Re: Friday Flashback #275

[Olivier Jeannel]

Beauty !


On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:46 PM, Stephen Blair 
wrote:

> ice!
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Friday Flashback #275

[Stephen Blair]

ice!
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Re: softimage missing from manage.autodesk.com

[Fabian Schnuer Gohde]

Thank you.

I did some more digging an tried the username instead of my email address
and was taken to a seemingly different account with Softimage in it. Seems
like some database mix up that got me two accounts for some reason. Will
talk to support when I have the time.

Best regards,
Fabian

On 19 August 2016 at 18:19, Simon Reeves  wrote:

> last time I checked, it is in there somewhere as part of suites if that
> helps. Not that the suites even exist any more
>
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 at 16:23 Sven Constable 
> wrote:
>
>> Sry, cannot help but just wanted to say that I logged into my account to
>> test and my products are also missing (Softimage 2011 and 2015). Maybe
>> contact AD support?
>>
>>
>>
>> sven
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Fabian Schnuer
>> Gohde
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2016 1:38 PM
>> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> *Subject:* softimage missing from manage.autodesk.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> it's been a while since I've done this but when logging into
>>
>>
>>
>> https://manage.autodesk.com to get my serial number to input at
>> https://registeronce.autodesk.com
>>
>>
>>
>> I can't find Softimage listed under products. Is the old subscriptions
>> web-system still available?
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Fabian
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Re: softimage missing from manage.autodesk.com

[Simon Reeves]

last time I checked, it is in there somewhere as part of suites if that
helps. Not that the suites even exist any more

On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 at 16:23 Sven Constable 
wrote:

> Sry, cannot help but just wanted to say that I logged into my account to
> test and my products are also missing (Softimage 2011 and 2015). Maybe
> contact AD support?
>
>
>
> sven
>
>
>
> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Fabian Schnuer
> Gohde
> *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2016 1:38 PM
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* softimage missing from manage.autodesk.com
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> it's been a while since I've done this but when logging into
>
>
>
> https://manage.autodesk.com to get my serial number to input at
> https://registeronce.autodesk.com
>
>
>
> I can't find Softimage listed under products. Is the old subscriptions
> web-system still available?
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Fabian
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RE: softimage missing from manage.autodesk.com

[Sven Constable]

Sry, cannot help but just wanted to say that I logged into my account to test 
and my products are also missing (Softimage 2011 and 2015). Maybe contact AD 
support?

 

sven

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Fabian Schnuer 
Gohde
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 1:38 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: softimage missing from manage.autodesk.com

 

Hi,

it's been a while since I've done this but when logging into

 

https://manage.autodesk.com to get my serial number to input at 
https://registeronce.autodesk.com

 

I can't find Softimage listed under products. Is the old subscriptions 
web-system still available?

 

Best regards,

Fabian

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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Perry Harovas]

Thank you for looking into it, Maurice.
I honestly am sure just you doing that is appreciated.

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Maurice Patel 
wrote:

> My problem is I cannot actually gauge whether this is really a serious
> issue or not.
> I know quite rightly that people are upset with the EOL of Softimage so I
> am not sure if what is being expressed here is just a reference of that
> anger (which I can do nothing about) or really related to the wiki being a
> useful resource rather than an obsolete website no one visits. There is no
> point trying to save an obsolete website hoping to fix anger at the EOL of
> Softimage because it will not. Anyway I am still researching options
> including releasing the data (if it can be done so in compliance with our
> privacy rules) to the community– I do not know how feasible anything is.
> maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Tél:  514 954-7134
> Cell: 514 242-6549
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-bounces@
> listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Perry Harovas
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 10:45 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon
>
> So what you are say, Maurice, is because some people have been making
> comments that you don't like, or are not constructive, you are going to get
> upset and not make an effort to do the right thing?
>
> You either want to do the right thing or you don't.
>
> Your message had the same tone as a parent getting upset with children,
> and then acting childish to get back at them.
>
> Everyone is being a bit childish now, but none of the people you are upset
> with started any of this.
> It started with Autodesk killing Softimage, and continues with killing the
> wiki.
>
> You didn't personally "do" any of that, but the company you work for did.
> I may have missed it, but I did not see anyone personally insulting you
> (and if they did, that was wrong). But your response was as if they did.
>
> Which honestly, and with no malice intended, is not exactly helping the
> situation either.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Maurice Patel  > wrote:
> OK, I am not getting much rational feedback here and if you are just
> picking apart every word I say with inaccurate speculation it is hard for
> me to gauge how serious the need is and whether it is actually worth any
> effort on my part. From what I understand the server was maintained by a
> Softimage dev, that person is now doing other things, the server will be
> replaced and that will be the end and even by "Softimage" standards it has
> no traffic. As far as I see this has turned into just another excuse to
> take pot shots at Autodesk which while they may be fun is not convincing me
> that I really need to do something about this.
> Maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Tél:  514 954-7134
> Cell: 514 242-6549
>
> -Original Message-
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimage-bounces@
> listproc.autodesk.com] On
> Behalf Of Schoenberger
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:37 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >
> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
>
>
>  |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in Softimage terms...
>
> Right, that website produces only 0.1% traffic of all AD websites.
> Therefore it has to be killed.
>
> Or Autodesk is now part of a secret www group that has the ambition to
> remove outdated websites. As, beside from that website, all other website
> (including the first forum posts on the area) are brand new.
> Imagine all the young artists searching for a Maya issue and accidentally
> reading Softimage help files, that must not happen!
>
> :-)
>
>
>
> Holger Schönberger
> technical director
> The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night
>
>
>
>  |> -Original Message-
>  |> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>  |> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com oftimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf  |> Of Morten
> Bartholdy  |> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 5:03 PM  |> To:
> softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> |> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon  |>  |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could
> be many in Softimage terms...
>  |>
>  |> To me it is invaluable to be able to find info on the odd  |> tool or
> functionality every now and then, but I don't visit  |> the Wiki when I
> don't need it. I will be using Softimage  |> for years to come, as Maya,
> though transforming and  |> improving, is still not a good replacement, and
> I can get a  |> lot more work done in a hurry with Softimage.
>  |>
>  |> //Morten
>
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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Maurice Patel]

My problem is I cannot actually gauge whether this is really a serious issue or 
not.
I know quite rightly that people are upset with the EOL of Softimage so I am 
not sure if what is being expressed here is just a reference of that anger 
(which I can do nothing about) or really related to the wiki being a useful 
resource rather than an obsolete website no one visits. There is no point 
trying to save an obsolete website hoping to fix anger at the EOL of Softimage 
because it will not. Anyway I am still researching options including releasing 
the data (if it can be done so in compliance with our privacy rules) to the 
community– I do not know how feasible anything is.
maurice

Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Perry Harovas
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 10:45 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon

So what you are say, Maurice, is because some people have been making
comments that you don't like, or are not constructive, you are going to get
upset and not make an effort to do the right thing?

You either want to do the right thing or you don't.

Your message had the same tone as a parent getting upset with children,
and then acting childish to get back at them.

Everyone is being a bit childish now, but none of the people you are upset with 
started any of this.
It started with Autodesk killing Softimage, and continues with killing the wiki.

You didn't personally "do" any of that, but the company you work for did.
I may have missed it, but I did not see anyone personally insulting you
(and if they did, that was wrong). But your response was as if they did.

Which honestly, and with no malice intended, is not exactly helping the 
situation either.



On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Maurice Patel 
mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>> wrote:
OK, I am not getting much rational feedback here and if you are just picking 
apart every word I say with inaccurate speculation it is hard for me to gauge 
how serious the need is and whether it is actually worth any effort on my part. 
From what I understand the server was maintained by a Softimage dev, that 
person is now doing other things, the server will be replaced and that will be 
the end and even by "Softimage" standards it has no traffic. As far as I see 
this has turned into just another excuse to take pot shots at Autodesk which 
while they may be fun is not convincing me that I really need to do something 
about this.
Maurice

Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549

-Original Message-
From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
 On Behalf Of Schoenberger
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:37 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon


 |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in Softimage terms...

Right, that website produces only 0.1% traffic of all AD websites.
Therefore it has to be killed.

Or Autodesk is now part of a secret www group that has the ambition to remove 
outdated websites. As, beside from that website, all other website (including 
the first forum posts on the area) are brand new.
Imagine all the young artists searching for a Maya issue and accidentally 
reading Softimage help files, that must not happen!

:-)



Holger Schönberger
technical director
The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night



 |> -Original Message-
 |> From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 |> 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com]
 On Behalf  |> Of Morten Bartholdy  |> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 5:03 PM  
|> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com  
|> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon  |>  |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be 
many in Softimage terms...
 |>
 |> To me it is invaluable to be able to find info on the odd  |> tool or 
functionality every now and then, but I don't visit  |> the Wiki when I don't 
need it. I will be using Softimage  |> for years to come, as Maya, though 
transforming and  |> improving, is still not a good replacement, and I can get 
a  |> lot more work done in a hurry with Softimage.
 |>
 |> //Morten


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Re: UeberTage|2016 in Siegen/Germany September 16th 2016 !Program online!

[Olivier Jeannel]

Siegen, that's 580km from Paris.. a bit far.

Le 19 août 2016 15:15, "Morten Bartholdy"  a écrit :

> Thanks for the heads-up. In production (as usual) so not sure i can make
> it, but you never know :)
>
> //MB
>
>
>
> > Den 18. august 2016 klokken 10:36 skrev Oliver Weingarten <
> li...@pixelpanic.de>:
> >
> >
> > Hey there!
> > Visit us at UeberTage|2016 this year!
> >
> > http://www.uebertage.com/
> >
> > Register here:
> > http://www.eventbrite.com/e/ubertage2016-tickets-26359266275?aff=es2
> >
> > Program can be found here:
> > http://www.uebertage.com/program-2016-2/
> >
> >
> > “Making of Session” 45 minutes:*
> > *“Making of: Nike Air Max 1″
> > *Matthias Zabiegly, Aixsponza Munich/Germany
> > *www.aixxponza.de *
> > *
> >
> > Developing a full retail package from layout to final for Nikes Air
> > Max 1 Ultra Flyknit launch. We’ll look at mood frames and dive deep
> > into knitting technology both in 3d and real life.
> >
> > 
> > 
> >
> > /
> > /“Cinema 4D Session” 45 minutes:
> > “Procedural Workflows in Cinema 4D”“
> > *Orestis Konstantinidis, Maxon/Friedrichsdorf, Germany
> > www.maxon.net 
> > *
> >
> > Demonstrating the combination of MoGraph and Fracturing in C4D 4D
> > R18 for an artist-oriented, non-destructive workflow. Followed up by
> > a small making of, where we take apart a setup built with native C4D
> > tools.
> >
> > Orestis started as a freelancer and later worked in a Japanese
> > studio for a few years. He is a technically-minded with special
> > interest on rigging and animation.
> > Now Orestis working at Maxon Computer GmbH as part of the UX Design
> > team.
> >
> > 
> > 
> >
> > “Houdini Session” 45 minutes:
> > “Houdini”
> > *N.N., Sidefx/Toronto, Canada
> > www.sidefx.com 
> > *
> >
> > Subject and presenter is coming soon😉
> >
> > 
> > 
> >
> >
> > “Making of Session” 45 minutes:
> > “Making of: Mercedes Benz – Backstage”
> > *Henning Westerwelle, Infected Post, Hamburg/Germany
> > www.infected-post.de 
> > *
> >
> > Case Study: Mercedes Benz – Backstage – how we created a fully
> > digital music fest concert. Henning Westerwelle presents from a
> > producer and VFX Supervising perspective the case study of Mercedes
> > Benz Sprinter “Backstage” production. A film that involved the work
> > of all disciplines from Infected for quite a few months.
> >
> > 
> > 
> >
> > “Keyshot Session” 45 minutes:
> >
> > “Rendering made fast, easy and accurate with KeyShot”
> >
> > *Dries Vervoort, Luxion, Aarhus/Denmark*
> > www.keyshot.com/ 
> >
> > Learn how KeyShot can cover all your visualization needs. Find out
> > how KeyShot enables you to create amazing renderings and animations,
> > fast and easy. KeyShot is a CAD independent and standalone CPU based
> > renderer and supports the widest number of 3D file formats on both
> > Mac and PC.
> >
> > Dries Vervoort holds a Master’s degree in Product Development from
> > the University of Antwerp, Belgium. He built several years of
> > experience as an industrial designer before his long-standing
> > passion for 3D visualization led him to move from Belgium to Aarhus,
> > Denmark to support the development of KeyShot. He joined the ranks
> > of Luxion as a Digital Media Artist and development supporter in
> > August 2015. Dries divides most of his time between idea generation,
> > concept development, creative development, software testing and
> > training.
> >
> > 
> > 
> >
> > “ToonBoom and Making of” 45 minutes:
> > “From mice and monsters – a sketch hits the big screen”
> > *Christian Asmussen, TrickStudio Lutterbeck GmbH, Cologne, Germany
> > www.trickstudio.de
> > *
> >
> > Since 1988 TrickStudio Lutterbeck produces 2D animation. On 09/08/16
> > TrickStudio’s first feature film “Molly Monster – The Movie” will be
> > released.
> > Christian Asmussen shows the production of 2D hand-drawn animation
> > with a lot of excerpts from current productions.
> >
> > 
> > --

Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Perry Harovas]

So what you are say, Maurice, is because some people have been making
comments that you don't like, or are not constructive, you are going to get
upset and not make an effort to do the right thing?

You either want to do the right thing or you don't.

Your message had the same tone as a parent getting upset with children,
and then acting childish to get back at them.

Everyone is being a bit childish now, but none of the people you are upset
with started any of this.
It started with Autodesk killing Softimage, and continues with killing the
wiki.

You didn't personally "do" any of that, but the company you work for did.
I may have missed it, but I did not see anyone personally insulting you
(and if they did, that was wrong). But your response was as if they *did*.

Which honestly, and with no malice intended, is not exactly helping the
situation either.



On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Maurice Patel 
wrote:

> OK, I am not getting much rational feedback here and if you are just
> picking apart every word I say with inaccurate speculation it is hard for
> me to gauge how serious the need is and whether it is actually worth any
> effort on my part. From what I understand the server was maintained by a
> Softimage dev, that person is now doing other things, the server will be
> replaced and that will be the end and even by "Softimage" standards it has
> no traffic. As far as I see this has turned into just another excuse to
> take pot shots at Autodesk which while they may be fun is not convincing me
> that I really need to do something about this.
> Maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Tél:  514 954-7134
> Cell: 514 242-6549
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Schoenberger
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:37 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
>
>
>  |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in Softimage terms...
>
> Right, that website produces only 0.1% traffic of all AD websites.
> Therefore it has to be killed.
>
> Or Autodesk is now part of a secret www group that has the ambition to
> remove outdated websites. As, beside from that website, all other website
> (including the first forum posts on the area) are brand new.
> Imagine all the young artists searching for a Maya issue and accidentally
> reading Softimage help files, that must not happen!
>
> :-)
>
>
>
> Holger Schönberger
> technical director
> The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night
>
>
>
>  |> -Original Message-
>  |> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
>  |> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf  |> Of
> Morten Bartholdy  |> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 5:03 PM  |> To:
> softimage@listproc.autodesk.com  |> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon  |>  |>
> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in Softimage terms...
>  |>
>  |> To me it is invaluable to be able to find info on the odd  |> tool or
> functionality every now and then, but I don't visit  |> the Wiki when I
> don't need it. I will be using Softimage  |> for years to come, as Maya,
> though transforming and  |> improving, is still not a good replacement, and
> I can get a  |> lot more work done in a hurry with Softimage.
>  |>
>  |> //Morten
>
>
>
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Mirko Jankovic]

Softimage department at AD? That was killed the day it was SI was bought,
actually I don't think it was ever formed at all... for real
ᐧ

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Schoenberger  wrote:

>
> Sorry that I made a joke about it. But This does not mean that this wiki
> is not an important place in case you have an issue with
> Softimage.
>
> Let me explain:
> >From the experience with Autodesk, the Softimage user are always
> confronted with a made decision. Made by people who have little or
> no connection to Softimage and their user base. This time, it is "The Wiki
> will be dead". Instead of reaching out and asking this
> Softimage group if the wiki is still important and useful, an admins check
> the traffic and decides this it is not important any
> more.
> The Wiki is not used for the every day job, it is used if we hit a wall
> and need help. Therefore it does not produce that much
> ammount of traffic.
>
> As you have seen it is still important this and then. And with that in
> mind, we (Autodesk and the users) could have found a way.
> Instead it is another "Live with it" notice. And now, users think again
> they are on their own and start downloading the website page
> by page with tools.
> And as I think that we can not influence anything at Autodesk regarding
> Softimage, I prefer some gallows humor.
>
>
>
> Some questions and more background:
> Did the admin reach out to the Softimage departement to ask if the wiki
> can be shut down?
> I could not assume that an admin will remove a website without asking the
> responsible departement, does he?
> And the Softimage departement, did they know that the wiki means? If they
> do not know, why don't they ask us? Because a dead
> software does not require any websites? Another of these "Softimage is
> dead and therefore " decisions that we have to struggle with
> since years.
>
> Softimage users have tried to influence Autodesk right from the beginning.
> When Softimage was bought by Autodesk, many customers
> have not continued their maintenence, because they did not know what will
> happen. Will it be another app that gets killed like some
> others have already been? Or will it continue and rise? They waited to see
> at least some signs if Autodesk will support Softimage
> and continue for exampple the road map for ICE. Instead we heard that AD
> build up a new non-SI-experienced dev group in Singapore.
>
> At that time Softimage users have tried to get in contact with Autodesk
> and tried that Softimage will be seen as one of the 3 3D
> applications at Autodesk. But we failed. All flyers had Maya and 3dsmax
> only. The main AD website has not listed Softimage beside
> 3dsmax and Maya. And so on...
>
> Sorry that we have lost faith that Autodesk will be doing something in the
> interest of Softimage users.
>
>
>
> Holger Schönberger
> technical director
> The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night
>
>
>
>  |> -Original Message-
>  |> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
>  |> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf
>  |> Of Maurice Patel
>  |> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 8:25 PM
>  |> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>  |> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
>  |>
>  |> OK, I am not getting much rational feedback here and if you
>  |> are just picking apart every word I say with inaccurate
>  |> speculation it is hard for me to gauge how serious the need
>  |> is and whether it is actually worth any effort on my part.
>  |> From what I understand the server was maintained by a
>  |> Softimage dev, that person is now doing other things, the
>  |> server will be replaced and that will be the end and even
>  |> by "Softimage" standards it has no traffic. As far as I see
>  |> this has turned into just another excuse to take pot shots
>  |> at Autodesk which while they may be fun is not convincing
>  |> me that I really need to do something about this.
>  |> Maurice
>  |>
>  |> Maurice Patel
>  |> Tél:  514 954-7134
>  |> Cell: 514 242-6549
>  |>
>  |>
>  |> -Original Message-
>  |> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
>  |> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf
>  |> Of Schoenberger
>  |> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:37 PM
>  |> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>  |> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
>  |>
>  |>
>  |>  |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in
>  |> Softimage terms...
>  |>
>  |> Right, that website produces only 0.1% traffic of all
>  |> AD websites.
>  |> Therefore it has to be killed.
>  |>
>  |> Or Autodesk is now part of a secret www group that has the
>  |> ambition to remove outdated websites. As, beside from that
>  |> website, all other website (including the first forum posts
>  |> on the area) are brand new.
>  |> Imagine all the young artists searching for a Maya issue
>  |> and accidentally reading Softimage help files, that must not happen!
>  |>
>  |> :-)
>  |>
>  |>
>  |>
>  |> Holger Schönberger
>  |> te

RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Schoenberger]

Sorry that I made a joke about it. But This does not mean that this wiki is not 
an important place in case you have an issue with
Softimage.

Let me explain:
>From the experience with Autodesk, the Softimage user are always confronted 
>with a made decision. Made by people who have little or
no connection to Softimage and their user base. This time, it is "The Wiki will 
be dead". Instead of reaching out and asking this
Softimage group if the wiki is still important and useful, an admins check the 
traffic and decides this it is not important any
more.
The Wiki is not used for the every day job, it is used if we hit a wall and 
need help. Therefore it does not produce that much
ammount of traffic.

As you have seen it is still important this and then. And with that in mind, we 
(Autodesk and the users) could have found a way.
Instead it is another "Live with it" notice. And now, users think again they 
are on their own and start downloading the website page
by page with tools.
And as I think that we can not influence anything at Autodesk regarding 
Softimage, I prefer some gallows humor.



Some questions and more background:
Did the admin reach out to the Softimage departement to ask if the wiki can be 
shut down?
I could not assume that an admin will remove a website without asking the 
responsible departement, does he?
And the Softimage departement, did they know that the wiki means? If they do 
not know, why don't they ask us? Because a dead
software does not require any websites? Another of these "Softimage is dead and 
therefore " decisions that we have to struggle with
since years.

Softimage users have tried to influence Autodesk right from the beginning. When 
Softimage was bought by Autodesk, many customers
have not continued their maintenence, because they did not know what will 
happen. Will it be another app that gets killed like some
others have already been? Or will it continue and rise? They waited to see at 
least some signs if Autodesk will support Softimage
and continue for exampple the road map for ICE. Instead we heard that AD build 
up a new non-SI-experienced dev group in Singapore.

At that time Softimage users have tried to get in contact with Autodesk and 
tried that Softimage will be seen as one of the 3 3D
applications at Autodesk. But we failed. All flyers had Maya and 3dsmax only. 
The main AD website has not listed Softimage beside
3dsmax and Maya. And so on...

Sorry that we have lost faith that Autodesk will be doing something in the 
interest of Softimage users.



Holger Schönberger
technical director
The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night



 |> -Original Message-
 |> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 |> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf
 |> Of Maurice Patel
 |> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 8:25 PM
 |> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
 |> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
 |>
 |> OK, I am not getting much rational feedback here and if you
 |> are just picking apart every word I say with inaccurate
 |> speculation it is hard for me to gauge how serious the need
 |> is and whether it is actually worth any effort on my part.
 |> From what I understand the server was maintained by a
 |> Softimage dev, that person is now doing other things, the
 |> server will be replaced and that will be the end and even
 |> by "Softimage" standards it has no traffic. As far as I see
 |> this has turned into just another excuse to take pot shots
 |> at Autodesk which while they may be fun is not convincing
 |> me that I really need to do something about this.
 |> Maurice
 |>
 |> Maurice Patel
 |> Tél:  514 954-7134
 |> Cell: 514 242-6549
 |>
 |>
 |> -Original Message-
 |> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 |> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf
 |> Of Schoenberger
 |> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:37 PM
 |> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
 |> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
 |>
 |>
 |>  |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in
 |> Softimage terms...
 |>
 |> Right, that website produces only 0.1% traffic of all
 |> AD websites.
 |> Therefore it has to be killed.
 |>
 |> Or Autodesk is now part of a secret www group that has the
 |> ambition to remove outdated websites. As, beside from that
 |> website, all other website (including the first forum posts
 |> on the area) are brand new.
 |> Imagine all the young artists searching for a Maya issue
 |> and accidentally reading Softimage help files, that must not happen!
 |>
 |> :-)
 |>
 |>
 |>
 |> Holger Schönberger
 |> technical director
 |> The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take
 |> the night
 |>
 |>
 |>
 |>  |> -Original Message-
 |>  |> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 |>  |> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On
 |> Behalf  |> Of Morten Bartholdy  |> Sent: Thursday, August
 |> 18, 2016 5:03 PM  |> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
 |> |> Subject: R

Re: UeberTage|2016 in Siegen/Germany September 16th 2016 !Program online!

[Morten Bartholdy]

Thanks for the heads-up. In production (as usual) so not sure i can make it, 
but you never know :)

//MB



> Den 18. august 2016 klokken 10:36 skrev Oliver Weingarten 
> :
> 
> 
> Hey there!
> Visit us at UeberTage|2016 this year!
> 
> http://www.uebertage.com/
> 
> Register here:
> http://www.eventbrite.com/e/ubertage2016-tickets-26359266275?aff=es2
> 
> Program can be found here:
> http://www.uebertage.com/program-2016-2/
> 
> 
> “Making of Session” 45 minutes:*
> *“Making of: Nike Air Max 1″
> *Matthias Zabiegly, Aixsponza Munich/Germany
> *www.aixxponza.de *
> *
> 
> Developing a full retail package from layout to final for Nikes Air
> Max 1 Ultra Flyknit launch. We’ll look at mood frames and dive deep
> into knitting technology both in 3d and real life.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> /
> /“Cinema 4D Session” 45 minutes:
> “Procedural Workflows in Cinema 4D”“
> *Orestis Konstantinidis, Maxon/Friedrichsdorf, Germany
> www.maxon.net 
> *
> 
> Demonstrating the combination of MoGraph and Fracturing in C4D 4D
> R18 for an artist-oriented, non-destructive workflow. Followed up by
> a small making of, where we take apart a setup built with native C4D
> tools.
> 
> Orestis started as a freelancer and later worked in a Japanese
> studio for a few years. He is a technically-minded with special
> interest on rigging and animation.
> Now Orestis working at Maxon Computer GmbH as part of the UX Design
> team.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> “Houdini Session” 45 minutes:
> “Houdini”
> *N.N., Sidefx/Toronto, Canada
> www.sidefx.com 
> *
> 
> Subject and presenter is coming soon😉
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> “Making of Session” 45 minutes:
> “Making of: Mercedes Benz – Backstage”
> *Henning Westerwelle, Infected Post, Hamburg/Germany
> www.infected-post.de 
> *
> 
> Case Study: Mercedes Benz – Backstage – how we created a fully
> digital music fest concert. Henning Westerwelle presents from a
> producer and VFX Supervising perspective the case study of Mercedes
> Benz Sprinter “Backstage” production. A film that involved the work
> of all disciplines from Infected for quite a few months.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> “Keyshot Session” 45 minutes:
> 
> “Rendering made fast, easy and accurate with KeyShot”
> 
> *Dries Vervoort, Luxion, Aarhus/Denmark*
> www.keyshot.com/ 
> 
> Learn how KeyShot can cover all your visualization needs. Find out
> how KeyShot enables you to create amazing renderings and animations,
> fast and easy. KeyShot is a CAD independent and standalone CPU based
> renderer and supports the widest number of 3D file formats on both
> Mac and PC.
> 
> Dries Vervoort holds a Master’s degree in Product Development from
> the University of Antwerp, Belgium. He built several years of
> experience as an industrial designer before his long-standing
> passion for 3D visualization led him to move from Belgium to Aarhus,
> Denmark to support the development of KeyShot. He joined the ranks
> of Luxion as a Digital Media Artist and development supporter in
> August 2015. Dries divides most of his time between idea generation,
> concept development, creative development, software testing and
> training.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> “ToonBoom and Making of” 45 minutes:
> “From mice and monsters – a sketch hits the big screen”
> *Christian Asmussen, TrickStudio Lutterbeck GmbH, Cologne, Germany
> www.trickstudio.de
> *
> 
> Since 1988 TrickStudio Lutterbeck produces 2D animation. On 09/08/16
> TrickStudio’s first feature film “Molly Monster – The Movie” will be
> released.
> Christian Asmussen shows the production of 2D hand-drawn animation
> with a lot of excerpts from current productions.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> “Making of Session” 45 minutes:
> “Making of:
> *Tim Borgmann, Wuppertal/Germany
> www.bt-3d.de 
> *
> 
> Tim Borgmann will talk about recent projects, beginning from
> “MindOverEye” to “Kinderriegel”. Tim is working as a freelance
> artis

Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Fabian Schnuer Gohde]

Speaking of backups, is there any way to make sure
http://www.softimageblog.com can be viewed locally in the future?

I still find myself there often enough.

Best regards,
Fabian

On 19 August 2016 at 09:51, Morten Bartholdy  wrote:

> I have had HTTrack running for approximately 6,5 hours after which it
> reported: "06:32:53 Panic:  Too many URLs, giving up..(>10)"
>
> I have got 2,43 GB worth of Wiki now and upon brief inspection it works
> locally, but the error message and 1,3 GB discrepancy (from the 3,7 GB
> Patrick mentions) indicates it might not be complete...
>
> I hope Maurice and the dev team can find a way to let perhaps Matt host it
> onwards.
>
>
> //Morten
>
>
>
>
>
> > Den 18. august 2016 klokken 16:37 skrev Patrick Neese <
> patrickne...@gmail.com>:
> >
> >
> > The wiki is over 3.7gigs with image/video/zips files.  Expect the server
> to
> > be slow as everyone wgets the files :)
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Perry Harovas 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Ironically, had we had notice that the same thing was going to happen
> to
> > > Softimage itself when Autodesk bought it (the way they informed
> > > everyone about Naiad ceasing to continue as a product) there would have
> > > been anger but it possibly wouldn't have been quite as volatile,
> > > since it would have been honest.
> > >
> > > Plus, one can't help but find the wording of the below notice as
> somewhat
> > > of an unintended comment on Softimage itself...
> > >
> > > *"therefore will cease to exist."*
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Olivier Jeannel <
> facialdel...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Softimage Mailing List.
> > >> To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-request@listproc.
> autodesk.com
> > >> with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Perry Harovas
> > > Animation and Visual Effects
> > >
> > > http://www.TheAfterImage.com 
> > >
> > > -26 Years Experience
> > > -Member of the Visual Effects Society (VES)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Softimage Mailing List.
> > > To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > > with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm.
> > >
> > --
> > Softimage Mailing List.
> > To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com
> with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm.
> --
> Softimage Mailing List.
> To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com
> with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm.
>
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Softimage Mailing List.
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softimage missing from manage.autodesk.com

[Fabian Schnuer Gohde]

Hi,
it's been a while since I've done this but when logging into

https://manage.autodesk.com to get my serial number to input at
https://registeronce.autodesk.com

I can't find Softimage listed under products. Is the old subscriptions
web-system still available?

Best regards,
Fabian
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To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with 
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Re: UeberTage|2016 in Siegen/Germany September 16th 2016 !Program online!

[Rob Wuijster]

It's always a fun day, so yes, try to come over :-)


Rob

\/-\/\/

On 19-8-2016 10:21, Tim Bolland wrote:

Thank you! Going to try and make it over for once.
Tim
*From:* Oliver Weingarten 
*Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2016 10:36 AM
*To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 

*Subject:* UeberTage|2016 in Siegen/Germany September 16th 2016 
!Program online!

Hey there!
Visit us at UeberTage|2016 this year!

http://www.uebertage.com/

Register here:
http://www.eventbrite.com/e/ubertage2016-tickets-26359266275?aff=es2

Program can be found here:
http://www.uebertage.com/program-2016-2/


“Making of Session” 45 minutes:*
*“Making of: Nike Air Max 1″
*Matthias Zabiegly, Aixsponza Munich/Germany
*www.aixxponza.de *
*

Developing a full retail package from layout to final for Nikes
Air Max 1 Ultra Flyknit launch. We’ll look at mood frames and dive
deep into knitting technology both in 3d and real life.




/
/“Cinema 4D Session” 45 minutes:
“Procedural Workflows in Cinema 4D”“
*Orestis Konstantinidis, Maxon/Friedrichsdorf, Germany
www.maxon.net 
*

Demonstrating the combination of MoGraph and Fracturing in C4D 4D
R18 for an artist-oriented, non-destructive workflow. Followed up
by a small making of, where we take apart a setup built with
native C4D tools.

Orestis started as a freelancer and later worked in a Japanese
studio for a few years. He is a technically-minded with special
interest on rigging and animation.
Now Orestis working at Maxon Computer GmbH as part of the UX
Design team.




“Houdini Session” 45 minutes:
“Houdini”
*N.N., Sidefx/Toronto, Canada
www.sidefx.com 
*

Subject and presenter is coming soon😉





“Making of Session” 45 minutes:
“Making of: Mercedes Benz – Backstage”
*Henning Westerwelle, Infected Post, Hamburg/Germany
www.infected-post.de 
*

Case Study: Mercedes Benz – Backstage – how we created a fully
digital music fest concert. Henning Westerwelle presents from a
producer and VFX Supervising perspective the case study of
Mercedes Benz Sprinter “Backstage” production. A film that
involved the work of all disciplines from Infected for quite a few
months.




“Keyshot Session” 45 minutes:

“Rendering made fast, easy and accurate with KeyShot”

*Dries Vervoort, Luxion, Aarhus/Denmark*
www.keyshot.com/ 

Learn how KeyShot can cover all your visualization needs. Find out
how KeyShot enables you to create amazing renderings and
animations, fast and easy. KeyShot is a CAD independent and
standalone CPU based renderer and supports the widest number of 3D
file formats on both Mac and PC.

Dries Vervoort holds a Master’s degree in Product Development from
the University of Antwerp, Belgium. He built several years of
experience as an industrial designer before his long-standing
passion for 3D visualization led him to move from Belgium to
Aarhus, Denmark to support the development of KeyShot. He joined
the ranks of Luxion as a Digital Media Artist and development
supporter in August 2015. Dries divides most of his time between
idea generation, concept development, creative development,
software testing and training.




“ToonBoom and Making of” 45 minutes:
“From mice and monsters – a sketch hits the big screen”
*Christian Asmussen, TrickStudio Lutterbeck GmbH, Cologne, Germany
www.trickstudio.de
*

Since 1988 TrickStudio Lutterbeck produces 2D animation. On
09/08/16 TrickStudio’s first feature film “Molly Monster – The
Movie” will be released.
Christian Asmussen shows the production of 2D hand-drawn animation
with a lot of excerpts from current productions.




“Making of Session” 45 minutes:
“Making of:
*Tim Borgmann, Wuppertal/Germany
www.bt-3d.de 
*

Tim Borgmann will talk about recent projects, beginning from
“MindOverEye” to “Kinderriegel”. Tim is w

Re: UeberTage|2016 in Siegen/Germany September 16th 2016 !Program online!

[Tim Bolland]

Thank you! Going to try and make it over for once.

Tim

From: Oliver Weingarten 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 10:36 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
Subject: UeberTage|2016 in Siegen/Germany September 16th 2016 !Program online!

Hey there! 
Visit us at UeberTage|2016 this year! 

http://www.uebertage.com/

Register here:
http://www.eventbrite.com/e/ubertage2016-tickets-26359266275?aff=es2

Program can be found here:
http://www.uebertage.com/program-2016-2/



“Making of Session” 45 minutes:
“Making of: Nike Air Max 1″
Matthias Zabiegly, Aixsponza Munich/Germany
www.aixxponza.de


  Developing a full retail package from layout to final for Nikes Air Max 1 
Ultra Flyknit launch. We’ll look at mood frames and dive deep into knitting 
technology both in 3d and real life.









“Cinema 4D Session” 45 minutes:
“Procedural Workflows in Cinema 4D”“
Orestis Konstantinidis, Maxon/Friedrichsdorf, Germany
www.maxon.net


  Demonstrating the combination of MoGraph and Fracturing in C4D 4D R18 for an 
artist-oriented, non-destructive workflow. Followed up by a small making of, 
where we take apart a setup built with native C4D tools.

  Orestis started as a freelancer and later worked in a Japanese studio for a 
few years. He is a technically-minded with special interest on rigging and 
animation.
  Now Orestis working at Maxon Computer GmbH as part of the UX Design team.





“Houdini Session” 45 minutes:
“Houdini”
N.N., Sidefx/Toronto, Canada
www.sidefx.com


  Subject and presenter is coming soon 









“Making of Session” 45 minutes:
“Making of: Mercedes Benz – Backstage”
Henning Westerwelle, Infected Post, Hamburg/Germany
www.infected-post.de


  Case Study: Mercedes Benz – Backstage – how we created a fully digital music 
fest concert. Henning Westerwelle presents from a producer and VFX Supervising 
perspective the case study of Mercedes Benz Sprinter “Backstage” production. A 
film that involved the work of all disciplines from Infected for quite a few 
months.










“Keyshot Session” 45 minutes:

“Rendering made fast, easy and accurate with KeyShot”

Dries Vervoort, Luxion, Aarhus/Denmark
www.keyshot.com/

  Learn how KeyShot can cover all your visualization needs. Find out how 
KeyShot enables you to create amazing renderings and animations, fast and easy. 
KeyShot is a CAD independent and standalone CPU based renderer and supports the 
widest number of 3D file formats on both Mac and PC.

  Dries Vervoort holds a Master’s degree in Product Development from the 
University of Antwerp, Belgium. He built several years of experience as an 
industrial designer before his long-standing passion for 3D visualization led 
him to move from Belgium to Aarhus, Denmark to support the development of 
KeyShot. He joined the ranks of Luxion as a Digital Media Artist and 
development supporter in August 2015. Dries divides most of his time between 
idea generation, concept development, creative development, software testing 
and training.







“ToonBoom and Making of” 45 minutes:
“From mice and monsters – a sketch hits the big screen”
Christian Asmussen, TrickStudio Lutterbeck GmbH, Cologne, Germany
www.trickstudio.de


  Since 1988 TrickStudio Lutterbeck produces 2D animation. On 09/08/16 
TrickStudio’s first feature film “Molly Monster – The Movie” will be released.
  Christian Asmussen shows the production of 2D hand-drawn animation with a lot 
of excerpts from current productions.








“Making of Session” 45 minutes:
“Making of:
Tim Borgmann, Wuppertal/Germany
www.bt-3d.de


  Tim Borgmann will talk about recent projects, beginning from “MindOverEye” to 
“Kinderriegel”. Tim is working as a freelance artist in vfx and graphics 
national as well as international since the mid of the nineties. During the 
years he has worked on a wide range of projects for different clients. His main 
focus is mostly vfx, look development and design. Besides my commercial work 
Tim spends his time on free art projects, always seeking for aesthetic and 
interesting image worl

Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Morten Bartholdy]

I have had HTTrack running for approximately 6,5 hours after which it reported: 
"06:32:53 Panic:  Too many URLs, giving up..(>10)"

I have got 2,43 GB worth of Wiki now and upon brief inspection it works 
locally, but the error message and 1,3 GB discrepancy (from the 3,7 GB Patrick 
mentions) indicates it might not be complete...

I hope Maurice and the dev team can find a way to let perhaps Matt host it 
onwards.


//Morten





> Den 18. august 2016 klokken 16:37 skrev Patrick Neese 
> :
> 
> 
> The wiki is over 3.7gigs with image/video/zips files.  Expect the server to
> be slow as everyone wgets the files :)
> 
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Perry Harovas 
> wrote:
> 
> > Ironically, had we had notice that the same thing was going to happen to
> > Softimage itself when Autodesk bought it (the way they informed
> > everyone about Naiad ceasing to continue as a product) there would have
> > been anger but it possibly wouldn't have been quite as volatile,
> > since it would have been honest.
> >
> > Plus, one can't help but find the wording of the below notice as somewhat
> > of an unintended comment on Softimage itself...
> >
> > *"therefore will cease to exist."*
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Olivier Jeannel 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Softimage Mailing List.
> >> To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com
> >> with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Perry Harovas
> > Animation and Visual Effects
> >
> > http://www.TheAfterImage.com 
> >
> > -26 Years Experience
> > -Member of the Visual Effects Society (VES)
> >
> > --
> > Softimage Mailing List.
> > To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm.
> >
> --
> Softimage Mailing List.
> To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with 
> "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm.
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To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with 
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Morten Bartholdy]

That is very generous of you Matt. I hope it will be possible.

Maurice, I understand your resentment/frustration over bitter remarks made 
here, but try see it from our perspective. Again Autodesk is removing a tool 
which is very valuable to a great number of os - low traffic or not. And it 
seems it would do little to no harm to Autodesk to just keep that server 
running or copy the Wiki to a new server, if yuo need to replace hardware or 
set it up elsewhere.

We have known about Softimage EOL for some years now, but it has definately not 
made me any more happy about Autodesks decision, and having started learning 
Maya, I am beginning to grasp just how lucky I have been having chosen to use 
Softimage instead, that is until you guys decided to stop the fun and make 3D 
tedious again.

Rescentment aside, I appreciate all your efforts on this list to try and help 
us out Maurice. It goes to show that the people employed at Autodesk are not 
always representative of the Autodesk corporate position - you guys are human 
and oftentimes nice guys :)

Best regards
Morten Bartholdy





> Den 18. august 2016 klokken 22:51 skrev Matt Lind :
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> 
> Addendum:
> 
> I recently renewed my web hosting for 3 more years.  I can host the 
> softimage wiki if a package and installation instructions are provided as 
> the disc space and traffic are well within my hosting plans limits.
> 
> 
> Matt
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