_lan1621_board
>> > > will
>> > > support all this traffic ?
>> >
>> > The 4801 is very limited and realistically scales up to 4kpps
>> > to 10kpps depending on the OS.
>> >
>> > The pfsense web interface is very heavy and modern versions
>> > don't even run on boxes like the 4801 due to RAM limitations.
>> >
>> > You are better off with a 5501 or 6501 box.
>>
>> I have been using pfSense on a 5501 and a 6501 with load balancing over
>> 2 ADSL lines. It works quite good. Web access to pfsense interface is
>> quicker on 6501 device. If you have a lot of connected computer on you
>> lan, you should use a device with high CPU. It increases WAN access
>> speed.
>>
>> I had an issue with the net6501 that deals with faulty SSD drive. Use as
>> much as possible nanoBSD version and redirect syslog events to an
>> internal syslog server.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
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Re: [Soekris] OpenBSD on net6501-50

[Nikola Gyurov]

First of all, thanks everyone for replying.

@Graeme: You were correct, my output was in fact being re-directed to
a non-existent display. Setting it to com0 did the trick. Thanks.

The installation went okay.
After rebooting, it is saying that no boot device is available.
I am using a SSD @ mSATA0 and a HDD @ SATA 1 which are both detected:
  Port-00: Hard Disk, INTEL SSDMCEAC030B3
  Port-01: Hard Disk, WDC WD1600BEKT-00PVMT0

Although the HDD shouldn't matter that much as I installed it on the SSD.
I also selected te whole disk to be used for OpenBSD during the installation.
Best regards,
Nikola Gyurov


On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Graeme Lee  wrote:
>
> On 3/09/2013 8:40 AM, Nikola Gyurov wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I'm trying to install OpenBSD on the net6501-50 box (PXE boot) and no matter
> what I do, it always freezes at the same point:
> boot> boot tftp:/bsd.rd
> booting tftp:/bsd.rd: 6027656+958568 [52+235152+223270]=0x719a50
> entry point at 0x200120 [7205c766, 3404, 24448b12, 318a304]
>
> I've tried with 5.3 and 5.4-current both i386 and amd64 archs.
> Any idea what might be wrong?
>
> Hi Nikola
>
> Your output is being redirected to a non-existent video display.  At the
> boot prompt you will need
>
> boot> set tty com0
> boot> stty com0   <- match your bios serial speed - default on
> OpenBSD is 9600
> boot> boot tftp:/bsd.rd
>
> Thanks,
>
> Graeme
>
>
>
> Best regards,
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[Soekris] OpenBSD on net6501-50

[Nikola Gyurov]

Hey guys,

I'm trying to install OpenBSD on the net6501-50 box (PXE boot) and no
matter what I do, it always freezes at the same point:
boot> boot tftp:/bsd.rd
booting tftp:/bsd.rd: 6027656+958568 [52+235152+223270]=0x719a50
entry point at 0x200120 [7205c766, 3404, 24448b12, 318a304]

I've tried with 5.3 and 5.4-current both i386 and amd64 archs.
Any idea what might be wrong?

Best regards,
Nikola Gyurov
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