EL and the developer's roadmap
OK, I'll bite. What does EL stand for? From what I'm hearing, there seems to be a current trend of moving away from Struts taglibs if there is a JSTL tag that has the same functionality. I admit that makes me a bit nervous as a newbie. I'm still learning the struts tags! The Goodwill book has an excellent appendix with _examples_ of individual tag usage. Now I guess I will have to get a book on JSTL book as well. Is there a Struts roadmap available anywhere? Sometimes I feel I am always running to to catch up in Struts. Mastered ActionForms? oops gotta learn DynaActionForms! Learned how to validate in the action class? , ha! better learn Dyna*Valid* stuff. Mastered struts-logic? no! learn JSTL! I know I don't have to use all new features but I would like have a little warning about what may be coming down the road. That is where a roadmap would come in very handy. I could know which technologies to watch and which to ignore in the short term. Thanks for listening. -- Vincent Stoessel Linux Systems Developer vincent xaymaca.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EL and the developer's roadmap
-Original Message- From: Vincent Stoessel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 8:31 AM To: Struts Users Subject: EL and the developer's roadmap OK, I'll bite. What does EL stand for? From what I'm hearing, there seems to be a current trend of moving away from Struts taglibs if there is a JSTL tag that has the same functionality. I admit that makes me a bit nervous as a newbie. I'm still learning the struts tags! The Goodwill book has an excellent appendix with _examples_ of individual tag usage. Now I guess I will have to get a book on JSTL book as well. Is there a Struts roadmap available anywhere? Sometimes I feel I am always running to to catch up in Struts. Mastered ActionForms? oops gotta learn DynaActionForms! Learned how to validate in the action class? , ha! better learn Dyna*Valid* stuff. Mastered struts-logic? no! learn JSTL! I know I don't have to use all new features but I would like have a little warning about what may be coming down the road. That is where a roadmap would come in very handy. I could know which technologies to watch and which to ignore in the short term. Thanks for listening. I wouldn't go so far as to call it a movement away from using Struts tags. I'm an individual. I had an idea to combine the Struts tag library with the JSTL EL engine (which stands for expression language). I wrote the library and contributed it. Some people want to experiment with JSTL while using Struts, which I think is a good idea. Now, I would definitely say there is a trend towards using the EL syntax, as the JSP 2.0 specification will allow that syntax, both in attribute values, and in general content. There is only one constant, and that is change. If you are determined to keep track of the latest developments in everything you're involved with, it will definitely be a challenge. My advice is to pick the areas you want to concentrate on. Determine areas that you PLAN to ignore, at least while it's on the bleeding edge. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EL and the developer's roadmap
Sometimes I feel I am always running to to catch up in Struts. Mastered ActionForms? oops gotta learn DynaActionForms! Learned how to validate in the action class? , ha! better learn Dyna*Valid* stuff. Mastered struts-logic? no! learn JSTL! I feel the same way. :) I was trying to get a good start in 1.0 before going to 1.1, and I just discovered that I must already be using 1.1 since LabelValueBean works. (I think James Mitchell converted me with the new struts-example putting jsp's under WEB-INF. Thanks! That has to be the least painful conversion I've ever been through. :) For some reason I thought Struts 1.1 required JSP 1.2. I'm now looking for a Contants class or a VERSION variable somewhere. Is there a way for me to know for sure what version of Struts I'm using? Compare the file sizes? (It's 327 kb.) -- Wendy Smoak http://sourceforge.net/projects/unidbtags
Re: EL and the developer's roadmap
I'm with you Vincent! I am really enjoying getting into Struts, but wow, the new stuff comes up fast! I just got a copy of Goodwill's book last week, and am looking forward to other references coming out next month. I can't wait until I don't feel like such a newbie! A roadmap is a very handy idea, but by nature open source projects may not be conducive to one. Susan Vincent Stoessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/03/2002 11:30 AM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List To: Struts Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:EL and the developer's roadmap OK, I'll bite. What does EL stand for? From what I'm hearing, there seems to be a current trend of moving away from Struts taglibs if there is a JSTL tag that has the same functionality. I admit that makes me a bit nervous as a newbie. I'm still learning the struts tags! The Goodwill book has an excellent appendix with _examples_ of individual tag usage. Now I guess I will have to get a book on JSTL book as well. Is there a Struts roadmap available anywhere? Sometimes I feel I am always running to to catch up in Struts. Mastered ActionForms? oops gotta learn DynaActionForms! Learned how to validate in the action class? , ha! better learn Dyna*Valid* stuff. Mastered struts-logic? no! learn JSTL! I know I don't have to use all new features but I would like have a little warning about what may be coming down the road. That is where a roadmap would come in very handy. I could know which technologies to watch and which to ignore in the short term. Thanks for listening. -- Vincent Stoessel Linux Systems Developer vincent xaymaca.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: EL and the developer's roadmap
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Vincent Stoessel wrote: Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:30:35 -0400 From: Vincent Stoessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: EL and the developer's roadmap OK, I'll bite. What does EL stand for? The acronym EL stands for expression language -- one of the very cool features in JSTL 1.0 (and JSP 2.0 will let you use it anywhere in your pages, even in template text). From what I'm hearing, there seems to be a current trend of moving away from Struts taglibs if there is a JSTL tag that has the same functionality. I admit that makes me a bit nervous as a newbie. I'm still learning the struts tags! The Goodwill book has an excellent appendix with _examples_ of individual tag usage. Now I guess I will have to get a book on JSTL book as well. Is there a Struts roadmap available anywhere? Sometimes I feel I am always running to to catch up in Struts. Mastered ActionForms? oops gotta learn DynaActionForms! Learned how to validate in the action class? , ha! better learn Dyna*Valid* stuff. Mastered struts-logic? no! learn JSTL! We haven't formally discussed it on the STRUTS-DEV list yet, but I would assume that future versions of Struts will feature the use of the standard tags (JSTL now, JavaServer Faces when it's available) as the recommended approach for new apps. That being said, there are thousands of apps using the existing Struts tags, so they are not going to go away any time soon. I know I don't have to use all new features but I would like have a little warning about what may be coming down the road. That is where a roadmap would come in very handy. I could know which technologies to watch and which to ignore in the short term. Thanks for listening. The current and upcoming technologies I would definitely pay attention to for Struts related stuff: * Servlet 2.3 and 2.4 (especially filters and event listeners) * JSP Standard Tag Library (JSTL 1.0) and the recently added struts-el library in the contrib directory of the nightly builds that adds EL-compatible evaluations to existing Struts tags * JSP 2.0 (lots and lots of really cool things, including EL expressions everywhere and the ability to create custom tags out of chunks of JSP code) * JavaServer Faces (JSR-127) for user interface components * Portlet API (JSR-168) for writing portlets that can be run in any conforming portal server * JAXP/1.2 (part of the Java Web Services Developer Pack and Java XML Pack from java.sun.com) for the latest additions to XML parsing and transformations (JSTL includes lots of good tags for XML processing) * JAX-RPC/1.0 (part of the Java Web Services Developer Pack and Java XML Pack from java.sun.com) for integrating SOAP-based web services that can utilize the same business logic components as your Struts-based web applications do -- a reward for people who follow good MVC-oriented architecture principles :-) Much of this stuff is still in the future. If you're just starting out, don't feel shy about learning the existing Struts tag library and using it -- you've got lots of company. But, plan on migrating to standards based technologies as they become available to you in the future, to gain the benefits of competition between vendors on how well they implemented those technologies (all the while secure in the knowledge that your app will be portable). -- Vincent Stoessel Linux Systems Developer vincent xaymaca.com Craig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EL and the developer's roadmap
First time I've heard of EL too. Where can I get more info? -Original Message- From: Karr, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:06 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: EL and the developer's roadmap -Original Message- From: Vincent Stoessel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 8:31 AM To: Struts Users Subject: EL and the developer's roadmap OK, I'll bite. What does EL stand for? From what I'm hearing, there seems to be a current trend of moving away from Struts taglibs if there is a JSTL tag that has the same functionality. I admit that makes me a bit nervous as a newbie. I'm still learning the struts tags! The Goodwill book has an excellent appendix with _examples_ of individual tag usage. Now I guess I will have to get a book on JSTL book as well. Is there a Struts roadmap available anywhere? Sometimes I feel I am always running to to catch up in Struts. Mastered ActionForms? oops gotta learn DynaActionForms! Learned how to validate in the action class? , ha! better learn Dyna*Valid* stuff. Mastered struts-logic? no! learn JSTL! I know I don't have to use all new features but I would like have a little warning about what may be coming down the road. That is where a roadmap would come in very handy. I could know which technologies to watch and which to ignore in the short term. Thanks for listening. I wouldn't go so far as to call it a movement away from using Struts tags. I'm an individual. I had an idea to combine the Struts tag library with the JSTL EL engine (which stands for expression language). I wrote the library and contributed it. Some people want to experiment with JSTL while using Struts, which I think is a good idea. Now, I would definitely say there is a trend towards using the EL syntax, as the JSP 2.0 specification will allow that syntax, both in attribute values, and in general content. There is only one constant, and that is change. If you are determined to keep track of the latest developments in everything you're involved with, it will definitely be a challenge. My advice is to pick the areas you want to concentrate on. Determine areas that you PLAN to ignore, at least while it's on the bleeding edge. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EL and the developer's roadmap
-Original Message- From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:55 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: EL and the developer's roadmap First time I've heard of EL too. Where can I get more info? You can first read the JSTL specification, which you can download from http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/jstl/. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EL and the developer's roadmap
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Galbreath, Mark wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:54:54 -0400 From: Galbreath, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: EL and the developer's roadmap First time I've heard of EL too. Where can I get more info? The best place would be the JSTL related info at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/jstl/index.html or one of the books about JSTL. Craig -Original Message- From: Karr, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:06 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: EL and the developer's roadmap -Original Message- From: Vincent Stoessel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 8:31 AM To: Struts Users Subject: EL and the developer's roadmap OK, I'll bite. What does EL stand for? From what I'm hearing, there seems to be a current trend of moving away from Struts taglibs if there is a JSTL tag that has the same functionality. I admit that makes me a bit nervous as a newbie. I'm still learning the struts tags! The Goodwill book has an excellent appendix with _examples_ of individual tag usage. Now I guess I will have to get a book on JSTL book as well. Is there a Struts roadmap available anywhere? Sometimes I feel I am always running to to catch up in Struts. Mastered ActionForms? oops gotta learn DynaActionForms! Learned how to validate in the action class? , ha! better learn Dyna*Valid* stuff. Mastered struts-logic? no! learn JSTL! I know I don't have to use all new features but I would like have a little warning about what may be coming down the road. That is where a roadmap would come in very handy. I could know which technologies to watch and which to ignore in the short term. Thanks for listening. I wouldn't go so far as to call it a movement away from using Struts tags. I'm an individual. I had an idea to combine the Struts tag library with the JSTL EL engine (which stands for expression language). I wrote the library and contributed it. Some people want to experiment with JSTL while using Struts, which I think is a good idea. Now, I would definitely say there is a trend towards using the EL syntax, as the JSP 2.0 specification will allow that syntax, both in attribute values, and in general content. There is only one constant, and that is change. If you are determined to keep track of the latest developments in everything you're involved with, it will definitely be a challenge. My advice is to pick the areas you want to concentrate on. Determine areas that you PLAN to ignore, at least while it's on the bleeding edge. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: EL and the developer's roadmap
Have you been filtering my posts again, Mark?! Galbreath, Mark wrote: First time I've heard of EL too. Where can I get more info? -- Eddie Bush -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EL and the developer's roadmap
Hi Mark, You might want to check out Shawn Bayern's new book: JSTL in action, Manning ISBN: 1-930110-52-9 It's kind of geared towards beginners (which I know your not) but the information in it is great even for people who have worked with taglibs for a while now. Check out Shawn's website for more info. http://www.jstlbook.com -Tim -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:37 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: EL and the developer's roadmap On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Galbreath, Mark wrote: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:54:54 -0400 From: Galbreath, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: EL and the developer's roadmap First time I've heard of EL too. Where can I get more info? The best place would be the JSTL related info at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/jstl/index.html or one of the books about JSTL. Craig -Original Message- From: Karr, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:06 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: EL and the developer's roadmap -Original Message- From: Vincent Stoessel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 8:31 AM To: Struts Users Subject: EL and the developer's roadmap OK, I'll bite. What does EL stand for? From what I'm hearing, there seems to be a current trend of moving away from Struts taglibs if there is a JSTL tag that has the same functionality. I admit that makes me a bit nervous as a newbie. I'm still learning the struts tags! The Goodwill book has an excellent appendix with _examples_ of individual tag usage. Now I guess I will have to get a book on JSTL book as well. Is there a Struts roadmap available anywhere? Sometimes I feel I am always running to to catch up in Struts. Mastered ActionForms? oops gotta learn DynaActionForms! Learned how to validate in the action class? , ha! better learn Dyna*Valid* stuff. Mastered struts-logic? no! learn JSTL! I know I don't have to use all new features but I would like have a little warning about what may be coming down the road. That is where a roadmap would come in very handy. I could know which technologies to watch and which to ignore in the short term. Thanks for listening. I wouldn't go so far as to call it a movement away from using Struts tags. I'm an individual. I had an idea to combine the Struts tag library with the JSTL EL engine (which stands for expression language). I wrote the library and contributed it. Some people want to experiment with JSTL while using Struts, which I think is a good idea. Now, I would definitely say there is a trend towards using the EL syntax, as the JSP 2.0 specification will allow that syntax, both in attribute values, and in general content. There is only one constant, and that is change. If you are determined to keep track of the latest developments in everything you're involved with, it will definitely be a challenge. My advice is to pick the areas you want to concentrate on. Determine areas that you PLAN to ignore, at least while it's on the bleeding edge. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EL and the developer's roadmap
Nah, just sending your messages back to you marked unable to deliver. -Original Message- From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:39 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: EL and the developer's roadmap Have you been filtering my posts again, Mark?! Galbreath, Mark wrote: First time I've heard of EL too. Where can I get more info? -- Eddie Bush -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EL and the developer's roadmap
First time I've heard of EL too. Where can I get more info? Others have already noted http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/jstl/index.html Also have a look at a couple of OnJava articles (the printable versions) http://www.onjava.com/lpt/a/2611 http://www.onjava.com/lpt/a/2610 Kevin. __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EL and the developer's roadmap
and then there is http://java.sun.com/webservices/docs/1.0/tutorial/doc/JSTL.html SS -Original Message- From: Kevin HaleBoyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: EL and the developer's roadmap First time I've heard of EL too. Where can I get more info? Others have already noted http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/jstl/index.html Also have a look at a couple of OnJava articles (the printable versions) http://www.onjava.com/lpt/a/2611 http://www.onjava.com/lpt/a/2610 Kevin. __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
