Re: new website - or "jet lag is good"

[Dirk Hohndel]

On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 09:33:22PM +0200, Robert C. Helling wrote:
> > 
> >  The reality is that a lot of people consume the web on iPads and not
> >  on desktops and that changes some of the underlying ideas of what you
> >  can show and how you should show it. Less visual clutter is the main
> >  goal here...
> 
> I just asked my wife (who has an advertising background) to have a look
> at the new page.
> 
> Her main comment was that she would want some more visual information on
> „is this for me“ on the landing page. The widget with the four slides is
> nice but does not convey a lot of information and the text below she
> says she would not look at at a first go. She suggested to add a few
> more screen shots where the first time visitor gets an idea on what it’s
> all about. Show a look at the log and profile, show a photo of a dive
> computer (or several for that matter) connected to a laptop about to
> download, maybe show the planner. She wants a visual impression before
> having to download and install something, or click to the manual and
> scroll down for several pages. The video tutorial would also be good, if
> it were about the latest version and did not start with how to install
> or build it from the command line („that says very loud: Not for me“ she
> says). Just something that invites the person that happens to come
> across that page (due to a link or recommendation).

I tried to do at least some of what your wife suggests (and thanks for
relaying that feedback, that's really helpful).

The planner is already shown in the slider (the four pictures sliding
across the screen). A picture with dive computers downloading... I tried
this before and it looks meaningless - I never could create a pictue that
actually conveyed anything but clutter and confusion.

So I hope what we have now is better. It's pretty much what I want to go
with for the website launch. Now I need to find time to clean up more of
the old posts and the translators need to find the time and energy to make
at least the landing page work well across our supported languages.

Thanks, everyone

/D

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Re: new website - or "jet lag is good"

[Salvador Cuñat]

Hi again.

2015-10-11 8:22 GMT+02:00 Salvador Cuñat :

> Good morning.
>
> 2015-10-11 8:01 GMT+02:00 Dirk Hohndel :
>
>> After about 20 hours of editing and copying and modifying I have a mockup
>> of the new website ready.
>>
>> Please go to http://ssrftest.subsurface-divelog.org and let me know what
>> you think.
>>
>>
>> It looks rather bizarre in my browser  };-)
>
>
> Previous  snapshot only happens on translated page (shows a column with
*all* translations, english original included).  In english, page looks
just fine.

Regards.

Salva.
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RE: new website - or "jet lag is good"

[Steve]

After about 20 hours of editing and copying and modifying I have a mockup of
the new website ready.

 

Please go to http://ssrftest.subsurface-divelog.org and let me know what you
think.

 

I know that there are a few glitches... I finally need to try to get back to
a sane sleeping rhythm so I'll stop now even though I'm not completely done.

The dive computer ramblings need to be cleaned up. The translations of the
manuals are missing.

The translations of many of the pages are completely out of whack and most
pages haven't been updated to 4.5

So don't think of this as reviewing content (with the exception of the
landing page), but of reviewing layout and overall look and feel.

 

Thanks

 

/D

 

 

Looks good on my laptop.

I would change the different languages bar to the top rather than at the
bottom which you need to scroll down before you see it from the homepage.

 

Steve

 

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Re: new website - or "jet lag is good"

[Joakim Bygdell]

> On 11 Oct 2015, at 8:01, Dirk Hohndel  wrote:
> 
> After about 20 hours of editing and copying and modifying I have a mockup of 
> the new website ready.
> 
> Please go to http://ssrftest.subsurface-divelog.org 
>  and let me know what you think.
> 
> I know that there are a few glitches... I finally need to try to get back to 
> a sane sleeping rhythm so I'll stop now even though I'm not completely done.
> The dive computer ramblings need to be cleaned up. The translations of the 
> manuals are missing.
> The translations of many of the pages are completely out of whack and most 
> pages haven't been updated to 4.5
> So don't think of this as reviewing content (with the exception of the 
> landing page), but of reviewing layout and overall look and feel.
> 
Adding a few thing to what the others have said.

The lefthand navigation frame goes all the way to the bottom of the page and 
thus covers the language row with the result that only “sh” from English is 
visible.
It is really apparent on the bugtracker page.

I suggest that the command snippets get placed in a scrollable frame, 
otherwise the page gets disproportionally wide when viewed on a phone


/Jocke

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Re: new website - or "jet lag is good"

[John Smith]

Something weird going on in the MISC section 




Sent from my iPad

> On 11 Oct 2015, at 07:01, Dirk Hohndel  wrote:
> 
> After about 20 hours of editing and copying and modifying I have a mockup of 
> the new website ready.
> 
> Please go to http://ssrftest.subsurface-divelog.org and let me know what you 
> think.
> 
> I know that there are a few glitches... I finally need to try to get back to 
> a sane sleeping rhythm so I'll stop now even though I'm not completely done.
> The dive computer ramblings need to be cleaned up. The translations of the 
> manuals are missing.
> The translations of many of the pages are completely out of whack and most 
> pages haven't been updated to 4.5
> So don't think of this as reviewing content (with the exception of the 
> landing page), but of reviewing layout and overall look and feel.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> /D
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Re: new website - or "jet lag is good"

[Davide DB]

Hi Dirk,

Did you changed/updated the cms you used for the website?
While translating Italian pages I remember it was a pita. I had to insert
html escape chars by myself.
On Oct 11, 2015 8:01 AM, "Dirk Hohndel"  wrote:

> After about 20 hours of editing and copying and modifying I have a mockup
> of the new website ready.
>
> Please go to http://ssrftest.subsurface-divelog.org and let me know what
> you think.
>
> I know that there are a few glitches... I finally need to try to get back
> to a sane sleeping rhythm so I'll stop now even though I'm not completely
> done.
> The dive computer ramblings need to be cleaned up. The translations of the
> manuals are missing.
> The translations of many of the pages are completely out of whack and most
> pages haven't been updated to 4.5
> So don't think of this as reviewing content (with the exception of the
> landing page), but of reviewing layout and overall look and feel.
>
> Thanks
>
> /D
>
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Re: new website - or "jet lag is good"

[Gaetan Bisson]

[2015-10-10 23:01:15 -0700] Dirk Hohndel:
> Please go to http://ssrftest.subsurface-divelog.org 
>  and let me know what you think.

Wow, great work, that really looks awesome.

The only thing I noted is that we have two redundant social media
banners (one in "top-header" and the other in "footer-bottom"); perhaps
the top one could be removed so page contents get bumped up?

Cheers.

-- 
Gaetan
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Re: new website - or "jet lag is good"

[Rick Walsh]

Hi,

On 11 Oct 2015 17:01, "Dirk Hohndel"  wrote:
>
> After about 20 hours of editing and copying and modifying I have a mockup
of the new website ready.
>
> Please go to http://ssrftest.subsurface-divelog.org and let me know what
you think.

I've had a quick look on my phone. Using Chrome on my Galaxy S6.  I like
the new layout, including that it draws attention to cool features at the
top. A few points.
-Main headings on each page are inconsistent size. Landing page is small.
Downloads is large. FAQ is small, etc.
-I think the heading colour would look better as "Subsurface blue", rather
than black.
-How will the page look on old/text browsers? Not sure this really matters
for a solely desktop/smartphone program.
-On the landing page is it better to elaborate on the features in case the
reader doesn't wait to scroll through them at the top? Cloud storage,
platforms and the planner aren't mentioned except in the bit that flashes
through at the top.

Rick

>
> I know that there are a few glitches... I finally need to try to get back
to a sane sleeping rhythm so I'll stop now even though I'm not completely
done.
> The dive computer ramblings need to be cleaned up. The translations of
the manuals are missing.
> The translations of many of the pages are completely out of whack and
most pages haven't been updated to 4.5
> So don't think of this as reviewing content (with the exception of the
landing page), but of reviewing layout and overall look and feel.
>
> Thanks
>
> /D
>
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Re: new website - or "jet lag is good"

[Dirk Hohndel]

Responding to my own email...

> On Oct 11, 2015, at 6:40 AM, Dirk Hohndel  wrote:
> 
> Ahh,
> 
> Clearly it's much easier to get feedback on the website than to get people to 
> test :-)
> 
> Is this an example of the bike shedding phenomenon? :-)

First things first. Me and my big mouth.
What I should have said was "Thank you to all of you who provided feedback. 
Much appreciated. I need as many people as possible to look at this and help me 
iron out the kinks before the site goes live".

> I'll try to answer to all of the comments here...
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 11:20 PM, Rick Walsh > > wrote:
>> I've had a quick look on my phone. Using Chrome on my Galaxy S6.  I like the 
>> new layout, including that it draws attention to cool features at the top. A 
>> few points.
>> -Main headings on each page are inconsistent size. Landing page is small. 
>> Downloads is large. FAQ is small, etc.
>> 
> 
> Yes, I noticed that, too. The pages are two different ways - Landing and FAQ 
> use an additional toolset that the other pages don't use. I'll take a look at 
> how to make this consistent.

I think I have now fixed most of them - I know there are a couple left that are 
a different size and black (see next item). If you stumble across them please 
point them out here so I don't end up missing any.

>> -I think the heading colour would look better as "Subsurface blue", rather 
>> than black.
>> 
> 
> Good point

This should be fixed for most, see previous point.
>> -On the landing page is it better to elaborate on the features in case the 
>> reader doesn't wait to scroll through them at the top? Cloud storage, 
>> platforms and the planner aren't mentioned except in the bit that flashes 
>> through at the top.
>> 
> 
> I tried both ways and it felt really redundant. So I'm not sure what to do 
> here. I'll ask a friend of mine who has helped me with rewording this page 
> (and as working on writing a better announcement). She tends to know what 
> works with audiences :-)
> 

What do people here think. I just added a German translation for the landing 
page and did that slightly differently - I'm not sure it's better, though.

>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 11:22 PM, Salvador Cuñat > > wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning.
>> 
>> 2015-10-11 8:01 GMT+02:00 Dirk Hohndel > >:
>> After about 20 hours of editing and copying and modifying I have a mockup of 
>> the new website ready.
>> 
>> Please go to http://ssrftest.subsurface-divelog.org 
>>  and let me know what you think.
>> 
>> 
>> It looks rather bizarre in my browser  };-)
> 
> 
> Yes, I kinda mentioned that but should have said it more strongly...
> a) the site automatically follows the language settings of your browser - so 
> if you usually browse the web in Spanish (or German) it will show you that 
> translation (which hopefully means less need for the language switching)
> b) while I spent a ton of time migrating a good chunk of the translations, 
> the landing page and the dive ramblings page and most of the posts are broken 
> with respect to translations
> But many other pages should do the right thing, e.g. the FAQ or the Downloads 
> page (except that I believe I have some changed to the non-existend 4.5 and 
> some are the old text). Which reminds me, I noticed that the translations are 
> WAY out of sync for some of the pages. As everything else we do, this is all 
> a matter of the right people having enough time. Where the "right people" way 
> to often ends up being "me".

So I think with the exception of the landing page and many of the older news 
items all the translations should now be cleaned up.
I'll send a separate email about web site translations in a moment.

>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 11:34 PM, Steve > > wrote:
>>  
>> Looks good on my laptop.
>> I would change the different languages bar to the top rather than at the 
>> bottom which you need to scroll down before you see it from the homepage.
> 
> 
> Well, it's at the bottom on purpose because as I mentioned above, most people 
> should never need it and having it on the top means it steals important 
> vertical space when you first open the page. So I think I'll leave it on the 
> bottom.

I left it at the bottom but moved it up above the footer with the social media 
icons. It now gets correctly resized / wrapped if the window is too narrow.

>> On Oct 11, 2015, at 1:02 AM, Gaetan Bisson > > wrote:
>> 
>> The only thing I noted is that we have two redundant social media
>> banners (one in "top-header" and the other in "footer-bottom"); perhaps
>> the top one could be removed so page contents get bumped up?
> 
> 
> Oh, good catch - I thought I had disabled the 

Re: new website - or "jet lag is good"

[Robert C. Helling]

Hi,

> On 11 Oct 2015, at 15:40, Dirk Hohndel  wrote:
> 
>  The reality is that a lot of people consume the web on iPads and not on 
> desktops and that changes some of the underlying ideas of what you can show 
> and how you should show it. Less visual clutter is the main goal here...

I just asked my wife (who has an advertising background) to have a look at the 
new page.

Her main comment was that she would want some more visual information on „is 
this for me“ on the landing page. The widget with the four slides is nice but 
does not convey a lot of information and the text below she says she would not 
look at at a first go. She suggested to add a few more screen shots where the 
first time visitor gets an idea on what it’s all about. Show a look at the log 
and profile, show a photo of a dive computer (or several for that matter) 
connected to a laptop about to download, maybe show the planner. She wants a 
visual impression before having to download and install something, or click to 
the manual and scroll down for several pages. The video tutorial would also be 
good, if it were about the latest version and did not start with how to install 
or build it from the command line („that says very loud: Not for me“ she says). 
Just something that invites the person that happens to come across that page 
(due to a link or recommendation).

Best
Robert


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