Re: [Standards] Council Minutes 2020-02-05

[Jonas Schäfer]

On Dienstag, 11. Februar 2020 10:20:01 CET Kevin Smith wrote:
> On 11 Feb 2020, at 09:17, Kevin Smith  wrote:
> > On 10 Feb 2020, at 10:09, Dave Cridland mailto:d...@cridland.net>> wrote:
> >> PEDANTRY WARNING!
> >> ...
> >> 
> >> 3a) Call for Experience: XEP-0198 (Stream Management) -
> >> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0198.html
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I do not need to vote on this, because the Council doesn't vote on a Call
> >> For Experience.> 
> > Surely this was an advisory vote requested by the Editors, and if the
> > Chair decides to ask Council for such a vote that’s fine?
> (Note to Jonas: Nod and say “Yes, that’s totally what it was”).

Kind of. XEP-0001 is a bit weird on this, since I’m not sure it is (or should 
be) the Editors job to find out when a XEP is ready for Final. As the Editor, 
I am more comfortable to get guidance from Council on this. As Council Chair, 
I prefer to ask the members before I put out orders/requests in the name of 
Council.

So, yes, this is *indeed* what has happened. Except that some of the round 
trips weren’t public because they happened in my head. This is probably not 
ideal because it’s then not clear to observers and, indeed, fellow Council 
members what’s actually going on, and I need to take care to more clearly word 
the vote subjects.

I take Daves comments as endorsement of the general motion though and will 
process this accordingly on the Editor side of things.

kind regards,
Jonas

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Re: [Standards] Council Minutes 2020-02-05

[Kevin Smith]

On 11 Feb 2020, at 09:17, Kevin Smith  wrote:
> 
> On 10 Feb 2020, at 10:09, Dave Cridland  > wrote:
>> 
>> PEDANTRY WARNING!
>> ...
> 
>> 3a) Call for Experience: XEP-0198 (Stream Management) - 
>> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0198.html 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I do not need to vote on this, because the Council doesn't vote on a Call 
>> For Experience.
> 
> 
> Surely this was an advisory vote requested by the Editors, and if the Chair 
> decides to ask Council for such a vote that’s fine?

(Note to Jonas: Nod and say “Yes, that’s totally what it was”).

/K

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Re: [Standards] Council Minutes 2020-02-05

[Kevin Smith]

On 10 Feb 2020, at 10:09, Dave Cridland  wrote:
> 
> PEDANTRY WARNING!
> ...

> 3a) Call for Experience: XEP-0198 (Stream Management) - 
> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0198.html 
> 
> 
> 
> I do not need to vote on this, because the Council doesn't vote on a Call For 
> Experience.


Surely this was an advisory vote requested by the Editors, and if the Chair 
decides to ask Council for such a vote that’s fine?

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Re: [Standards] Council Minutes 2020-02-05

[Guus der Kinderen]

On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 11:10, Dave Cridland  wrote:

> PEDANTRY WARNING!
>
>
Welcome back.



> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 23:03, Tedd Sterr  wrote:
>
>> http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2020-02-05?p=h#2020-02-05-9b7fab88b70a9fc4
>>
>> *1) Roll Call*
>> Present: Georg, Jonas, Daniel, Zash
>> Apologies: Dave
>>
>> *2) Agenda Bashing*
>> Jonas apologises for the lack of agenda; suggests a CFE for XEP-0198 -
>> Georg thinks 0198 is one of the less controversial ones.
>>
>> *3a) Call for Experience: XEP-0198 (Stream Management)* -
>> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0198.html
>> Jonas: +1
>> Georg: +1
>> Zash: +1
>> Daniel: +1
>> Dave: [pending]
>>
>>
> I do not need to vote on this, because the Council doesn't vote on a Call
> For Experience.
>
>
>> *3b) Call for Experience: XEP-0423: (XMPP Compliance Suites 2020)* -
>> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0423.html
>> Jonas reasons "why not" - Georg thinks it might be a bit early to have
>> implementations - Jonas thinks it might be interesting to gather
>> implementation feedback. Daniel is unsure how a CFE for the Compliance
>> Suites would look. Jonas still thinks it's an oddity in the Standards Track.
>>
>> Jonas: +1
>> Georg: +1
>> Daniel: +1
>> Zash: [pending]
>> Dave: [pending]
>>
>> Daniel realises this is all highly illegal, as XEP-0423 is not yet six
>> months old; Jonas quickly aborts the vote and hopes to evade any legal
>> ramifications.
>>
>>
> Quite; and also we don't vote on CFEs anyway.
>
>
>> Daniel was considering suggesting XEP-0368 (SRV records for XMPP over
>> TLS).
>>
>
> That'd be interesting to do a CFE around as well.
>
>
>>
>> *4) Outstanding Votes*
>> Everyone is up-to-date, apart from those pending today.
>>
>> *5) Date of Next*
>> 2020-02-12 1600 UTC
>>
>> Georg is hoping to have an appointment that day.
>>
>> *6) AOB*
>> Georg doesn't have any AOB.
>>
>> Ralph thanks Council for actively pushing XEPs through the process.
>>
>> *7) Close*
>> Thanks.
>>
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Re: [Standards] Council Minutes 2020-02-05

[Dave Cridland]

PEDANTRY WARNING!

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 23:03, Tedd Sterr  wrote:

> http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2020-02-05?p=h#2020-02-05-9b7fab88b70a9fc4
>
> *1) Roll Call*
> Present: Georg, Jonas, Daniel, Zash
> Apologies: Dave
>
> *2) Agenda Bashing*
> Jonas apologises for the lack of agenda; suggests a CFE for XEP-0198 -
> Georg thinks 0198 is one of the less controversial ones.
>
> *3a) Call for Experience: XEP-0198 (Stream Management)* -
> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0198.html
> Jonas: +1
> Georg: +1
> Zash: +1
> Daniel: +1
> Dave: [pending]
>
>
I do not need to vote on this, because the Council doesn't vote on a Call
For Experience.


> *3b) Call for Experience: XEP-0423: (XMPP Compliance Suites 2020)* -
> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0423.html
> Jonas reasons "why not" - Georg thinks it might be a bit early to have
> implementations - Jonas thinks it might be interesting to gather
> implementation feedback. Daniel is unsure how a CFE for the Compliance
> Suites would look. Jonas still thinks it's an oddity in the Standards Track.
>
> Jonas: +1
> Georg: +1
> Daniel: +1
> Zash: [pending]
> Dave: [pending]
>
> Daniel realises this is all highly illegal, as XEP-0423 is not yet six
> months old; Jonas quickly aborts the vote and hopes to evade any legal
> ramifications.
>
>
Quite; and also we don't vote on CFEs anyway.


> Daniel was considering suggesting XEP-0368 (SRV records for XMPP over TLS).
>

That'd be interesting to do a CFE around as well.


>
> *4) Outstanding Votes*
> Everyone is up-to-date, apart from those pending today.
>
> *5) Date of Next*
> 2020-02-12 1600 UTC
>
> Georg is hoping to have an appointment that day.
>
> *6) AOB*
> Georg doesn't have any AOB.
>
> Ralph thanks Council for actively pushing XEPs through the process.
>
> *7) Close*
> Thanks.
>
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[Standards] Council Minutes 2020-02-05

[Tedd Sterr]

http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2020-02-05?p=h#2020-02-05-9b7fab88b70a9fc4

1) Roll Call
Present: Georg, Jonas, Daniel, Zash
Apologies: Dave

2) Agenda Bashing
Jonas apologises for the lack of agenda; suggests a CFE for XEP-0198 - Georg 
thinks 0198 is one of the less controversial ones.

3a) Call for Experience: XEP-0198 (Stream Management) - 
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0198.html
Jonas: +1
Georg: +1
Zash: +1
Daniel: +1
Dave: [pending]

3b) Call for Experience: XEP-0423: (XMPP Compliance Suites 2020) - 
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0423.html
Jonas reasons "why not" - Georg thinks it might be a bit early to have 
implementations - Jonas thinks it might be interesting to gather implementation 
feedback. Daniel is unsure how a CFE for the Compliance Suites would look. 
Jonas still thinks it's an oddity in the Standards Track.

Jonas: +1
Georg: +1
Daniel: +1
Zash: [pending]
Dave: [pending]

Daniel realises this is all highly illegal, as XEP-0423 is not yet six months 
old; Jonas quickly aborts the vote and hopes to evade any legal ramifications.

Daniel was considering suggesting XEP-0368 (SRV records for XMPP over TLS).

4) Outstanding Votes
Everyone is up-to-date, apart from those pending today.

5) Date of Next
2020-02-12 1600 UTC

Georg is hoping to have an appointment that day.

6) AOB
Georg doesn't have any AOB.

Ralph thanks Council for actively pushing XEPs through the process.

7) Close
Thanks.

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