Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Morten Bartholdy]

Thanks everybody who participated in making this possible - it is much 
appreciated.

Morten



> Den 7. oktober 2016 klokken 15:17 skrev "Leendert A. Hartog" 
> :
> 
> 
> There has been a new development concerning the Softimage-Wiki.
> Autodesk will keep hosting it "as is" for the time being.
> As it turns out, it is legally very complicated to transfer the usage rights 
> for the content to a "third-party"...
> 
> Thanks goes to Nicolas Leduc for trying and for convincing Autodesk to at 
> least preserve the Wiki...
> 
> Greetz
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Jeremie Passerin]

Nice !
Thanks to Nicolas and Autodesk !

On 7 October 2016 at 06:17, Leendert A. Hartog  wrote:

> There has been a new development concerning the Softimage-Wiki.
> Autodesk will keep hosting it "as is" for the time being.
> As it turns out, it is legally very complicated to transfer the usage
> rights for the content to a "third-party"...
>
> Thanks goes to Nicolas Leduc for trying and for convincing Autodesk to at
> least preserve the Wiki...
>
> Greetz
> Leendert
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Leendert A. Hartog]

There has been a new development concerning the Softimage-Wiki.
Autodesk will keep hosting it "as is" for the time being.
As it turns out, it is legally very complicated to transfer the usage rights 
for the content to a "third-party"...

Thanks goes to Nicolas Leduc for trying and for convincing Autodesk to at least 
preserve the Wiki...

Greetz
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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Morten Bartholdy]

Oliver is the man in so many respects - thank Oli :)

Morten




> Den 13. september 2016 klokken 16:06 skrev "Leendert A. Hartog" 
> :
> 
> 
> Just got confirmation from Oliver Weingarten (si-community's owner)  that 
> he'd be willing to host it!
> 
> Greetz
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Patrick Neese]

So...i had a thought a while back.  Maurice may already be all over it,
but...

As far as I know they have not open sourced (not sure they can) the content
of the site and most websites have policies that at the very least grant
this permission to the site owner (Autodesk) concerning user submitted
content; if not actual ownership of submitted content. I believe the person
hosting will want and , Autodesk should send, a legal document giving the
person hosting it permission (in a limited and specific way) to use, copy,
store, distribute, modify, grant third parties the ability to
distribute/copy/etc on their behalf(their hosting and CDN), etc..  Both
Copyright and Trademark items will need to be outlined. Concerning
trademark at least hold the host harmless for improper Trademark usage as
it exists on the site currently, as this could violate their current posted
terms of usage. I'm certain not every instance of "Softimage" is "Autodesk
Softimage®".  Autodesk's EULA for their sites doesn't allow these things
currently and should a trademark/copyright issue arise, from Autodesk or a
person who originally granted permission to Autodesk to use the content
they created, this paperwork will be needed. Not that and issue will occur,
but it could. This was my primary reason for not volunteering my webspace.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Fabian Schnuer Gohde <list@gohde.no>
wrote:

> Hi,
> if Matt is unable I'm happy to host the old wiki on my server. It has lots
> of unused bandwidth and space and runs nightly backups. I've sent a mail to
> Maurice earlier and again now. Also I'll remain an active Softimage user
> for at least another 2-3 years and my server will remain active for the
> foreseeable future. I'm also happy to make a downloadable backup version
> available "just in case" once it's all migrated.
>
> Best regards,
> Fabian
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 13 September 2016 at 17:28, Andres Stephens <drais...@outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
>> What a guy!
>>
>>
>>
>> -Draise
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *wavo <w...@fiftyeight.com>
>> *Sent: *13 September 2016 10:22
>> *To: *softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> *Subject: *Re: Wiki EOL soon
>>
>>
>>
>> ...cool !
>> then we can call it Über_softimage_Wiki !
>>
>> thanks Oliver and thank You for all the Softimage-Übertage
>>
>> Walter
>>
>> Am 9/13/2016 um 4:06 PM schrieb Leendert A. Hartog:
>>
>> Just got confirmation from Oliver Weingarten (si-community's owner)  that
>> he'd be willing to host it!
>>
>> Greetz
>> Leendert
>> AKA Hirazi Blue
>>
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Fabian Schnuer Gohde]

Hi,
if Matt is unable I'm happy to host the old wiki on my server. It has lots
of unused bandwidth and space and runs nightly backups. I've sent a mail to
Maurice earlier and again now. Also I'll remain an active Softimage user
for at least another 2-3 years and my server will remain active for the
foreseeable future. I'm also happy to make a downloadable backup version
available "just in case" once it's all migrated.

Best regards,
Fabian






On 13 September 2016 at 17:28, Andres Stephens <drais...@outlook.com> wrote:

> What a guy!
>
>
>
> -Draise
>
>
>
> *From: *wavo <w...@fiftyeight.com>
> *Sent: *13 September 2016 10:22
> *To: *softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject: *Re: Wiki EOL soon
>
>
>
> ...cool !
> then we can call it Über_softimage_Wiki !
>
> thanks Oliver and thank You for all the Softimage-Übertage
>
> Walter
>
> Am 9/13/2016 um 4:06 PM schrieb Leendert A. Hartog:
>
> Just got confirmation from Oliver Weingarten (si-community's owner)  that
> he'd be willing to host it!
>
> Greetz
> Leendert
> AKA Hirazi Blue
>
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>
> Telefon +49 (0) 69.48 000 55.50
> Telefax +49 (0) 69.48 000 55.15
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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Andres Stephens]

What a guy!

-Draise

From: wavo<mailto:w...@fiftyeight.com>
Sent: 13 September 2016 10:22
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon


...cool !
then we can call it Über_softimage_Wiki !

thanks Oliver and thank You for all the Softimage-Übertage

Walter

Am 9/13/2016 um 4:06 PM schrieb Leendert A. Hartog:
>
> Just got confirmation from Oliver Weingarten (si-community's owner)
> that he'd be willing to host it!
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[wavo]

...cool !
then we can call it Über_softimage_Wiki !

thanks Oliver and thank You for all the Softimage-Übertage

Walter

Am 9/13/2016 um 4:06 PM schrieb Leendert A. Hartog:


Just got confirmation from Oliver Weingarten (si-community's owner)  
that he'd be willing to host it!


Greetz
Leendert
AKA Hirazi Blue

Outlook voor Android  downloaden



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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Leendert A. Hartog]

Just got confirmation from Oliver Weingarten (si-community's owner)  that he'd 
be willing to host it!

Greetz
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Martin Chatterjee]

I thought, Matt Lind had offered to host it?

Matt, would you still be up for it?

Thanks, Martin

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 10:51 PM, Matt Lind  wrote:

> Addendum:
>
> I recently renewed my web hosting for 3 more years.  I can host the
> softimage wiki if a package and installation instructions are provided as
> the disc space and traffic are well within my hosting plans limits.
>
>
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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Leendert A. Hartog]

PS I'd be willing to put in the effort, but lack of funds would mean finding a 
free host to host the wiki
and my lack of experience in these matters would mean, that I can't guarantee 
success...;)

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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Leendert A. Hartog]

That's not good! I am thinking of setting up a totally new wiki for Softimage, 
but I haven't got a clue, if the current content could easily be transferred to 
such a new wiki. Maybe others can chime in. It probably would be best to host 
the original wiki as a static archive and build a new one independently. It's 
somewhat disappointing that no action has been undertaken by the community "at 
large", as earlier posts in this thread seemed to indicate the wiki was 
well-worth preserving... I myself have little experience in these matters, so 
any help would be greatly welcomed...

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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Maurice Patel]

Hi Leendert,
No one has contacted me yet. I am still looking for volunteers that I can put 
in contact with Nicolas.
mauric

Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549

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Did anyone already volunteer to host the legacy Wiki?

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Did anyone already volunteer to host the legacy Wiki?

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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Steven Caron]

I thought Matt offered?

BTW, I can pitch in on hosting cost.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Maurice Patel 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> Is  there anyone who would be willing to host the wikki?
> Maurice
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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Maurice Patel]

Hi everyone,
Is  there anyone who would be willing to host the wikki?
Maurice

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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Morten Bartholdy]

This is good news Maurice - thanks for making the effort!
I hope the whole thing will work out in the end :)

//Morten



> Den 23. august 2016 klokken 18:36 skrev Maurice Patel 
> :
> 
> 
> Hi guys,
> I have some good news (I think). I have succeeded in getting the data 
> transferred from the R server to Nicolas Leduc who you may know as he was 
> the one who originally created it at Softimage. He now manages AREA. He has 
> taken a look and feels confident we can migrate it to anyone in the community 
> who wishes to host it and has the right technical requirements to do so. The 
> of migration would not be trivial but he is ready to have an evaluation 
> discussion with anyone who is interested. If you are interested please email 
> me at my Autodesk email address (you can cc the forum too to keep everyone in 
> the loop)
> Thank you
> maurice
> 
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Perry Harovas]

This is *excellent* news Maurice.
Thank you very much for the detailed update.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Maurice Patel 
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> Hi guys,
> I have some good news (I think). I have succeeded in getting the data
> transferred from the R server to Nicolas Leduc who you may know as he was
> the one who originally created it at Softimage. He now manages AREA. He has
> taken a look and feels confident we can migrate it to anyone in the
> community who wishes to host it and has the right technical requirements to
> do so. The of migration would not be trivial but he is ready to have an
> evaluation discussion with anyone who is interested. If you are interested
> please email me at my Autodesk email address (you can cc the forum too to
> keep everyone in the loop)
> Thank you
> maurice
>
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Angus Davidson]

Dear Maurice

That is very good news. Thank you.

Kind regards

Angus

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Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon

Hi guys,
I have some good news (I think). I have succeeded in getting the data 
transferred from the R server to Nicolas Leduc who you may know as he was the 
one who originally created it at Softimage. He now manages AREA. He has taken a 
look and feels confident we can migrate it to anyone in the community who 
wishes to host it and has the right technical requirements to do so. The of 
migration would not be trivial but he is ready to have an evaluation discussion 
with anyone who is interested. If you are interested please email me at my 
Autodesk email address (you can cc the forum too to keep everyone in the loop)
Thank you
maurice

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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Matt Morris]

Thanks Maurice, good to know it might be able to be kept around.

On 23 August 2016 at 17:36, Maurice Patel 
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> Hi guys,
> I have some good news (I think). I have succeeded in getting the data
> transferred from the R server to Nicolas Leduc who you may know as he was
> the one who originally created it at Softimage. He now manages AREA. He has
> taken a look and feels confident we can migrate it to anyone in the
> community who wishes to host it and has the right technical requirements to
> do so. The of migration would not be trivial but he is ready to have an
> evaluation discussion with anyone who is interested. If you are interested
> please email me at my Autodesk email address (you can cc the forum too to
> keep everyone in the loop)
> Thank you
> maurice
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[Maurice Patel]

Hi guys,
I have some good news (I think). I have succeeded in getting the data 
transferred from the R server to Nicolas Leduc who you may know as he was the 
one who originally created it at Softimage. He now manages AREA. He has taken a 
look and feels confident we can migrate it to anyone in the community who 
wishes to host it and has the right technical requirements to do so. The of 
migration would not be trivial but he is ready to have an evaluation discussion 
with anyone who is interested. If you are interested please email me at my 
Autodesk email address (you can cc the forum too to keep everyone in the loop)
Thank you
maurice

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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Perry Harovas]

Yes Patrick, thank you.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 7:06 AM, Morten Bartholdy 
wrote:

> Thank you very much for this Patrick  -it is much appreciated!
>
> Best regards
> Morten Bartholdy
>
>
> > Den 22. august 2016 klokken 16:29 skrev Patrick Boucher <
> pbouc...@patrickboucher.com>:
> >
> >
> > Hi Fabian (and others),
> >
> > This message was brought to my attention and I’d like to let everyone
> know that although I am now working for Shotgun and haven’t touched
> Softimage (or been in production for that matter) in a few years…
> >
> > *I have no plans to stop hosting SoftimageBlog.*
> >
> > The site is privately hosted by myself on my own infrastructure and not
> dependent on Autodesk in any way shape or form. You can count on it being
> there as long as you’ll be using Softimage.
> >
> > Thanks for the continued support throughout the years.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Patrick Boucher
> >
> > On August 19, 2016 at 8:35:40 AM, Fabian Schnuer Gohde (
> list@gohde.no) wrote:
> >
> > Speaking of backups, is there any way to make sure
> http://www.softimageblog.com can be viewed locally in the future?
> >
> > I still find myself there often enough.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Fabian
> >
> > On 19 August 2016 at 09:51, Morten Bartholdy 
> wrote:
> > I have had HTTrack running for approximately 6,5 hours after which it
> reported: "06:32:53 Panic:  Too many URLs, giving up..(>10)"
> >
> > I have got 2,43 GB worth of Wiki now and upon brief inspection it works
> locally, but the error message and 1,3 GB discrepancy (from the 3,7 GB
> Patrick mentions) indicates it might not be complete...
> >
> > I hope Maurice and the dev team can find a way to let perhaps Matt host
> it onwards.
> >
> >
> > //Morten
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Den 18. august 2016 klokken 16:37 skrev Patrick Neese <
> patrickne...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > >
> > > The wiki is over 3.7gigs with image/video/zips files.  Expect the
> server to
> > > be slow as everyone wgets the files :)
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Perry Harovas  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ironically, had we had notice that the same thing was going to
> happen to
> > > > Softimage itself when Autodesk bought it (the way they informed
> > > > everyone about Naiad ceasing to continue as a product) there would
> have
> > > > been anger but it possibly wouldn't have been quite as volatile,
> > > > since it would have been honest.
> > > >
> > > > Plus, one can't help but find the wording of the below notice as
> somewhat
> > > > of an unintended comment on Softimage itself...
> > > >
> > > > *"therefore will cease to exist."*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Olivier Jeannel <
> facialdel...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Softimage Mailing List.
> > > >> To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-request@listproc.
> autodesk.com
> > > >> with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Perry Harovas
> > > > Animation and Visual Effects
> > > >
> > > > http://www.TheAfterImage.com 
> > > >
> > > > -26 Years Experience
> > > > -Member of the Visual Effects Society (VES)
> > > >
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> > > > Softimage Mailing List.
> > > > To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-request@listproc.
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> > > > with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm.
> > > >
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Morten Bartholdy]

Thank you very much for this Patrick  -it is much appreciated!

Best regards
Morten Bartholdy


> Den 22. august 2016 klokken 16:29 skrev Patrick Boucher 
> :
> 
> 
> Hi Fabian (and others),
> 
> This message was brought to my attention and I’d like to let everyone know 
> that although I am now working for Shotgun and haven’t touched Softimage (or 
> been in production for that matter) in a few years…
> 
> *I have no plans to stop hosting SoftimageBlog.*
> 
> The site is privately hosted by myself on my own infrastructure and not 
> dependent on Autodesk in any way shape or form. You can count on it being 
> there as long as you’ll be using Softimage.
> 
> Thanks for the continued support throughout the years.
> 
> Cheers,
> Patrick Boucher
> 
> On August 19, 2016 at 8:35:40 AM, Fabian Schnuer Gohde (list@gohde.no) 
> wrote:
> 
> Speaking of backups, is there any way to make sure 
> http://www.softimageblog.com can be viewed locally in the future?
> 
> I still find myself there often enough.
> 
> Best regards,
> Fabian
> 
> On 19 August 2016 at 09:51, Morten Bartholdy  wrote:
> I have had HTTrack running for approximately 6,5 hours after which it 
> reported: "06:32:53 Panic:  Too many URLs, giving up..(>10)"
> 
> I have got 2,43 GB worth of Wiki now and upon brief inspection it works 
> locally, but the error message and 1,3 GB discrepancy (from the 3,7 GB 
> Patrick mentions) indicates it might not be complete...
> 
> I hope Maurice and the dev team can find a way to let perhaps Matt host it 
> onwards.
> 
> 
> //Morten
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Den 18. august 2016 klokken 16:37 skrev Patrick Neese 
> > :
> >
> >
> > The wiki is over 3.7gigs with image/video/zips files.  Expect the server to
> > be slow as everyone wgets the files :)
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Perry Harovas 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Ironically, had we had notice that the same thing was going to happen to
> > > Softimage itself when Autodesk bought it (the way they informed
> > > everyone about Naiad ceasing to continue as a product) there would have
> > > been anger but it possibly wouldn't have been quite as volatile,
> > > since it would have been honest.
> > >
> > > Plus, one can't help but find the wording of the below notice as somewhat
> > > of an unintended comment on Softimage itself...
> > >
> > > *"therefore will cease to exist."*
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Olivier Jeannel 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Softimage Mailing List.
> > >> To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > >> with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Perry Harovas
> > > Animation and Visual Effects
> > >
> > > http://www.TheAfterImage.com 
> > >
> > > -26 Years Experience
> > > -Member of the Visual Effects Society (VES)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Softimage Mailing List.
> > > To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > > with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm.
> > >
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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Sven Constable]

As for the tutorial vids on YT and vimeo I started to grab them a few years 
ago, when I was concerned about the diminishing of content on the web. May it 
be wikis, forums or videos. Eg. Psyop had some very interesting and advanced 
tech demos (vids and papers) about procedural UVing lagoa simulations. I also 
grabbed all of the ICE and FaceRobot tutorials by AD. Oh, and not to forget the 
brilliant ICE tutorials by Paul Smith.

I don't expect these gems to be available forever. Unlike the site by Ed 
Harriss. That stuff apparently won't die  :-)

(Thank you Ed, btw.)

sven

 

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Davidson
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 6:59 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon

 

I use Softimage for all my 3D work, and use the Wiki as a quick reference guide.

I do not plan on going to the dark side, so I don't expect any further support 
from

AD. I managed to grab the existing Wiki (almost all) using HTTrack (thanks for 
that tip, guys)

Glad to hear that the blog is not going away.  I also subscribe to 
AceMastermind, on YouTube,

which has many Softimage tutorials that are quite handy.

 

Best Regards,
  Stephen P. Davidson 
   (954) 552-7956
sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

 - 
Arthur C. Clarke

 <http://www.3danimationmagic.com> 

 

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 8:42 AM Morten Bartholdy <x...@colorshopvfx.dk> wrote:

So you would like a showing of hands who still uses Softimage in production and 
are to some degree reliant on having access to help such as the Wiki every now 
and then.

One big hand here! To me this is very real.

And more reliant than ever since this list is getting smaller as people are 
migrating to The Dark Side or other and better alternatives.

//Morten Bartholdy

Den 19. august 2016 klokken 17:05 skrev Maurice Patel 
<maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>:

My problem is I cannot actually gauge whether this is really a serious issue or 
not.
I know quite rightly that people are upset with the EOL of Softimage so I am 
not sure if what is being expressed here is just a reference of that anger 
(which I can do nothing about) or really related to the wiki being a useful 
resource rather than an obsolete website no one visits. There is no point 
trying to save an obsolete website hoping to fix anger at the EOL of Softimage 
because it will not. Anyway I am still researching options including releasing 
the data (if it can be done so in compliance with our privacy rules) to the 
community– I do not know how feasible anything is.
maurice

Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Perry Harovas
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 10:45 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon

So what you are say, Maurice, is because some people have been making
comments that you don't like, or are not constructive, you are going to get
upset and not make an effort to do the right thing?

You either want to do the right thing or you don't.

Your message had the same tone as a parent getting upset with children,
and then acting childish to get back at them.

Everyone is being a bit childish now, but none of the people you are upset with 
started any of this.
It started with Autodesk killing Softimage, and continues with killing the wiki.

You didn't personally "do" any of that, but the company you work for did.
I may have missed it, but I did not see anyone personally insulting you
(and if they did, that was wrong). But your response was as if they did.

Which honestly, and with no malice intended, is not exactly helping the 
situation either.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Maurice Patel 
<maurice.pa...@autodesk.com<maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>> wrote:
OK, I am not getting much rational feedback here and if you are just picking 
apart every word I say with inaccurate speculation it is hard for me to gauge 
how serious the need is and whether it is actually worth any effort on my part. 
From what I understand the server was maintained by a Softimage dev, that 
person is now doing other things, the server will be replaced and that will be 
the end and even by "Softimage" standards it has no traffic. As far as I see 
this has turned into just another excuse to take pot shots at Autodesk which 
while they may be fun is not convincing me that I really need to do something 
about this.
Maurice

Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134<tel:514%20954-7134>
Cell: 514 242-6549<tel:514%20242-6549>

-Original Message-
From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 
[softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<so

Re: Wiki EOL soon

[phil harbath]

I also use it full time,  trying to learn some houdini, but it is slow going.
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[paul]

I’m ramping up production with Softimage.

From: Stephen Davidson 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 5:58 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com 
Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon

I use Softimage for all my 3D work, and use the Wiki as a quick reference 
guide. 
I do not plan on going to the dark side, so I don't expect any further support 
from
AD. I managed to grab the existing Wiki (almost all) using HTTrack (thanks for 
that tip, guys)
Glad to hear that the blog is not going away.  I also subscribe to 
AceMastermind, on YouTube,
which has many Softimage tutorials that are quite handy.



Best Regards,
  Stephen P. Davidson 
   (954) 552-7956
sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

 - 
Arthur C. Clarke





On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 8:42 AM Morten Bartholdy <x...@colorshopvfx.dk> wrote:

  So you would like a showing of hands who still uses Softimage in production 
and are to some degree reliant on having access to help such as the Wiki every 
now and then.

  One big hand here! To me this is very real.

  And more reliant than ever since this list is getting smaller as people are 
migrating to The Dark Side or other and better alternatives.

  //Morten Bartholdy

  Den 19. august 2016 klokken 17:05 skrev Maurice Patel 
<maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>:

  My problem is I cannot actually gauge whether this is really a serious issue 
or not.
  I know quite rightly that people are upset with the EOL of Softimage so I am 
not sure if what is being expressed here is just a reference of that anger 
(which I can do nothing about) or really related to the wiki being a useful 
resource rather than an obsolete website no one visits. There is no point 
trying to save an obsolete website hoping to fix anger at the EOL of Softimage 
because it will not. Anyway I am still researching options including releasing 
the data (if it can be done so in compliance with our privacy rules) to the 
community– I do not know how feasible anything is.
  maurice

  Maurice Patel
  Tél:  514 954-7134
  Cell: 514 242-6549

  From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Perry Harovas
  Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 10:45 AM
  To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
  Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon

  So what you are say, Maurice, is because some people have been making
  comments that you don't like, or are not constructive, you are going to get
  upset and not make an effort to do the right thing?

  You either want to do the right thing or you don't.

  Your message had the same tone as a parent getting upset with children,
  and then acting childish to get back at them.

  Everyone is being a bit childish now, but none of the people you are upset 
with started any of this.
  It started with Autodesk killing Softimage, and continues with killing the 
wiki.

  You didn't personally "do" any of that, but the company you work for did.
  I may have missed it, but I did not see anyone personally insulting you
  (and if they did, that was wrong). But your response was as if they did.

  Which honestly, and with no malice intended, is not exactly helping the 
situation either.

  On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Maurice Patel 
<maurice.pa...@autodesk.com<maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>> wrote:
  OK, I am not getting much rational feedback here and if you are just picking 
apart every word I say with inaccurate speculation it is hard for me to gauge 
how serious the need is and whether it is actually worth any effort on my part. 
From what I understand the server was maintained by a Softimage dev, that 
person is now doing other things, the server will be replaced and that will be 
the end and even by "Softimage" standards it has no traffic. As far as I see 
this has turned into just another excuse to take pot shots at Autodesk which 
while they may be fun is not convincing me that I really need to do something 
about this.
  Maurice

  Maurice Patel
  Tél:  514 954-7134<tel:514%20954-7134>
  Cell: 514 242-6549<tel:514%20242-6549>

  -Original Message-
  From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 
[softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
 On Behalf Of Schoenberger
  Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:37 PM
  To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
  Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon

  |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in Softimage terms...

  Right, that website produces only 0.1% traffic of all AD websites.
  Therefore it has to be killed.

  Or Autodesk is now part of a secret www group that has the ambition to remove 
outdated websites. As, beside from that website, all other website (including 
the first forum posts on the area) are brand new.
  Imagi

Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Stephen Davidson]

I use Softimage for all my 3D work, and use the Wiki as a quick reference
guide.
I do not plan on going to the dark side, so I don't expect any further
support from
AD. I managed to grab the existing Wiki (almost all) using HTTrack (thanks
for that tip, guys)
Glad to hear that the blog is not going away.  I also subscribe to
AceMastermind, on YouTube,
which has many Softimage tutorials that are quite handy.


Best Regards,
*  Stephen P. Davidson*

*(954) 552-7956*sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com

*Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic*


 - Arthur C. Clarke

<http://www.3danimationmagic.com>

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 8:42 AM Morten Bartholdy <x...@colorshopvfx.dk>
wrote:

> So you would like a showing of hands who still uses Softimage in
> production and are to some degree reliant on having access to help such as
> the Wiki every now and then.
>
> One big hand here! To me this is very real.
>
> And more reliant than ever since this list is getting smaller as people
> are migrating to The Dark Side or other and better alternatives.
>
> //Morten Bartholdy
>
> Den 19. august 2016 klokken 17:05 skrev Maurice Patel <
> maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>:
>
> My problem is I cannot actually gauge whether this is really a serious
> issue or not.
> I know quite rightly that people are upset with the EOL of Softimage so I
> am not sure if what is being expressed here is just a reference of that
> anger (which I can do nothing about) or really related to the wiki being a
> useful resource rather than an obsolete website no one visits. There is no
> point trying to save an obsolete website hoping to fix anger at the EOL of
> Softimage because it will not. Anyway I am still researching options
> including releasing the data (if it can be done so in compliance with our
> privacy rules) to the community– I do not know how feasible anything is.
> maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Tél:  514 954-7134
> Cell: 514 242-6549
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Perry Harovas
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 10:45 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon
>
> So what you are say, Maurice, is because some people have been making
> comments that you don't like, or are not constructive, you are going to get
> upset and not make an effort to do the right thing?
>
> You either want to do the right thing or you don't.
>
> Your message had the same tone as a parent getting upset with children,
> and then acting childish to get back at them.
>
> Everyone is being a bit childish now, but none of the people you are upset
> with started any of this.
> It started with Autodesk killing Softimage, and continues with killing the
> wiki.
>
> You didn't personally "do" any of that, but the company you work for did.
> I may have missed it, but I did not see anyone personally insulting you
> (and if they did, that was wrong). But your response was as if they did.
>
> Which honestly, and with no malice intended, is not exactly helping the
> situation either.
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Maurice Patel <maurice.pa...@autodesk.com
> <maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>> wrote:
> OK, I am not getting much rational feedback here and if you are just
> picking apart every word I say with inaccurate speculation it is hard for
> me to gauge how serious the need is and whether it is actually worth any
> effort on my part. From what I understand the server was maintained by a
> Softimage dev, that person is now doing other things, the server will be
> replaced and that will be the end and even by "Softimage" standards it has
> no traffic. As far as I see this has turned into just another excuse to
> take pot shots at Autodesk which while they may be fun is not convincing me
> that I really need to do something about this.
> Maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Tél:  514 954-7134<tel:514%20954-7134>
> Cell: 514 242-6549<tel:514%20242-6549>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Schoenberger
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:37 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
>
> |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in Softimage terms...
>
> Right, that website produces only 0.1% traffic of all AD websites.
> Therefore it has to be killed.
>
> Or Autodesk is now part of a secret www group that has the ambition to
> remove outdated websites. As, beside 

Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Christoph Muetze]

...me too, more than ever.

Cheers,
Chris

On 08/22/2016 06:13 PM, Fabian Schnuer Gohde wrote:
> Still Softimage all the way here.
> -Fabian
> 
> On 22 August 2016 at 14:42, Morten Bartholdy <x...@colorshopvfx.dk> wrote:
> 
>> So you would like a showing of hands who still uses Softimage in
>> production and are to some degree reliant on having access to help such as
>> the Wiki every now and then.
>>
>> One big hand here! To me this is very real.
>>
>> And more reliant than ever since this list is getting smaller as people
>> are migrating to The Dark Side or other and better alternatives.
>>
>> //Morten Bartholdy
>>
>> Den 19. august 2016 klokken 17:05 skrev Maurice Patel <
>> maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>:
>>
>> My problem is I cannot actually gauge whether this is really a serious
>> issue or not.
>> I know quite rightly that people are upset with the EOL of Softimage so I
>> am not sure if what is being expressed here is just a reference of that
>> anger (which I can do nothing about) or really related to the wiki being a
>> useful resource rather than an obsolete website no one visits. There is no
>> point trying to save an obsolete website hoping to fix anger at the EOL of
>> Softimage because it will not. Anyway I am still researching options
>> including releasing the data (if it can be done so in compliance with our
>> privacy rules) to the community– I do not know how feasible anything is.
>> maurice
>>
>> Maurice Patel
>> Tél:  514 954-7134
>> Cell: 514 242-6549
>>
>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage-bounces@listproc.
>> autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Perry Harovas
>> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 10:45 AM
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon
>>
>> So what you are say, Maurice, is because some people have been making
>> comments that you don't like, or are not constructive, you are going to get
>> upset and not make an effort to do the right thing?
>>
>> You either want to do the right thing or you don't.
>>
>> Your message had the same tone as a parent getting upset with children,
>> and then acting childish to get back at them.
>>
>> Everyone is being a bit childish now, but none of the people you are upset
>> with started any of this.
>> It started with Autodesk killing Softimage, and continues with killing the
>> wiki.
>>
>> You didn't personally "do" any of that, but the company you work for did.
>> I may have missed it, but I did not see anyone personally insulting you
>> (and if they did, that was wrong). But your response was as if they did.
>>
>> Which honestly, and with no malice intended, is not exactly helping the
>> situation either.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Maurice Patel <maurice.pa...@autodesk.com
>> <maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>> wrote:
>> OK, I am not getting much rational feedback here and if you are just
>> picking apart every word I say with inaccurate speculation it is hard for
>> me to gauge how serious the need is and whether it is actually worth any
>> effort on my part. From what I understand the server was maintained by a
>> Softimage dev, that person is now doing other things, the server will be
>> replaced and that will be the end and even by "Softimage" standards it has
>> no traffic. As far as I see this has turned into just another excuse to
>> take pot shots at Autodesk which while they may be fun is not convincing me
>> that I really need to do something about this.
>> Maurice
>>
>> Maurice Patel
>> Tél:  514 954-7134<tel:514%20954-7134>
>> Cell: 514 242-6549<tel:514%20242-6549>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<
>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Schoenberger
>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:37 PM
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
>> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
>>
>> |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in Softimage terms...
>>
>> Right, that website produces only 0.1% traffic of all AD websites.
>> Therefore it has to be killed.
>>
>> Or Autodesk is now part of a secret www group that has the ambition to
>> remove outdated websites. As, beside from that website, all other website
>> (including the first forum posts on the area) are brand new.
>> Imagine all the young artists se

Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Fabian Schnuer Gohde]

Still Softimage all the way here.
-Fabian

On 22 August 2016 at 14:42, Morten Bartholdy <x...@colorshopvfx.dk> wrote:

> So you would like a showing of hands who still uses Softimage in
> production and are to some degree reliant on having access to help such as
> the Wiki every now and then.
>
> One big hand here! To me this is very real.
>
> And more reliant than ever since this list is getting smaller as people
> are migrating to The Dark Side or other and better alternatives.
>
> //Morten Bartholdy
>
> Den 19. august 2016 klokken 17:05 skrev Maurice Patel <
> maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>:
>
> My problem is I cannot actually gauge whether this is really a serious
> issue or not.
> I know quite rightly that people are upset with the EOL of Softimage so I
> am not sure if what is being expressed here is just a reference of that
> anger (which I can do nothing about) or really related to the wiki being a
> useful resource rather than an obsolete website no one visits. There is no
> point trying to save an obsolete website hoping to fix anger at the EOL of
> Softimage because it will not. Anyway I am still researching options
> including releasing the data (if it can be done so in compliance with our
> privacy rules) to the community– I do not know how feasible anything is.
> maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Tél:  514 954-7134
> Cell: 514 242-6549
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage-bounces@listproc.
> autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Perry Harovas
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 10:45 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon
>
> So what you are say, Maurice, is because some people have been making
> comments that you don't like, or are not constructive, you are going to get
> upset and not make an effort to do the right thing?
>
> You either want to do the right thing or you don't.
>
> Your message had the same tone as a parent getting upset with children,
> and then acting childish to get back at them.
>
> Everyone is being a bit childish now, but none of the people you are upset
> with started any of this.
> It started with Autodesk killing Softimage, and continues with killing the
> wiki.
>
> You didn't personally "do" any of that, but the company you work for did.
> I may have missed it, but I did not see anyone personally insulting you
> (and if they did, that was wrong). But your response was as if they did.
>
> Which honestly, and with no malice intended, is not exactly helping the
> situation either.
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Maurice Patel <maurice.pa...@autodesk.com
> <maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>> wrote:
> OK, I am not getting much rational feedback here and if you are just
> picking apart every word I say with inaccurate speculation it is hard for
> me to gauge how serious the need is and whether it is actually worth any
> effort on my part. From what I understand the server was maintained by a
> Softimage dev, that person is now doing other things, the server will be
> replaced and that will be the end and even by "Softimage" standards it has
> no traffic. As far as I see this has turned into just another excuse to
> take pot shots at Autodesk which while they may be fun is not convincing me
> that I really need to do something about this.
> Maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Tél:  514 954-7134<tel:514%20954-7134>
> Cell: 514 242-6549<tel:514%20242-6549>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Schoenberger
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:37 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
>
> |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in Softimage terms...
>
> Right, that website produces only 0.1% traffic of all AD websites.
> Therefore it has to be killed.
>
> Or Autodesk is now part of a secret www group that has the ambition to
> remove outdated websites. As, beside from that website, all other website
> (including the first forum posts on the area) are brand new.
> Imagine all the young artists searching for a Maya issue and accidentally
> reading Softimage help files, that must not happen!
>
> :-)
>
> Holger Schönberger
> technical director
> The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night
>
> |> -Original Message-
> |> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
> |> [softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf  |> Of Morte

Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Patrick Boucher]

Hi Fabian (and others),

This message was brought to my attention and I’d like to let everyone know that 
although I am now working for Shotgun and haven’t touched Softimage (or been in 
production for that matter) in a few years…

*I have no plans to stop hosting SoftimageBlog.*

The site is privately hosted by myself on my own infrastructure and not 
dependent on Autodesk in any way shape or form. You can count on it being there 
as long as you’ll be using Softimage.

Thanks for the continued support throughout the years.

Cheers,
Patrick Boucher

On August 19, 2016 at 8:35:40 AM, Fabian Schnuer Gohde (list@gohde.no) 
wrote:

Speaking of backups, is there any way to make sure http://www.softimageblog.com 
can be viewed locally in the future?

I still find myself there often enough.

Best regards,
Fabian

On 19 August 2016 at 09:51, Morten Bartholdy  wrote:
I have had HTTrack running for approximately 6,5 hours after which it reported: 
"06:32:53 Panic:  Too many URLs, giving up..(>10)"

I have got 2,43 GB worth of Wiki now and upon brief inspection it works 
locally, but the error message and 1,3 GB discrepancy (from the 3,7 GB Patrick 
mentions) indicates it might not be complete...

I hope Maurice and the dev team can find a way to let perhaps Matt host it 
onwards.


//Morten





> Den 18. august 2016 klokken 16:37 skrev Patrick Neese 
> :
>
>
> The wiki is over 3.7gigs with image/video/zips files.  Expect the server to
> be slow as everyone wgets the files :)
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Perry Harovas 
> wrote:
>
> > Ironically, had we had notice that the same thing was going to happen to
> > Softimage itself when Autodesk bought it (the way they informed
> > everyone about Naiad ceasing to continue as a product) there would have
> > been anger but it possibly wouldn't have been quite as volatile,
> > since it would have been honest.
> >
> > Plus, one can't help but find the wording of the below notice as somewhat
> > of an unintended comment on Softimage itself...
> >
> > *"therefore will cease to exist."*
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Olivier Jeannel 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Softimage Mailing List.
> >> To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com
> >> with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Perry Harovas
> > Animation and Visual Effects
> >
> > http://www.TheAfterImage.com 
> >
> > -26 Years Experience
> > -Member of the Visual Effects Society (VES)
> >
> > --
> > Softimage Mailing List.
> > To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm.
> >
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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Morten Bartholdy]

So you would like a showing of hands who still uses Softimage in production and 
are to some degree reliant on having access to help such as the Wiki every now 
and then.

One big hand here! To me this is very real.

And more reliant than ever since this list is getting smaller as people are 
migrating to The Dark Side or other and better alternatives.

//Morten Bartholdy

Den 19. august 2016 klokken 17:05 skrev Maurice Patel 
<maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>:

My problem is I cannot actually gauge whether this is really a serious issue or 
not.
I know quite rightly that people are upset with the EOL of Softimage so I am 
not sure if what is being expressed here is just a reference of that anger 
(which I can do nothing about) or really related to the wiki being a useful 
resource rather than an obsolete website no one visits. There is no point 
trying to save an obsolete website hoping to fix anger at the EOL of Softimage 
because it will not. Anyway I am still researching options including releasing 
the data (if it can be done so in compliance with our privacy rules) to the 
community– I do not know how feasible anything is.
maurice

Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Perry Harovas
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 10:45 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon

So what you are say, Maurice, is because some people have been making
comments that you don't like, or are not constructive, you are going to get
upset and not make an effort to do the right thing?

You either want to do the right thing or you don't.

Your message had the same tone as a parent getting upset with children,
and then acting childish to get back at them.

Everyone is being a bit childish now, but none of the people you are upset with 
started any of this.
It started with Autodesk killing Softimage, and continues with killing the wiki.

You didn't personally "do" any of that, but the company you work for did.
I may have missed it, but I did not see anyone personally insulting you
(and if they did, that was wrong). But your response was as if they did.

Which honestly, and with no malice intended, is not exactly helping the 
situation either.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Maurice Patel 
<maurice.pa...@autodesk.com<maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>> wrote:
OK, I am not getting much rational feedback here and if you are just picking 
apart every word I say with inaccurate speculation it is hard for me to gauge 
how serious the need is and whether it is actually worth any effort on my part. 
From what I understand the server was maintained by a Softimage dev, that 
person is now doing other things, the server will be replaced and that will be 
the end and even by "Softimage" standards it has no traffic. As far as I see 
this has turned into just another excuse to take pot shots at Autodesk which 
while they may be fun is not convincing me that I really need to do something 
about this.
Maurice

Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134<tel:514%20954-7134>
Cell: 514 242-6549<tel:514%20242-6549>

-Original Message-
From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 
[softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
 On Behalf Of Schoenberger
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:37 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon

|> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in Softimage terms...

Right, that website produces only 0.1% traffic of all AD websites.
Therefore it has to be killed.

Or Autodesk is now part of a secret www group that has the ambition to remove 
outdated websites. As, beside from that website, all other website (including 
the first forum posts on the area) are brand new.
Imagine all the young artists searching for a Maya issue and accidentally 
reading Softimage help files, that must not happen!

:-)

Holger Schönberger
technical director
The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night

|> -Original Message-
|> From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
|> 
[softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
 On Behalf  |> Of Morten Bartholdy  |> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 5:03 PM  
|> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>  |> 
Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon  |>  |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be 
many in Softimage terms...
|>
|> To me it is invaluable to be able to find info on the odd  |> tool or 
functionality every now and then, but I don't visit  |> the Wiki when I don't 
need it. I will be using Softimage  |> for years to come, as Maya, though 
transforming and  |> improving

Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Francois Lord]

 

Softimageblog.com is managed by Patrick Boucher. I know he thought
about closing this site several times in the past years. But I convinced
him not to. 

I sent him an email about the current matter. We'll see
how he reacts. 

F 

On 2016-08-19 08:35, Fabian Schnuer Gohde wrote:


> Speaking of backups, is there any way to make sure
http://www.softimageblog.com [11] can be viewed locally in the future?

> I still find myself there often enough. 
> Best regards,
> Fabian 
>

> On 19 August 2016 at 09:51, Morten Bartholdy  wrote:
> 
>> I have had HTTrack running for approximately 6,5
hours after which it reported: "06:32:53 Panic: Too many URLs, giving
up..(>10)"
>> 
>> I have got 2,43 GB worth of Wiki now and upon
brief inspection it works locally, but the error message and 1,3 GB
discrepancy (from the 3,7 GB Patrick mentions) indicates it might not be
complete...
>> 
>> I hope Maurice and the dev team can find a way to let
perhaps Matt host it onwards.
>> 
>> //Morten
>> 
>> > Den 18. august
2016 klokken 16:37 skrev Patrick Neese :
>>
>
>> >
>> > The wiki is over 3.7gigs with image/video/zips files. Expect
the server to
>> > be slow as everyone wgets the files :)
>> >
>> > On
Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Perry Harovas 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Ironically, had we had notice that the same
thing was going to happen to
>> > > Softimage itself when Autodesk
bought it (the way they informed
>> > > everyone about Naiad ceasing to
continue as a product) there would have
>> > > been anger but it
possibly wouldn't have been quite as volatile,
>> > > since it would
have been honest.
>> > >
>> > > Plus, one can't help but find the
wording of the below notice as somewhat
>> > > of an unintended comment
on Softimage itself...
>> > >
>>> > *"therefore will cease to
exist."*
>>> >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Olivier
Jeannel 
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>
http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page [4]
>> >
>>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>>> >> --
>> > >> Softimage Mailing List.
>> > >>
To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com
[5]
>> > >> with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm.
>>
> >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>
>> > > Perry Harovas
>> > > Animation and Visual Effects
>> > >
>>> >
http://www.TheAfterImage.com [6] 
>>>
>
>> > > -26 Years Experience
>> > > -Member of the Visual Effects
Society (VES)
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Softimage Mailing List.
>> > >
To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com
[8]
>> > > with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm.
>> >
>
>> 
>>> --
>> > Softimage Mailing List.
>> > To unsubscribe, send
a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com [9] with "unsubscribe"
in the subject, and reply to confirm.
>> --
>> Softimage Mailing
List.
>> To unsubscribe, send a mail to
softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com [10] with "unsubscribe" in the
subject, and reply to confirm.

 

Links:
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[2] mailto:perryharo...@gmail.com
[3]
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[4]
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[5]
mailto:softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com
[6]
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[7] http://www.theafterimage.com/
[8]
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[9]
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[10]
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Perry Harovas]

Thank you for looking into it, Maurice.
I honestly am sure just you doing that is appreciated.

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Maurice Patel <maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>
wrote:

> My problem is I cannot actually gauge whether this is really a serious
> issue or not.
> I know quite rightly that people are upset with the EOL of Softimage so I
> am not sure if what is being expressed here is just a reference of that
> anger (which I can do nothing about) or really related to the wiki being a
> useful resource rather than an obsolete website no one visits. There is no
> point trying to save an obsolete website hoping to fix anger at the EOL of
> Softimage because it will not. Anyway I am still researching options
> including releasing the data (if it can be done so in compliance with our
> privacy rules) to the community– I do not know how feasible anything is.
> maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Tél:  514 954-7134
> Cell: 514 242-6549
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-bounces@
> listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Perry Harovas
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 10:45 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon
>
> So what you are say, Maurice, is because some people have been making
> comments that you don't like, or are not constructive, you are going to get
> upset and not make an effort to do the right thing?
>
> You either want to do the right thing or you don't.
>
> Your message had the same tone as a parent getting upset with children,
> and then acting childish to get back at them.
>
> Everyone is being a bit childish now, but none of the people you are upset
> with started any of this.
> It started with Autodesk killing Softimage, and continues with killing the
> wiki.
>
> You didn't personally "do" any of that, but the company you work for did.
> I may have missed it, but I did not see anyone personally insulting you
> (and if they did, that was wrong). But your response was as if they did.
>
> Which honestly, and with no malice intended, is not exactly helping the
> situation either.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Maurice Patel <maurice.pa...@autodesk.com
> <mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>> wrote:
> OK, I am not getting much rational feedback here and if you are just
> picking apart every word I say with inaccurate speculation it is hard for
> me to gauge how serious the need is and whether it is actually worth any
> effort on my part. From what I understand the server was maintained by a
> Softimage dev, that person is now doing other things, the server will be
> replaced and that will be the end and even by "Softimage" standards it has
> no traffic. As far as I see this has turned into just another excuse to
> take pot shots at Autodesk which while they may be fun is not convincing me
> that I really need to do something about this.
> Maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Tél:  514 954-7134<tel:514%20954-7134>
> Cell: 514 242-6549<tel:514%20242-6549>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-
> boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimage-bounces@
> listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On
> Behalf Of Schoenberger
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:37 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> >
> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
>
>
>  |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in Softimage terms...
>
> Right, that website produces only 0.1% traffic of all AD websites.
> Therefore it has to be killed.
>
> Or Autodesk is now part of a secret www group that has the ambition to
> remove outdated websites. As, beside from that website, all other website
> (including the first forum posts on the area) are brand new.
> Imagine all the young artists searching for a Maya issue and accidentally
> reading Softimage help files, that must not happen!
>
> :-)
>
>
>
> Holger Schönberger
> technical director
> The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night
>
>
>
>  |> -Original Message-
>  |> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-
> boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>  |> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com oftimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf  |> Of Morten
> Bartholdy  |> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 5:03 PM  |> To:
> softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
> |> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon  |>  |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could
> be many in Softimage terms...
>  |>
>  |> To me 

RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Maurice Patel]

My problem is I cannot actually gauge whether this is really a serious issue or 
not.
I know quite rightly that people are upset with the EOL of Softimage so I am 
not sure if what is being expressed here is just a reference of that anger 
(which I can do nothing about) or really related to the wiki being a useful 
resource rather than an obsolete website no one visits. There is no point 
trying to save an obsolete website hoping to fix anger at the EOL of Softimage 
because it will not. Anyway I am still researching options including releasing 
the data (if it can be done so in compliance with our privacy rules) to the 
community– I do not know how feasible anything is.
maurice

Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Perry Harovas
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 10:45 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon

So what you are say, Maurice, is because some people have been making
comments that you don't like, or are not constructive, you are going to get
upset and not make an effort to do the right thing?

You either want to do the right thing or you don't.

Your message had the same tone as a parent getting upset with children,
and then acting childish to get back at them.

Everyone is being a bit childish now, but none of the people you are upset with 
started any of this.
It started with Autodesk killing Softimage, and continues with killing the wiki.

You didn't personally "do" any of that, but the company you work for did.
I may have missed it, but I did not see anyone personally insulting you
(and if they did, that was wrong). But your response was as if they did.

Which honestly, and with no malice intended, is not exactly helping the 
situation either.



On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Maurice Patel 
<maurice.pa...@autodesk.com<mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>> wrote:
OK, I am not getting much rational feedback here and if you are just picking 
apart every word I say with inaccurate speculation it is hard for me to gauge 
how serious the need is and whether it is actually worth any effort on my part. 
From what I understand the server was maintained by a Softimage dev, that 
person is now doing other things, the server will be replaced and that will be 
the end and even by "Softimage" standards it has no traffic. As far as I see 
this has turned into just another excuse to take pot shots at Autodesk which 
while they may be fun is not convincing me that I really need to do something 
about this.
Maurice

Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134<tel:514%20954-7134>
Cell: 514 242-6549<tel:514%20242-6549>

-Original Message-
From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
 On Behalf Of Schoenberger
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:37 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon


 |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in Softimage terms...

Right, that website produces only 0.1% traffic of all AD websites.
Therefore it has to be killed.

Or Autodesk is now part of a secret www group that has the ambition to remove 
outdated websites. As, beside from that website, all other website (including 
the first forum posts on the area) are brand new.
Imagine all the young artists searching for a Maya issue and accidentally 
reading Softimage help files, that must not happen!

:-)



Holger Schönberger
technical director
The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night



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 |> 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>]
 On Behalf  |> Of Morten Bartholdy  |> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 5:03 PM  
|> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>  
|> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon  |>  |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be 
many in Softimage terms...
 |>
 |> To me it is invaluable to be able to find info on the odd  |> tool or 
functionality every now and then, but I don't visit  |> the Wiki when I don't 
need it. I will be using Softimage  |> for years to come, as Maya, though 
transforming and  |> improving, is still not a good replacement, and I can get 
a  |> lot more work done in a hurry with Softimage.
 |>
 |> //Morten


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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Perry Harovas]

So what you are say, Maurice, is because some people have been making
comments that you don't like, or are not constructive, you are going to get
upset and not make an effort to do the right thing?

You either want to do the right thing or you don't.

Your message had the same tone as a parent getting upset with children,
and then acting childish to get back at them.

Everyone is being a bit childish now, but none of the people you are upset
with started any of this.
It started with Autodesk killing Softimage, and continues with killing the
wiki.

You didn't personally "do" any of that, but the company you work for did.
I may have missed it, but I did not see anyone personally insulting you
(and if they did, that was wrong). But your response was as if they *did*.

Which honestly, and with no malice intended, is not exactly helping the
situation either.



On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Maurice Patel <maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>
wrote:

> OK, I am not getting much rational feedback here and if you are just
> picking apart every word I say with inaccurate speculation it is hard for
> me to gauge how serious the need is and whether it is actually worth any
> effort on my part. From what I understand the server was maintained by a
> Softimage dev, that person is now doing other things, the server will be
> replaced and that will be the end and even by "Softimage" standards it has
> no traffic. As far as I see this has turned into just another excuse to
> take pot shots at Autodesk which while they may be fun is not convincing me
> that I really need to do something about this.
> Maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Tél:  514 954-7134
> Cell: 514 242-6549
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Schoenberger
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:37 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
>
>
>  |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in Softimage terms...
>
> Right, that website produces only 0.1% traffic of all AD websites.
> Therefore it has to be killed.
>
> Or Autodesk is now part of a secret www group that has the ambition to
> remove outdated websites. As, beside from that website, all other website
> (including the first forum posts on the area) are brand new.
> Imagine all the young artists searching for a Maya issue and accidentally
> reading Softimage help files, that must not happen!
>
> :-)
>
>
>
> Holger Schönberger
> technical director
> The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night
>
>
>
>  |> -Original Message-
>  |> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
>  |> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf  |> Of
> Morten Bartholdy  |> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 5:03 PM  |> To:
> softimage@listproc.autodesk.com  |> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon  |>  |>
> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in Softimage terms...
>  |>
>  |> To me it is invaluable to be able to find info on the odd  |> tool or
> functionality every now and then, but I don't visit  |> the Wiki when I
> don't need it. I will be using Softimage  |> for years to come, as Maya,
> though transforming and  |> improving, is still not a good replacement, and
> I can get a  |> lot more work done in a hurry with Softimage.
>  |>
>  |> //Morten
>
>
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Mirko Jankovic]

Softimage department at AD? That was killed the day it was SI was bought,
actually I don't think it was ever formed at all... for real
ᐧ

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Schoenberger <x...@digidragon.de> wrote:

>
> Sorry that I made a joke about it. But This does not mean that this wiki
> is not an important place in case you have an issue with
> Softimage.
>
> Let me explain:
> >From the experience with Autodesk, the Softimage user are always
> confronted with a made decision. Made by people who have little or
> no connection to Softimage and their user base. This time, it is "The Wiki
> will be dead". Instead of reaching out and asking this
> Softimage group if the wiki is still important and useful, an admins check
> the traffic and decides this it is not important any
> more.
> The Wiki is not used for the every day job, it is used if we hit a wall
> and need help. Therefore it does not produce that much
> ammount of traffic.
>
> As you have seen it is still important this and then. And with that in
> mind, we (Autodesk and the users) could have found a way.
> Instead it is another "Live with it" notice. And now, users think again
> they are on their own and start downloading the website page
> by page with tools.
> And as I think that we can not influence anything at Autodesk regarding
> Softimage, I prefer some gallows humor.
>
>
>
> Some questions and more background:
> Did the admin reach out to the Softimage departement to ask if the wiki
> can be shut down?
> I could not assume that an admin will remove a website without asking the
> responsible departement, does he?
> And the Softimage departement, did they know that the wiki means? If they
> do not know, why don't they ask us? Because a dead
> software does not require any websites? Another of these "Softimage is
> dead and therefore " decisions that we have to struggle with
> since years.
>
> Softimage users have tried to influence Autodesk right from the beginning.
> When Softimage was bought by Autodesk, many customers
> have not continued their maintenence, because they did not know what will
> happen. Will it be another app that gets killed like some
> others have already been? Or will it continue and rise? They waited to see
> at least some signs if Autodesk will support Softimage
> and continue for exampple the road map for ICE. Instead we heard that AD
> build up a new non-SI-experienced dev group in Singapore.
>
> At that time Softimage users have tried to get in contact with Autodesk
> and tried that Softimage will be seen as one of the 3 3D
> applications at Autodesk. But we failed. All flyers had Maya and 3dsmax
> only. The main AD website has not listed Softimage beside
> 3dsmax and Maya. And so on...
>
> Sorry that we have lost faith that Autodesk will be doing something in the
> interest of Softimage users.
>
>
>
> Holger Schönberger
> technical director
> The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night
>
>
>
>  |> -Original Message-
>  |> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
>  |> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf
>  |> Of Maurice Patel
>  |> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 8:25 PM
>  |> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>  |> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
>  |>
>  |> OK, I am not getting much rational feedback here and if you
>  |> are just picking apart every word I say with inaccurate
>  |> speculation it is hard for me to gauge how serious the need
>  |> is and whether it is actually worth any effort on my part.
>  |> From what I understand the server was maintained by a
>  |> Softimage dev, that person is now doing other things, the
>  |> server will be replaced and that will be the end and even
>  |> by "Softimage" standards it has no traffic. As far as I see
>  |> this has turned into just another excuse to take pot shots
>  |> at Autodesk which while they may be fun is not convincing
>  |> me that I really need to do something about this.
>  |> Maurice
>  |>
>  |> Maurice Patel
>  |> Tél:  514 954-7134
>  |> Cell: 514 242-6549
>  |>
>  |>
>  |> -Original Message-
>  |> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
>  |> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf
>  |> Of Schoenberger
>  |> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:37 PM
>  |> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>  |> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
>  |>
>  |>
>  |>  |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in
>  |> Softimage terms...
>  |>
>  |> Right, that website produces only 0.1% traffic of al

RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Schoenberger]

Sorry that I made a joke about it. But This does not mean that this wiki is not 
an important place in case you have an issue with
Softimage.

Let me explain:
>From the experience with Autodesk, the Softimage user are always confronted 
>with a made decision. Made by people who have little or
no connection to Softimage and their user base. This time, it is "The Wiki will 
be dead". Instead of reaching out and asking this
Softimage group if the wiki is still important and useful, an admins check the 
traffic and decides this it is not important any
more.
The Wiki is not used for the every day job, it is used if we hit a wall and 
need help. Therefore it does not produce that much
ammount of traffic.

As you have seen it is still important this and then. And with that in mind, we 
(Autodesk and the users) could have found a way.
Instead it is another "Live with it" notice. And now, users think again they 
are on their own and start downloading the website page
by page with tools.
And as I think that we can not influence anything at Autodesk regarding 
Softimage, I prefer some gallows humor.



Some questions and more background:
Did the admin reach out to the Softimage departement to ask if the wiki can be 
shut down?
I could not assume that an admin will remove a website without asking the 
responsible departement, does he?
And the Softimage departement, did they know that the wiki means? If they do 
not know, why don't they ask us? Because a dead
software does not require any websites? Another of these "Softimage is dead and 
therefore " decisions that we have to struggle with
since years.

Softimage users have tried to influence Autodesk right from the beginning. When 
Softimage was bought by Autodesk, many customers
have not continued their maintenence, because they did not know what will 
happen. Will it be another app that gets killed like some
others have already been? Or will it continue and rise? They waited to see at 
least some signs if Autodesk will support Softimage
and continue for exampple the road map for ICE. Instead we heard that AD build 
up a new non-SI-experienced dev group in Singapore.

At that time Softimage users have tried to get in contact with Autodesk and 
tried that Softimage will be seen as one of the 3 3D
applications at Autodesk. But we failed. All flyers had Maya and 3dsmax only. 
The main AD website has not listed Softimage beside
3dsmax and Maya. And so on...

Sorry that we have lost faith that Autodesk will be doing something in the 
interest of Softimage users.



Holger Schönberger
technical director
The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night



 |> -Original Message-
 |> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 |> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf
 |> Of Maurice Patel
 |> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 8:25 PM
 |> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
 |> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
 |>
 |> OK, I am not getting much rational feedback here and if you
 |> are just picking apart every word I say with inaccurate
 |> speculation it is hard for me to gauge how serious the need
 |> is and whether it is actually worth any effort on my part.
 |> From what I understand the server was maintained by a
 |> Softimage dev, that person is now doing other things, the
 |> server will be replaced and that will be the end and even
 |> by "Softimage" standards it has no traffic. As far as I see
 |> this has turned into just another excuse to take pot shots
 |> at Autodesk which while they may be fun is not convincing
 |> me that I really need to do something about this.
 |> Maurice
 |>
 |> Maurice Patel
 |> Tél:  514 954-7134
 |> Cell: 514 242-6549
 |>
 |>
 |> -Original Message-
 |> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 |> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf
 |> Of Schoenberger
 |> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:37 PM
 |> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
 |> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
 |>
 |>
 |>  |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in
 |> Softimage terms...
 |>
 |> Right, that website produces only 0.1% traffic of all
 |> AD websites.
 |> Therefore it has to be killed.
 |>
 |> Or Autodesk is now part of a secret www group that has the
 |> ambition to remove outdated websites. As, beside from that
 |> website, all other website (including the first forum posts
 |> on the area) are brand new.
 |> Imagine all the young artists searching for a Maya issue
 |> and accidentally reading Softimage help files, that must not happen!
 |>
 |> :-)
 |>
 |>
 |>
 |> Holger Schönberger
 |> technical director
 |> The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take
 |> the night
 |>
 |>
 |>
 |>  |> -Original Message-
 |>  |> Fr

Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Fabian Schnuer Gohde]

Speaking of backups, is there any way to make sure
http://www.softimageblog.com can be viewed locally in the future?

I still find myself there often enough.

Best regards,
Fabian

On 19 August 2016 at 09:51, Morten Bartholdy  wrote:

> I have had HTTrack running for approximately 6,5 hours after which it
> reported: "06:32:53 Panic:  Too many URLs, giving up..(>10)"
>
> I have got 2,43 GB worth of Wiki now and upon brief inspection it works
> locally, but the error message and 1,3 GB discrepancy (from the 3,7 GB
> Patrick mentions) indicates it might not be complete...
>
> I hope Maurice and the dev team can find a way to let perhaps Matt host it
> onwards.
>
>
> //Morten
>
>
>
>
>
> > Den 18. august 2016 klokken 16:37 skrev Patrick Neese <
> patrickne...@gmail.com>:
> >
> >
> > The wiki is over 3.7gigs with image/video/zips files.  Expect the server
> to
> > be slow as everyone wgets the files :)
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Perry Harovas 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Ironically, had we had notice that the same thing was going to happen
> to
> > > Softimage itself when Autodesk bought it (the way they informed
> > > everyone about Naiad ceasing to continue as a product) there would have
> > > been anger but it possibly wouldn't have been quite as volatile,
> > > since it would have been honest.
> > >
> > > Plus, one can't help but find the wording of the below notice as
> somewhat
> > > of an unintended comment on Softimage itself...
> > >
> > > *"therefore will cease to exist."*
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Olivier Jeannel <
> facialdel...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Perry Harovas
> > > Animation and Visual Effects
> > >
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> > >
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Morten Bartholdy]

I have had HTTrack running for approximately 6,5 hours after which it reported: 
"06:32:53 Panic:  Too many URLs, giving up..(>10)"

I have got 2,43 GB worth of Wiki now and upon brief inspection it works 
locally, but the error message and 1,3 GB discrepancy (from the 3,7 GB Patrick 
mentions) indicates it might not be complete...

I hope Maurice and the dev team can find a way to let perhaps Matt host it 
onwards.


//Morten





> Den 18. august 2016 klokken 16:37 skrev Patrick Neese 
> :
> 
> 
> The wiki is over 3.7gigs with image/video/zips files.  Expect the server to
> be slow as everyone wgets the files :)
> 
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Perry Harovas 
> wrote:
> 
> > Ironically, had we had notice that the same thing was going to happen to
> > Softimage itself when Autodesk bought it (the way they informed
> > everyone about Naiad ceasing to continue as a product) there would have
> > been anger but it possibly wouldn't have been quite as volatile,
> > since it would have been honest.
> >
> > Plus, one can't help but find the wording of the below notice as somewhat
> > of an unintended comment on Softimage itself...
> >
> > *"therefore will cease to exist."*
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Olivier Jeannel 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >> with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Perry Harovas
> > Animation and Visual Effects
> >
> > http://www.TheAfterImage.com 
> >
> > -26 Years Experience
> > -Member of the Visual Effects Society (VES)
> >
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Morten Bartholdy]

That is very generous of you Matt. I hope it will be possible.

Maurice, I understand your resentment/frustration over bitter remarks made 
here, but try see it from our perspective. Again Autodesk is removing a tool 
which is very valuable to a great number of os - low traffic or not. And it 
seems it would do little to no harm to Autodesk to just keep that server 
running or copy the Wiki to a new server, if yuo need to replace hardware or 
set it up elsewhere.

We have known about Softimage EOL for some years now, but it has definately not 
made me any more happy about Autodesks decision, and having started learning 
Maya, I am beginning to grasp just how lucky I have been having chosen to use 
Softimage instead, that is until you guys decided to stop the fun and make 3D 
tedious again.

Rescentment aside, I appreciate all your efforts on this list to try and help 
us out Maurice. It goes to show that the people employed at Autodesk are not 
always representative of the Autodesk corporate position - you guys are human 
and oftentimes nice guys :)

Best regards
Morten Bartholdy





> Den 18. august 2016 klokken 22:51 skrev Matt Lind :
> 
> 
> Addendum:
> 
> I recently renewed my web hosting for 3 more years.  I can host the 
> softimage wiki if a package and installation instructions are provided as 
> the disc space and traffic are well within my hosting plans limits.
> 
> 
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Matt Lind]

Addendum:

I recently renewed my web hosting for 3 more years.  I can host the 
softimage wiki if a package and installation instructions are provided as 
the disc space and traffic are well within my hosting plans limits.


Matt

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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Matt Lind]

To be fair, Autodesk has demonstrated a consistent lack of forethought for 
things concerning Softimage customers over the years.  Instead of being 
honest, they've been opaque.  Instead of being pro-active and thinking in 
terms of customer service like any good reputable company, the actions taken 
have leaned more towards company's interests, and only responding to 
customers when they complain.  There's nothing wrong with discontinuing a 
wiki, but the way it was handled was pretty much a hands-off non-customer 
oriented fashion like everything else.  Basically, Autodesk hasn't 
demonstrated it has learned the lesson that keeps getting raised by 
customers time after time.  That's why the so called pot shots continue.

Much of the wiki's content should've been part of the user guides as primary 
information that ships with the application.  For example, details on how to 
write operators in the C++ SDK.  This is fairly important information for 
developers, but there is exactly zero information in the SDK guides that 
explain port connections and how they affect operator behavior and 
interfacing with the application.  The wiki is the only place that contains 
such information.  Why?  Answer: the wiki was treated as a dumping ground 
for information that didn't make the shipping deadline of a particular 
release.  What should've been done as regular practice is for someone to go 
through that wiki after each release and flag articles to be folded into the 
user guides for the next release or service pack, but that never happened.

As for the low wiki web traffic - I can say in all honesty I keep forgetting 
the wiki even exists because it's not a main traffic area of the 
application.  I do believe the information in the wiki is very valuable to 
users, but because it's on the sidelines out of view, it's always an 
afterthought to consider.  I often don't think of consulting the wiki until 
I've already gone down a deep path of troubleshooting or trial and error 
when trying something new.  Then it's a 'duh' moment epiphany that reminds 
me the wiki exists, so I go there, and sure enough some important bits of 
information to resolve my issue are there.  I'm sure many other customers 
are in the same boat.  It's not due to lack of interest, it's due to lack of 
organization of information.

Rather than have all the customers try to simultaneously crawl the wiki and 
try to download it.  It would be much more practical if somebody from 
Autodesk would package it up and localize all the links and content so it 
can be downloaded and installed locally on one's computer much like the user 
guides are made as downloaded local installs of HTML documentation. 
Honestly, this should've been done at time of retirement, or at the very 
least, when support officially ended a few months ago.  If there are other 
loose ends out there, I would suggest looking into doing the same for them.

Matt





Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 18:25:00 +
From: Maurice Patel <maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com"

OK, I am not getting much rational feedback here and if you are just picking 
apart every word I say with inaccurate speculation it is hard for me to 
gauge how serious the need is and whether it is actually worth any effort on 
my part. From what I understand the server was maintained by a Softimage 
dev, that person is now doing other things, the server will be replaced and 
that will be the end and even by "Softimage" standards it has no traffic. As 
far as I see this has turned into just another excuse to take pot shots at 
Autodesk which while they may be fun is not convincing me that I really need 
to do something about this.
Maurice

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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Maurice Patel]

OK, I am not getting much rational feedback here and if you are just picking 
apart every word I say with inaccurate speculation it is hard for me to gauge 
how serious the need is and whether it is actually worth any effort on my part. 
From what I understand the server was maintained by a Softimage dev, that 
person is now doing other things, the server will be replaced and that will be 
the end and even by "Softimage" standards it has no traffic. As far as I see 
this has turned into just another excuse to take pot shots at Autodesk which 
while they may be fun is not convincing me that I really need to do something 
about this.
Maurice

Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549


-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Schoenberger
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:37 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon


 |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in Softimage terms...

Right, that website produces only 0.1% traffic of all AD websites.
Therefore it has to be killed.

Or Autodesk is now part of a secret www group that has the ambition to remove 
outdated websites. As, beside from that website, all other website (including 
the first forum posts on the area) are brand new.
Imagine all the young artists searching for a Maya issue and accidentally 
reading Softimage help files, that must not happen!

:-)



Holger Schönberger
technical director
The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night



 |> -Original Message-
 |> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 |> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf  |> Of Morten 
Bartholdy  |> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 5:03 PM  |> To: 
softimage@listproc.autodesk.com  |> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon  |>  |> Almost 
nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in Softimage terms...
 |>
 |> To me it is invaluable to be able to find info on the odd  |> tool or 
functionality every now and then, but I don't visit  |> the Wiki when I don't 
need it. I will be using Softimage  |> for years to come, as Maya, though 
transforming and  |> improving, is still not a good replacement, and I can get 
a  |> lot more work done in a hurry with Softimage.
 |>
 |> //Morten


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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Schoenberger]

 |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in Softimage terms...

Right, that website produces only 0.1% traffic of all AD websites.
Therefore it has to be killed.

Or Autodesk is now part of a secret www group that has the ambition to remove 
outdated websites. As, beside from that website, all
other website (including the first forum posts on the area) are brand new.
Imagine all the young artists searching for a Maya issue and accidentally 
reading Softimage help files, that must not happen!

:-)



Holger Schönberger
technical director
The day has 24 hours, if that does not suffice, I will take the night



 |> -Original Message-
 |> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
 |> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf
 |> Of Morten Bartholdy
 |> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 5:03 PM
 |> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
 |> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
 |>
 |> Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in Softimage terms...
 |>
 |> To me it is invaluable to be able to find info on the odd
 |> tool or functionality every now and then, but I don't visit
 |> the Wiki when I don't need it. I will be using Softimage
 |> for years to come, as Maya, though transforming and
 |> improving, is still not a good replacement, and I can get a
 |> lot more work done in a hurry with Softimage.
 |>
 |> //Morten


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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Morten Bartholdy]

Almost nobody in Autodesk terms could be many in Softimage terms...

To me it is invaluable to be able to find info on the odd tool or functionality 
every now and then, but I don't visit the Wiki when I don't need it. I will be 
using Softimage for years to come, as Maya, though transforming and improving, 
is still not a good replacement, and I can get a lot more work done in a hurry 
with Softimage.

//Morten



> Den 18. august 2016 klokken 15:40 skrev Maurice Patel 
> <maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>:
> 
> 
> Look guys I am not an expert in IT. The wiki was hosted on a dev server and 
> not part of Autodesk’s main IT systems so I can’t go to IT with the problem. 
> I am working with the dev team to see what can be done. At the same time, the 
> reason the team wants to retire it is because almost no-one goes there 
> anymore.
> 
> Maurice Patel
> Tél:  514 954-7134
> Cell: 514 242-6549
> 
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Brent McPherson
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 3:23 AM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
> 
> You should be able to snag a copy of the site using wget and it will probably 
> be more functional than a backup since wget will convert all the embedded 
> page links etc.
> 
> https://www.guyrutenberg.com/2014/05/02/make-offline-mirror-of-a-site-using-wget/
> 
> Cheers!
> --
> Brent
> 
> From: 
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>  [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andres Stephens
> Sent: 17 August 2016 20:24
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
> 
> A local copy was the right word! Sorry. I panicked.
> 
> -Draise
> 
> From: Maurice Patel<mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>
> Sent: 17 August 2016 14:00
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
> 
> HI,
> I am not sure what you mean by a physical copy but the wayback machine 
> typically keeps archives of old sites which provides  a certain level of 
> availability but not all.
> If you need anything it may be best to save a local copy to your machine 
> before November
> maurice
> 
> 
> Maurice Patel
> Tél:  514 954-7134
> Cell: 514 242-6549
> 
> From: 
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>  [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andres Stephens
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:48 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon
> 
> 
> Crap crap crap. Where can we download a physical copy?
> 
> -Draise
> 
> +57 3138116821
> Bogotá, Colombia
> On 17 Aug 2016, at 12:57, Olivier Jeannel 
> <facialdel...@gmail.com<mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com<mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com%3cmailto:facialdel...@gmail.com>>>
>  wrote:
> http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
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> [http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/skins/monobook/media/si/ACG_Wiki_a_head_banner_lft.png]
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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Morten Bartholdy]

HTTrack is really easy to use it seems, but the download is slow. We have 
plenty of speed here but so far it has taken 6 hours to get around 500+ MB and 
it isn't done yet.

I get a download speed of 25 KB/sec :/

//Morten



> Den 18. august 2016 klokken 16:09 skrev Brent McPherson 
> <brent.mcpher...@autodesk.com>:
> 
> 
> Probably the comment that says use HTTrack because it is better.
> 
> So try wget or HTTrack or both. :-)
> 
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Greg Punchatz
> Sent: 18 August 2016 14:27
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon
> 
> Matt, Which comment are you referring to ?
> 
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 2:44 AM, Matt Lind 
> <speye...@hotmail.com<mailto:speye...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> Interesting first comment at the bottom of the page.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 07:23:01 +
> From: Brent McPherson 
> <brent.mcpher...@autodesk.com<mailto:brent.mcpher...@autodesk.com>>
> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
> To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>"
> 
> You should be able to snag a copy of the site using wget and it will
> probably be more functional than a backup since wget will convert all the
> embedded page links etc.
> 
> https://www.guyrutenberg.com/2014/05/02/make-offline-mirror-of-a-site-using-wget/
> 
> Cheers!
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Patrick Neese]

The wiki is over 3.7gigs with image/video/zips files.  Expect the server to
be slow as everyone wgets the files :)

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Perry Harovas 
wrote:

> Ironically, had we had notice that the same thing was going to happen to
> Softimage itself when Autodesk bought it (the way they informed
> everyone about Naiad ceasing to continue as a product) there would have
> been anger but it possibly wouldn't have been quite as volatile,
> since it would have been honest.
>
> Plus, one can't help but find the wording of the below notice as somewhat
> of an unintended comment on Softimage itself...
>
> *"therefore will cease to exist."*
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Olivier Jeannel 
> wrote:
>
>> http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
>>
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Perry Harovas]

Ironically, had we had notice that the same thing was going to happen to
Softimage itself when Autodesk bought it (the way they informed
everyone about Naiad ceasing to continue as a product) there would have
been anger but it possibly wouldn't have been quite as volatile,
since it would have been honest.

Plus, one can't help but find the wording of the below notice as somewhat
of an unintended comment on Softimage itself...

*"therefore will cease to exist."*


On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Olivier Jeannel 
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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Brent McPherson]

Probably the comment that says use HTTrack because it is better.

So try wget or HTTrack or both. :-)

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Greg Punchatz
Sent: 18 August 2016 14:27
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon

Matt, Which comment are you referring to ?

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 2:44 AM, Matt Lind 
<speye...@hotmail.com<mailto:speye...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Interesting first comment at the bottom of the page.

Matt




Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 07:23:01 +
From: Brent McPherson 
<brent.mcpher...@autodesk.com<mailto:brent.mcpher...@autodesk.com>>
Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>"

You should be able to snag a copy of the site using wget and it will
probably be more functional than a backup since wget will convert all the
embedded page links etc.

https://www.guyrutenberg.com/2014/05/02/make-offline-mirror-of-a-site-using-wget/

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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Maurice Patel]

Look guys I am not an expert in IT. The wiki was hosted on a dev server and not 
part of Autodesk’s main IT systems so I can’t go to IT with the problem. I am 
working with the dev team to see what can be done. At the same time, the reason 
the team wants to retire it is because almost no-one goes there anymore.

Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Brent McPherson
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 3:23 AM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon

You should be able to snag a copy of the site using wget and it will probably 
be more functional than a backup since wget will convert all the embedded page 
links etc.

https://www.guyrutenberg.com/2014/05/02/make-offline-mirror-of-a-site-using-wget/

Cheers!
--
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From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andres Stephens
Sent: 17 August 2016 20:24
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon

A local copy was the right word! Sorry. I panicked.

-Draise

From: Maurice Patel<mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>
Sent: 17 August 2016 14:00
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon

HI,
I am not sure what you mean by a physical copy but the wayback machine 
typically keeps archives of old sites which provides  a certain level of 
availability but not all.
If you need anything it may be best to save a local copy to your machine before 
November
maurice


Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549

From: 
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 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andres Stephens
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:48 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon


Crap crap crap. Where can we download a physical copy?

-Draise

+57 3138116821
Bogotá, Colombia
On 17 Aug 2016, at 12:57, Olivier Jeannel 
<facialdel...@gmail.com<mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com<mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com%3cmailto:facialdel...@gmail.com>>>
 wrote:
http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

[http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/skins/monobook/media/si/ACG_Wiki_a_head_banner_lft.png]

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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Greg Punchatz]

Matt, Which comment are you referring to ?

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 2:44 AM, Matt Lind <speye...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting first comment at the bottom of the page.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 07:23:01 +
> From: Brent McPherson <brent.mcpher...@autodesk.com>
> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
> To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com"
>
> You should be able to snag a copy of the site using wget and it will
> probably be more functional than a backup since wget will convert all the
> embedded page links etc.
>
> https://www.guyrutenberg.com/2014/05/02/make-offline-
> mirror-of-a-site-using-wget/
>
> Cheers!
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Rob Wuijster]

I've used that one in the past, and is actually quite good.
But most of these apps cannot deal with database driven websites though.

Rob

\/-\/\/

On 18-8-2016 10:38, Morten Bartholdy wrote:

And there is this:

http://www.httrack.com/


Morten



Den 18. august 2016 klokken 09:23 skrev Brent McPherson 
<brent.mcpher...@autodesk.com>:


You should be able to snag a copy of the site using wget and it will probably 
be more functional than a backup since wget will convert all the embedded page 
links etc.

https://www.guyrutenberg.com/2014/05/02/make-offline-mirror-of-a-site-using-wget/

Cheers!
--
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From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andres Stephens
Sent: 17 August 2016 20:24
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon

A local copy was the right word! Sorry. I panicked.

-Draise

From: Maurice Patel<mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>
Sent: 17 August 2016 14:00
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon

HI,
I am not sure what you mean by a physical copy but the wayback machine 
typically keeps archives of old sites which provides  a certain level of 
availability but not all.
If you need anything it may be best to save a local copy to your machine before 
November
maurice


Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549

From: 
softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andres Stephens
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:48 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon


Crap crap crap. Where can we download a physical copy?

-Draise

+57 3138116821
Bogotá, Colombia
On 17 Aug 2016, at 12:57, Olivier Jeannel 
<facialdel...@gmail.com<mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com<mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com%3cmailto:facialdel...@gmail.com>>>
 wrote:
http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

[http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/skins/monobook/media/si/ACG_Wiki_a_head_banner_lft.png]

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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Morten Bartholdy]

Out of curiosity - as it is hardly taking any time for AD employees and hardly 
any ressources compared to what else AD supports, why not just keep it running 
Maurice?

//Morten Bartholdy



> Den 17. august 2016 klokken 22:17 skrev Maurice Patel 
> <maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>:
> 
> 
> I have asked if we can look into this and got a first response. Apparently it 
> is non-trivial as the site enabled users to create accounts and there are 
> some privacy issues around publishing the data as is. I can't promise 
> anything but we are looking into what is feasible.
> maurice
> 
> Maurice Patel
> Tél:  514 954-7134
> Cell: 514 242-6549
> 
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andy Nicholas
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 3:13 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon
> 
> Hi Maurice,
> Is it conceivable that Autodesk would be willing to backup the wiki according 
> to the instructions found here: 
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
> 
> and then provide that data to an individual in the community to host on their 
> own publicly available server?
> 
> A
> 
> On 17/08/2016 19:59, Maurice Patel wrote:
> 
> HI,
> 
> I am not sure what you mean by a physical copy but the wayback machine 
> typically keeps archives of old sites which provides  a certain level of 
> availability but not all.
> 
> If you need anything it may be best to save a local copy to your machine 
> before November
> 
> maurice
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Maurice Patel
> 
> Tél:  514 954-7134
> 
> Cell: 514 242-6549
> 
> 
> 
> From: 
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>  [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andres Stephens
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:48 PM
> 
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
> 
> Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Crap crap crap. Where can we download a physical copy?
> 
> 
> 
> -Draise
> 
> 
> 
> +57 3138116821
> 
> Bogotá, Colombia
> 
> On 17 Aug 2016, at 12:57, Olivier Jeannel 
> <facialdel...@gmail.com<mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com><mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com><mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com>>
>  wrote:
> 
> http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
> 
> 
> 
> [http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/skins/monobook/media/si/ACG_Wiki_a_head_banner_lft.png]
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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Morten Bartholdy]

And there is this:

http://www.httrack.com/


Morten


> Den 18. august 2016 klokken 09:23 skrev Brent McPherson 
> <brent.mcpher...@autodesk.com>:
> 
> 
> You should be able to snag a copy of the site using wget and it will probably 
> be more functional than a backup since wget will convert all the embedded 
> page links etc.
> 
> https://www.guyrutenberg.com/2014/05/02/make-offline-mirror-of-a-site-using-wget/
> 
> Cheers!
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> 
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andres Stephens
> Sent: 17 August 2016 20:24
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
> 
> A local copy was the right word! Sorry. I panicked.
> 
> -Draise
> 
> From: Maurice Patel<mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>
> Sent: 17 August 2016 14:00
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
> 
> HI,
> I am not sure what you mean by a physical copy but the wayback machine 
> typically keeps archives of old sites which provides  a certain level of 
> availability but not all.
> If you need anything it may be best to save a local copy to your machine 
> before November
> maurice
> 
> 
> Maurice Patel
> Tél:  514 954-7134
> Cell: 514 242-6549
> 
> From: 
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>  [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andres Stephens
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:48 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
> Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon
> 
> 
> Crap crap crap. Where can we download a physical copy?
> 
> -Draise
> 
> +57 3138116821
> Bogotá, Colombia
> On 17 Aug 2016, at 12:57, Olivier Jeannel 
> <facialdel...@gmail.com<mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com<mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com%3cmailto:facialdel...@gmail.com>>>
>  wrote:
> http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Matt Lind]

Interesting first comment at the bottom of the page.

Matt




Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 07:23:01 +
From: Brent McPherson <brent.mcpher...@autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon
To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com"

You should be able to snag a copy of the site using wget and it will 
probably be more functional than a backup since wget will convert all the 
embedded page links etc.

https://www.guyrutenberg.com/2014/05/02/make-offline-mirror-of-a-site-using-wget/

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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Matt Lind]

The hamster can't live forever.


Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 23:22:48 +0100
From: Cristobal Infante <cgc...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon
To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com"
<softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>

I can only imagine the server strain that this wiki must be causing on the
Autodesk server...

by the way, great investigative work Olivier!
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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Brent McPherson]

You should be able to snag a copy of the site using wget and it will probably 
be more functional than a backup since wget will convert all the embedded page 
links etc.

https://www.guyrutenberg.com/2014/05/02/make-offline-mirror-of-a-site-using-wget/

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From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andres Stephens
Sent: 17 August 2016 20:24
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon

A local copy was the right word! Sorry. I panicked.

-Draise

From: Maurice Patel<mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>
Sent: 17 August 2016 14:00
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon

HI,
I am not sure what you mean by a physical copy but the wayback machine 
typically keeps archives of old sites which provides  a certain level of 
availability but not all.
If you need anything it may be best to save a local copy to your machine before 
November
maurice


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Cell: 514 242-6549

From: 
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 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andres Stephens
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:48 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon


Crap crap crap. Where can we download a physical copy?

-Draise

+57 3138116821
Bogotá, Colombia
On 17 Aug 2016, at 12:57, Olivier Jeannel 
<facialdel...@gmail.com<mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com<mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com%3cmailto:facialdel...@gmail.com>>>
 wrote:
http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Olivier Jeannel]

It was on facebook :/

Le 18 août 2016 00:23, "Cristobal Infante" <cgc...@gmail.com> a écrit :

> I can only imagine the server strain that this wiki must be causing on the
> Autodesk server...
>
> by the way, great investigative work Olivier!
>
>
>
> On 17 August 2016 at 21:40, Andy Nicholas <a...@andynicholas.com> wrote:
>
>> I think the privacy issue can be overcome. Have a look in the link I sent
>> you under the section "Backup the content of the wiki (XML dump)". That
>> method doesn't include account information.
>>
>>
>> On 17/08/2016 21:17, Maurice Patel wrote:
>>
>> I have asked if we can look into this and got a first response. Apparently 
>> it is non-trivial as the site enabled users to create accounts and there are 
>> some privacy issues around publishing the data as is. I can't promise 
>> anything but we are looking into what is feasible.
>> maurice
>>
>> Maurice Patel
>> Tél:  514 954-7134
>> Cell: 514 242-6549
>>
>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
>> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
>> <softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Andy Nicholas
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 3:13 PM
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
>> Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon
>>
>> Hi Maurice,
>> Is it conceivable that Autodesk would be willing to backup the wiki 
>> according to the instructions found here: 
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
>>
>> and then provide that data to an individual in the community to host on 
>> their own publicly available server?
>>
>> A
>>
>> On 17/08/2016 19:59, Maurice Patel wrote:
>>
>> HI,
>>
>> I am not sure what you mean by a physical copy but the wayback machine 
>> typically keeps archives of old sites which provides  a certain level of 
>> availability but not all.
>>
>> If you need anything it may be best to save a local copy to your machine 
>> before November
>>
>> maurice
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Maurice Patel
>>
>> Tél:  514 954-7134
>>
>> Cell: 514 242-6549
>>
>>
>>
>> From: 
>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>>  <softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> 
>> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
>> <softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Andres Stephens
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:48 PM
>>
>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> 
>> <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Crap crap crap. Where can we download a physical copy?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Draise
>>
>>
>> +57 3138116821
>>
>> Bogotá, Colombia
>>
>> On 17 Aug 2016, at 12:57, Olivier Jeannel 
>> <facialdel...@gmail.com<mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com> 
>> <facialdel...@gmail.com><mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com> 
>> <facialdel...@gmail.com><mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com> 
>> <facialdel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
>>
>>
>>
>> [http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/skins/monobook/media/si/ACG_Wiki_a_head_banner_lft.png]
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Cristobal Infante]

I can only imagine the server strain that this wiki must be causing on the
Autodesk server...

by the way, great investigative work Olivier!



On 17 August 2016 at 21:40, Andy Nicholas <a...@andynicholas.com> wrote:

> I think the privacy issue can be overcome. Have a look in the link I sent
> you under the section "Backup the content of the wiki (XML dump)". That
> method doesn't include account information.
>
>
> On 17/08/2016 21:17, Maurice Patel wrote:
>
> I have asked if we can look into this and got a first response. Apparently it 
> is non-trivial as the site enabled users to create accounts and there are 
> some privacy issues around publishing the data as is. I can't promise 
> anything but we are looking into what is feasible.
> maurice
>
> Maurice Patel
> Tél:  514 954-7134
> Cell: 514 242-6549
>
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
> <softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Andy Nicholas
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 3:13 PM
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon
>
> Hi Maurice,
> Is it conceivable that Autodesk would be willing to backup the wiki according 
> to the instructions found here: 
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
>
> and then provide that data to an individual in the community to host on their 
> own publicly available server?
>
> A
>
> On 17/08/2016 19:59, Maurice Patel wrote:
>
> HI,
>
> I am not sure what you mean by a physical copy but the wayback machine 
> typically keeps archives of old sites which provides  a certain level of 
> availability but not all.
>
> If you need anything it may be best to save a local copy to your machine 
> before November
>
> maurice
>
>
>
>
>
> Maurice Patel
>
> Tél:  514 954-7134
>
> Cell: 514 242-6549
>
>
>
> From: 
> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>
>  <softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> 
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
> <softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Andres Stephens
>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:48 PM
>
> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> 
> <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
>
> Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon
>
>
>
>
>
> Crap crap crap. Where can we download a physical copy?
>
>
>
> -Draise
>
>
> +57 3138116821
>
> Bogotá, Colombia
>
> On 17 Aug 2016, at 12:57, Olivier Jeannel 
> <facialdel...@gmail.com<mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com> 
> <facialdel...@gmail.com><mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com> 
> <facialdel...@gmail.com><mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com> 
> <facialdel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
>
>
>
> [http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/skins/monobook/media/si/ACG_Wiki_a_head_banner_lft.png]
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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Andy Nicholas]

I think the privacy issue can be overcome. Have a look in the link I 
sent you under the section "Backup the content of the wiki (XML dump)". 
That method doesn't include account information.


On 17/08/2016 21:17, Maurice Patel wrote:

I have asked if we can look into this and got a first response. Apparently it 
is non-trivial as the site enabled users to create accounts and there are some 
privacy issues around publishing the data as is. I can't promise anything but 
we are looking into what is feasible.
maurice

Maurice Patel
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Cell: 514 242-6549

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andy Nicholas
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 3:13 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon

Hi Maurice,
Is it conceivable that Autodesk would be willing to backup the wiki according 
to the instructions found here: 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki

and then provide that data to an individual in the community to host on their 
own publicly available server?

A

On 17/08/2016 19:59, Maurice Patel wrote:

HI,

I am not sure what you mean by a physical copy but the wayback machine 
typically keeps archives of old sites which provides  a certain level of 
availability but not all.

If you need anything it may be best to save a local copy to your machine before 
November

maurice





Maurice Patel

Tél:  514 954-7134

Cell: 514 242-6549



From: 
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 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andres Stephens

Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:48 PM

To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>

Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon





Crap crap crap. Where can we download a physical copy?



-Draise



+57 3138116821

Bogotá, Colombia

On 17 Aug 2016, at 12:57, Olivier Jeannel 
<facialdel...@gmail.com<mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com><mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com><mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:

http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page



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Re: Wiki EOL soon

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There is always this:
https://xsisupport.com/2014/04/17/softimage-2015-user-guide-compiled-help-file/


Best Regards,
*  Stephen P. Davidson*

*(954) 552-7956*sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com

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I have asked if we can look into this and got a first response. Apparently it 
is non-trivial as the site enabled users to create accounts and there are some 
privacy issues around publishing the data as is. I can't promise anything but 
we are looking into what is feasible.
maurice

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Cell: 514 242-6549

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andy Nicholas
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 3:13 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon

Hi Maurice,
Is it conceivable that Autodesk would be willing to backup the wiki according 
to the instructions found here: 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki

and then provide that data to an individual in the community to host on their 
own publicly available server?

A

On 17/08/2016 19:59, Maurice Patel wrote:

HI,

I am not sure what you mean by a physical copy but the wayback machine 
typically keeps archives of old sites which provides  a certain level of 
availability but not all.

If you need anything it may be best to save a local copy to your machine before 
November

maurice





Maurice Patel

Tél:  514 954-7134

Cell: 514 242-6549



From: 
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 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andres Stephens

Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:48 PM

To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>

Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon





Crap crap crap. Where can we download a physical copy?



-Draise



+57 3138116821

Bogotá, Colombia

On 17 Aug 2016, at 12:57, Olivier Jeannel 
<facialdel...@gmail.com<mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com><mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com><mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:

http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page



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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Andy Nicholas]

No problem. Thanks for looking into it. I'm sure quite a few of us will 
be keeping our fingers crossed! ;)


A

On 17/08/2016 20:14, Maurice Patel wrote:

Thanks for sharing that. I'll look into whether we can do that.
maurice

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From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andy Nicholas
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 3:13 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon

Hi Maurice,
Is it conceivable that Autodesk would be willing to backup the wiki according 
to the instructions found here: 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki

and then provide that data to an individual in the community to host on their 
own publicly available server?

A

On 17/08/2016 19:59, Maurice Patel wrote:

HI,

I am not sure what you mean by a physical copy but the wayback machine 
typically keeps archives of old sites which provides  a certain level of 
availability but not all.

If you need anything it may be best to save a local copy to your machine before 
November

maurice





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Cell: 514 242-6549



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 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andres Stephens

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Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon





Crap crap crap. Where can we download a physical copy?



-Draise



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Bogotá, Colombia

On 17 Aug 2016, at 12:57, Olivier Jeannel 
<facialdel...@gmail.com<mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com><mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com><mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:

http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page



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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Andres Stephens]

A local copy was the right word! Sorry. I panicked.

-Draise

From: Maurice Patel<mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>
Sent: 17 August 2016 14:00
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>
Subject: RE: Wiki EOL soon

HI,
I am not sure what you mean by a physical copy but the wayback machine 
typically keeps archives of old sites which provides  a certain level of 
availability but not all.
If you need anything it may be best to save a local copy to your machine before 
November
maurice


Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andres Stephens
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:48 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon


Crap crap crap. Where can we download a physical copy?

-Draise

+57 3138116821
Bogotá, Colombia
On 17 Aug 2016, at 12:57, Olivier Jeannel 
<facialdel...@gmail.com<mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

[http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/skins/monobook/media/si/ACG_Wiki_a_head_banner_lft.png]

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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Maurice Patel]

Thanks for sharing that. I'll look into whether we can do that.
maurice

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From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andy Nicholas
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 3:13 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon

Hi Maurice,
Is it conceivable that Autodesk would be willing to backup the wiki according 
to the instructions found here: 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki

and then provide that data to an individual in the community to host on their 
own publicly available server?

A

On 17/08/2016 19:59, Maurice Patel wrote:

HI,

I am not sure what you mean by a physical copy but the wayback machine 
typically keeps archives of old sites which provides  a certain level of 
availability but not all.

If you need anything it may be best to save a local copy to your machine before 
November

maurice





Maurice Patel

Tél:  514 954-7134

Cell: 514 242-6549



From: 
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 [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andres Stephens

Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:48 PM

To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>

Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon





Crap crap crap. Where can we download a physical copy?



-Draise



+57 3138116821

Bogotá, Colombia

On 17 Aug 2016, at 12:57, Olivier Jeannel 
<facialdel...@gmail.com<mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com><mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com><mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:

http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page



[http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/skins/monobook/media/si/ACG_Wiki_a_head_banner_lft.png]



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Re: Wiki EOL soon

[Andy Nicholas]

Hi Maurice,
Is it conceivable that Autodesk would be willing to backup the wiki 
according to the instructions found here: 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki


and then provide that data to an individual in the community to host on 
their own publicly available server?


A


On 17/08/2016 19:59, Maurice Patel wrote:

HI,
I am not sure what you mean by a physical copy but the wayback machine 
typically keeps archives of old sites which provides  a certain level of 
availability but not all.
If you need anything it may be best to save a local copy to your machine before 
November
maurice


Maurice Patel
Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andres Stephens
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:48 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon


Crap crap crap. Where can we download a physical copy?

-Draise

+57 3138116821
Bogotá, Colombia
On 17 Aug 2016, at 12:57, Olivier Jeannel 
<facialdel...@gmail.com<mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

[http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/skins/monobook/media/si/ACG_Wiki_a_head_banner_lft.png]

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RE: Wiki EOL soon

[Maurice Patel]

HI,
I am not sure what you mean by a physical copy but the wayback machine 
typically keeps archives of old sites which provides  a certain level of 
availability but not all.
If you need anything it may be best to save a local copy to your machine before 
November
maurice


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Tél:  514 954-7134
Cell: 514 242-6549

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Andres Stephens
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:48 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: Wiki EOL soon


Crap crap crap. Where can we download a physical copy?

-Draise

+57 3138116821
Bogotá, Colombia
On 17 Aug 2016, at 12:57, Olivier Jeannel 
<facialdel...@gmail.com<mailto:facialdel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

[http://softimage.wiki.softimage.com/skins/monobook/media/si/ACG_Wiki_a_head_banner_lft.png]

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Re: Wiki EOL soon

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Crap crap crap. Where can we download a physical copy?

-Draise

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