Re: [sqlite] Purging the mailing list roles. Was: Please RestoreYour Account Access
Dennis Cote <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So far Richard has been quite benevolent. > It is easy to be benevolent when you have no real power. Nevertheless, your ruler thanks you for your kind remarks. ;-) -- D. Richard Hipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: [sqlite] Purging the mailing list roles. Was: Please RestoreYour Account Access
Dennis Cote wrote: Dennis Jenkins wrote: There are probably many pre-existing web sites where anyone can create an poll they want, so it might take less than 10 minutes to construct a poll and post a url. Then again, I could be delusional ;) Dennis, Then you should go ahead and give it a go. If it will only take 10 minutes you have little to lose. :-) I know that sounds like "then submit a patch..." but it is not intended that way. I'm not adverse to polls in general, I was just pointing out that the results of the poll might well be disregarded. This may be may be disconcerting to someone who comes up with an idea that everyone except Richard likes. Dennis Cote Way back there was a landmark book in IT practice which postulated a "surgical team" structure for projects. There is only one surgeon but that person is ably supported by a phalanx of specialists. The model works very well as demonstrated by Sqlite, a patient alive and well because there is one surgeon who makes considered choices consistent with an overall vision and does not have to make popular decisions. Democratic decisions tend to be bad ones. Benjamin Franklin described the problem well. In modern terms he pointed out that in a democracy the politician who promises free beer gets elected, not the one who promises peace, prosperity and good health. JS
Re: [sqlite] Purging the mailing list roles. Was: Please RestoreYour Account Access
Dennis Jenkins wrote: There are probably many pre-existing web sites where anyone can create an poll they want, so it might take less than 10 minutes to construct a poll and post a url. Then again, I could be delusional ;) Dennis, Then you should go ahead and give it a go. If it will only take 10 minutes you have little to lose. :-) I know that sounds like "then submit a patch..." but it is not intended that way. I'm not adverse to polls in general, I was just pointing out that the results of the poll might well be disregarded. This may be may be disconcerting to someone who comes up with an idea that everyone except Richard likes. Dennis Cote
Re: [sqlite] Purging the mailing list roles. Was: Please RestoreYour Account Access
On 5/31/06, Dennis Jenkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There are probably many pre-existing web sites where anyone can create an poll they want, so it might take less than 10 minutes to construct a poll and post a url. Then again, I could be delusional ;) yahoo groups will do it quickly but you have to join their group. -- SqliteImporter, SqliteReplicator: Command line utilities for Sqlite http://www.reddawn.net/~jsprenkl/Sqlite
Re: [sqlite] Purging the mailing list roles. Was: Please RestoreYour Account Access
Dennis Cote wrote: > Dennis Jenkins wrote: >> Maybe someone could create a simple web site that lets us vote on the >> suggestions? >> > Unfortunately (or perhaps not) Richard runs SQLite and its related > community more like a benevolent dictatorship than a democracy. :-) > > I believe he listens to the responses (especially when he has > specifically asked for ideas), but he is not bound by them in any way. > Simply stating your opinion is the best way to get your ideas considered. > > As with all benevolent dictatorships, everything goes relatively > smoothly as long as the dictator remains benevolent. So far Richard > has been quite benevolent. > > Dennis Cote I should have said "opinion poll" instead of "vote". The results were not supposed to be "binding" on DRH. Nor was I trying to suggest that he should do this extra work. In most social groups, there is some small percentage of people that generate the most communication. In our group, this seems to be about 10 to 20 people. My idea was to poll a larger sample. The threaded nature of a discussion list does not seem to be a very practical method for conducting a quantitative poll. My overall idea was to determine the readership's opinion, not the "social butterfly" opinion. :) There are probably many pre-existing web sites where anyone can create an poll they want, so it might take less than 10 minutes to construct a poll and post a url. Then again, I could be delusional ;)
Re: [sqlite] Purging the mailing list roles. Was: Please RestoreYour Account Access
As with all benevolent dictatorships, everything goes relatively smoothly as long as the dictator remains benevolent. So far Richard has been quite benevolent. Definitely! One of the most pleasant individuals I've worked with. Thanks DRH! For all your hard work and tolerance! Especially the tolerance part! ;)
Re: [sqlite] Purging the mailing list roles. Was: Please RestoreYour Account Access
Dennis Jenkins wrote: Maybe someone could create a simple web site that lets us vote on the suggestions? Unfortunately (or perhaps not) Richard runs SQLite and its related community more like a benevolent dictatorship than a democracy. :-) I believe he listens to the responses (especially when he has specifically asked for ideas), but he is not bound by them in any way. Simply stating your opinion is the best way to get your ideas considered. As with all benevolent dictatorships, everything goes relatively smoothly as long as the dictator remains benevolent. So far Richard has been quite benevolent. Dennis Cote
Re: [sqlite] Purging the mailing list roles. Was: Please RestoreYour Account Access
Dennis Cote wrote: > > I think an opt in mechanism with a CAPTCHA to allow an account to > continue to post to the list that is triggered every couple of months > wouldn't be a burden to those actively posting. First time or > occasional poster would receive an email when they try to post that > would require them to pass the CAPTCHA test before their message is > distributed. They would then be authorize to post for the next N > months. At the end of that time a similar email would be sent that > would require a similar response for them to maintain their posting > status. > > To winnow out the dead accounts, a second opt in response to a message > that is sent every year or two. This should not be a burden for those > who only want to continue to read the list postings. If they don't > reply to this message they will be deleted from the distribution list. > They can always sign up again, or use one of the list archives instead. > > Dennis Cote I like this idea the best so far. Maybe someone could create a simple web site that lets us vote on the suggestions? Make the back-end sqlite :)
Re: [sqlite] Purging the mailing list roles. Was: Please RestoreYour Account Access
Brandon, Nicholas (UK) wrote: So +1 for moderated posting status *only* if its done without additional effort of the poster (human moderator?). Brandon, Are you volunteering for the human moderator job? I'm sure that Dr. Richard Hipp's time is worth much more doing something (perhaps anything) other than moderating all messages posted here. I also think any human moderator will produce long delays in posting some messages while they wait for a batch of message to queue up (or while they sleep). I think an opt in mechanism with a CAPTCHA to allow an account to continue to post to the list that is triggered every couple of months wouldn't be a burden to those actively posting. First time or occasional poster would receive an email when they try to post that would require them to pass the CAPTCHA test before their message is distributed. They would then be authorize to post for the next N months. At the end of that time a similar email would be sent that would require a similar response for them to maintain their posting status. To winnow out the dead accounts, a second opt in response to a message that is sent every year or two. This should not be a burden for those who only want to continue to read the list postings. If they don't reply to this message they will be deleted from the distribution list. They can always sign up again, or use one of the list archives instead. Dennis Cote
RE: [sqlite] Purging the mailing list roles. Was: Please RestoreYour Account Access
>+1 for moderated posting status after days, -10 for all of the >other suggestions that will cause me to jump through hoops to stay subscribed. I would imagine 95% of the content of this list is done by 20 or so posters. I'm not one of them. For similar reasons for staying subscribed, I don't want to jump through hoops for occasionally posting. If I feel I got something to contribute I just want to reply and that be the end of it. So +1 for moderated posting status *only* if its done without additional effort of the poster (human moderator?). This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person.
