[Sugar-devel] GSoC 2020 Active Waiting

[James Cameron]

We have accepted nine student projects.

Google will check everything they have to, and announce student
projects on 4th May.

We are to not communicate the decisions on projects until then, as
the situation could change.

Students: you are welcome to contribute while you wait.

Mentors: remind yourself of responsibilities by reading

https://google.github.io/gsocguides/mentor/
https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/responsibilities

Everyone: get involved on GitHub, mailing list, Wiki, and other public
services used by Sugar Labs.

--

My announcement after 4th May will contain;

* student and project names,

* mentor names,

* backup mentor names,

Each project has a mentor, and one or two backup mentors.  Backup
mentors are in case the mentor gets sick or must withdraw from the
program.  We can add or change mentors on a project until 31st May.

All technical project communication between mentors and students is to
be public; mailing list, GitHub issues, pull requests, teams, or an
open access chat service announced by mailing list.  This is your
responsibility to help and teach your student how to be part of a
community and to communicate more effectively and in the open.  Also
to comply with our code of conduct.

Project logistics communication may be private; your availability,
daily diary notes, and constructive feedback that could be
misinterpreted if public.  You must CC gsoc2020ad...@sugarlabs.org to
maintain transparency, and also because your org admins are
responsible for continuous evaluation of your interactions.  We can't
do that if we can't see it.

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James Cameron
http://quozl.netrek.org/
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 32 is silent?

[Alex Perez]

Correct, this is a function of multiple audio outputs, and how they are 
enumerated. I have verified that SoaS boots and runs, with sound and no 
changes required, on an old iMac5,2, form 2007. As an aside, this is one 
of those weird Apple-manufactured 32-bit EFI machines (but 64-bit CPUs).



James Cameron 
April 28, 2020 at 6:28 PM
Good, that makes it not-Sugar.  Get it fixed on Workstation is your
best bet.

I've seen this kind of thing happen with laptops that have HDMI output
capability.  Audio is being clocked out a disconnected port.

Sugar predates PulseAudio.  Sugar has no support for anything other
than ALSA.  An opportunity.  GStreamer as used by Speak will use
PulseAudio if available.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 08:31:57PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:

So I found that SoaS and Fedora Workstation, at least, have the audio output
sink default on card/port index 1 instead of the convention of index 0.
Where and how this goes this way, I don't know.  But it happens on more than
one system.

I've updated the bug report, [1]https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4998.

A workaround is to use the PulseAudio command,
$ pacmd set-default-sink 0

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:36 AM Peter Robinson <[2]pbrobin...@gmail.com> wrote:

 > With Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso I'm hearing no sound.
 > And see no log messages.
 >
 > Is this a common problem?

 Ultimately in this cycle in particular an awful lot changed, we moved
 completely from python2 -> python3 among a lot of other changes.

 For me the Speak activity works for me on a VM and that's my usual
 go-to sound tester as I don't need to find any media to play.

 Things like sound are very complex, multiple output, defaults,
 different hardware. Some level of detail of the hardware and the setup
 is useful to even begin to know what the issue may be, is there any
 errors in dmesg etc.

 Peter

 > --
 > From: James Cameron <[3]qu...@laptop.org>
 > Date: Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 8:04 PM
 > To: Frederick Grose <[4]fgr...@gmail.com>
 > Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions <[5]s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
 >, Sugar-dev Devel <[6]sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org>
 >
 >
 > I've no idea about your sound problem.  It doesn't happen for me on
 > Debian or Ubuntu.  I get sound from Speak and Music Keyboard.  I get
 > sound into Measure.
 >
 > For not seeing any log messages; Python 3 holds messages in process
 > memory and does not flush logs.  Another layer of buffering.
 >
 > Log files in .sugar/default/logs should be read after stopping the
 > program that writes to them.
 >
 > For activity logs, you have to stop the activity and confirm with
 > Frame F6 that it is stopped.
 >
 > For shell.log you have to log out and log in again.
 >
 > For datastore.log you have to log out for a couple of minutes and then
 > log in again.  Otherwise the same datastore process may be reused.
 >
 > James Cameron
 > [7]http://quozl.netrek.org/
 >
 >
 > --
 > From: Alex Perez <[8]ape...@alexperez.com>
 > Date: Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 8:11 PM
 > To: Frederick Grose <[9]fgr...@gmail.com>
 > Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions <[10]s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
 >, Sugar-dev Devel <[11]sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org>
 >
 >
 > Frederick,
 >
 > Chances are, with the sound problem, that this is a system/Fedora
 specific problem, and has nothing to do with Sugar. You can test this
 hypothesis by downloading a different spin of RC1.6, for example the LXDE
 Live ISO, and test sound there. [12]https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/
 stage/32_RC-1.6/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-LXDE-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso
 >
 > &
 >
 > Thanks for the hints.
 >
 > I tested a live USB installation of LXDE 32-1.6 and got sound for the
 music player sample.
 >
 > So probably not Fedora in general, nor Sugar, but something in the SoaS
 build.
 >
 > I've opened [13]https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4998 and attached the
 zipped logs from some test sessions.
 >
 >
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References:

[1] https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4998
[2] mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com
[3] mailto:qu...@laptop.org
[4] mailto:fgr...@gmail.com
[5] mailto:s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
[6] mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
[7] http://quozl.netrek.org/
[8] mailto:ape...@alexperez.com
[9] mailto:fgr...@gmail.com
[10] mailto:s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
[11] mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org

[Sugar-devel] Status of Python 3 port of Sugar Training Activity?

[Alex Perez]

James,

I saw your commit from seven days ago to 
https://github.com/sugarlabs/training-activity, and was wondering if 
it's considered "py3 complete". Can you provide a high level update on 
the state of the activity, as time allows?


Thanks,
Alex Perez
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