Re: [Sugar-devel] XO-1 keyboard issues, partial setxkbmap workaround
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 03:23:39AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 04:26:17AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: [olpc set /etc/sysconfig/keyboard from OFW's data and had no UI for keyboard configuration] We could just get rid of the keyboard configure GUI and have people edit the file still (and automatically maintain it as you suggest). The range of choices available in the config file is huge, and I'm not sure what it really adds to give people a very limited UI. But that will work only on the XO :-). Define work :). Editing a file works everywhere. Editing a file that's maintained by the distribution (SoaS) works everywhere in that distro. Thanks, Sayamindu Martin pgp1sRhOdkpSp.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Unable to create usb stick on ubuntu 8.10
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Torello Querci tore...@torosoft.com wrote: I try to create usb stick using soas image soas2_200903251017.iso All the step seems to run correctly but when I try to insert the stick in the usb to boot a got a messate about syslink and after a white screen with no possibility to boot. The stick is created on a ubuntu 8.10 distro. I'm having the same problem with kubuntu 8.04 hardy and it seems to be an issue with syslinux one workaround is to edit cf/syslinux/syslinux.cfg and change the line:: default vesamenu.c32 to:: default linux0 near the beginning of the file; you lose the graphical boot choice screen, but at least the stick works. do you know what versions of syslinux are on your ubuntu and on the fedora machine that worked? -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' homepage: http://www.trueelena.org email: elena.valha...@gmail.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Unable to create usb stick on ubuntu 8.10
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 11:12, Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Torello Querci tore...@torosoft.com wrote: I try to create usb stick using soas image soas2_200903251017.iso All the step seems to run correctly but when I try to insert the stick in the usb to boot a got a messate about syslink and after a white screen with no possibility to boot. The stick is created on a ubuntu 8.10 distro. I'm having the same problem with kubuntu 8.04 hardy and it seems to be an issue with syslinux one workaround is to edit cf/syslinux/syslinux.cfg and change the line:: default vesamenu.c32 to:: default linux0 near the beginning of the file; you lose the graphical boot choice screen, but at least the stick works. That's a very cool trick! do you know what versions of syslinux are on your ubuntu and on the fedora machine that worked? I had the same problem on a Ubuntu 8.10 machine and I think that Simon also had the same issue on Fedora 10. I was able to get the graphical boot working by manually building syslinux 3.73 (sources from upstream). Maybe we should disable graphical booting if syslinux 3.73 is present? Regards, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Unable to create usb stick on ubuntu 8.10
Il giorno gio, 26/03/2009 alle 11.17 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso ha scritto: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 11:12, Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Torello Querci tore...@torosoft.com wrote: I try to create usb stick using soas image soas2_200903251017.iso All the step seems to run correctly but when I try to insert the stick in the usb to boot a got a messate about syslink and after a white screen with no possibility to boot. The stick is created on a ubuntu 8.10 distro. I'm having the same problem with kubuntu 8.04 hardy and it seems to be an issue with syslinux one workaround is to edit cf/syslinux/syslinux.cfg and change the line:: default vesamenu.c32 to:: default linux0 near the beginning of the file; you lose the graphical boot choice screen, but at least the stick works. That's a very cool trick! do you know what versions of syslinux are on your ubuntu and on the fedora machine that worked? I had the same problem on a Ubuntu 8.10 machine and I think that Simon also had the same issue on Fedora 10. I was able to get the graphical boot working by manually building syslinux 3.73 (sources from upstream). Maybe we should disable graphical booting if syslinux 3.73 is present? Now works, the syslinux version number is 3.63 so I suppose that your suggestion is good to able more users to use soas if they have a not updated version of syslinux. Thanks Torello Querci ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Unable to create usb stick on ubuntu 8.10
Il giorno gio, 26/03/2009 alle 11.17 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso ha scritto: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 11:12, Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Torello Querci tore...@torosoft.com wrote: I try to create usb stick using soas image soas2_200903251017.iso All the step seems to run correctly but when I try to insert the stick in the usb to boot a got a messate about syslink and after a white screen with no possibility to boot. The stick is created on a ubuntu 8.10 distro. I'm having the same problem with kubuntu 8.04 hardy and it seems to be an issue with syslinux one workaround is to edit cf/syslinux/syslinux.cfg and change the line:: default vesamenu.c32 to:: default linux0 near the beginning of the file; you lose the graphical boot choice screen, but at least the stick works. That's a very cool trick! do you know what versions of syslinux are on your ubuntu and on the fedora machine that worked? I had the same problem on a Ubuntu 8.10 machine and I think that Simon also had the same issue on Fedora 10. I was able to get the graphical boot working by manually building syslinux 3.73 (sources from upstream). Maybe we should disable graphical booting if syslinux 3.73 is present? Tomeu, about time need to make this changes? I suppose that is better if we change the wiki page to add this trick Regards, Torello ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Unable to create usb stick on ubuntu 8.10
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 11:54, Torello Querci tore...@torosoft.com wrote: Il giorno gio, 26/03/2009 alle 11.17 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso ha scritto: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 11:12, Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Torello Querci tore...@torosoft.com wrote: I try to create usb stick using soas image soas2_200903251017.iso All the step seems to run correctly but when I try to insert the stick in the usb to boot a got a messate about syslink and after a white screen with no possibility to boot. The stick is created on a ubuntu 8.10 distro. I'm having the same problem with kubuntu 8.04 hardy and it seems to be an issue with syslinux one workaround is to edit cf/syslinux/syslinux.cfg and change the line:: default vesamenu.c32 to:: default linux0 near the beginning of the file; you lose the graphical boot choice screen, but at least the stick works. That's a very cool trick! do you know what versions of syslinux are on your ubuntu and on the fedora machine that worked? I had the same problem on a Ubuntu 8.10 machine and I think that Simon also had the same issue on Fedora 10. I was able to get the graphical boot working by manually building syslinux 3.73 (sources from upstream). Maybe we should disable graphical booting if syslinux 3.73 is present? Tomeu, about time need to make this changes? I suppose that is better if we change the wiki page to add this trick Yes, perhaps it's better to update the wiki now. We can work with upstream to make that step automatically in the livecd-iso-to-disk.sh tool. Can you take care of that? Thanks, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC Proposal
Hi, Incorporated Changes in the proposal after talking with bemasc, BryanWB and Martin Langoff on IRC and mails... The proposal reflects the recent changes. Please take a look and comment on it. The link is : http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Educational_Toolkit Regards, Deepank. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Deepank Gupta deepankgu...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, The proposal has been updated with the timeline also. Please have a look and comment on the same at : http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Educational_Toolkit in the 2009 GSoC Applications category. Thanks, Deepank http://deepank.blogspot.com On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Deepank Gupta deepankgu...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I have made a rough draft of the GSoC Proposal for the educational Toolkit and will need comments from the community to make it better. Please find the proposal at : http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Educational_Toolkit in the 2009 GSoC Application category. Looking forward to hearing about the same. Regards, Deepank http://deepank.blogspot.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Unable to create usb stick on ubuntu 8.10
Il giorno gio, 26/03/2009 alle 13.04 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso ha scritto: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 11:54, Torello Querci tore...@torosoft.com wrote: Il giorno gio, 26/03/2009 alle 11.17 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso ha scritto: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 11:12, Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Torello Querci tore...@torosoft.com wrote: I try to create usb stick using soas image soas2_200903251017.iso All the step seems to run correctly but when I try to insert the stick in the usb to boot a got a messate about syslink and after a white screen with no possibility to boot. The stick is created on a ubuntu 8.10 distro. I'm having the same problem with kubuntu 8.04 hardy and it seems to be an issue with syslinux one workaround is to edit cf/syslinux/syslinux.cfg and change the line:: default vesamenu.c32 to:: default linux0 near the beginning of the file; you lose the graphical boot choice screen, but at least the stick works. That's a very cool trick! do you know what versions of syslinux are on your ubuntu and on the fedora machine that worked? I had the same problem on a Ubuntu 8.10 machine and I think that Simon also had the same issue on Fedora 10. I was able to get the graphical boot working by manually building syslinux 3.73 (sources from upstream). Maybe we should disable graphical booting if syslinux 3.73 is present? Tomeu, about time need to make this changes? I suppose that is better if we change the wiki page to add this trick Yes, perhaps it's better to update the wiki now. We can work with upstream to make that step automatically in the livecd-iso-to-disk.sh tool. Can you take care of that? Just do it :) Regards Torello ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC Proposal
2009/3/26 Deepank Gupta deepankgu...@gmail.com: Incorporated Changes in the proposal after talking with bemasc, BryanWB and Martin Langoff on IRC and mails... The proposal reflects the recent changes. Please take a look and comment on it. The link is : http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Educational_Toolkit For what it is worth, your time-line for testing cycles seem a bit on the optimistic side. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work Sent from Calcutta, WB, India ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC Proposal
Sankarshan, You are absolutely right and it has been done deliberately. I have seen over the past that keeping the initial testing cycles small helps keep everybody on their toes. It is like the 80-20 rule, 80% of the bugs are small and irritating which if solved early save a lot of trouble. But, I have a very limited experience in product release, and we might extend the beta period. It will be for the community to decide on the quality of the software as and when to extend the beta cycle. Deepank. On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay foss.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/3/26 Deepank Gupta deepankgu...@gmail.com: Incorporated Changes in the proposal after talking with bemasc, BryanWB and Martin Langoff on IRC and mails... The proposal reflects the recent changes. Please take a look and comment on it. The link is : http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Educational_Toolkit For what it is worth, your time-line for testing cycles seem a bit on the optimistic side. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work Sent from Calcutta, WB, India ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] ideal flash activity to be remade as karma activity
Subzero http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Karma, you have competitionhttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Webified_Toolkit . Lucian, you should check out the mailing list threads for talk between Bryan and Felipe; they are talking about much the same ideas you are. Bryan, you should include Lucian in your forwards. This is not intended to endorse either Lucian or Subzero. This is one of our highest-priority projects for GSoC, and it is even conceivable that we could even accept both of your proposals, to be attempted independently. Both of you, feel free to take ideas from each other's proposals, but remember, we're assuming that you are doing that, and we'd like to see you give fair attribution. You're also both welcome to submit a backup proposal on another idea, either from the ideas list or of your own invention; it seems clear that you are both good applicants, and having a backup proposal will help us do you both justice in case you both make the cut. We will not let the presence or absence of backup proposals bias us in which one of you we choose to do the Karma idea. Good luck, may the best proposal win! Jameson 2009/3/24 Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org http://hg.olenepal.org/6_Maths_CoOrdinates_22_swf/ Subzero, I think this might be a great flash activity to redo for Karma. Let me know if you have trouble running it on your regular machine. It is in Nepali but I think you will be able to figure it out. I really like how it demonstrates the concepts of coordinates and lets kids play w/ those concepts. You can also download our latest stable monster E-Paath bundle from here (224 MB) http://dev.olenepal.org/E-Paath-2/STABLE/ -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] ideal flash activity to be remade as karma activity
Keep in mind that we have no idea how many students we'll get from Google. So you are not only competing against those who submit a proposal for the same idea, you are competing against all the other project ideas as well. OTOH, the more applicants we get, the more slots we are likely to get. So in a way you are also cooperating with the other proposals (and with any friends whom you convince to apply) to increase our slot allotment. It's not all about competition. Cheers, Jameson ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Small bug in Browse.xo - downloading non-ascii urls
Working on the 'restore' side of ds-backup, I am hitting a minor bug on Browse.xo. If I download a url where the filename has a non-ascii char, then I never get the 'Download started' dialog. So a url like http://schoolserver/caf%C3%A9 never gets the dialog. More importantly, the files I am fetching are Journal Entry Bundles and they don't get saved to the Journal. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [math4] teacher recruitment letter
Is there any way to boot off of a thumb drive with a linux OS and sugar on it? On either a mac or windows machine? _ From: Luke Faraone [mailto:l...@faraone.cc] Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 6:17 PM To: Mel Chua Cc: Kathy Pusztavari; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [math4] teacher recruitment letter Kathy Pusztavari wrote: I'm replying to an older message. Yes, I agree it would very helpful if sugar were ported to PC (SoaS). In my area (Oregon) there are mostly older PCs running Win 2000 and XP (in classrooms and labs). Essentially these are hand me downs, donations, and freebies. Not that I like PCs (yeah, I use them), but unfortunately that is what there is right now in the classroom. Does anyone have a good link on how to create a SoaS for PC and Mac? If by that you mean running it (portably) *inside* a PC or Mac OS session, no, we do not. Non-portably: (unable to be taken from machine-to-machine) I'm working on a project, soas-emu, to make a step-by-step installer for running soas under emulation in Windows and Mac. If you're talking about running this *in lieu of* OSX/Windows, we have that already :) -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Help
Hi guys, I'm new in the community, I'm Asram Zarat I have read http://socghop.appspot.com/org/show/google/gsoc2009/sugarlabs and I'm trying to do my first modification to my development environment I'm using fedora 10, but I got errors, so I'm thinking in using ubuntu does anyone can give me a hand? thanks in advance ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] putting sugar around a stick (with fedora's help)
Hi, just a heads up about where we are regarding installation of Soas: - on Windows we are very well, it's reported that liveusb-creator works well even for XOs, - on Linux, latest releases of liveusb-creator weren't working at all, but people are working to fix that on Fedora 10 (thanks Kushal!). On other distros, seems like recent Liveusb-creator won't work due to new dependencies included :( - about livecd-iso-to-disk.sh on all linux flavors, it isn't working currently for Soas2 because Rawhide requires that a more recent version of syslinux (3.73) is installed (http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/643). The good news is that we have a workaround (thanks Elena!). - also, livecd-iso-to-disk.sh will fail to install correctly an image that can boot on XOs because of http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/644 . It has been reported upstream. - and also, livecd-iso-to-disk.sh will fail to install correctly an image that can boot on XOs because it seems to require reading a squashfs image in a format that only very recent kernels (2.6.29) can read. No idea what we can do here, but maybe we don't really need to read that image from the computer that makes the installation? Otherwise, how can liveusb-creator do the installation for XOs on windows? Any help appreciated. Thanks, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Still experience issues with SoaS on XO
On my XO I recreated a new stick, and upgraded my BIOS to Q2E36 and still get stuck extracting the initrd. it hang and never gets past that strage, at least there is nothing more on the display. Any ideas where I can look? Thanks Dave -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Help
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 07:39:47AM +0100, asran zara wrote: Hi guys, I'm new in the community, I'm Asram Zarat I have read http://socghop.appspot.com/org/show/google/gsoc2009/sugarlabs and I'm trying to do my first modification to my development environment I'm using fedora 10, but I got errors, so I'm thinking in using ubuntu does anyone can give me a hand? thanks in advance I'm not using fedora/ubuntu but the most comfortable way in that case is attaching soas-1[1] repo to f10(soas-1 is f10 based livecd repo and contains uptodate sugar version) and install sugar-glucose, sugar-fructose packages. [1] http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/repositories/1/ -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] ideal flash activity to be remade as karma activity
Hello, I have this proposal http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Webified_Toolkit I've had a chat with mchua and homunq on #sugar, and here's an interesting idea homunq: if you'd need some limited common foundation, but most of your work would then be separate and compatible, you could both schedule the foundation work in the first couple weeks, then say we will then choose whose version of the foundation to standardize on We would both need Gears and some sort of javascript-dbus bridge. Gears should be just a plugin and javascript-dbus could be done through this http://sandbox.movial.com/wiki/index.php/Browser_DBus_Bridge. Then subzero could focus on the 'framework to build sugar activities with web technologies' part and I could focus on the 'getting web apps like gmail running nicely on sugar'. There's also the choice between webkit/titanium and gecko/xulrunner/hulahop. I think it would be better to use xulrunner, since it's already a Sugar dependency. It shouldn't be significantly slower, but we should do some testing anyway. What do you all think? 2009/3/26 Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com: Just to be clear, this is a perfectly normal part of the GSoC application process. Last year with OLPC I had to choose between like 6 different Typing Turtle applications, several of which were quite good. And in the end, none of them was funded by Google. So, we'll analyze your designs, schedules, resumes, related projects, potential for future contribution to the project, etc. and choose the best one to attempt to have funded. That said, getting a head start on the project and getting involved in the community are great ways to ensure success. Check out http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Print_Support for an example of an applicant who has written test programs, had his ideas evaluated several times on the mailing list, laid out a fairly clear technical design, etc. Keep in mind that we have no idea how many students we'll get from Google. So you are not only competing against those who submit a proposal for the same idea, you are competing against all the other project ideas as well. Best, Wade 2009/3/26 Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com Subzero, you have competition. Lucian, you should check out the mailing list threads for talk between Bryan and Felipe; they are talking about much the same ideas you are. Bryan, you should include Lucian in your forwards. This is not intended to endorse either Lucian or Subzero. This is one of our highest-priority projects for GSoC, and it is even conceivable that we could even accept both of your proposals, to be attempted independently. Both of you, feel free to take ideas from each other's proposals, but remember, we're assuming that you are doing that, and we'd like to see you give fair attribution. You're also both welcome to submit a backup proposal on another idea, either from the ideas list or of your own invention; it seems clear that you are both good applicants, and having a backup proposal will help us do you both justice in case you both make the cut. We will not let the presence or absence of backup proposals bias us in which one of you we choose to do the Karma idea. Good luck, may the best proposal win! Jameson 2009/3/24 Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org http://hg.olenepal.org/6_Maths_CoOrdinates_22_swf/ Subzero, I think this might be a great flash activity to redo for Karma. Let me know if you have trouble running it on your regular machine. It is in Nepali but I think you will be able to figure it out. I really like how it demonstrates the concepts of coordinates and lets kids play w/ those concepts. You can also download our latest stable monster E-Paath bundle from here (224 MB) http://dev.olenepal.org/E-Paath-2/STABLE/ -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity
Why no collaboration-like tube between activities? Are you referring to a tube strictly between two laptops (e.g. one student runs Measure and another runs a charting tool) or also in the case of two activities running concurrently on the same machine? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/GSoC-idea%3A-Chart-graph-making-activity-tp2517796p2539937.html Sent from the Sugar Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity
both -walter On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Garrison Benson benson.garri...@gmail.com wrote: Why no collaboration-like tube between activities? Are you referring to a tube strictly between two laptops (e.g. one student runs Measure and another runs a charting tool) or also in the case of two activities running concurrently on the same machine? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/GSoC-idea%3A-Chart-graph-making-activity-tp2517796p2539937.html Sent from the Sugar Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] ideal flash activity to be remade as karma activity
I've suggested something similar in past years, but Google prefers to avoid students projects working together at all. This includes working together on projects, or having dependencies on the results of other projects. There is a significant failure rate for GSoC projects and it's not fair for one student's success to be dependent on the work of another. If the projects can be made to work 100% independently and yet still complement each other, then we are good. Best, Wade On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, I have this proposal http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Webified_Toolkit I've had a chat with mchua and homunq on #sugar, and here's an interesting idea homunq: if you'd need some limited common foundation, but most of your work would then be separate and compatible, you could both schedule the foundation work in the first couple weeks, then say we will then choose whose version of the foundation to standardize on We would both need Gears and some sort of javascript-dbus bridge. Gears should be just a plugin and javascript-dbus could be done through this http://sandbox.movial.com/wiki/index.php/Browser_DBus_Bridge. Then subzero could focus on the 'framework to build sugar activities with web technologies' part and I could focus on the 'getting web apps like gmail running nicely on sugar'. There's also the choice between webkit/titanium and gecko/xulrunner/hulahop. I think it would be better to use xulrunner, since it's already a Sugar dependency. It shouldn't be significantly slower, but we should do some testing anyway. What do you all think? 2009/3/26 Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com: Just to be clear, this is a perfectly normal part of the GSoC application process. Last year with OLPC I had to choose between like 6 different Typing Turtle applications, several of which were quite good. And in the end, none of them was funded by Google. So, we'll analyze your designs, schedules, resumes, related projects, potential for future contribution to the project, etc. and choose the best one to attempt to have funded. That said, getting a head start on the project and getting involved in the community are great ways to ensure success. Check out http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Print_Support for an example of an applicant who has written test programs, had his ideas evaluated several times on the mailing list, laid out a fairly clear technical design, etc. Keep in mind that we have no idea how many students we'll get from Google. So you are not only competing against those who submit a proposal for the same idea, you are competing against all the other project ideas as well. Best, Wade 2009/3/26 Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com Subzero, you have competition. Lucian, you should check out the mailing list threads for talk between Bryan and Felipe; they are talking about much the same ideas you are. Bryan, you should include Lucian in your forwards. This is not intended to endorse either Lucian or Subzero. This is one of our highest-priority projects for GSoC, and it is even conceivable that we could even accept both of your proposals, to be attempted independently. Both of you, feel free to take ideas from each other's proposals, but remember, we're assuming that you are doing that, and we'd like to see you give fair attribution. You're also both welcome to submit a backup proposal on another idea, either from the ideas list or of your own invention; it seems clear that you are both good applicants, and having a backup proposal will help us do you both justice in case you both make the cut. We will not let the presence or absence of backup proposals bias us in which one of you we choose to do the Karma idea. Good luck, may the best proposal win! Jameson 2009/3/24 Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org http://hg.olenepal.org/6_Maths_CoOrdinates_22_swf/ Subzero, I think this might be a great flash activity to redo for Karma. Let me know if you have trouble running it on your regular machine. It is in Nepali but I think you will be able to figure it out. I really like how it demonstrates the concepts of coordinates and lets kids play w/ those concepts. You can also download our latest stable monster E-Paath bundle from here (224 MB) http://dev.olenepal.org/E-Paath-2/STABLE/ -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
Re: [Sugar-devel] ideal flash activity to be remade as karma activity
Hello, I have this proposal http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Webified_Toolkit I've had a chat with mchua and homunq on #sugar, and here's an interesting idea homunq: if you'd need some limited common foundation, but most of your work would then be separate and compatible, you could both schedule the foundation work in the first couple weeks, then say we will then choose whose version of the foundation to standardize on We would both need Gears and some sort of javascript-dbus bridge. Gears should be just a plugin and javascript-dbus could be done through this http://sandbox.movial.com/wiki/index.php/Browser_DBus_Bridge. Then subzero could focus on the 'framework to build sugar activities with web technologies' part and I could focus on the 'getting web apps like gmail running nicely on sugar'. There's also the choice between webkit/titanium and gecko/xulrunner/hulahop. I think it would be better to use xulrunner, since it's already a Sugar dependency. It shouldn't be significantly slower, but we should do some testing anyway. What do you all think? 2009/3/26 Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com: Just to be clear, this is a perfectly normal part of the GSoC application process. Last year with OLPC I had to choose between like 6 different Typing Turtle applications, several of which were quite good. And in the end, none of them was funded by Google. So, we'll analyze your designs, schedules, resumes, related projects, potential for future contribution to the project, etc. and choose the best one to attempt to have funded. That said, getting a head start on the project and getting involved in the community are great ways to ensure success. Check out http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Print_Support for an example of an applicant who has written test programs, had his ideas evaluated several times on the mailing list, laid out a fairly clear technical design, etc. Keep in mind that we have no idea how many students we'll get from Google. So you are not only competing against those who submit a proposal for the same idea, you are competing against all the other project ideas as well. Best, Wade 2009/3/26 Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com Subzero, you have competition. Lucian, you should check out the mailing list threads for talk between Bryan and Felipe; they are talking about much the same ideas you are. Bryan, you should include Lucian in your forwards. This is not intended to endorse either Lucian or Subzero. This is one of our highest-priority projects for GSoC, and it is even conceivable that we could even accept both of your proposals, to be attempted independently. Both of you, feel free to take ideas from each other's proposals, but remember, we're assuming that you are doing that, and we'd like to see you give fair attribution. You're also both welcome to submit a backup proposal on another idea, either from the ideas list or of your own invention; it seems clear that you are both good applicants, and having a backup proposal will help us do you both justice in case you both make the cut. We will not let the presence or absence of backup proposals bias us in which one of you we choose to do the Karma idea. Good luck, may the best proposal win! Jameson 2009/3/24 Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org http://hg.olenepal.org/6_Maths_CoOrdinates_22_swf/ Subzero, I think this might be a great flash activity to redo for Karma. Let me know if you have trouble running it on your regular machine. It is in Nepali but I think you will be able to figure it out. I really like how it demonstrates the concepts of coordinates and lets kids play w/ those concepts. You can also download our latest stable monster E-Paath bundle from here (224 MB) http://dev.olenepal.org/E-Paath-2/STABLE/ -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Still experience issues with SoaS on XO
I checked two different sticks, both FAT16. (soas on the same stick works on my laptop) On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Dave - are you trying SoaS-1-0323 or SoaS-2-0325 ? I have succeeded in booting both as follows: * check if /boot/olpc.fth present then * try booting with check key pressed, then hit Esc button during countdown, then boot at ok Forth prompt I tried this same result, stuck at Loading ramdisk image from u:\syslinux\initrd0.img This is 200903051021 iso so I'll download the newer one and try that. Thanks for the help. Dave Sean On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Is your stick FAT? We've heard of problems using non-factory formating. -walter 2009/3/26 Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com: On my XO I recreated a new stick, and upgraded my BIOS to Q2E36 and still get stuck extracting the initrd. it hang and never gets past that strage, at least there is nothing more on the display. Any ideas where I can look? Thanks Dave -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] ideal flash activity to be remade as karma activity
I'll quite homunq again homunq: you'd both do the work independently, so that neither of you would miss any schedule if the other one flaked out, but if you both did it you could choose which was best. Would something like this be ok? We would both work together on, let's say, adding Gears and javascript-dbus support to hulahop in the first week(s) and go on our separate ways from there. 2009/3/26 Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com: I've suggested something similar in past years, but Google prefers to avoid students projects working together at all. This includes working together on projects, or having dependencies on the results of other projects. There is a significant failure rate for GSoC projects and it's not fair for one student's success to be dependent on the work of another. If the projects can be made to work 100% independently and yet still complement each other, then we are good. Best, Wade On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have this proposal http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Webified_Toolkit I've had a chat with mchua and homunq on #sugar, and here's an interesting idea homunq: if you'd need some limited common foundation, but most of your work would then be separate and compatible, you could both schedule the foundation work in the first couple weeks, then say we will then choose whose version of the foundation to standardize on We would both need Gears and some sort of javascript-dbus bridge. Gears should be just a plugin and javascript-dbus could be done through this http://sandbox.movial.com/wiki/index.php/Browser_DBus_Bridge. Then subzero could focus on the 'framework to build sugar activities with web technologies' part and I could focus on the 'getting web apps like gmail running nicely on sugar'. There's also the choice between webkit/titanium and gecko/xulrunner/hulahop. I think it would be better to use xulrunner, since it's already a Sugar dependency. It shouldn't be significantly slower, but we should do some testing anyway. What do you all think? 2009/3/26 Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com: Just to be clear, this is a perfectly normal part of the GSoC application process. Last year with OLPC I had to choose between like 6 different Typing Turtle applications, several of which were quite good. And in the end, none of them was funded by Google. So, we'll analyze your designs, schedules, resumes, related projects, potential for future contribution to the project, etc. and choose the best one to attempt to have funded. That said, getting a head start on the project and getting involved in the community are great ways to ensure success. Check out http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Print_Support for an example of an applicant who has written test programs, had his ideas evaluated several times on the mailing list, laid out a fairly clear technical design, etc. Keep in mind that we have no idea how many students we'll get from Google. So you are not only competing against those who submit a proposal for the same idea, you are competing against all the other project ideas as well. Best, Wade 2009/3/26 Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com Subzero, you have competition. Lucian, you should check out the mailing list threads for talk between Bryan and Felipe; they are talking about much the same ideas you are. Bryan, you should include Lucian in your forwards. This is not intended to endorse either Lucian or Subzero. This is one of our highest-priority projects for GSoC, and it is even conceivable that we could even accept both of your proposals, to be attempted independently. Both of you, feel free to take ideas from each other's proposals, but remember, we're assuming that you are doing that, and we'd like to see you give fair attribution. You're also both welcome to submit a backup proposal on another idea, either from the ideas list or of your own invention; it seems clear that you are both good applicants, and having a backup proposal will help us do you both justice in case you both make the cut. We will not let the presence or absence of backup proposals bias us in which one of you we choose to do the Karma idea. Good luck, may the best proposal win! Jameson 2009/3/24 Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org http://hg.olenepal.org/6_Maths_CoOrdinates_22_swf/ Subzero, I think this might be a great flash activity to redo for Karma. Let me know if you have trouble running it on your regular machine. It is in Nepali but I think you will be able to figure it out. I really like how it demonstrates the concepts of coordinates and lets kids play w/ those concepts. You can also download our latest stable monster E-Paath bundle from here (224 MB) http://dev.olenepal.org/E-Paath-2/STABLE/ -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
Re: [Sugar-devel] ideal flash activity to be remade as karma activity
If the projects can be made to work 100% independently and yet still complement each other, then we are good. That was the idea of my suggestion. 20% redundancy, 80% separate; with a step of choose whichever version of the redundant stuff is better on day X. If one side flakes out, the other side is not hurt; the only thing that can happen is you can have to switch to presumably a better version of what you already have after 2 weeks. For this to work, you would not want the redundancy to be more than 10-20% at the start; but I think it is consistent with Google's mandate. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] ideal flash activity to be remade as karma activity
Yes, Wade's assessment is correct. As the number of moving pieces increases linearly, the complexity and overhead increases geometrically. Google wants to keep things as simple as possible to increase the chances success. So, what is success? Success is not necessarily a chuck of perfect code:) Success is: A clearly and well defined problem. Clear objectives and methods of measuring success. Open and transparent communication between the the student, mentor, community and Google about progress towards success. So, work together, work apart, it doesn't matter as long as each project can be define and assessed independently:) david 2009/3/26 Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com: I've suggested something similar in past years, but Google prefers to avoid students projects working together at all. This includes working together on projects, or having dependencies on the results of other projects. There is a significant failure rate for GSoC projects and it's not fair for one student's success to be dependent on the work of another. If the projects can be made to work 100% independently and yet still complement each other, then we are good. Best, Wade On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have this proposal http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Webified_Toolkit I've had a chat with mchua and homunq on #sugar, and here's an interesting idea homunq: if you'd need some limited common foundation, but most of your work would then be separate and compatible, you could both schedule the foundation work in the first couple weeks, then say we will then choose whose version of the foundation to standardize on We would both need Gears and some sort of javascript-dbus bridge. Gears should be just a plugin and javascript-dbus could be done through this http://sandbox.movial.com/wiki/index.php/Browser_DBus_Bridge. Then subzero could focus on the 'framework to build sugar activities with web technologies' part and I could focus on the 'getting web apps like gmail running nicely on sugar'. There's also the choice between webkit/titanium and gecko/xulrunner/hulahop. I think it would be better to use xulrunner, since it's already a Sugar dependency. It shouldn't be significantly slower, but we should do some testing anyway. What do you all think? 2009/3/26 Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com: Just to be clear, this is a perfectly normal part of the GSoC application process. Last year with OLPC I had to choose between like 6 different Typing Turtle applications, several of which were quite good. And in the end, none of them was funded by Google. So, we'll analyze your designs, schedules, resumes, related projects, potential for future contribution to the project, etc. and choose the best one to attempt to have funded. That said, getting a head start on the project and getting involved in the community are great ways to ensure success. Check out http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Print_Support for an example of an applicant who has written test programs, had his ideas evaluated several times on the mailing list, laid out a fairly clear technical design, etc. Keep in mind that we have no idea how many students we'll get from Google. So you are not only competing against those who submit a proposal for the same idea, you are competing against all the other project ideas as well. Best, Wade 2009/3/26 Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com Subzero, you have competition. Lucian, you should check out the mailing list threads for talk between Bryan and Felipe; they are talking about much the same ideas you are. Bryan, you should include Lucian in your forwards. This is not intended to endorse either Lucian or Subzero. This is one of our highest-priority projects for GSoC, and it is even conceivable that we could even accept both of your proposals, to be attempted independently. Both of you, feel free to take ideas from each other's proposals, but remember, we're assuming that you are doing that, and we'd like to see you give fair attribution. You're also both welcome to submit a backup proposal on another idea, either from the ideas list or of your own invention; it seems clear that you are both good applicants, and having a backup proposal will help us do you both justice in case you both make the cut. We will not let the presence or absence of backup proposals bias us in which one of you we choose to do the Karma idea. Good luck, may the best proposal win! Jameson 2009/3/24 Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org http://hg.olenepal.org/6_Maths_CoOrdinates_22_swf/ Subzero, I think this might be a great flash activity to redo for Karma. Let me know if you have trouble running it on your regular machine. It is in Nepali but I think you will be able to figure it out. I really like how it demonstrates the concepts of coordinates and lets
Re: [Sugar-devel] Still experience issues with SoaS on XO
Check track bug 643. 2009/3/26 Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com I checked two different sticks, both FAT16. (soas on the same stick works on my laptop) On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Dave - are you trying SoaS-1-0323 or SoaS-2-0325 ? I have succeeded in booting both as follows: * check if /boot/olpc.fth present then * try booting with check key pressed, then hit Esc button during countdown, then boot at ok Forth prompt I tried this same result, stuck at Loading ramdisk image from u:\syslinux\initrd0.img This is 200903051021 iso so I'll download the newer one and try that. Thanks for the help. Dave Sean On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Is your stick FAT? We've heard of problems using non-factory formating. -walter 2009/3/26 Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com: On my XO I recreated a new stick, and upgraded my BIOS to Q2E36 and still get stuck extracting the initrd. it hang and never gets past that strage, at least there is nothing more on the display. Any ideas where I can look? Thanks Dave -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. -- Upton Sinclair ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Still experience issues with SoaS on XO
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote: Check track bug 643. Would that affect liveusb-create 3.6.3 running on Windows? I'll try editing the syslinux.cfg and see what happens! Thanks Dave ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Still experience issues with SoaS on XO
I On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.comwrote: Check track bug 643. Would that affect liveusb-create 3.6.3 running on Windows? I'll try editing the syslinux.cfg and see what happens! I changed vesamenu.32 to vmlinux0 in syslinux/syslinux.cfg and now I see the fedora boot sequence and I am logging into Sugar! Not sure what's going on so that the display is in the wrong mode. Dave Thanks Dave -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] ars technica
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/sugar-labs-announces-new-version-of-sugar-learning-platform.ars Nice to see a positive article from Ars (if it is straight from the press release), since they panned just about everything OLPC did. BTW, the release mentions a mind map activity. Have either of the two development branches actually been released yet? -Wade ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ars technica
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/sugar-labs-announces-new-version-of-sugar-learning-platform.ars Nice to see a positive article from Ars (if it is straight from the press release), since they panned just about everything OLPC did. Also interesting is how the term Sugar and Sugar Labs are climbing in the search engins. wiki.sugarlabs.org is now the 6th listing for the search term 'sugar' in google. Along with the positive press, we are now much more findable. david BTW, the release mentions a mind map activity. Have either of the two development branches actually been released yet? -Wade ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] putting sugar around a stick (with fedora's help)
Tomeu Vizoso skrev: - and also, livecd-iso-to-disk.sh will fail to install correctly an image that can boot on XOs because it seems to require reading a squashfs image in a format that only very recent kernels (2.6.29) can read. No idea what we can do here, but maybe we don't really need to read that image from the computer that makes the installation? Otherwise, how can liveusb-creator do the installation for XOs on windows? It loopmounts the squashfs to extract the ext3.img from it, so the root filesystem is stored uncompressed on the USB/SD (I think). That's optional in iso-to-disk, but it's done by default when you specify --xo. I submitted a patch that makes it store the squashfs as-is if the loop-mount fails, but you can add --compress after --xo to force that. I guess the advantages of uncompressing the squashfs is lower CPU usage and more flexibility regarding which kernels you can boot with it. With today's large flash chips maybe it should be default for non-XO too? I don't know how to solve this other than to simply not put the ext3 image in a squashfs in the first place. Add an image-creator ext3 image, gzip and distribute that along with the ISO? /abo ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ars technica
On 26 Mar 2009, at 19:42, Wade Brainerd wrote: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/sugar-labs-announces-new-version-of-sugar-learning-platform.ars Nice to see a positive article from Ars (if it is straight from the press release), since they panned just about everything OLPC did. BTW, the release mentions a mind map activity. Have either of the two development branches actually been released yet? I just read a pdf of the press release 3hrs ago and got the shock of my life :-) I'm working on getting a release of Labyrinth based code together. Perhaps a day or two, or over the weekend – the original UI is really not clean/simple enough for us (though it works fine as is if you know all the tricks). --Gary -Wade ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ars technica
I'm very pleased as well, one of our goals was to make Sugar Labs easy to find and we are excellently referenced in Google, Google News, and Google Blogs now - I check several times a day every day. Another goal was to turn the tide of negative press and an article like this is of course helpful in that regard. Although I have mailed to nearly all of our targeted English and French language journalists, I am still sending to targeted educators. I am working on an article for OLPCNews to reach out to G1G1 owners to try Sugar and help us with bug reports. Please, if there is anyone who can help translating our press release into Portugese, Italian, or any other language besides the four we had at launch, I would be very grateful. thanks Sean Marketing Coordinator On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:58 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/sugar-labs-announces-new-version-of-sugar-learning-platform.ars Nice to see a positive article from Ars (if it is straight from the press release), since they panned just about everything OLPC did. Also interesting is how the term Sugar and Sugar Labs are climbing in the search engins. wiki.sugarlabs.org is now the 6th listing for the search term 'sugar' in google. Along with the positive press, we are now much more findable. david BTW, the release mentions a mind map activity. Have either of the two development branches actually been released yet? -Wade ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Still experience issues with SoaS on XO
Hmm. I had no problems booting the latest Soas-2 iso on an OLPC-XO from USB from the OK prompt in OFW. -walter On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com wrote: I On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote: Check track bug 643. Would that affect liveusb-create 3.6.3 running on Windows? I'll try editing the syslinux.cfg and see what happens! I changed vesamenu.32 to vmlinux0 in syslinux/syslinux.cfg and now I see the fedora boot sequence and I am logging into Sugar! Not sure what's going on so that the display is in the wrong mode. Spoke too soon. I restarted and the I get the previous behavior and am stuck at the initrd. I checked and sysconfig.cfg still says vmlinuz0. I changed quiet to verbose on the boot line and now I see it is booting. Dave Thanks Dave -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Digg SugarLabs .84 (+distroWatch)
Hello everyone, Following up on the Ars thread, just thought of some other ways we can get some good publicity. I put a link up at http://digg.com/linux_unix/Sugar_version_0_84_released If we all digg this story, it should drive a lot of traffic to the site and get people more aware of the project (if it makes the front page of course). Also has anyone thought about putting some release info up on DistroWatch? As well as new sceenshots at http://www.thecodingstudio.com ? We have stuff up there but it's really old. Cheers, Josh ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Python and XKB [WAS: Re: XO-1 keyboard issues, partial setxkbmap workaround]
Hello,
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Martin Dengler
mar...@martindengler.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 03:23:39AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote:
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Martin Dengler
mar...@martindengler.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 04:26:17AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote:
[olpc set /etc/sysconfig/keyboard from OFW's data and had no UI for
keyboard configuration]
We could just get rid of the keyboard configure GUI and have people
edit the file still (and automatically maintain it as you suggest).
The range of choices available in the config file is huge, and I'm not
sure what it really adds to give people a very limited UI.
But that will work only on the XO :-).
Define work :). Editing a file works everywhere. Editing a file
that's maintained by the distribution (SoaS) works everywhere in that
distro.
Oops - sorry, I missed out the people editing the file part :-). (I
should really go to sleep early on some days)
I have just pushed an initial edition of pyxkb to Git:
http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/python-xkb
It works for me (though it may crash if you don't use it under ideal
circumstances).
Some examples:
#Get a list of all the layouts
pyxkb.get_layouts()
#Get a list of all variant for the 'us' layout:
pyxkb.get_variants_for_layout('us')
#Get the enabled layouts:
pyxkb.get_current_layouts()
#Enable 'us(olpc2)' and 'af(olpc-ps)' layout:
pyxkb.set_layouts(['us', 'es'])
pyxkb.set_variants(['olpc2', 'olpc-ps'])
I think the above should be sufficient to implement a basic keyboard
configuration control panel extension for Sugar.
Thanks,
Sayamindu
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Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS won't boot XO-1s?
I have been doing FAT16 exclusively until today, but (if i'm not confused) the latest SoaS-2 which image failed to boot my XOs when formatted FAT16 succeeded when formatted FAT32. By the way when using the fedora liveusb-creator v3.6.3 (previous revs fail) on WinXP i found that formatting the stick immediately prior to burning it seemed to work better... On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: If there any belief that either FAT or FAT32 formatting is better then the other? Is that something I should be trying when I have problems? Thanks, Caroline On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: Great. So do you think the problem was the SoaS image or FAT vs FAT32? I do recall that OFW used to be finicky about USB keys that no longer had their factory formatting. -walter On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Success booting an XO-1 with March 23rd SoaS-1! I allotted 130 Mb persistent storage on 2 Gb stick formatted FAT (not FAT32) on WinXP then .iso loaded with fedora LiveUSB Creator v3.6.3 utility. (Note: utility insulted me for trying to overwrite the bootable stick which wouldn't boot so reformat necessary) XO-1 Firmware rev: Q2E35 USB key on boot no keypress=hangs at Xo symbol, no loading dot sequence USB key on boot Check button pressed=shows Esc countdown press Esc in time then at ok Forth prompt, boot finds the stick starts Sugar 0.84.1 verified on both XO-1s I have available... On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: OK, no boot from today's SoaS-2 in the slot However, when rebooting, Esc countdown did not appear unless Check key pressed at OK forth prompt I typed: ok boot u:\boot\olpc.fth the script started then failed with this text: * mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mapper/live-rw, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so Bug in initramfs /init detected. Dropping to a shell. Good luck! bash: no job control in this shell bash-4.0# * Will try with last SoaS-1 image on my other XO thanks Sean On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: hmmm... yes, I downloaded and installed v3.2 on March 4th... four days before the new version came out! the utility itself keeps as a big fat secret what version it is... I'll be happy if that fixes the problem... but upset if the 8 or 10 hours I have put in trying to boot useless sticks was because of that... our wiki page really needs precise information... which by the way I am willing to write, if I manage to boot my XO with a SoaS image been trying for days on end :-( don't get me wrong I appreciate the utility's existence since I only have Macs in the house and I don't know how to burn a USB .iso from my two GNU/Linux netbooks or old PC with a liveCD OK, will try again many thanks Sean On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: I believe only the most recent LiveUSB Creator programs will put an 'olpc.fth' on there for you. Maybe the sticks were created with an older version? On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: OK thanks Wade If you can tell me just which image you have, I can try with that one. Same behavior with the SD card in or out, and on the other XO with no SD card at all. Neither the SoaS-1 (March 5th), nor the SoaS-2 (March 21st) have a 'boot' directory, nor a '.fth' Forth script at all. If I stick one on, will it boot? I suspected this was the problem as I explored the sticks from the ok prompt this is why we need some kind of integrity checker for a burned stick, to check if anything is missing, or if the user has monkeyed with files (Scout's honor I did not :-), or (say) the timestamp of an x.org config file, etc. thanks Sean On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Sean, FWIW I have successfully booted my XO-1 from SoaS-1 using an older image, I haven't tried the latest. I used LiveUSB Creator for Windows with a PATRIOT 2GB stick. What you might be seeing is that you have a SD card with a bootable partition on your XO. I think that might take priority over booting from USB. You can boot manually from OFW.. something like ok boot u:\boot\olpc.fth should locate 'boot\olpc.fth' on the USB key and start it manually. -Wade On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry, but I'm a bit confused here, is it possible or not at this time to boot an XO-1 from a SoaS image (as we claim on the wiki:
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Digg SugarLabs .84 (+distroWatch)
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Josh Williams j...@tucson-labs.com wrote: Hello everyone, Following up on the Ars thread, just thought of some other ways we can get some good publicity. I put a link up at http://digg.com/linux_unix/Sugar_version_0_84_released If we all digg this story, it should drive a lot of traffic to the site and get people more aware of the project (if it makes the front page of course). Also has anyone thought about putting some release info up on DistroWatch? I have contacted distrowatch. They are interested in tracking which versions of Sugar a given distro ships. Now, it is a matter of legwork to make it happen. david As well as new sceenshots at http://www.thecodingstudio.com ? We have stuff up there but it's really old. Cheers, Josh ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] Do not open a new window for menu link on sugarlabs.org
Sean, Wouldn't it be ok to merge Bugs / Git / API / Buildbot into Develop, and expand them when you get to the Develop page? Also, the language on the wiki home page makes it sound like communication is done via the wiki. The Sugar Labs wiki is where the community comes together to develop and support the Sugar Learning Platform. This isn't really the case. IRC and mailing lists are far more useful places to come together. The wiki reflects community-generated documentation, it seems to me.I have never (with one exception) had any response to something I placed on the talk page on sugarlabs or olpc wiki, and it would be frustrating for an unwary user to think there . Also, are the forums used? It would seem that if we really do our work via the lists, we should make the list archives prominent on the site and forget forums. On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: thanks Christian a related issue is our logo size and positioning which I would like to see left-justified (your suggestion of that for the press release was excellent) and... the Git size (bigger) rather than smaller, but i know you feel differently about that :-) On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt schm...@pentagram.com wrote: Hi Sean Thanks for initiating this. I generally agree with the goals to unify the site through a single navbar, but am also concerned about visual complexity. The more we can consolidate navigation items, the better. I'll start exploring visual treatments with the goal to find something that would work across all sites. That said, it may still be sensible to keep the intro separate from the other sites, to direct people in a more focused way towards only a few sections that we determine (as is currently the case). Christian On 3/26/09 5:41 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Here are some ideas for a harmonized navbar across our domains, for discussion and input please. By way of an anology, I would like that a visitor navigating between our welcoming reception area, our meeting room, our factory floor, our mailroom etc. always know where s/he is and how to get to another section and in particular the homepage: www.sugarlabs.org. I know that Christian wants to keep the navbar short in the intro section so it is unobtrusive... that Josh wants a friendly home for Activities not unlike Mozilla's addons... that our wiki mavens want their usual workspace without fuss and bother, that teachers need a super easy to use section, and so on. That said, I think we all want teachers, parents, funders, journalists, bug reporters, developers, and... , kids :-) to be able to visit and explore the richness of our site without getting lost. Because for them, there is the Sugar Labs site and not 9 separate sites. It is a measure of the labyrinthine nature of our site/sites that I discovered some sections today I hadn't suspected even existed, and these sections had no link to the main page or to each other. Linking our sections will raise the visibility of our site and its richness will show any visitor (as if there were a doubt) that our community is vibrant. So, here goes... let's start with the union of all the linked sections I can find for sugarlabs.org: Home Wiki Blog (or Planet) Lists Bugs Git Schools Activities Download People Donate API Buildbot Trees Indices Index Lounge (or Forums or Discussions) FAQ Press (or Contact) Register Help About Sitemap Login Search plus a missing one: Support/Feedback 26 candidates for a navbar! ...More complicated than I suspected. Some of these, in particular Search, are never identified as local to the section, sure to be confusing to the nontechnical visitor who just want to search the Sugar Labs site. Not everyone knows the Google site:sugarlabs.org syntax :-) Others are on the same subject, but point to different places; for example, the Activities section of the intro is not yet well integrated with activities.sugarlabs.org and even points offsite, to the corresponding OLPC pages. I think we can agree that 25, or 20, or even 15 choices are too many. The traditional solution to this problem is two tiers: mouseover on the navbar reveals subchoices. The idea being to standardize a navbar like this at the top of every section, giving random access to any other section. For example, how about 9 main sections: *** Home Download Activities Schools Contributors Wiki / Bugs / Git / API / Buildbot / Translate / People / Planet Resources Documentation / FAQ / Mailing Lists / Community News / Index / Sitemap Search Wiki search / Bugs search / Schools search Contact Press / Forums / IRC / Support / Feedback Donate *** What do you think?
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] Do not open a new window for menu link on sugarlabs.org
Carol, Would you mind working with Fred on the wiki? You have made a lot of good suggestions. The tension I am seeing is that Sugar Labs Veterans, who feel comfortable editing the wiki, are immune to the mess. People coming to the wiki for the first time say 'what a mess', but don't feel comfortable changing things. thanks david On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote: Sean, Wouldn't it be ok to merge Bugs / Git / API / Buildbot into Develop, and expand them when you get to the Develop page? Also, the language on the wiki home page makes it sound like communication is done via the wiki. The Sugar Labs wiki is where the community comes together to develop and support the Sugar Learning Platform. This isn't really the case. IRC and mailing lists are far more useful places to come together. The wiki reflects community-generated documentation, it seems to me. I have never (with one exception) had any response to something I placed on the talk page on sugarlabs or olpc wiki, and it would be frustrating for an unwary user to think there . Also, are the forums used? It would seem that if we really do our work via the lists, we should make the list archives prominent on the site and forget forums. On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: thanks Christian a related issue is our logo size and positioning which I would like to see left-justified (your suggestion of that for the press release was excellent) and... the Git size (bigger) rather than smaller, but i know you feel differently about that :-) On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt schm...@pentagram.com wrote: Hi Sean Thanks for initiating this. I generally agree with the goals to unify the site through a single navbar, but am also concerned about visual complexity. The more we can consolidate navigation items, the better. I'll start exploring visual treatments with the goal to find something that would work across all sites. That said, it may still be sensible to keep the intro separate from the other sites, to direct people in a more focused way towards only a few sections that we determine (as is currently the case). Christian On 3/26/09 5:41 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Here are some ideas for a harmonized navbar across our domains, for discussion and input please. By way of an anology, I would like that a visitor navigating between our welcoming reception area, our meeting room, our factory floor, our mailroom etc. always know where s/he is and how to get to another section and in particular the homepage: www.sugarlabs.org. I know that Christian wants to keep the navbar short in the intro section so it is unobtrusive... that Josh wants a friendly home for Activities not unlike Mozilla's addons... that our wiki mavens want their usual workspace without fuss and bother, that teachers need a super easy to use section, and so on. That said, I think we all want teachers, parents, funders, journalists, bug reporters, developers, and... , kids :-) to be able to visit and explore the richness of our site without getting lost. Because for them, there is the Sugar Labs site and not 9 separate sites. It is a measure of the labyrinthine nature of our site/sites that I discovered some sections today I hadn't suspected even existed, and these sections had no link to the main page or to each other. Linking our sections will raise the visibility of our site and its richness will show any visitor (as if there were a doubt) that our community is vibrant. So, here goes... let's start with the union of all the linked sections I can find for sugarlabs.org: Home Wiki Blog (or Planet) Lists Bugs Git Schools Activities Download People Donate API Buildbot Trees Indices Index Lounge (or Forums or Discussions) FAQ Press (or Contact) Register Help About Sitemap Login Search plus a missing one: Support/Feedback 26 candidates for a navbar! ...More complicated than I suspected. Some of these, in particular Search, are never identified as local to the section, sure to be confusing to the nontechnical visitor who just want to search the Sugar Labs site. Not everyone knows the Google site:sugarlabs.org syntax :-) Others are on the same subject, but point to different places; for example, the Activities section of the intro is not yet well integrated with activities.sugarlabs.org and even points offsite, to the corresponding OLPC pages. I think we can agree that 25, or 20, or even 15 choices are too many. The traditional solution to this problem is two tiers: mouseover on the navbar reveals subchoices. The idea being to standardize a navbar like this at the top of every section, giving random access to any other section. For example, how about 9 main sections:
Re: [Sugar-devel] 7 Meilen Stiefel or New Soas-2 image available
I confirm, I was able to boot that SoaS-2 image on an XO-1 and an Acer Aspire One and despite having set 130 Mb of the 1 Gb stick for persistent storage, the Journal told me on startup that it was full even though i only had 2 items in it. By the way does anyone know how to specify a French azerty keyboard mapping with SoaS? thanks Sean 2009/3/27 Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com: Hi Simon, Here are tonight's test results. SoaS2 3-25 Connects to the internet but does not show anyone in my neighborhood view. Immediately tells me my journal is full and I know I set up persistent storage when I created the stick. It does remember my colors and name when I reboot. It also shows my browse session in the journal after reboot. Do you want Tickets? Thanks! Caroline On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Hi, the soas team is wearing their 7 Meilen Stiefel those days! News: - abiword (the 'olpc' version with abicollab enabled) - Sharing in Write does work now! - latest NetworkManager (fixes rh #491620) - new version of the Imageviewer activity: - Fix initial zoom level being extremely small: d.sl.o #486 (Tomeu) - New German translation - latest 0.84 Sugar snapshot: - CP: Disallow the user from selecting any fallbacks if English (USA) is selected (#slo:561) - Call *mount_finish when the callback is called #326 - Add full licence to data dir #357 - The logout option is available by default - Resume from home is duplicating activity instances again #600 - first shot on usb device mounting capabilities (#626, #627 have been filed about encountered issues) Where: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/Soas2-200903251017.iso Known issue: I was not able flashing the image on F10, could not boot into it. F11 did work fine though. Tomeu suspected a newer version of syslinux on F11 - I will report back. Does that sound good? Fetch the image and test the hell out of it - and remember like God likes all it's children - the Soas team likes all it's bugs - so please do file them at dev.sugarlabs.org Get it when it is still sticky! Your Soas Team ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] Do not open a new window for menu link on sugarlabs.org
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote: Also, are the forums used? It would seem that if we really do our work via the lists, we should make the list archives prominent on the site and forget forums. Wha? We have forums? As far as I know, the only remotely forum-esque thing we have is Nabble http://n2.nabble.com/SugarLabs-f1511649.html forum-like setup which is synced with the ML. -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] Do not open a new window for menu link on sugarlabs.org
I'm afraid I gave the impression to you that I think the wiki is a mess. I don't. It is really much better than w.l.o., and verging on very useful! But I do think we need to avoid the syndrome of if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. The sentence I described screamed a special message in my ear, probably unjustified, based on over a year of the w.l.o being pointed to as the place for all sorts of things that were imho ill suited for a wiki. I would just like to see the sentence modified to say something like The Sugar Labs wiki is where the community comes together to record informal documentation and decisions about developing and supporting the Sugar Learning Platform. That way noone would be disappointed if what they wrote in the Talk page was not responded to in a very timely manner. On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:27 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: Carol, Would you mind working with Fred on the wiki? You have made a lot of good suggestions. The tension I am seeing is that Sugar Labs Veterans, who feel comfortable editing the wiki, are immune to the mess. People coming to the wiki for the first time say 'what a mess', but don't feel comfortable changing things. thanks david On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote: Sean, Wouldn't it be ok to merge Bugs / Git / API / Buildbot into Develop, and expand them when you get to the Develop page? Also, the language on the wiki home page makes it sound like communication is done via the wiki. The Sugar Labs wiki is where the community comes together to develop and support the Sugar Learning Platform. This isn't really the case. IRC and mailing lists are far more useful places to come together. The wiki reflects community-generated documentation, it seems to me.I have never (with one exception) had any response to something I placed on the talk page on sugarlabs or olpc wiki, and it would be frustrating for an unwary user to think there . Also, are the forums used? It would seem that if we really do our work via the lists, we should make the list archives prominent on the site and forget forums. On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: thanks Christian a related issue is our logo size and positioning which I would like to see left-justified (your suggestion of that for the press release was excellent) and... the Git size (bigger) rather than smaller, but i know you feel differently about that :-) On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt schm...@pentagram.com wrote: Hi Sean Thanks for initiating this. I generally agree with the goals to unify the site through a single navbar, but am also concerned about visual complexity. The more we can consolidate navigation items, the better. I'll start exploring visual treatments with the goal to find something that would work across all sites. That said, it may still be sensible to keep the intro separate from the other sites, to direct people in a more focused way towards only a few sections that we determine (as is currently the case). Christian On 3/26/09 5:41 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Here are some ideas for a harmonized navbar across our domains, for discussion and input please. By way of an anology, I would like that a visitor navigating between our welcoming reception area, our meeting room, our factory floor, our mailroom etc. always know where s/he is and how to get to another section and in particular the homepage: www.sugarlabs.org. I know that Christian wants to keep the navbar short in the intro section so it is unobtrusive... that Josh wants a friendly home for Activities not unlike Mozilla's addons... that our wiki mavens want their usual workspace without fuss and bother, that teachers need a super easy to use section, and so on. That said, I think we all want teachers, parents, funders, journalists, bug reporters, developers, and... , kids :-) to be able to visit and explore the richness of our site without getting lost. Because for them, there is the Sugar Labs site and not 9 separate sites. It is a measure of the labyrinthine nature of our site/sites that I discovered some sections today I hadn't suspected even existed, and these sections had no link to the main page or to each other. Linking our sections will raise the visibility of our site and its richness will show any visitor (as if there were a doubt) that our community is vibrant. So, here goes... let's start with the union of all the linked sections I can find for sugarlabs.org: Home Wiki Blog (or Planet) Lists Bugs Git Schools Activities Download People Donate API Buildbot Trees Indices Index Lounge (or Forums or
[Sugar-devel] jhbluild Error in Sugar
I have this error ... An answer
GCONF_CONFIG_SOURCE=xml:merged:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults
/usr/bin/gconftool-2 --makefile-install-rule sugar.schemas 21 /dev/null
No existe el archivo «/usr/local/lib/GConf-dbus/2/libgconfbackend-xml.so»
Falló al cargar la fuente «xml:merged:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults»: Falló:
No pude encontrar el módulo del backend para
«xml:merged:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults»
**
** GConf:ERROR:(gconftool.c:918):main: assertion failed: (err == NULL)
/bin/bash: line 1: 29069 Cancelado
GCONF_CONFIG_SOURCE=xml:merged:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults
/usr/bin/gconftool-2 --makefile-install-rule sugar.schemas 21 /dev/null
make[3]: *** [install-data-local] Error 134
make[3]: se sale del directorio
`/home/unimauro/GSoC/Sugar/sugar-jhbuild/source/sugar/data'
make[2]: *** [install-am] Error 2
make[2]: se sale del directorio
`/home/unimauro/GSoC/Sugar/sugar-jhbuild/source/sugar/data'
make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: se sale del directorio
`/home/unimauro/GSoC/Sugar/sugar-jhbuild/source/sugar/data'
make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
*** error during stage install of sugar: ## Error running make
install *** [19/41]
2009/3/26 Carlos mauro unima...@gmail.com
Me sale estos errores parece que crea un problema en cadena. Aquí lo coloco.
Saludos
PD: Alguna sugerencia
*** Configuring GConf-dbus *** [5/41]
./configure --prefix /home/unimauro/GSoC /Sugar/sugar-jhbuild/install
--libdir '${exec_prefix}/lib'
configure: WARNING: you should use --build, --host, --target
configure: WARNING: invalid host type: /Sugar/sugar-jhbuild/install
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
/bin/bash: /home/unimauro/GSoC: No such file or directory
configure: WARNING: `missing' script is too old or missing
checking for gawk... gawk
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no
checking build system type... Invalid configuration
`/Sugar/sugar-jhbuild/install': machine `/Sugar/sugar' not recognized
configure: error: /bin/bash ./config.sub /Sugar/sugar-jhbuild/install
failed
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Re: [Sugar-devel] 7 Meilen Stiefel or New Soas-2 image available
On 26 Mar 2009, at 23:27, Caroline Meeks wrote: Hi Simon, Here are tonight's test results. SoaS2 3-25 Connects to the internet but does not show anyone in my neighborhood view. FWIW, jabber.sugarlabs.org has been stuffed again since end of last week, so no collaboration :-( http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/505#comment:11 I wish there was a visible Sugar UI clearly indicating server connection, or not; perhaps even if it's just hidden in the control panel next to the server name. Might be worth a new ticket for 0.86? For now the quick hack test I use is to drop to terminal and try: telnet jabber.sugarlabs.org 5222 Trying 195.10.223.84... telnet: connect to address 195.10.223.84: Connection refused telnet: Unable to connect to remote host You should get be able to type some misc input and get a xml error response: telnet jabber.olpchacks.org 5222 Trying 67.202.43.255... Connected to jabber.olpchacks.org. Escape character is '^]'. qwerty ?xml version='1.0'?stream:stream xmlns='jabber:client' xmlns:stream='http://etherx.jabber.org/streams' id='none' from='jabber.olpchacks.org' version='1.0'stream:errorxml-not-well- formed xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-streams'//stream:error/ stream:streamConnection closed by foreign host. Regards, --Gary Immediately tells me my journal is full and I know I set up persistent storage when I created the stick. It does remember my colors and name when I reboot. It also shows my browse session in the journal after reboot. Do you want Tickets? Thanks! Caroline On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Hi, the soas team is wearing their 7 Meilen Stiefel those days! News: - abiword (the 'olpc' version with abicollab enabled) - Sharing in Write does work now! - latest NetworkManager (fixes rh #491620) - new version of the Imageviewer activity: - Fix initial zoom level being extremely small: d.sl.o #486 (Tomeu) - New German translation - latest 0.84 Sugar snapshot: - CP: Disallow the user from selecting any fallbacks if English (USA) is selected (#slo:561) - Call *mount_finish when the callback is called #326 - Add full licence to data dir #357 - The logout option is available by default - Resume from home is duplicating activity instances again #600 - first shot on usb device mounting capabilities (#626, #627 have been filed about encountered issues) Where: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/Soas2-200903251017.iso Known issue: I was not able flashing the image on F10, could not boot into it. F11 did work fine though. Tomeu suspected a newer version of syslinux on F11 - I will report back. Does that sound good? Fetch the image and test the hell out of it - and remember like God likes all it's children - the Soas team likes all it's bugs - so please do file them at dev.sugarlabs.org Get it when it is still sticky! Your Soas Team ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
