Re: [StPaul] re: gas prices!
Ban SUVs in StPaul? Why not? Let StPaul exercise local control here. It would have national import immediately. Other cities might do the same. SUVs would lose value. The highway lobby owns the Fed and the State. Let us hope not enuf of the City (council + mayor). We know how Kelly will go - highway - so we'd need 5 council people. It's nice to be able to say No when the Big Boys think we have no voice. --David Shove Roseville On Tue, 18 May 2004, popman wrote: I wish that Dave Thune would start to get tough. With his proposed smoking ban on everybody's mind, how about following it up with another ban thats been needed for a long, long time. What I would suggest would not only alleviate traffic congestion and lower the cost of street maintenance, it would also allow gas prices to go down and improve the public safety and help protect the environment. How about banning SUV'S and pickup trucks in the city limits with possible exceptions for permittees? I drive around just about everyday and I see nothing in these gas guzzling freaks that would justify their continued existence in the city. I don't see people busy hauling anything except their own fat behinds. Trucks are made to transport payloads and not a couple of super-sized munching machines that can't fit into a correctly sized vehicle. If pickups and SUV'S are not hauling real payloads, there is no real reason for their existence. If a ban were to happen, the public safety would be enhanced as well. We don't need studies and statistics to show what these monstrosities do to a reasonable sized vehicle in a accident. The sooner we get these things off the road, the safer we all, that drive correctly suited cars, will be. It's time to demand the end the subsidization of this huge gas guzzlers by the general public. It's time to ban their use in the city of St. Paul, or at least, demand a usage tax. When these vehicles cause a shortage of gas because of the gas they needlessly burn, we all pay for it at the pump. Why should I, driving a CORRECT vehicle for the city that recently celebrated 32.6 mpg, pay for gas shortages caused by SUV'S and pickup trucks that that get only 12 mpg? I didnt cause it, they did. It's time to turn this around and let the people that want to be piggish with the gas, PAY FOR THE SHORTAGE AT THE PUMPS! Give them the option: Either pay up or don't drive these gas pigs in OUR city!!! R. Hanson. St. Paul. __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ _ NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your password - visit: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul Archive Address: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/ _ NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your password - visit: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul Archive Address: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/
Re: [StPaul] re: gas prices!
there actually is precedent - the banning of semis on I 35 E, though i've seen som lately - but the better way to protect our city is by limiting the use of our streets through traffic calming and if possible reclaiming for other uses (Ayd Mill). Brian bates, MacGroveland David Shove wrote: Ban SUVs in StPaul? Why not? Let StPaul exercise local control here. It would have national import immediately. Other cities might do the same. SUVs would lose value. The highway lobby owns the Fed and the State. Let us hope not enuf of the City (council + mayor). We know how Kelly will go - highway - so we'd need 5 council people. It's nice to be able to say No when the Big Boys think we have no voice. --David Shove Roseville On Tue, 18 May 2004, popman wrote: I wish that Dave Thune would start to get tough. With his proposed smoking ban on everybody's mind, how about following it up with another ban that?s been needed for a long, long time. What I would suggest would not only alleviate traffic congestion and lower the cost of street maintenance, it would also allow gas prices to go down and improve the public safety and help protect the environment. How about banning SUV'S and pickup trucks in the city limits with possible exceptions for permittees? I drive around just about everyday and I see nothing in these gas guzzling freaks that would justify their continued existence in the city. I don't see people busy hauling anything except their own fat behinds. Trucks are made to transport payloads and not a couple of super-sized munching machines that can't fit into a correctly sized vehicle. If pickups and SUV'S are not hauling real payloads, there is no real reason for their existence. If a ban were to happen, the public safety would be enhanced as well. We don't need studies and statistics to show what these monstrosities do to a reasonable sized vehicle in a accident. The sooner we get these things off the road, the safer we all, that drive correctly suited cars, will be. It's time to demand the end the subsidization of this huge gas guzzlers by the general public. It's time to ban their use in the city of St. Paul, or at least, demand a usage tax. When these vehicles cause a shortage of gas because of the gas they needlessly burn, we all pay for it at the pump. Why should I, driving a CORRECT vehicle for the city that recently celebrated 32.6 mpg, pay for gas shortages caused by SUV'S and pickup trucks that that get only 12 mpg? I didn?t cause it, they did. It's time to turn this around and let the people that want to be piggish with the gas, PAY FOR THE SHORTAGE AT THE PUMPS! Give them the option: Either pay up or don't drive these gas pigs in OUR city!!! R. Hanson. St. Paul. __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ _ NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your password - visit: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul Archive Address: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/ _ NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your password - visit: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul Archive Address: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/ _ NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your password - visit: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul Archive Address: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/
Re: [StPaul] re: gas prices!
Damn! I just can't think this stuff up fast enough to keep sarcasm ahead of the reality of the progressive ban-wagon! My guess is that the lights will be on late nights over at the the secret 7th St. headquarters of The Progressive Protectors League (aka the Thune Gallery). TJSwift Cherokee Park Protectorate ps: Tim, how's the crow over at your place? ;-) --- brian bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there actually is precedent - David Shove wrote: Ban SUVs in StPaul? Why not? Let StPaul exercise local control here. On Tue, 18 May 2004, popman wrote: I wish that Dave Thune would start to get tough. With his proposed smoking ban on everybody's mind, how about following it up with another ban that?s been needed for a long, long time. __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ _ NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your password - visit: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul Archive Address: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/
[StPaul] re: gas prices!
Message: 1 Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 15:22:00 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [StPaul] re: gas prices! To: popman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 My response are bracketed. Hanson Brother, Don't forget that someone driving a 15 mpg vehicle for only 150 miles uses the same amount of fuel as someone driving a 30 mpg vehicle twice as far. So you need to look at total consumption and not just the rate of consumption. The eco-commuter from Durand, WI burns more fuel than the 5-mile-each-way pick-up trucker. Just because I CAN drink more than you doesn't mean I actually DO. Consider also banning poorly planned out trips, wasteful accelerating, idling while waiting for trains, out-of-tune engines, lawnmowers, etc. [Your just playing with figures here and it has nothing to go with reality. The reality is that most drive about 15,000 miles / year. Whether you do this in a Accura or a Yukon is the subject. Out of tune engines? Not these computer adjusted engines. These engines are designed to be adjusted automatically by an on board computer and they still only get 12 mpg at peak efficiency! Just because you can is reason enough to drink more than me and you do. Remember: This is America, the home of elitist capitalism. We don't have to have a legitimate reason to use, abuse and excuse, we do it because we can get away with it. Take a look at the speeders on the highway. They don't need a reason to break the speed laws. They do this because they know they can get away with it. Thats the current mentality we're dealing with.] I am trying to convince the DOC (Domestic Operating Committee) of the merits of owning a Vespa and am expecting a Vespa brochure next week. Hopefully they come with doggie sidecars. Perhaps you could send the DOC supporting material, and an application for Gas Tax Exempt status. Let the Gas Tax go up, for all I care. Gas prices are still low. The rest of the world is not envious of our low prices - they are angry and they ridicule us. In England, petrol is 80 pence per liter. Converting: (80 p/L)*(1.6 $/100p)*(3.785 L/US gal)= $4.84/gal, more than double what we pay. Cigarettes in the UK cost up to 4.6 pounds per pack, or $7.36, so this makes banning a little easier to do on the Emerald Isle (where I assume prices are similarly outrageous). [In a relationship to our population and our consumption to the world population, we are the big wasters in the world, no doubt about that. We seem to gluttonize the rage of the moment. Whether is wasting food in a game show atmosphere or wasting gas in car racing, people who don't have the resources do hate when they see us squander the worlds precious resources on such silliness. They know how important these resources are and we, on the other hand, haven't got the foggiest idea.] R. Hanson. St. Paul. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer _ NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your password - visit: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul Archive Address: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/
[StPaul] re: gas prices!
I wish that Dave Thune would start to get tough. With his proposed smoking ban on everybody's mind, how about following it up with another ban thats been needed for a long, long time. What I would suggest would not only alleviate traffic congestion and lower the cost of street maintenance, it would also allow gas prices to go down and improve the public safety and help protect the environment. How about banning SUV'S and pickup trucks in the city limits with possible exceptions for permittees? I drive around just about everyday and I see nothing in these gas guzzling freaks that would justify their continued existence in the city. I don't see people busy hauling anything except their own fat behinds. Trucks are made to transport payloads and not a couple of super-sized munching machines that can't fit into a correctly sized vehicle. If pickups and SUV'S are not hauling real payloads, there is no real reason for their existence. If a ban were to happen, the public safety would be enhanced as well. We don't need studies and statistics to show what these monstrosities do to a reasonable sized vehicle in a accident. The sooner we get these things off the road, the safer we all, that drive correctly suited cars, will be. It's time to demand the end the subsidization of this huge gas guzzlers by the general public. It's time to ban their use in the city of St. Paul, or at least, demand a usage tax. When these vehicles cause a shortage of gas because of the gas they needlessly burn, we all pay for it at the pump. Why should I, driving a CORRECT vehicle for the city that recently celebrated 32.6 mpg, pay for gas shortages caused by SUV'S and pickup trucks that that get only 12 mpg? I didnt cause it, they did. It's time to turn this around and let the people that want to be piggish with the gas, PAY FOR THE SHORTAGE AT THE PUMPS! Give them the option: Either pay up or don't drive these gas pigs in OUR city!!! R. Hanson. St. Paul. __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ _ NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your password - visit: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul Archive Address: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/
