Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.0 & stream stops

2020-10-08 Thread tpicq


bpa wrote: 
> If problem reoccurs.  Get a log of the stream stopping on its own accord
> and we can pick up the issue again.

Thanks bpa !




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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.0 & stream stops

2020-10-08 Thread tpicq


bpa wrote: 
> Player are not handling AAC natively - they have to be transcoded and so
> CANNOT play directly.
> 
> This seems to be an Daphile issue. 
> 
> I asked to do a test with only ONE player - I count 4 players in the
> log.
> 
> Did you catch when a stream stopped by itself?
> If so, what is the timestemp when the stream stopped ?
> 
> All I can see are streams being "Paused" which seems to be from a
> controller.

Well, yes I know but since I've changed the box it seems that I do not
have the streams stopping as before.
But you're right, it's difficult to understand what is happing without
fixing the overall setup.
Thanks for the Daphile information about AAC I was pretty sure it was
supported.
let's park the discussion the time I stabilize the setup.
Thanks for your support !
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.0 & stream stops

2020-10-08 Thread tpicq


bpa wrote: 
> My initial thoughts were your changes as it is a playing stream that
> stops but dates didn't match - similar to the podcast issue but much
> shorter.
> That's why I next thought of support libraries change which match
> version but don't seem likely as streams are connected and playing so
> main https negotiation is finished.

Hello,

A quick update.
I had an issue with my Internet box and my provider replaced it
yesterday.
I need to see if I still have streams issue.
By the way I'm pretty sure the players can handle the streams directly.
How to understand way they stop (even when not synced) when stopping the
LMS ?
You said in the log... I've attached the current one.
Thanks


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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.0 & stream stops

2020-10-04 Thread tpicq


bpa wrote: 
> When testing it's best to be explicit about the version being tested and
> NOT to change version until a sequence of tests has been complted.
> Otherwise if the bug is in LMS and ti is a timing one - it may just
> "move"and change and may not be solved 
> 
> Although, problem seems to be associated with newer version of LMS, the
> change in LMS exe for Windows make this seem unlilkely.  
> 
> So need to confirm whether the problem is in LMS or something else. If
> stream breaks down when played directly by player - then problem is not
> LMS. 
> 
> This test mean logging trying to play a FIP http/AAC stream directly on
> a player.  The log is needed to  confirm playing directly.
> 
> The URL (note http not https) to be tested is
> http://icecast.radiofrance.fr/fip-hifi.aac
> 
> Make sure the selected player is NOT synced and NOT proxied.
> 
> 1. Enable logging player/source to INFO
> 2. Note time
> 3. Start playing the URL http://icecast.radiofrance.fr/fip-hifi.aac
> 4. Wait 30 secs of playing and then stop stream
> 5. Copy ALL log entries from start time to time when stream was stopped.
> Paste the log entries to a forum post - if too many lines, save lines in
> a text file, zip and attach to the post.
> 
> Run test again, this time don't stop after 30 secs and confirm that
> stream does NOT stop/breakdown.
> 
> If stream does not break down  - then we can prepare next test.
> If stream breaks down - then log has to be checked to confirm LMS is
> processing the stream and it is not being played directly..

Hi,

Thanks bpa for all this instructions.
I'll try to conform the closest I can.

By the way I have a question regarding the stream being played directly
by the player.
I've unsync the 2 players I have stopped one and only play the other on
FIP stream using the plugin provided by Paul (http stream).
The player is not proxied.
When I kill the LMS server process than the player stops playing. Is it
normal or have I missed a configuration somewhere ?
Thanks



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.0 & stream stops

2020-10-02 Thread tpicq


bpa wrote: 
> That's what we're trying to figure out but without logs, it takes 3-4
> times as many posts to make progress.
> 
> The obvious difference is the change in the SSL libraries but we need
> hard info to rules out possibilties such as: are you definitely not
> playing https stream (need a log to confirm as caching & redirection can
> affect this) and not transcoding (need a log to confirm). 
> 
> There are many LMS instances where Windows behaves differently for
> different users even though all on the same LMS s/w. Small changes in
> Windows setup can have big effect.
> I had a problem in a plugin which reliably showed up on old low spec
> systems (e.g. 2 core)  or high end 8 core big mem - middle range systems
> were mostly ok. 
> 
> The network connection breakdown is clear in the logs.
> More work is needed to find cause of breakdown e.g. network connection,
> Windows, LMS, firewall etc. It will be tedious as your problem so far
> cannot be replicated by others
> This work will be quicker if you provide logs.  To your eyes a log may
> appear uneventful but sometimes what's missing in a log provide the
> clue.

Hi,

Sure I can provide all the logs you want.
I'll upgrade this weekend to the latest version again and give you full
log.
Could you please share which kind of log would be the most useful?
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.0 & stream stops

2020-10-02 Thread tpicq


bpa wrote: 
> Are you sure you enabled player.source to INFO.  There are a whole lot
> of message missing ?
> 
> 
> 
> Timeouts are often an indication of the "https "problem although it is
> not clear what URL is being accessed. Port 443 is a port associated with
> https.
> 
> 
> 
> "Natively" ?  Without transcoding ?
> Without the log message with player.source set to INFO from the before
> the stream has started playing - you cannot be sure about transcoding.
> 
> 
> 
> The "end of file" message means - the input connection from FIP has
> broken down for some reason. The above fragment show two breaks.  This
> would indicate a network error but need proper log to understand how
> connection is set up.
> 
> How is the LMS server connected to internet ?

Hi, 

Thanks for your time on this issue.
LMS runs on a Windows 10 Pro PC connected using Ethernet to Internet Box
(FTTH in my case) with a very high speed/low latency connection.
No Wifi for that and the player is also connected using Ethernet.
It may be on FIP side but I don't understand why I don't have pb with
the late August version...

Thanks
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.0 & stream stops

2020-10-01 Thread tpicq


bpa wrote: 
> Unfortunately this tells me nothing useful about the player and its LMS
> capabilities. 
> 
> Can it play AAC natively ?.
> 
> edit:
> 
> from Daphuile website "Daphile is based on the open source Squeezebox
> Server, Squeezelite and Linux."
> 
> What version of Squeezelite does Daphile use ? What are the build
> options ?
> 
> edit 2:
> 
> As Daphile is a black hole in terms of details. Better to stick with
> Squeezelite-X as the test player as full details are available
> 
> What version of Squeezelite-X are you using ?  Which version of
> Squeezelite is bundled with it ?

I'm trying the latest version of LMS
(LogitechMediaServer-8.0.0-1601455867) with the plugin of Paul running
FIP, AAC version.
So far I have no stop of the stream which is great.
I've checked the logs and I've found that the streams are using http and
NOT httpS...
Keep you posted if it remains stable.
Thanks for your support !
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.0 & stream stops

2020-10-01 Thread tpicq


bpa wrote: 
> What is the verison of the player ?
> 
> Old versions of Squeezelite-X and Squeezelite (maybe part of Daphile)
> have known bugs.  IIRC some old version also cannot play AAC natively

The player runs the latest beta version of Daphile:

Player Model: Daphile
Player Type: daphile
Firmware: 20.08-b040759

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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.0 & stream stops

2020-10-01 Thread tpicq


Paul Webster wrote: 
> If you install my Radio France plugin then you will see a new menu under
> Radio and can select from 3 different URLs.
> That does not fix the underlying problem but at least you should be able
> to hear things using one of them.

Hi Paul,

Well I've your plugin installed for a long time now but I've never used
it for that (only for getting the metadata)... ;-)
I'll try with unsynced player.
Keep you posted.
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.0 & stream stops

2020-10-01 Thread tpicq


bpa wrote: 
> You haven't posted any logs with player.source enabled to INFO  to
> confirm what exactly is happening when trying to connect to a station.
> 
> The FIP URL you show is a "https" one - which is strange as many of the
> "directories" supply a "http" URL ?
> Where did you get the URL from ?

The URL comes directly from the source code of the Web page:
https://www.fip.fr/
The log I've posted is the default one.
I can try to get a new one with the appropriate info.

Jus as a reminder all works flawlessly with the late August version.
Thanks.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.0 & stream stops

2020-10-01 Thread tpicq


bpa wrote: 
> You confirmed change is as we thought but Ralphy (originator SSL change)
> does not think it could be responsible for breaking a stream mid
> session.  
> All the https stuff happens at the start of a stream before it plays.
> 
> *That said, you STILL have not answered my question about server.log
> entries - I have asked mulitple times.  If a stream breaks - often the
> error is logged.
> *
> What security s/w are you using on your system ?  Security s/w "check"
> network streams and can play havok if it think stream is not to be
> "trusted".

Hello,
Sorry about the logs but it seems to have few information about this
issue.

Here is the only information I got from the log (I revert back to a more
stable stream version when I face the issue):

[20-09-29 17:39:55.9260] main::init (388) Starting Logitech Media Server
(v8.0.0, 1601380107, Tue Sep 29 14:13:20 WEDT 2020) perl 5.014001 -
MSWin32-x86-multi-thread
[20-09-29 17:40:02.6750] Slim::Control::Request::renderAsArray (2233)
Error: request should set useIxHashes in Slim::Control::Request->new()
[20-09-29 17:40:02.6753] Slim::Control::Request::renderAsArray (2233)
Backtrace:

frame 0: Slim::Utils::Log::logBacktrace
(/Slim/Control/Request.pm
line 2233)
frame 1: Slim::Control::Request::renderAsArray
(C:/PROGRA~2/SQUEEZ~1/server/Slim/Plugin/CLI/Plugin.pm line 697)
frame 2: Slim::Plugin::CLI::Plugin::cli_request_write
(C:/PROGRA~2/SQUEEZ~1/server/Slim/Plugin/CLI/Plugin.pm line 1010)
frame 3: Slim::Plugin::CLI::Plugin::cli_subscribe_notification
(/Slim/Control/Request.pm
line 2058)
frame 4: (eval)
(/Slim/Control/Request.pm
line 2058)
frame 5: Slim::Control::Request::notify
(/Slim/Control/Request.pm
line 859)
frame 6: Slim::Control::Request::checkNotifications (slimserver.pl
line 709)
frame 7: main::idle (slimserver.pl line 89)
frame 8: PerlSvc::Startup
(/PerlSvc.pm line 95)
frame 9: PerlSvc::_startup (slimserver.pl line 0)
frame 10: (eval) (slimserver.pl line 0)

[20-09-29 17:40:02.6822] Slim::Control::Request::renderAsArray (2233)
Error: request should set useIxHashes in Slim::Control::Request->new()
[20-09-29 17:40:02.6824] Slim::Control::Request::renderAsArray (2233)
Backtrace:

frame 0: Slim::Utils::Log::logBacktrace
(/Slim/Control/Request.pm
line 2233)
frame 1: Slim::Control::Request::renderAsArray
(C:/PROGRA~2/SQUEEZ~1/server/Slim/Plugin/CLI/Plugin.pm line 697)
frame 2: Slim::Plugin::CLI::Plugin::cli_request_write
(C:/PROGRA~2/SQUEEZ~1/server/Slim/Plugin/CLI/Plugin.pm line 1010)
frame 3: Slim::Plugin::CLI::Plugin::cli_subscribe_notification
(/Slim/Control/Request.pm
line 2058)
frame 4: (eval)
(/Slim/Control/Request.pm
line 2058)
frame 5: Slim::Control::Request::notify
(/Slim/Control/Request.pm
line 859)
frame 6: Slim::Control::Request::checkNotifications (slimserver.pl
line 709)
frame 7: main::idle (slimserver.pl line 89)
frame 8: PerlSvc::Startup
(/PerlSvc.pm line 95)
frame 9: PerlSvc::_startup (slimserver.pl line 0)
frame 10: (eval) (slimserver.pl line 0)

[20-09-29 18:05:57.3035] Slim::Networking::Async::connect (114) Failed
to connect to cdn.radiofrance.fr:443, because
Net::HTTP: connect: timeout
[20-09-29 18:15:58.9416] main::init (388) Starting Logitech Media Server
(v8.0.0, 1598245934, Mon Aug 24 07:42:54 WEDT 2020) perl 5.014001 -
MSWin32-x86-multi-thread
[20-09-29 18:16:06.2860] Slim::Control::Request::renderAsArray (2233)
Error: request should set useIxHashes in Slim::Control::Request->new()

Regarding security software, I use only standard Windows 10 Pro security
mechanisms, no other stuff.

Let me know if it helps.
Thanks.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.0 & stream stops

2020-09-30 Thread tpicq


bpa wrote: 
> ANY ENTRIES IN SERVER.LOG ?
> 
> Unless the player natively support "https" - then any https stream has
> to be handled by LMS.
> 
> However, the FIP icecast https stream
> "https://icecast.radiofrance.fr/fip-hifi.aac; can be played as a http
> stream.  There have been a lot of change to https support. IIRC, in
> older version of LMS, when given http stream that could be played
> direct, LMS use to try to substitute "http" for "https" to see if the
> stream can play. I think current version may still try this but it has
> better https support.  
> 
> Only recent Squeezelite has native https support - I don't know what
> Daphile uses as a player.
> 
> That said, AFAICT the 1598245934 LMS is from 24th August and 1601380107
> is from 29 Sept and there does nto seems to be any  LMS "https"
> processing changes in that time
> (https://github.com/Logitech/slimserver/commits/public/8.0 ).
> 
> Can you copy & post all the libraries & versions as shown in WebUI
> Settings/Info "Logitech Media Status" for each of the LMS version.
> 
> To check what is happening when the URL is being played and whether LMS
> is handling the stream, enable logging player.source to INFO and then
> try play the stream (note time just before starting to play).  Look at
> server.log at the time when you are trying to the play the stream.  This
> should show LMS "thinking".


Hello,
Thanks for trying to undersand this issue.
Please find below the requested information:

Logitech Media Server Status
Logitech Media Server Version: 8.0.0 - 1598245934 @ Mon Aug 24 07:42:54
WEDT 2020
Hostname: MUSIC-Server
Server IP Address: 192.168.0.33
Server HTTP Port Number: 9000
Operating system: Windows 10 - EN - cp1252
Platform Architecture: 8664
Perl Version: 5.14.1 - MSWin32-x86-multi-thread
Audio::Scan: 1.02
IO::Socket::SSL: 2.024
Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.58 (sqlite 3.22.0)
Total Players Recognized: 2


Logitech Media Server Status
Logitech Media Server Version: 8.0.0 - 1601444595 @ Wed Sep 30 08:13:22
WEDT 2020
Hostname: MUSIC-Server
Server IP Address: 192.168.0.33
Server HTTP Port Number: 9000
Operating system: Windows 10 - EN - cp1252
Platform Architecture: 8664
Perl Version: 5.14.1 - MSWin32-x86-multi-thread
Audio::Scan: 1.02
IO::Socket::SSL: 2.068
Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.58 (sqlite 3.22.0)
Total Players Recognized: 2

And you were right there is difference on SSL.

The latest version (Sept. the 30th)  has the same issue too.
Thanks.



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.0 & stream stops

2020-09-29 Thread tpicq


bpa wrote: 
> OK. Only do test with unsynced players.
> 
> Any message in server.log ?
> 
> If player are playing a http/MP3 or http/AAC stream direct (i.e.not
> https. not proxied and not synced) then the stream goes direct from
> source to player and LMS has no part in playing the stream.  In which
> case the version of LMS should make no difference and the problem is
> elsewhere in the network.
> 
> So please post the full URLs that are actually being played and stopping
> so that they can be checked whether it is https or being redirected to
> https (may not be obvious from a playlist URL)

Hello,

I'm confused.
I've tried the following configuration:

- use version LogitechMediaServer-8.0.0-1598245934
- unsync the 2 players based on Daphile.
- run both players and listening to FIP using
https://icecast.radiofrance.fr/fip-hifi.aac (192 kbpsCBR, 48kHz, AAC)
- no issue

then

- upgrade to LogitechMediaServer-8.0.0-1601380107
- run both players and listening to FIP using
https://icecast.radiofrance.fr/fip-hifi.aac (192 kbpsCBR, 48kHz, AAC)
- one player stopped 2 min after it starts
- second one a couple of minutes later.

Restarting the streams still synced then I've killed the LMS Server and
both players stopped.

then 

- downgrade to LogitechMediaServer-8.0.0-1598245934
- still synced and playing I killed LMS, both players stopped.

then

- unsync the players each streaming FIP AAC
- kill the server and the players stopped

So to me even if I play a stream NOT synced it goes thru the server...

Have I missed something ?
Thanks
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.0 & stream stops

2020-09-29 Thread tpicq


tpicq wrote: 
> Sorry for not being precise.
> I get the error for synced an standalone players.
> The synced players are based on Daphile and the standalone are Windows
> 10 using Squeezelite-X
> None of the player are proxied.
> 
> Thanks.
> Best 
> Thierry

Hi, 
Just tried the latest version (LogitechMediaServer-8.0.0-1601380107) and
found that the stream for FIP (AAC) is unable to play more thant 90 sec
/ 3 min.
Revert back to LogitechMediaServer-8.0.0-1598245934 and it works...
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.0 & stream stops

2020-09-29 Thread tpicq


bpa wrote: 
> Answer is not clear.
> 
> Do you get the problem if the players are not synced ?
> Are the players proxied ?  (i.e.  for each player check  WebUI
> Settings/Player/Audio/Streaming method)

Sorry for not being precise.
I get the error for synced an standalone players.
The synced players are based on Daphile and the standalone are Windows
10 using Squeezelite-X
None of the player are proxied.

Thanks.
Best 
Thierry



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.0 & stream stops

2020-09-28 Thread tpicq


bpa wrote: 
> Also are the streams proxied and/or synced with other player ?  If one
> player in a sync group has bad network connection to LMS - can cause
> delays.
> 
> Finally, my hobbyhorse - there have been lots of weird problems with
> https and Windows. Just recently nightly Windows builds have had some
> Ralphy experimental build of the SSL related libraries - this could be
> causing the effects seen from August.
> 
> Any message in server.log - typically timeouts.
> edit:
> https libraries & Windows 10 
> https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?111658-LMS-8-0-repository-problem=989047=1#post989047

Hi bpa,

Two players are synced (Daphile) and the others are Windows 10 /
Squeeezlite-X not sync.
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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.0 & stream stops

2020-09-28 Thread tpicq


Paul Webster wrote: 
> Would be good to know which particular streams you are playing.
> For example FIP is available as HTTP/MP3 and HLS/AAC - Paradise as MP3
> and FLAC.
> 
> Your LMS server.log might have some clues - but might need an increase
> in logging level for streaming to help.
> 
> FYI - we play FIP/FIP Monde, France Inter and BBC Radio 4 for hours on
> end without problems.

Hi Paul,

FIP is AAC and Paradise FLAC
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[SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.0 & stream stops

2020-09-27 Thread tpicq


Hello,

I'm using LMS 8.0 on Windows 10 PRO ver. 2004.
I update quite often to LMS 8.0 latest nightly builds.
I found quite recently that the music stream stops (playing FIP or Radio
Paradise) very often (may be 5 min, 15 but never plays more than 45/60
min) with the latest versions.
I use Daphile players and Squeezelite-X with the same issue (different
hardware).

The versions I found having this problem are (at least):

- LogitechMediaServer-8.0.0-1601030156
- LogitechMediaServer-8.0.0-1601129375

When I revert back to a version I kept from August:

- LogitechMediaServer-8.0.0-1598245934

I do not face the problem and the stream is playing without
interruption.

Any idea?
Thanks for your great work !
Best 
Thierry



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.0.0 Questions

2020-04-13 Thread tpicq


kidstypike wrote: 
> Michael doesn't see edits, but he'll see this. :)


Thanks!



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.0.0 Questions

2020-04-13 Thread tpicq


mherger wrote: 
> > I've seen that the CDPlayer (v1.10) Plugin is indicated as not
> > compatible with this version of LMS.
> 
> Most likely just a problem with the repository file's maxVersion string.
> 
> Try to get in touch with the plugin author.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael

Thanks Michael, I'll try that.
Best.
Thierry



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Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS 8.0.0 Questions

2020-04-13 Thread tpicq


Hi,

Nice job with LMS 8.0... Thanks !
I've seen that the CDPlayer (v1.10) Plugin is indicated as not
compatible with this version of LMS.
I'm running : Logitech Media Server Version : 8.0.0 - 1586578181 @ Sat
Apr 11 06:12:59 WEDT 2020
Any way to have it work ?
Thanks
Best 
Thierry



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