Re: [Standards] PubSub Item Publisher

[Sergey Dobrov]

I was interested in it like 3 years ago, you may find such a discussion 
here, I also said about the issue at NA summit that year, I was said 
that it'll be fixed but we did not discuss any particular solutions.


I'd be OK if it was just enabled by default and would be mandatory, but 
I'm not sure if there are usecases when it's not preferable. In such 
case yes, I'd just add a node configuration field.


On 27/10/2016 10:35, Stefan Strigler wrote:

Yes, the PR now is just a small fix to what's inherently wrong.

I'd love to see a discussion about a possible config option.

Or maybe I should just create another PR as a proposal too?

So far it seemed like nobody is interested at all.

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:13 PM Sergey Dobrov > wrote:

It still does not answer how to determine from client if pubsub server
is going to send them. I.e. if I rely on this feature, I want to know in
advance if a particular service is suitable?


On 26/10/2016 14:58, Stefan Strigler wrote:
> Created a pull request https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/267
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:09 PM Stefan Strigler
> 
>> wrote:
>
> Also I assume that when this feature is enabled retrieving
items as
> described at
>
> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#subscriber-retrieve
>
> the response should also contain the publisher with each item.
Right?
> This should probably be added as a note to '7.1.2.3. Item
Publisher'.
>
> //Stefan
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 2:47 PM Stefan Strigler
> 
>> wrote:
>
> Hidey ho,
>
> XEP-0060 states
> at

http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#publisher-publish-success-publisher
that
>
> "If configured to do so, the service can include the publisher
> of the item" as in "" but
nothing
> more about this throughout the document.
>
> I assume it's meant as a per service configuration, so either
> all or no node would include the publisher. And I wondered
if it
> wouldn't make sense to have that (also?) as a per node
> configuration option. If so, what would/could it look like?
>
> label='Whether to include the publisher\'s jid
> with event notifications'>
>   false
> 
>
> I'd volunteer to add it to the XEP if people see fit.
>
> Thanks,
>
>   Stefan
>
>
>
> ___
> Standards mailing list
> Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
> Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org

> ___
>


--
With best regards,
Sergey Dobrov,
XMPP Developer and JRuDevels.org founder.
___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org

___



___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___




--
With best regards,
Sergey Dobrov,
XMPP Developer and JRuDevels.org founder.
___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___

Re: [Standards] PubSub Item Publisher

[Stefan Strigler]

Yes, the PR now is just a small fix to what's inherently wrong.

I'd love to see a discussion about a possible config option.

Or maybe I should just create another PR as a proposal too?

So far it seemed like nobody is interested at all.

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:13 PM Sergey Dobrov  wrote:

> It still does not answer how to determine from client if pubsub server
> is going to send them. I.e. if I rely on this feature, I want to know in
> advance if a particular service is suitable?
>
>
> On 26/10/2016 14:58, Stefan Strigler wrote:
> > Created a pull request https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/267
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:09 PM Stefan Strigler
> > > wrote:
> >
> > Also I assume that when this feature is enabled retrieving items as
> > described at
> >
> > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#subscriber-retrieve
> >
> > the response should also contain the publisher with each item. Right?
> > This should probably be added as a note to '7.1.2.3. Item Publisher'.
> >
> > //Stefan
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 2:47 PM Stefan Strigler
> > >
> wrote:
> >
> > Hidey ho,
> >
> > XEP-0060 states
> > at
> http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#publisher-publish-success-publisher
> that
> >
> > "If configured to do so, the service can include the publisher
> > of the item" as in "" but nothing
> > more about this throughout the document.
> >
> > I assume it's meant as a per service configuration, so either
> > all or no node would include the publisher. And I wondered if it
> > wouldn't make sense to have that (also?) as a per node
> > configuration option. If so, what would/could it look like?
> >
> >  >label='Whether to include the publisher\'s jid
> > with event notifications'>
> >   false
> > 
> >
> > I'd volunteer to add it to the XEP if people see fit.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >   Stefan
> >
> >
> >
> > ___
> > Standards mailing list
> > Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
> > Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
> > ___
> >
>
>
> --
> With best regards,
> Sergey Dobrov,
> XMPP Developer and JRuDevels.org founder.
> ___
> Standards mailing list
> Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
> Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
> ___
>
___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___

Re: [Standards] PubSub Item Publisher

[Sergey Dobrov]

It still does not answer how to determine from client if pubsub server 
is going to send them. I.e. if I rely on this feature, I want to know in 
advance if a particular service is suitable?



On 26/10/2016 14:58, Stefan Strigler wrote:

Created a pull request https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/267

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:09 PM Stefan Strigler
> wrote:

Also I assume that when this feature is enabled retrieving items as
described at

https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#subscriber-retrieve

the response should also contain the publisher with each item. Right?
This should probably be added as a note to '7.1.2.3. Item Publisher'.

//Stefan

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 2:47 PM Stefan Strigler
> wrote:

Hidey ho,

XEP-0060 states
at 
http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#publisher-publish-success-publisher
 that

"If configured to do so, the service can include the publisher
of the item" as in "" but nothing
more about this throughout the document.

I assume it's meant as a per service configuration, so either
all or no node would include the publisher. And I wondered if it
wouldn't make sense to have that (also?) as a per node
configuration option. If so, what would/could it look like?


  false


I'd volunteer to add it to the XEP if people see fit.

Thanks,

  Stefan



___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___




--
With best regards,
Sergey Dobrov,
XMPP Developer and JRuDevels.org founder.
___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___

Re: [Standards] PubSub Item Publisher

[Stefan Strigler]

Created a pull request https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/267

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 6:09 PM Stefan Strigler 
wrote:

> Also I assume that when this feature is enabled retrieving items as
> described at
>
> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#subscriber-retrieve
>
> the response should also contain the publisher with each item. Right?
> This should probably be added as a note to '7.1.2.3. Item Publisher'.
>
> //Stefan
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 2:47 PM Stefan Strigler 
> wrote:
>
> Hidey ho,
>
> XEP-0060 states at
> http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#publisher-publish-success-publisher
>  that
>
> "If configured to do so, the service can include the publisher of the
> item" as in "" but nothing more about this
> throughout the document.
>
> I assume it's meant as a per service configuration, so either all or no
> node would include the publisher. And I wondered if it wouldn't make sense
> to have that (also?) as a per node configuration option. If so, what
> would/could it look like?
>
> label='Whether to include the publisher\'s jid with event
> notifications'>
>   false
> 
>
> I'd volunteer to add it to the XEP if people see fit.
>
> Thanks,
>
>   Stefan
>
>
___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___

Re: [Standards] PubSub Item Publisher

[Stefan Strigler]

Also I assume that when this feature is enabled retrieving items as
described at

https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#subscriber-retrieve

the response should also contain the publisher with each item. Right?
This should probably be added as a note to '7.1.2.3. Item Publisher'.

//Stefan

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 2:47 PM Stefan Strigler 
wrote:

> Hidey ho,
>
> XEP-0060 states at
> http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#publisher-publish-success-publisher
>  that
>
> "If configured to do so, the service can include the publisher of the
> item" as in "" but nothing more about this
> throughout the document.
>
> I assume it's meant as a per service configuration, so either all or no
> node would include the publisher. And I wondered if it wouldn't make sense
> to have that (also?) as a per node configuration option. If so, what
> would/could it look like?
>
> label='Whether to include the publisher\'s jid with event
> notifications'>
>   false
> 
>
> I'd volunteer to add it to the XEP if people see fit.
>
> Thanks,
>
>   Stefan
>
___
Standards mailing list
Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org
___

Re: [Standards] Pubsub: Item Publisher again.

[Peter Saint-Andre]

On 2/24/12 5:51 AM, Sergey Dobrov wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I already asked but nothing happened:
 http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#publisher-publish-success-publisher
 says:
 
 If configured to do so, the service can include the publisher of the
 item when it generates event notifications.
 
 This isn't clear at all. How it should be configured? How to check if
 the service WILL include the publisher?

I think this is a gap in the spec. Something to fix when we work on
revisions later this year (I'll have cycles starting in April).

 Can we REQUIRE a service to include this? Because, it's really the only
 way to check if item publisher was not spoofed.
 
 For now I using that feature but have no any way to do it consistently.
 Without it, any publisher can sign it post with any other.
 
 The http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#impl-association doesn't
 reply to the question because it describes another behavior of the
 attribute and not switching it on or off.

Right. We need to define the configuration option for this.

Peter

-- 
Peter Saint-Andre
https://stpeter.im/