Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[Peter Robinson]

Hi David,

Sorry, this seem to have fallen through the cracks.

> Iain referred me to a Fedora community where LinuxliveUSB installer was 
> recommended and it works just fine. It also installs a Linux emulator for 
> Windows Virtualbox and I found I could run SOAS beautifully in that way. That 
> is very convenient for my purposes (a quick lead in to Sugar). I also found 
> few problems booting USB sticks and SD cards installed using LinuxLiveUSB, on 
> one machine it seems to hang but others it is fine. So it seems the installer 
> was my issue.

I've never seen or heard of the above, I've also never used
VirtualBox, glad it works for you.

> Regarding collaboration, if we have a few PC computers on the same WLAN 
> running SOAS, can we expect them to see each other and collaborate in 
> neighbourhood view, without a server (ie. in the same fashion as XOs on an 
> ad-hoc network)? I seem to recall doing that with early versions of SOAS. If 
> not, is there a simple/light way to enable collaboration/presence service on 
> a local server sufficient to allow a few local SOAS machines to collaborate?. 
> I am familiar with XS developments (up to 0.7) but in the schools in Vanuatu 
> we'll be using gateway servers we have developed ourselves based on Debian 
> (Jessie 8).

I believe there's an issue with recent versions on collaboration, I
don't remember the exact issues, maybe one of the sugar devs can
answer the reasons and when it's expected it can be fixed.

Peter

> Best,
>
> David Leeming
> Solomon Islands
>
> -Original Message-
> From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org 
> [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Peter Robinson
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2015 10:58 a.m.
> To: Development of live Sugar distributions
> Cc: Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown Douglas
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
>
> Hi David,
>
> I'm the SoaS maintainer.
>
>> I want to demonstrate SOAS to teachers in Vanuatu. I would like to be more 
>> useful, but actually don't have the luxury of time to research these arcane 
>> technical issues in which I am not an expert. I just want to know, is there 
>> a version of SOAS that is properly tested and known to work? I have used 
>> SOAS many times before (years ago) without any problems. Which version is 
>> stable and will boot without errors and not hang on use?
>
> The lastest stable version is available here:
> https://spins.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
>
>> Could be hardware? I will try with another flashdrive. Is 2GB of persistent 
>> storage too little/too much?
>
> 2Gb should be fine.
>
> Ask here on the SoaS list if you've got any other queries or issues.
>
> Peter
>
>> David Leeming
>> Solomon Islands
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org 
>> [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Iain Brown 
>> Douglas
>> Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 7:52 p.m.
>> To: David Leeming
>> Cc: 'Sugar-dev Devel'
>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> From what you say, you already did a search for your error message.
>>
>> Does this Fedora forum answer cover your issue?
>> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=301945
>>
>> I have been working with the script livecd-iso-to-disk and it works
>> fine.
>>
>> I am working on SoaS Loader, here is a link to the work in progress.
>>
>> http://soas-loader.readthedocs.org/
>>
>> Good luck, and thanks for putting time in trying to demonstrate SoaS :)
>>
>> Iain
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 10:51 +1100, David Leeming wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have familiarity with Sugar since working with OLPC from 2008, but I
>>> haven’t been active in these communities for some time. I’m just
>>> refreshing myself on current status of Sugar with a view to
>>> introducing teachers to it in a forthcoming workshop in Vanuatu. We’ll
>>> be using tablets as well as PCs so I have familiarised myself with
>>> Sugarizer. I then intended to introduce the wider world of Sugar
>>> conveniently with SOAS.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So I have downloaded both the 32-bit and 64-bit iso files and verified
>>> their hashes. I also download the latest version of USB Live
>>> Installer. I formatted a fairly new 16GB USB with FAT32 and installed
>>> SOAS on it leaving 2000Mb of persistent memory. The USB stick is a
>>> “SanDisk Cruzer Facet 16GB”.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Immediately I run into problems. When booting (on a fairly recent
>>> Toshiba i7 laptop) it stops with “vesamenu.c32 not a com32r image”. On
>>> pressing Tab key I do not see “Live” as an option, but it does start
>>> with the option linux0. Sugar boots and I can use it for a few
>>> minutes, I tried Speak and Turtle Art for instance, but within a short
>>> time it hangs and needs a hard boot.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I repeated the whole process with the 32-bit (verified) iso file and
>>> same problem. I’ll give this problem only a few hours as that is all I
>>> have. But I would like to know what are the 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[Sam P.]

Yeah, collaboration is broken in newer (20+? IDK) fedora versions.  That is
because of telepathy api changes.  We will attempt to fix this in the
coming release (0.108/1.0?).  That seems to the the consensus about the
coming release.

Thanks,
Sam

On Tue, 8 Sep 2015 7:04 pm Peter Robinson  wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Sorry, this seem to have fallen through the cracks.
>
> > Iain referred me to a Fedora community where LinuxliveUSB installer was
> recommended and it works just fine. It also installs a Linux emulator for
> Windows Virtualbox and I found I could run SOAS beautifully in that way.
> That is very convenient for my purposes (a quick lead in to Sugar). I also
> found few problems booting USB sticks and SD cards installed using
> LinuxLiveUSB, on one machine it seems to hang but others it is fine. So it
> seems the installer was my issue.
>
> I've never seen or heard of the above, I've also never used
> VirtualBox, glad it works for you.
>
> > Regarding collaboration, if we have a few PC computers on the same WLAN
> running SOAS, can we expect them to see each other and collaborate in
> neighbourhood view, without a server (ie. in the same fashion as XOs on an
> ad-hoc network)? I seem to recall doing that with early versions of SOAS.
> If not, is there a simple/light way to enable collaboration/presence
> service on a local server sufficient to allow a few local SOAS machines to
> collaborate?. I am familiar with XS developments (up to 0.7) but in the
> schools in Vanuatu we'll be using gateway servers we have developed
> ourselves based on Debian (Jessie 8).
>
> I believe there's an issue with recent versions on collaboration, I
> don't remember the exact issues, maybe one of the sugar devs can
> answer the reasons and when it's expected it can be fixed.
>
> Peter
>
> > Best,
> >
> > David Leeming
> > Solomon Islands
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:
> sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Peter Robinson
> > Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2015 10:58 a.m.
> > To: Development of live Sugar distributions
> > Cc: Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown Douglas
> > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
> >
> > Hi David,
> >
> > I'm the SoaS maintainer.
> >
> >> I want to demonstrate SOAS to teachers in Vanuatu. I would like to be
> more useful, but actually don't have the luxury of time to research these
> arcane technical issues in which I am not an expert. I just want to know,
> is there a version of SOAS that is properly tested and known to work? I
> have used SOAS many times before (years ago) without any problems. Which
> version is stable and will boot without errors and not hang on use?
> >
> > The lastest stable version is available here:
> > https://spins.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
> >
> >> Could be hardware? I will try with another flashdrive. Is 2GB of
> persistent storage too little/too much?
> >
> > 2Gb should be fine.
> >
> > Ask here on the SoaS list if you've got any other queries or issues.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >> David Leeming
> >> Solomon Islands
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:
> sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Iain Brown Douglas
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 7:52 p.m.
> >> To: David Leeming
> >> Cc: 'Sugar-dev Devel'
> >> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS
> >>
> >> Hi David,
> >>
> >> From what you say, you already did a search for your error message.
> >>
> >> Does this Fedora forum answer cover your issue?
> >> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=301945
> >>
> >> I have been working with the script livecd-iso-to-disk and it works
> >> fine.
> >>
> >> I am working on SoaS Loader, here is a link to the work in progress.
> >>
> >> http://soas-loader.readthedocs.org/
> >>
> >> Good luck, and thanks for putting time in trying to demonstrate SoaS :)
> >>
> >> Iain
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 10:51 +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have familiarity with Sugar since working with OLPC from 2008, but I
> >>> haven’t been active in these communities for some time. I’m just
> >>> refreshing myself on current status of Sugar with a view to
> >>> introducing teachers to it in a forthcoming workshop in Vanuatu. We’ll
> >>> be using tablets as well as PCs so I have familiarised myself with
> >>> Sugarizer. I then intended to introduce the wider world of Sugar
> >>> conveniently with SOAS.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So I have downloaded both the 32-bit and 64-bit iso files and verified
> >>> their hashes. I also download the latest version of USB Live
> >>> Installer. I formatted a fairly new 16GB USB with FAT32 and installed
> >>> SOAS on it leaving 2000Mb of persistent memory. The USB stick is a
> >>> “SanDisk Cruzer Facet 16GB”.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Immediately I run into problems. When booting (on a fairly recent
> >>> Toshiba i7 laptop) it stops with 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Gonzalo Odiard]

Sorry, I missed your email and forgotten the meeting.

About the time for the Wednesday meeting, could be earlier?
(like 22 UTC)

Gonzalo
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[James Cameron]

G'day David,

I've no guidelines.  There are some industry best practices, but they
boil down to;

- conditions of sale, e.g. the seller warrants compatibility with
  Linux, or fails to,

- compatibility testing, e.g. running an uncustomised Linux such as
  Fedora, and verifying it works with enough stability,

- component testing, e.g. a memory tester,

- scenario testing, e.g. sleep and wake, lid close, lid open, wireless
  access, USB device access, sound playback, sound capture, video
  playback, video capture,

For hardware being repurposed, it helps to know where you got it from,
and what it has experienced.  A memory test may help to find thermal
problems, like dust in fans, or battery longevity.

Otherwise, it's a never ending problem.  ;-)

On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 10:05:19AM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> Hi James,
> 
> Yes that is understood. Are there any guidelines we can follow in reviewing 
> hardware for compatibility? 
> 
> David 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:00 a.m.
> To: David Leeming
> Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> Subject: Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SOAS
> 
> G'day David,
> 
> The stability problems you describe are not SOAS or Linux, but rather
> hardware.  We find Sugar, SOAS, or Linux very stable when used on
> known good hardware or in emulation on known good hardware.  Emulation
> won't fix your stability issues though; you have to fix the hardware.
> Use a memory tester.
> 
> The collaboration problems you describe are Sugar vs Fedora
> compatibility, and as Sam says are on the list for Sugar developers to
> fix.
> 
> On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 09:47:15AM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> > Hi Peter, 
> > 
> > Thanks for the confirmation of that. I did notice some issues, using the 
> > default online server with two or three SOAS active, I could sometimes see 
> > one of the identities in Neighbourhood but never both or all of them. Thus, 
> > collaboration was not possible to demonstrate.
> > 
> > However, even without collaboration the teachers in my Vanuatu workshop 
> > were keen to try for themselves. This issue we found was unpredictability. 
> > With some of the computer types we were using in the workshop it works 
> > well, but with others it might freeze after a few minutes, or not quite 
> > complete the boot sequence. We tested the 32-bit and 64-bit and several 
> > types of USB drive, reinstalled the USB drives and confirmed that there is 
> > a lot of hardware dependency. The only computer I have that it works on 
> > every time and never freezes is a small ASUS EEE PC network 6 years old. 
> > 
> > Likewise, when installing SOAS with Linux Live USB Creator it installs 
> > VirtualBox as an option, allowing one to launch SOAS from within Windows. 
> > But we found sometimes the boot sequence works fine and other times 
> > (especially when trying to demonstrate to a group) it would not start the 
> > Live boot sequence but go into Grub instead. So not very reliable way to do 
> > that either.
> > 
> > Hope this feedback is useful,
> > 
> > David Leeming
> > Solomon Islands 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Peter Robinson [mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, 8 September 2015 8:04 p.m.
> > To: David Leeming
> > Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions; Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown 
> > Douglas
> > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
> > 
> > Hi David,
> > 
> > Sorry, this seem to have fallen through the cracks.
> > 
> > > Iain referred me to a Fedora community where LinuxliveUSB installer was 
> > > recommended and it works just fine. It also installs a Linux emulator for 
> > > Windows Virtualbox and I found I could run SOAS beautifully in that way. 
> > > That is very convenient for my purposes (a quick lead in to Sugar). I 
> > > also found few problems booting USB sticks and SD cards installed using 
> > > LinuxLiveUSB, on one machine it seems to hang but others it is fine. So 
> > > it seems the installer was my issue.
> > 
> > I've never seen or heard of the above, I've also never used
> > VirtualBox, glad it works for you.
> > 
> > > Regarding collaboration, if we have a few PC computers on the same WLAN 
> > > running SOAS, can we expect them to see each other and collaborate in 
> > > neighbourhood view, without a server (ie. in the same fashion as XOs on 
> > > an ad-hoc network)? I seem to recall doing that with early versions of 
> > > SOAS. If not, is there a simple/light way to enable 
> > > collaboration/presence service on a local server sufficient to allow a 
> > > few local SOAS machines to collaborate?. I am familiar with XS 
> > > developments (up to 0.7) but in the schools in Vanuatu we'll be using 
> > > gateway servers we have developed ourselves based on Debian (Jessie 8).
> > 
> > I believe there's an issue with recent versions on collaboration, I
> > don't remember the exact issues, 

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug 1240354 - SoaS live x86_64 20150706 does not login from live system user

[Peter Robinson]

>> So to briefly restate.
>>
>> Problem: Sugar does not start on F23.
>>
>> Diagnosis: the shared library libsugarext.so.0 cannot be loaded,
>> because of a missing symbol, yet the symbol can be found with
>> strings(1).
>>
>> Workaround #1: use F22 packages.
>>
>> Workaround #2: use Martin's packages which were a rebuild of
>> sugar-toolkit-gtk3 with .spec file change
>>
>> %undefine _hardened_build
>
>
> Yes, and both workarounds have in common that sugar-toolkit-gtk3 is built
> without _hardened_build (by default on fc22 and explicitly on my modified
> fc23 package).

So this work around is now in updates-testing. It works for me with
basic testing, I've checked that the vast majority of Activities at
least run. We should have the update pulled into the next test
compose.

Please test the rest of the stack now, and report issues.

Peter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[David Leeming]

Hi James,

Yes that is understood. Are there any guidelines we can follow in reviewing 
hardware for compatibility? 

David 


-Original Message-
From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:00 a.m.
To: David Leeming
Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SOAS

G'day David,

The stability problems you describe are not SOAS or Linux, but rather
hardware.  We find Sugar, SOAS, or Linux very stable when used on
known good hardware or in emulation on known good hardware.  Emulation
won't fix your stability issues though; you have to fix the hardware.
Use a memory tester.

The collaboration problems you describe are Sugar vs Fedora
compatibility, and as Sam says are on the list for Sugar developers to
fix.

On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 09:47:15AM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> Hi Peter, 
> 
> Thanks for the confirmation of that. I did notice some issues, using the 
> default online server with two or three SOAS active, I could sometimes see 
> one of the identities in Neighbourhood but never both or all of them. Thus, 
> collaboration was not possible to demonstrate.
> 
> However, even without collaboration the teachers in my Vanuatu workshop were 
> keen to try for themselves. This issue we found was unpredictability. With 
> some of the computer types we were using in the workshop it works well, but 
> with others it might freeze after a few minutes, or not quite complete the 
> boot sequence. We tested the 32-bit and 64-bit and several types of USB 
> drive, reinstalled the USB drives and confirmed that there is a lot of 
> hardware dependency. The only computer I have that it works on every time and 
> never freezes is a small ASUS EEE PC network 6 years old. 
> 
> Likewise, when installing SOAS with Linux Live USB Creator it installs 
> VirtualBox as an option, allowing one to launch SOAS from within Windows. But 
> we found sometimes the boot sequence works fine and other times (especially 
> when trying to demonstrate to a group) it would not start the Live boot 
> sequence but go into Grub instead. So not very reliable way to do that either.
> 
> Hope this feedback is useful,
> 
> David Leeming
> Solomon Islands 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Robinson [mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 September 2015 8:04 p.m.
> To: David Leeming
> Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions; Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown 
> Douglas
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Sorry, this seem to have fallen through the cracks.
> 
> > Iain referred me to a Fedora community where LinuxliveUSB installer was 
> > recommended and it works just fine. It also installs a Linux emulator for 
> > Windows Virtualbox and I found I could run SOAS beautifully in that way. 
> > That is very convenient for my purposes (a quick lead in to Sugar). I also 
> > found few problems booting USB sticks and SD cards installed using 
> > LinuxLiveUSB, on one machine it seems to hang but others it is fine. So it 
> > seems the installer was my issue.
> 
> I've never seen or heard of the above, I've also never used
> VirtualBox, glad it works for you.
> 
> > Regarding collaboration, if we have a few PC computers on the same WLAN 
> > running SOAS, can we expect them to see each other and collaborate in 
> > neighbourhood view, without a server (ie. in the same fashion as XOs on an 
> > ad-hoc network)? I seem to recall doing that with early versions of SOAS. 
> > If not, is there a simple/light way to enable collaboration/presence 
> > service on a local server sufficient to allow a few local SOAS machines to 
> > collaborate?. I am familiar with XS developments (up to 0.7) but in the 
> > schools in Vanuatu we'll be using gateway servers we have developed 
> > ourselves based on Debian (Jessie 8).
> 
> I believe there's an issue with recent versions on collaboration, I
> don't remember the exact issues, maybe one of the sugar devs can
> answer the reasons and when it's expected it can be fixed.
> 
> Peter
> 
> > Best,
> >
> > David Leeming
> > Solomon Islands
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org 
> > [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Peter Robinson
> > Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2015 10:58 a.m.
> > To: Development of live Sugar distributions
> > Cc: Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown Douglas
> > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
> >
> > Hi David,
> >
> > I'm the SoaS maintainer.
> >
> >> I want to demonstrate SOAS to teachers in Vanuatu. I would like to be more 
> >> useful, but actually don't have the luxury of time to research these 
> >> arcane technical issues in which I am not an expert. I just want to know, 
> >> is there a version of SOAS that is properly tested and known to work? I 
> >> have used SOAS many times before (years ago) without any problems. Which 
> >> version is stable and will boot without errors and not 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[David Leeming]

Hi Peter, 

Thanks for the confirmation of that. I did notice some issues, using the 
default online server with two or three SOAS active, I could sometimes see one 
of the identities in Neighbourhood but never both or all of them. Thus, 
collaboration was not possible to demonstrate.

However, even without collaboration the teachers in my Vanuatu workshop were 
keen to try for themselves. This issue we found was unpredictability. With some 
of the computer types we were using in the workshop it works well, but with 
others it might freeze after a few minutes, or not quite complete the boot 
sequence. We tested the 32-bit and 64-bit and several types of USB drive, 
reinstalled the USB drives and confirmed that there is a lot of hardware 
dependency. The only computer I have that it works on every time and never 
freezes is a small ASUS EEE PC network 6 years old. 

Likewise, when installing SOAS with Linux Live USB Creator it installs 
VirtualBox as an option, allowing one to launch SOAS from within Windows. But 
we found sometimes the boot sequence works fine and other times (especially 
when trying to demonstrate to a group) it would not start the Live boot 
sequence but go into Grub instead. So not very reliable way to do that either.

Hope this feedback is useful,

David Leeming
Solomon Islands 


-Original Message-
From: Peter Robinson [mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 8 September 2015 8:04 p.m.
To: David Leeming
Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions; Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown Douglas
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

Hi David,

Sorry, this seem to have fallen through the cracks.

> Iain referred me to a Fedora community where LinuxliveUSB installer was 
> recommended and it works just fine. It also installs a Linux emulator for 
> Windows Virtualbox and I found I could run SOAS beautifully in that way. That 
> is very convenient for my purposes (a quick lead in to Sugar). I also found 
> few problems booting USB sticks and SD cards installed using LinuxLiveUSB, on 
> one machine it seems to hang but others it is fine. So it seems the installer 
> was my issue.

I've never seen or heard of the above, I've also never used
VirtualBox, glad it works for you.

> Regarding collaboration, if we have a few PC computers on the same WLAN 
> running SOAS, can we expect them to see each other and collaborate in 
> neighbourhood view, without a server (ie. in the same fashion as XOs on an 
> ad-hoc network)? I seem to recall doing that with early versions of SOAS. If 
> not, is there a simple/light way to enable collaboration/presence service on 
> a local server sufficient to allow a few local SOAS machines to collaborate?. 
> I am familiar with XS developments (up to 0.7) but in the schools in Vanuatu 
> we'll be using gateway servers we have developed ourselves based on Debian 
> (Jessie 8).

I believe there's an issue with recent versions on collaboration, I
don't remember the exact issues, maybe one of the sugar devs can
answer the reasons and when it's expected it can be fixed.

Peter

> Best,
>
> David Leeming
> Solomon Islands
>
> -Original Message-
> From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org 
> [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Peter Robinson
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2015 10:58 a.m.
> To: Development of live Sugar distributions
> Cc: Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown Douglas
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
>
> Hi David,
>
> I'm the SoaS maintainer.
>
>> I want to demonstrate SOAS to teachers in Vanuatu. I would like to be more 
>> useful, but actually don't have the luxury of time to research these arcane 
>> technical issues in which I am not an expert. I just want to know, is there 
>> a version of SOAS that is properly tested and known to work? I have used 
>> SOAS many times before (years ago) without any problems. Which version is 
>> stable and will boot without errors and not hang on use?
>
> The lastest stable version is available here:
> https://spins.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
>
>> Could be hardware? I will try with another flashdrive. Is 2GB of persistent 
>> storage too little/too much?
>
> 2Gb should be fine.
>
> Ask here on the SoaS list if you've got any other queries or issues.
>
> Peter
>
>> David Leeming
>> Solomon Islands
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org 
>> [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Iain Brown 
>> Douglas
>> Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 7:52 p.m.
>> To: David Leeming
>> Cc: 'Sugar-dev Devel'
>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> From what you say, you already did a search for your error message.
>>
>> Does this Fedora forum answer cover your issue?
>> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=301945
>>
>> I have been working with the script livecd-iso-to-disk and it works
>> fine.
>>
>> I am working on SoaS Loader, here is a link to the work in progress.
>>
>> http://soas-loader.readthedocs.org/

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[James Cameron]

G'day David,

The stability problems you describe are not SOAS or Linux, but rather
hardware.  We find Sugar, SOAS, or Linux very stable when used on
known good hardware or in emulation on known good hardware.  Emulation
won't fix your stability issues though; you have to fix the hardware.
Use a memory tester.

The collaboration problems you describe are Sugar vs Fedora
compatibility, and as Sam says are on the list for Sugar developers to
fix.

On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 09:47:15AM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> Hi Peter, 
> 
> Thanks for the confirmation of that. I did notice some issues, using the 
> default online server with two or three SOAS active, I could sometimes see 
> one of the identities in Neighbourhood but never both or all of them. Thus, 
> collaboration was not possible to demonstrate.
> 
> However, even without collaboration the teachers in my Vanuatu workshop were 
> keen to try for themselves. This issue we found was unpredictability. With 
> some of the computer types we were using in the workshop it works well, but 
> with others it might freeze after a few minutes, or not quite complete the 
> boot sequence. We tested the 32-bit and 64-bit and several types of USB 
> drive, reinstalled the USB drives and confirmed that there is a lot of 
> hardware dependency. The only computer I have that it works on every time and 
> never freezes is a small ASUS EEE PC network 6 years old. 
> 
> Likewise, when installing SOAS with Linux Live USB Creator it installs 
> VirtualBox as an option, allowing one to launch SOAS from within Windows. But 
> we found sometimes the boot sequence works fine and other times (especially 
> when trying to demonstrate to a group) it would not start the Live boot 
> sequence but go into Grub instead. So not very reliable way to do that either.
> 
> Hope this feedback is useful,
> 
> David Leeming
> Solomon Islands 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Robinson [mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 September 2015 8:04 p.m.
> To: David Leeming
> Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions; Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown 
> Douglas
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Sorry, this seem to have fallen through the cracks.
> 
> > Iain referred me to a Fedora community where LinuxliveUSB installer was 
> > recommended and it works just fine. It also installs a Linux emulator for 
> > Windows Virtualbox and I found I could run SOAS beautifully in that way. 
> > That is very convenient for my purposes (a quick lead in to Sugar). I also 
> > found few problems booting USB sticks and SD cards installed using 
> > LinuxLiveUSB, on one machine it seems to hang but others it is fine. So it 
> > seems the installer was my issue.
> 
> I've never seen or heard of the above, I've also never used
> VirtualBox, glad it works for you.
> 
> > Regarding collaboration, if we have a few PC computers on the same WLAN 
> > running SOAS, can we expect them to see each other and collaborate in 
> > neighbourhood view, without a server (ie. in the same fashion as XOs on an 
> > ad-hoc network)? I seem to recall doing that with early versions of SOAS. 
> > If not, is there a simple/light way to enable collaboration/presence 
> > service on a local server sufficient to allow a few local SOAS machines to 
> > collaborate?. I am familiar with XS developments (up to 0.7) but in the 
> > schools in Vanuatu we'll be using gateway servers we have developed 
> > ourselves based on Debian (Jessie 8).
> 
> I believe there's an issue with recent versions on collaboration, I
> don't remember the exact issues, maybe one of the sugar devs can
> answer the reasons and when it's expected it can be fixed.
> 
> Peter
> 
> > Best,
> >
> > David Leeming
> > Solomon Islands
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org 
> > [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Peter Robinson
> > Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2015 10:58 a.m.
> > To: Development of live Sugar distributions
> > Cc: Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown Douglas
> > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
> >
> > Hi David,
> >
> > I'm the SoaS maintainer.
> >
> >> I want to demonstrate SOAS to teachers in Vanuatu. I would like to be more 
> >> useful, but actually don't have the luxury of time to research these 
> >> arcane technical issues in which I am not an expert. I just want to know, 
> >> is there a version of SOAS that is properly tested and known to work? I 
> >> have used SOAS many times before (years ago) without any problems. Which 
> >> version is stable and will boot without errors and not hang on use?
> >
> > The lastest stable version is available here:
> > https://spins.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
> >
> >> Could be hardware? I will try with another flashdrive. Is 2GB of 
> >> persistent storage too little/too much?
> >
> > 2Gb should be fine.
> >
> > Ask here on the SoaS list if you've got any other queries or issues.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >> David 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[David Leeming]

Hi James,

What are the hardware requirements for SOAS to work?

David 


-Original Message-
From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:37 a.m.
To: David Leeming
Cc: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

G'day David,

I've no guidelines.  There are some industry best practices, but they
boil down to;

- conditions of sale, e.g. the seller warrants compatibility with
  Linux, or fails to,

- compatibility testing, e.g. running an uncustomised Linux such as
  Fedora, and verifying it works with enough stability,

- component testing, e.g. a memory tester,

- scenario testing, e.g. sleep and wake, lid close, lid open, wireless
  access, USB device access, sound playback, sound capture, video
  playback, video capture,

For hardware being repurposed, it helps to know where you got it from,
and what it has experienced.  A memory test may help to find thermal
problems, like dust in fans, or battery longevity.

Otherwise, it's a never ending problem.  ;-)

On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 10:05:19AM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> Hi James,
> 
> Yes that is understood. Are there any guidelines we can follow in reviewing 
> hardware for compatibility? 
> 
> David 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:00 a.m.
> To: David Leeming
> Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> Subject: Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SOAS
> 
> G'day David,
> 
> The stability problems you describe are not SOAS or Linux, but rather
> hardware.  We find Sugar, SOAS, or Linux very stable when used on
> known good hardware or in emulation on known good hardware.  Emulation
> won't fix your stability issues though; you have to fix the hardware.
> Use a memory tester.
> 
> The collaboration problems you describe are Sugar vs Fedora
> compatibility, and as Sam says are on the list for Sugar developers to
> fix.
> 
> On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 09:47:15AM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> > Hi Peter, 
> > 
> > Thanks for the confirmation of that. I did notice some issues, using the 
> > default online server with two or three SOAS active, I could sometimes see 
> > one of the identities in Neighbourhood but never both or all of them. Thus, 
> > collaboration was not possible to demonstrate.
> > 
> > However, even without collaboration the teachers in my Vanuatu workshop 
> > were keen to try for themselves. This issue we found was unpredictability. 
> > With some of the computer types we were using in the workshop it works 
> > well, but with others it might freeze after a few minutes, or not quite 
> > complete the boot sequence. We tested the 32-bit and 64-bit and several 
> > types of USB drive, reinstalled the USB drives and confirmed that there is 
> > a lot of hardware dependency. The only computer I have that it works on 
> > every time and never freezes is a small ASUS EEE PC network 6 years old. 
> > 
> > Likewise, when installing SOAS with Linux Live USB Creator it installs 
> > VirtualBox as an option, allowing one to launch SOAS from within Windows. 
> > But we found sometimes the boot sequence works fine and other times 
> > (especially when trying to demonstrate to a group) it would not start the 
> > Live boot sequence but go into Grub instead. So not very reliable way to do 
> > that either.
> > 
> > Hope this feedback is useful,
> > 
> > David Leeming
> > Solomon Islands 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Peter Robinson [mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, 8 September 2015 8:04 p.m.
> > To: David Leeming
> > Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions; Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown 
> > Douglas
> > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
> > 
> > Hi David,
> > 
> > Sorry, this seem to have fallen through the cracks.
> > 
> > > Iain referred me to a Fedora community where LinuxliveUSB installer was 
> > > recommended and it works just fine. It also installs a Linux emulator for 
> > > Windows Virtualbox and I found I could run SOAS beautifully in that way. 
> > > That is very convenient for my purposes (a quick lead in to Sugar). I 
> > > also found few problems booting USB sticks and SD cards installed using 
> > > LinuxLiveUSB, on one machine it seems to hang but others it is fine. So 
> > > it seems the installer was my issue.
> > 
> > I've never seen or heard of the above, I've also never used
> > VirtualBox, glad it works for you.
> > 
> > > Regarding collaboration, if we have a few PC computers on the same WLAN 
> > > running SOAS, can we expect them to see each other and collaborate in 
> > > neighbourhood view, without a server (ie. in the same fashion as XOs on 
> > > an ad-hoc network)? I seem to recall doing that with early versions of 
> > > SOAS. If not, is there a simple/light way to enable 
> > > collaboration/presence service on a local server sufficient to allow a 
> > > few local SOAS 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[James Cameron]

The same hardware requirements for the corresponding version of
Fedora, since SOAS is based on Fedora.

SOAS itself has no hardware requirements beyond what Fedora has.

SOAS and Sugar are hardware agnostic.

However, some Sugar activities require a camera, some require
microphone and speaker, and most require wireless or wired networking.

A keyboard, touchpad or mouse, and touchscreen are also useful.

On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 10:50:06AM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> Hi James,
> 
> What are the hardware requirements for SOAS to work?
> 
> David 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:37 a.m.
> To: David Leeming
> Cc: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
> 
> G'day David,
> 
> I've no guidelines.  There are some industry best practices, but they
> boil down to;
> 
> - conditions of sale, e.g. the seller warrants compatibility with
>   Linux, or fails to,
> 
> - compatibility testing, e.g. running an uncustomised Linux such as
>   Fedora, and verifying it works with enough stability,
> 
> - component testing, e.g. a memory tester,
> 
> - scenario testing, e.g. sleep and wake, lid close, lid open, wireless
>   access, USB device access, sound playback, sound capture, video
>   playback, video capture,
> 
> For hardware being repurposed, it helps to know where you got it from,
> and what it has experienced.  A memory test may help to find thermal
> problems, like dust in fans, or battery longevity.
> 
> Otherwise, it's a never ending problem.  ;-)
> 
> On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 10:05:19AM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> > Hi James,
> > 
> > Yes that is understood. Are there any guidelines we can follow in reviewing 
> > hardware for compatibility? 
> > 
> > David 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:00 a.m.
> > To: David Leeming
> > Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > Subject: Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SOAS
> > 
> > G'day David,
> > 
> > The stability problems you describe are not SOAS or Linux, but rather
> > hardware.  We find Sugar, SOAS, or Linux very stable when used on
> > known good hardware or in emulation on known good hardware.  Emulation
> > won't fix your stability issues though; you have to fix the hardware.
> > Use a memory tester.
> > 
> > The collaboration problems you describe are Sugar vs Fedora
> > compatibility, and as Sam says are on the list for Sugar developers to
> > fix.
> > 
> > On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 09:47:15AM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> > > Hi Peter, 
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the confirmation of that. I did notice some issues, using the 
> > > default online server with two or three SOAS active, I could sometimes 
> > > see one of the identities in Neighbourhood but never both or all of them. 
> > > Thus, collaboration was not possible to demonstrate.
> > > 
> > > However, even without collaboration the teachers in my Vanuatu workshop 
> > > were keen to try for themselves. This issue we found was 
> > > unpredictability. With some of the computer types we were using in the 
> > > workshop it works well, but with others it might freeze after a few 
> > > minutes, or not quite complete the boot sequence. We tested the 32-bit 
> > > and 64-bit and several types of USB drive, reinstalled the USB drives and 
> > > confirmed that there is a lot of hardware dependency. The only computer I 
> > > have that it works on every time and never freezes is a small ASUS EEE PC 
> > > network 6 years old. 
> > > 
> > > Likewise, when installing SOAS with Linux Live USB Creator it installs 
> > > VirtualBox as an option, allowing one to launch SOAS from within Windows. 
> > > But we found sometimes the boot sequence works fine and other times 
> > > (especially when trying to demonstrate to a group) it would not start the 
> > > Live boot sequence but go into Grub instead. So not very reliable way to 
> > > do that either.
> > > 
> > > Hope this feedback is useful,
> > > 
> > > David Leeming
> > > Solomon Islands 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Peter Robinson [mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com] 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 8 September 2015 8:04 p.m.
> > > To: David Leeming
> > > Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions; Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown 
> > > Douglas
> > > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
> > > 
> > > Hi David,
> > > 
> > > Sorry, this seem to have fallen through the cracks.
> > > 
> > > > Iain referred me to a Fedora community where LinuxliveUSB installer was 
> > > > recommended and it works just fine. It also installs a Linux emulator 
> > > > for Windows Virtualbox and I found I could run SOAS beautifully in that 
> > > > way. That is very convenient for my purposes (a quick lead in to 
> > > > Sugar). I also found few problems booting USB sticks and SD cards 
> > > > installed using 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[James Cameron]

Inline quoted reply.

On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 12:46:37PM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> Well my old Toshiba laptop for instance, a Qosmio i7, a few years
> old but was a $2000 laptop when new. On this I can't boot and run
> SOAS. It never completes booting, you go through the name, colour,
> gender, school grade but then it just shows the blank screen with
> only the mouse cursor screen never getting as far as the Sugar Home
> View..

Isn't that bug #1240354 that we've all been talking about on
sugar-devel@?  If so, it has nothing to do with hardware
compatibility, you've just imagined it has.  ;-)

Try Fedora or 32-bit build instead?

> Tested on a few of these - Lenovo Q190 desktop computer - using the
> 32 bit or 64 bit version that worked (can't remember but we tried
> both), it boots OK but freezes after starting a few
> activities. Could that be the activity rather than the OS? 

Sounds like you tried a 32-bit build?

> As I said, on a very old Asus EEE PC 1005H model, it works very
> reliably every time.

Isn't that a 32-bit system?  (N270 lacks Intel 64 feature).

> Could it be the LinuxLive USB Creator installer that is to blame?

Not likely given available information.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[David Leeming]

Hi,

Well my old Toshiba laptop for instance, a Qosmio i7, a few years old but was a 
$2000 laptop when new. On this I can't boot and run SOAS. It never completes 
booting, you go through the name, colour, gender, school grade but then it just 
shows the blank screen with only the mouse cursor screen never getting as far 
as the Sugar Home View..

Tested on a few of these - Lenovo Q190 desktop computer - using the 32 bit or 
64 bit version that worked (can't remember but we tried both), it boots OK but 
freezes after starting a few activities. Could that be the activity rather than 
the OS? 

As I said, on a very old Asus EEE PC 1005H model, it works very reliably every 
time.

Could it be the LinuxLive USB Creator installer that is to blame?

David 


-Original Message-
From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 11:05 a.m.
To: David Leeming
Cc: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

The same hardware requirements for the corresponding version of
Fedora, since SOAS is based on Fedora.

SOAS itself has no hardware requirements beyond what Fedora has.

SOAS and Sugar are hardware agnostic.

However, some Sugar activities require a camera, some require
microphone and speaker, and most require wireless or wired networking.

A keyboard, touchpad or mouse, and touchscreen are also useful.

On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 10:50:06AM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> Hi James,
> 
> What are the hardware requirements for SOAS to work?
> 
> David 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:37 a.m.
> To: David Leeming
> Cc: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
> 
> G'day David,
> 
> I've no guidelines.  There are some industry best practices, but they
> boil down to;
> 
> - conditions of sale, e.g. the seller warrants compatibility with
>   Linux, or fails to,
> 
> - compatibility testing, e.g. running an uncustomised Linux such as
>   Fedora, and verifying it works with enough stability,
> 
> - component testing, e.g. a memory tester,
> 
> - scenario testing, e.g. sleep and wake, lid close, lid open, wireless
>   access, USB device access, sound playback, sound capture, video
>   playback, video capture,
> 
> For hardware being repurposed, it helps to know where you got it from,
> and what it has experienced.  A memory test may help to find thermal
> problems, like dust in fans, or battery longevity.
> 
> Otherwise, it's a never ending problem.  ;-)
> 
> On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 10:05:19AM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> > Hi James,
> > 
> > Yes that is understood. Are there any guidelines we can follow in reviewing 
> > hardware for compatibility? 
> > 
> > David 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:00 a.m.
> > To: David Leeming
> > Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > Subject: Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SOAS
> > 
> > G'day David,
> > 
> > The stability problems you describe are not SOAS or Linux, but rather
> > hardware.  We find Sugar, SOAS, or Linux very stable when used on
> > known good hardware or in emulation on known good hardware.  Emulation
> > won't fix your stability issues though; you have to fix the hardware.
> > Use a memory tester.
> > 
> > The collaboration problems you describe are Sugar vs Fedora
> > compatibility, and as Sam says are on the list for Sugar developers to
> > fix.
> > 
> > On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 09:47:15AM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> > > Hi Peter, 
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the confirmation of that. I did notice some issues, using the 
> > > default online server with two or three SOAS active, I could sometimes 
> > > see one of the identities in Neighbourhood but never both or all of them. 
> > > Thus, collaboration was not possible to demonstrate.
> > > 
> > > However, even without collaboration the teachers in my Vanuatu workshop 
> > > were keen to try for themselves. This issue we found was 
> > > unpredictability. With some of the computer types we were using in the 
> > > workshop it works well, but with others it might freeze after a few 
> > > minutes, or not quite complete the boot sequence. We tested the 32-bit 
> > > and 64-bit and several types of USB drive, reinstalled the USB drives and 
> > > confirmed that there is a lot of hardware dependency. The only computer I 
> > > have that it works on every time and never freezes is a small ASUS EEE PC 
> > > network 6 years old. 
> > > 
> > > Likewise, when installing SOAS with Linux Live USB Creator it installs 
> > > VirtualBox as an option, allowing one to launch SOAS from within Windows. 
> > > But we found sometimes the boot sequence works fine and other times 
> > > (especially when trying to demonstrate to a group) it would not start the 
> > > Live boot 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[David Leeming]

Hi James,

Well whatever it is, it highlights some practical experience of trying to
use SOAS, with blunders and all. It needs to be used by people with
technical and troubleshooting skills.  

David 


-Original Message-
From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 1:00 p.m.
To: David Leeming
Cc: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

Inline quoted reply.

On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 12:46:37PM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> Well my old Toshiba laptop for instance, a Qosmio i7, a few years
> old but was a $2000 laptop when new. On this I can't boot and run
> SOAS. It never completes booting, you go through the name, colour,
> gender, school grade but then it just shows the blank screen with
> only the mouse cursor screen never getting as far as the Sugar Home
> View..

Isn't that bug #1240354 that we've all been talking about on
sugar-devel@?  If so, it has nothing to do with hardware
compatibility, you've just imagined it has.  ;-)

Try Fedora or 32-bit build instead?

> Tested on a few of these - Lenovo Q190 desktop computer - using the
> 32 bit or 64 bit version that worked (can't remember but we tried
> both), it boots OK but freezes after starting a few
> activities. Could that be the activity rather than the OS? 

Sounds like you tried a 32-bit build?

> As I said, on a very old Asus EEE PC 1005H model, it works very
> reliably every time.

Isn't that a 32-bit system?  (N270 lacks Intel 64 feature).

> Could it be the LinuxLive USB Creator installer that is to blame?

Not likely given available information.

-- 
James Cameron
http://quozl.linux.org.au/



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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[James Cameron]

No, only that version.  If you go to a previous version it won't
suffer from the same fault.

On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 01:30:35PM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> Hi James,
> 
> Well whatever it is, it highlights some practical experience of trying to
> use SOAS, with blunders and all. It needs to be used by people with
> technical and troubleshooting skills.  
> 
> David 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 1:00 p.m.
> To: David Leeming
> Cc: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
> 
> Inline quoted reply.
> 
> On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 12:46:37PM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> > Well my old Toshiba laptop for instance, a Qosmio i7, a few years
> > old but was a $2000 laptop when new. On this I can't boot and run
> > SOAS. It never completes booting, you go through the name, colour,
> > gender, school grade but then it just shows the blank screen with
> > only the mouse cursor screen never getting as far as the Sugar Home
> > View..
> 
> Isn't that bug #1240354 that we've all been talking about on
> sugar-devel@?  If so, it has nothing to do with hardware
> compatibility, you've just imagined it has.  ;-)
> 
> Try Fedora or 32-bit build instead?
> 
> > Tested on a few of these - Lenovo Q190 desktop computer - using the
> > 32 bit or 64 bit version that worked (can't remember but we tried
> > both), it boots OK but freezes after starting a few
> > activities. Could that be the activity rather than the OS? 
> 
> Sounds like you tried a 32-bit build?
> 
> > As I said, on a very old Asus EEE PC 1005H model, it works very
> > reliably every time.
> 
> Isn't that a 32-bit system?  (N270 lacks Intel 64 feature).
> 
> > Could it be the LinuxLive USB Creator installer that is to blame?
> 
> Not likely given available information.
> 
> -- 
> James Cameron
> http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Walter Bender]

After further discussion, we've agreed to reschedule the meeting to
next Monday, 14 September, at 23:00 UTC (19:00 ET).

Sorry for any inconvenience.

regards.

-walter

On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 7:13 PM, Walter Bender  wrote:
> We did not have a quorum, so we will try again on Wednesday/Thursday.
> (1:00 +1 UTC, 21:00 ET).
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 8:07 PM, Walter Bender  wrote:
>> We meet tomorrow evening (first Monday of the month) at 23:00 UTC (19:00 ET).
>>
>> Topics of discussion include GSoC wrap up, membership and elections,
>> Google Code In 2015, [your topic here].
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> --
>> Walter Bender
>> Sugar Labs
>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
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>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org



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