[spctools-discuss] Re: PeptideProphet algorithm documentation?

2010-09-21 Thread John Damask
Hi David,
Thanks for the response. The release notes are helpful. And no, I
haven't noticed increased decoy hits w/ higher prob...but then again I
haven't really looked.

In addition to the release notes, is there any documentation about
which features from Alexey's papers have made it into the prophets?
For example, Choi, Gosh,  Nesvizhskii 2007 JPR discuss the benefits
of variable component mixture model and semiparametric mixture
model. I would guess one of these models is invoked if I check the
Use non-parametric model option but I'm just not sure. To be clear,
I'm not asking for full compliance with the literature, I just want to
know if PeptideProphet differs from it.

Thanks,
John

On Sep 20, 1:24 pm, David Shteynberg dshteynb...@systemsbiology.org
wrote:
 Hi John,

 The target is for the quality of the software to improve with
 subsequent releases.  Do you notice that you have more incorrect
 (decoy) hits with higher probability?  BTW, the latest version is 4.4
 not 4.3.  For more information you can check the release 
 noteshttp://tools.proteomecenter.org/wiki/index.php?search=release+notesg...

 -David

 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 7:45 AM, John Damask jbdam...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi,
  We recently upgraded an old version of TPP (Squall v3.3) to v4.3 rev1.
  We've noticed an increase in the number of high confidence  (1% FDR)
  peptides and proteins. Digging into the pepXml files we've seen cases
  where, for example, a peptide previously assigned a probability of  .
  5 now scores  .9. Note that the Mascot scores haven't changed

  Where can I learn about the differences between versions of the
  Prophets?
  Thanks
  John

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Re: [spctools-discuss] Re: PeptideProphet algorithm documentation?

2010-09-21 Thread David Shteynberg
Hi John,

Yes, the semi-supervised and semi-paramteric features from Alexey's
papers are implemented.  Specifying a decoy tag to PeptideProphet
makes it semi-supervised and selecting the non-parametric model makes
it semi-parametric; the one remaining parameter in the distributions
is the apportionment  of non-decoy hits among the positive and
negative distributions (which in this mode do not follow the shape of
a predetermined parametric distribution e.g. Gamma for negatives and
Gaussian for positives, but are learned using Kernel Density
Estimates).

-David

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:31 AM, John Damask jbdam...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi David,
 Thanks for the response. The release notes are helpful. And no, I
 haven't noticed increased decoy hits w/ higher prob...but then again I
 haven't really looked.

 In addition to the release notes, is there any documentation about
 which features from Alexey's papers have made it into the prophets?
 For example, Choi, Gosh,  Nesvizhskii 2007 JPR discuss the benefits
 of variable component mixture model and semiparametric mixture
 model. I would guess one of these models is invoked if I check the
 Use non-parametric model option but I'm just not sure. To be clear,
 I'm not asking for full compliance with the literature, I just want to
 know if PeptideProphet differs from it.

 Thanks,
 John

 On Sep 20, 1:24 pm, David Shteynberg dshteynb...@systemsbiology.org
 wrote:
 Hi John,

 The target is for the quality of the software to improve with
 subsequent releases.  Do you notice that you have more incorrect
 (decoy) hits with higher probability?  BTW, the latest version is 4.4
 not 4.3.  For more information you can check the release 
 noteshttp://tools.proteomecenter.org/wiki/index.php?search=release+notesg...

 -David

 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 7:45 AM, John Damask jbdam...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi,
  We recently upgraded an old version of TPP (Squall v3.3) to v4.3 rev1.
  We've noticed an increase in the number of high confidence  (1% FDR)
  peptides and proteins. Digging into the pepXml files we've seen cases
  where, for example, a peptide previously assigned a probability of  .
  5 now scores  .9. Note that the Mascot scores haven't changed

  Where can I learn about the differences between versions of the
  Prophets?
  Thanks
  John

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