Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] an ardent proposal to bring *LOVE* back into Sugar Labs
/Members/List carefully before the light goes out :) And if a board meeting is needed to finalize any electoral learning learning consensus(es) emerging above, or similar/otherwise, please Walter/CJB schedule this very quickly before I go offline most of Sat Oct 30 to Sun Nov 14 to volunteer building http://blueTarpSchool.blogspot.com in Haiti. (5) I Love Haiti, but can't promise Sugar/OLPC/Realness/FabLab/Whatever Local Lab Port-au-Prince just yet on this trip -- but I *will* do what I can to convince my traveling companion (Tim Falconer, http://waveplace.com/news/blog ) rest you assured!! (6) Fall in Love again, it won't hurt I promise... it might even hopefully spur you to add your name here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2010-2011-candidates ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] scalability in the neighborhood view
I like your thinking around this. I do have one use case to think about, although probably not support yet. The GPA resorts its students a few times a day, even within the same grade level. There is one group of students for reading, another mix for math, and then another, perhaps with students from different grades after school. It would be a nice feature to eventually have to let the teacher narrow down the neighborhood based on a specific Moodle group, for a specific period of time. That is have students focus on only other students in their class right now. I don't think anyone is using Moodle and Sugar with this level of sophistication yet, but I think its a feature teachers may want as they become more powerful users. Maybe just think about how this use case can be supported in the future as part of any design decisions. On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote: based on a conversation in #sugar with Collabora's Rob and Sjoerd, would like to propose some changes to how we display contacts/buddies Good that you're thinking about this! - In the neighborhood view, display all users in our roster: user roster + shared roster. The user roster will be composed by the Agreed -- and I think that this is mostly the case already. I also think that (for users on the same server), user roster == friends. See below... contacts that we have added ourselves and, in the Salut case, the contacts accessible through Avahi. The shared roster will be assigned by the school administration (through Moodle?) and will typically correspond to our classroom or our grade. I think that Martin Langhoff has worked on the server side of this. - In the friends view, we display those contacts that we have friended, being this a local concept. Is this local concept not fed to the user roster on the server (for users known to this server)? IMHO, it should. - In the neighborhood view, we can conduct a search that will span all contacts in the server (not only those in our rosters). The search will be done via the regular underlying mechanism, not through Gadget. That would be fantastic, with the following notes: - If I find someone, do I have to make friend so that user sticks around? - Maybe the behaviour is nicer if it neighbourhood view also shows recently found without the need to friend them explicitly. - Right now, searches have a UI behaviour that isn't a good fit for this new feature -- you search amongst things already in your view. Finding new things will need designing a new UI behaviour. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] Fresh Sugar presetnations?
I used this one on Monday: http://prezi.com/kuuhqwmkxxtm/ On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.orgwrote: For an upcoming talk, I'd like to remix some of my old Sugar presentations and include new technical and introductory information about SoaS and Sugar's core components. Can anyone point me at existing presentations from which I could shamelessly rip graphics and good ideas? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: #841 UNSP: SoaS should support using a proxy server
I am working with a school in NH where we can get Sugar to boot and run on some of their machines but we can't get it to connect to the internet because the school uses a proxy server. I am going to a NH LUG meeting tonight to try to recruit a local linux person to help support them. Is this likely to be a pointer to how to fix their internet connection problems? Thanks, Caroline On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote: This would make a nice feature for 0.90. We should use the same gconf settings as GNOME: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-vfs/tree/schemas/system_http_proxy.schemas.in Regards, Tomeu -- Forwarded message -- From: Sugar Labs Bugs bugtracker-nore...@sugarlabs.org Date: Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 20:07 Subject: Re: #841 UNSP: SoaS should support using a proxy server To: Cc: b...@lists.sugarlabs.org #841: SoaS should support using a proxy server --+- Reporter: jdsimmons | Owner: tomeu Type: enhancement| Status: new Priority: Unspecified by Maintainer | Milestone: Unspecified by Release Team Component: sugar |Version: Unspecified Severity: Unspecified| Keywords: proxy server Distribution: SoaS | Status_field: Unconfirmed --+- Changes (by sdz): * owner: sdz = tomeu * component: SoaS = sugar Comment: Assigning this over to sugar, as I guess it could be handled as part of a control panel screen or so. -- Ticket URL: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/841#comment:2 Sugar Labs http://sugarlabs.org/ Sugar Labs bug tracking system ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] seeking feedback on sketch of a new color selector
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Hi Walter, as far as I know there are no more design decisions to make for this Feature. I did raise a new question: should we eliminate the color selector altogether in the initialization screen. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea. I have found that having children choose colors at the beginning is disruptive (although they enjoy it). If colors were randomly assigned then that step could be eliminated. The Control Panel could be used (at a time determined by the teacher) to change the colors. Of course, we'd want to get more input from the field, but I think this simplifies things... I agree. Picking a color first thing when you are doing a demo is great, because it shows off the individualization of the system. However, when you are in a class situation it is distracting and since some kids are fast and others very slow at this task it leads to spread in where people are right away. It might be better to have it as something of an easter egg. Something they can explore. My one concern is will we have rebellion? Kids who just can't stand having pink and purple or just can't stand the fact that someone else has their favorite colors. That might be even more disruptive. Can you update the Feature page, especially the detailed description to the latest state? Do we have the shortcut and is it possible to have the random selection? If there are open questions we can clear them at the design meeting this Saturday [1]. done. Detailed Description Buttons are added to either side of the XO icon currently used to randomly cycle through the valid-XO-color list. On the left is a button that cycles through the list in one direction. On the right is a button that cycles through the list in the other direction. Smaller XO icons to the left and right of the new buttons show a preview of the colors that will be selected if the button (or icon) is pressed. There is also a keyboard shortcut (Ctrl-Z) to undo the last change. Thanks, Simon [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/0.88_Meeting I will try to join the Sat. discussion. regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] GCompris was Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2010-01-07
=== In the community === 2. Bruno Coudoin announced the release of GCompris Version 9.0. Aleksey is already working on making sure that it is properly packaged for Sugar and available on http://activities.sugarlabs.org. Congrats to the GComris team! I have found GCompris activities a valuable addition to Sugar and look forward to the upgrade. GCompris also has a groups model that allows some teacher administration: http://gcompris.net/wiki/index.php/Manual#Administering_GCompris Did the upgrade touch this part of the project? Does anyone know if anyone is thinking about how to make this functionality available to teachers using Sugar? Thanks, Caroline IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GCompris was Re: Sugar Digest 2010-01-07
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 19:24, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: === In the community === 2. Bruno Coudoin announced the release of GCompris Version 9.0. Aleksey is already working on making sure that it is properly packaged for Sugar and available on http://activities.sugarlabs.org. Congrats to the GComris team! I have found GCompris activities a valuable addition to Sugar and look forward to the upgrade. GCompris also has a groups model that allows some teacher administration: http://gcompris.net/wiki/index.php/Manual#Administering_GCompris Did the upgrade touch this part of the project? Does anyone know if anyone is thinking about how to make this functionality available to teachers using Sugar? Didn't got many answers when I asked about similar functionality on the Teachermate. My guess is that Sugar is supposed to be deployable in some situations where the data sharing solutions in the Teachermate and GCompris don't work. Having the teacher functionality potentially available where there is an XS doesn't have to mean the activities won't work when there isn't one. I was just checking to see the status. My memory about Teachermate was there were people interested in working on Teachermate teacher system but they wanted assurances that the Teachermate activities were going to be released under a GPL or CC license and an idea of how much content there was. There were no answers on that. Thanks, Caroline Regards, Tomeu Thanks, Caroline IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS 2 problems
I second what Jim says. I've had a lot of trouble booting from the boot helper with Blueberry. Bernie looked at this at the GPA and found a bug in Fedora related to video drivers. Bernie, was this bug reported? Can you help David see if he is having the same problem we saw at GPA? Thanks, Caroline On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: Tomeu and David, I experienced exactly the same problem with the Blueberry Boot Helper CD that Dave has. The message is exactly the same. I reported it at bugs.sugarlabs.org. I would be surprised if the problem was an incomplete download. I have had good success booting Blueberry directly from the USB, but only a couple of the computers I own can do it. I was able to boot Strawberry using its helper CD, and I can also boot the Fedora 12 Live CD with no problem. James Simmons Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:12:58 +0100 From: Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS 2 problems To: David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com Cc: Sugar on a Stick List s...@lists.sugarlabs.org, Sugar-devel Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: 242851611001110112w63906d7rc8ca88b140919...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi David, the most practical way of making sure that your download isn't corrupted is to verify the checksum: http://techcityinc.com/2009/02/06/calculate-md5-and-sha1-on-windows/ The SHA-1 checksum of the file should be the one in this file: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/releases/SHA1SUM I think that LiveUSB Creator checks it for you. I'm cc'ing this email to the soas mailing list in case they can be of more help. Regards, Tomeu On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 06:21, David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com wrote: Hello, I am trying out SOAS for the first time, for a workshop related to an OLPC deployment. Unfortunately I can?t get it to run on either of two laptops on which I tested. I followed the instructions using LiveUSB Creator, with a previously downloaded copy of the SOAS-2-Bueberry iso. The flash drive was 2GB capacity, previously reformatted and I used 505MB of persistent storage. I am using Windows Vista and tested it on that and also a machine running W7. Both required the boot helper but started up OK with the start up screen with the circle of dots forming clockwise around the X. But before the circle of dots completes, it hangs and on pressing the ESC key I see the following: /sbin/dmsquash-live-root:166: grep not found dracut warning: machine in enforcing mode and cannot execute load_policy dracut warning: to disable selinux, add selinux=0 to the kernel command line dracut warning: not continuing I reproduced this behaviour with another flash drive, so I doubt that is the problem. As stated, same behaviour with two very different laptop computers (both ASUS, one an F3SC laptop, one a 1005HA netbook). Could it be an incomplete download? Using Windows Explorer (right click/properties) on the downloaded iso file it shows as 589 MB (617,611,264 bytes). Can anyone verify that is OK? However, it succeeds with the LiveUSB Creator and does start up initially. That is not so easy for me to test as in the Solomons it can be an overnight job to download 600MB, and there are often outages. David Leeming Solomon Islands ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Religious/Spiritual Text
The XO in the Classroom book by Sdenka Salas from Peru has an example of the use of local religion to make education more relevant for the students. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sdenka_Salas_-_The_XO_Laptop_in_the_Classroom#.C2.A9_THE_XO_LAPTOP_IN_THE_CLASSROOM See activity 19: Documenting our communities main celebrations. In this case it feels well framed as part of having children connect with their community, culture and heritage. Is there a way your work can be framed explicitly an example of how they can connect with their own cultural heritage of both music and religion? Caroline On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Art, Personally, I would find it appropriate and sufficient if you added a note about the religious content to the OurMusic and OurMusicMC activity descriptions at activities.sugarlabs.org. I was one of the ones who (privately) flagged your activities as a possible issue for SugarLabs, and I then advocated that we develop some kind of editorial standards for activity hosting on activities.sugarlabs.org. Like Edward says, we have activities which include religious or spiritual content and there is nothing wrong with that. The imperative is that it be labeled appropriately and not forcibly or subversively distributed. Best, -Wade On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote: It has recently been suggested to me that the religious/spiritual text in my OurMusic and OurMusicMC activities may not be well received by some, and that the text may hinder chances for deployment and even potentially cause individuals (or Sugar Labs) trouble. Needless to say, I'd like to avoid these eventualities if at all possible. (For perspective on the relevence of this text to me, please see my list of Recent Compositions at www.arthunkins.com. These activities are the final manifestations of a long-term project.) The current text is: A Creation Story: On the sixth day I was created. God said I was very good. On the sixth day We were created - my friends and I. God said We were very good. On the sixth day my Family was created - my loved ones and I, together with all the other creatures. God said my Family was very good. God saw that everything He made was very good. He was so pleased He decided to take a holiday, and joined us in play. A possible alternative text (equivalent, and equally acceptable to me - but expressed in more universal language): One day long ago I was created. Spirit was delighted with me. One day long ago We were created - my friends and I. Spirit was delighted with us. One day long ago my Family was created - my loved ones and I, together with all the other creatures. Spirit was delighted with my family. Spirit, delighted with everything Spirit had made, decided to take a holiday and join us in play. I'd greatly appreciate *any and all* comments, especially from those with backgrounds and concerns different from mine. I'm eager to hear from as many of you as are willing to share your views and on-the-ground insights. TIA, Art Hunkins ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Micropolis-8
I tried it on my VM and there is an issue on the display of the right panel. But there is not a Trac category for Miropolis and when I put it in another category it was closed rather then moved. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Bobby Powers bobbypow...@gmail.comwrote: Great! Anyone have further information on this? I know there had been plans to update the UI to be more sugary, has there been any progress on that? (I'm not in front of a computer with sugar on it at the moment) Bobby On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Sugar Labs Activities activit...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4230 Sugar Platform: 0.82 - 0.84 Download Now: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/26355/micropolis-8.xo Release notes: Have Fun Sugar Labs Activities http://activities.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Keep offline for Browse (offline bookmarks)
This sounds great! I've been trying to get the zip files of books from CAST to work. Will this patch fix it for me? What is the easiest way for me to try it? Is there a VM appliance? Here is a link to the books I'm trying to get to work: http://bookbuilder.cast.org/model.php Thanks! Caroline On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.comwrote: The second point in this ticket http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/971 I've made a patch against the latest Browse, but trac doesn't let me post it (apparently I'm a bot). Besides being able to save pages for offline use, this patch will also allow distribution of HTML content in .zip files that have an 'index.html' inside. Browse will happily open such files (but they may need certain metadata). Patch attached. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Can I create an offline bookmark in Strawberry?
As described in this ticket http://mail.google.com/mail/#search/global+bookmarks/121f792d60553cff I'd like to grab a webpage and have it available for offline use. I'd also like to share it with others. Does this work in the Browse in Strawberry? Thanks, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Keep offline for Browse (offline bookmarks)
Sorry, I missed this email when I sent the other one. A use case I'm working on today is grabbing a video when I'm online, sharing it with students for them to watch at home when I'm offline. Do I need this patch to enable this use case also? On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.comwrote: Forgot the first time, I've looked at a book from that link and it's a .zip file with some html inside, but there's no index.html file. There is a start.html file (which I assume is the entry point), but as it is right now, the user would have to click start.html after the .zip file is loaded. I could add 'start.html' to the list of entry points to look for if it's an important enough use case. Yes please add support for start.html. There a millions of books available on the internet, but I think this is one of the few resources that provides books that would be useful to a dyslectic second grader who reads below grade level. And Sugar is the only platform who believes that that user is important use case for eBooks. ;) Thank you!! 2009/11/9 Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com: This sounds great! I've been trying to get the zip files of books from CAST to work. Will this patch fix it for me? What is the easiest way for me to try it? Is there a VM appliance? Here is a link to the books I'm trying to get to work: http://bookbuilder.cast.org/model.php Thanks! Caroline On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: The second point in this ticket http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/971 I've made a patch against the latest Browse, but trac doesn't let me post it (apparently I'm a bot). Besides being able to save pages for offline use, this patch will also allow distribution of HTML content in .zip files that have an 'index.html' inside. Browse will happily open such files (but they may need certain metadata). Patch attached. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Keep offline for Browse (offline bookmarks)
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.comwrote: This patch won't save video, at least not flash video. In fact, it does exactly what Firefox's 'save complete web page' functionality does. It may save video in html5 video tags for offline use, but I haven't tested that. If it works with Firefox, it should work with this as well. It does seem to work in firefox. For my use case we'll need to be able share a page that some (the teacher) has saved. Here is the scenario in a school in the US. The school district blocks YouTube for example in schools. But YouTube has many valuable clips. The teacher goes to YouTube at home and pics an educational clip. (e.g. Schoolhouse rock) and saves it. The teacher shares/sends the browse/bookmark (terminology unclear to me) Students can then watch the clip at home where they do not have any internet Thanks! Caroline 2009/11/9 Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com: Sorry, I missed this email when I sent the other one. A use case I'm working on today is grabbing a video when I'm online, sharing it with students for them to watch at home when I'm offline. Do I need this patch to enable this use case also? On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: Forgot the first time, I've looked at a book from that link and it's a .zip file with some html inside, but there's no index.html file. There is a start.html file (which I assume is the entry point), but as it is right now, the user would have to click start.html after the .zip file is loaded. I could add 'start.html' to the list of entry points to look for if it's an important enough use case. Yes please add support for start.html. There a millions of books available on the internet, but I think this is one of the few resources that provides books that would be useful to a dyslectic second grader who reads below grade level. And Sugar is the only platform who believes that that user is important use case for eBooks. ;) Thank you!! 2009/11/9 Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com: This sounds great! I've been trying to get the zip files of books from CAST to work. Will this patch fix it for me? What is the easiest way for me to try it? Is there a VM appliance? Here is a link to the books I'm trying to get to work: http://bookbuilder.cast.org/model.php Thanks! Caroline On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: The second point in this ticket http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/971 I've made a patch against the latest Browse, but trac doesn't let me post it (apparently I'm a bot). Besides being able to save pages for offline use, this patch will also allow distribution of HTML content in .zip files that have an 'index.html' inside. Browse will happily open such files (but they may need certain metadata). Patch attached. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] New activity: Arithmetic.
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Hi Caroline, Hi Chris, I had a crazy idea for Arithmetic yesterday. Its a wonderful game for the GPA. Its exactly the kind of practice the students at GPA need. Its collaborative and other people are a huge key to engagement. But as you said it needs a little something more to make it fun. This sounds like a good way to make it more fun, although I suppose it's making the game longer by making the players wait for someone to place a piece in the Physics world before getting a new question; another way would be to replace the numeric scores with icons that race towards a finish line as their owners score points, perhaps. My thinking was that you have to use your time (is is 10 seconds per question?) to both answer the question and do your physics move. Maybe physics moves accumulate for a minute or two but you never wait for a physics move. This is a high pressure timed adreline rush game. The goal is to get students to know their facts so well that they can answer math questions while thinking about the physics game not the math. We want to drill the recall so, for example, when they do algebra and such it takes very few neurons firing to do the arithmetic so they can focus their thinking on the algebra. I also think perhaps this game would not get boring, because you are not thinking about the math facts, you are thinking about what you want to create with Physics and thats interesting even the hundreth time. I feel like a lot of the flash animation games are interesting for a while, but once you;ve seen all the cool animations a few times its boring again. I also would love to not see an emphasis on points or winners or losers. Better performance gives you more physics moves so there is incentive, but its not directly competitive. Unfortunately, I don't have any talent for the UI stuff -- the hope was that by getting the collaboration part of the activity out there, someone with UI skills will adopt making a fun UI for it (and better scoring, and better question generation logic, etc). :) We need a way to store project ideas and allow developers and teachers to collaborate around them. Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball c...@laptop.org One Laptop Per Child -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Fwd: MIT Community Service Work-Study for the winter term
Walter and I have put in general ads for this before and we haven't attracted an MIT student. I figure if at first you don't succeed tweek it. So I'm wondering if we want a mini-winter of code project and put in a more specific ad for a technical project. Is there anyone who would want to mentor? If its something GPA could use we can use GPA funds to pay the Sugar Labs portion. Here are two ideas that I know GPA would be interested in. Literacy Tracking Support. Ms. Mason asked for a program that would help with their literacy tracking. They time students reading and how many errors they make. I think they would like something that makes it easier for students to do this themselves and track it. eBooks with Sound and pictures. We are so close yet not really there in terms of being useful to students who need things read to them. Lots of little issues seem to exist and things need testing, especially on the old hardware. The above is my current brainstorming results. Are there other projects/mentors? -- Forwarded message -- From: Linden McEntire mcent...@mit.edu Date: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:29 PM Subject: MIT Community Service Work-Study for the winter term To: jjohn...@youthbuild.org, kchud...@wightfoundation.org, lkeeb...@wediko.org, roc...@u.washington.edu, cmil...@typp.org, cmcspar...@tutorsforall.org, ec...@trinityinspires.org, gle...@town.ipswitch.ma.us, lded...@touchofunderstanding.org, le...@thedesignery.org, je...@teenvoices.com, mschwa...@teenlifeboston.com, mcarm...@tcbinc.org, cme...@sugarlabs.org, jsanti...@ssbx.org, esilberst...@socialinnovationforum.org, rbar...@seedco.org, volunt...@scrapexchange.org, a...@scifair.com, d...@rightquestion.org, a...@reasoningmind.org, re...@prx.org, klemo...@prospecthillacademy.org, maurie.clipper...@ppl-inc.org, ajo...@pomfretschool.org, tct...@partners.org, ejc...@nycap.rr.com, mda...@newsector.org, t...@madison-park.org, kjohn...@madison-park.org, gproa...@lowellma.gov, kgr...@kidsclub.org, i...@hulllifesavingmuseum.org, lid...@hotmail.com, dbash...@heartlandfamilyservice.org, so...@grubstreet.org, warre...@gmail.com, gabriel.fish...@gmail.com, ltradom...@gmail.com, kennebeclandtr...@gmail.com, suepna...@gmail.com, samuelrotenb...@gmail.com, lkayw...@fssnf.org, ctay...@forsyth.org, ptravelst...@fifthave.org, jacobkmand...@elderhomeowners.org, susan.ch...@dc.gov, direc...@dasep.org, san...@communitylandtrust.net, kdme...@comcast.net, nicole.freedman@cityofboston.gov, af...@cambridgemontessori.org, sken...@cambridgema.gov, ele...@cambridgema.gov, bo...@bomee.com, c...@bilumi.org, tfe...@bbsvc.org, timot...@accessboston.org Dear community partner, Do you have any projects you never seem to have time to tackle? (I know I do!) Consider hiring a MIT Community Service Work-Study student during winter term (called IAP on campus), which runs from January 4th to 29th. While this is a short period of time, students are able to work up to 40 hours a week anywhere around the country because they will not be taking regular classes. A long neglected project might be the perfect thing for a student to complete during this month. Or if you could use a short-term student for a long term job you'd like to post, just let me know. Community Service Work-Study allows nonprofits, schools, and government agencies to hire student workers with a 75% discount on their wages through the Federal work-study program. I'll be holding an information session for interested students on November 16, so please send me an email in the next three weeks if you are interested in advertising a job or go ahead and post by clicking here http://mit.edu/sfs/jobs/post_a_job.html! Thank you, Linden *Linden McEntire* Community Employment Coordinator MIT Public Service Center 77 Massachusetts Avenue, W20-500g Cambridge, MA 02139 Phone: 617.253.8065 Fax: 617.258.9357 Email: mcent...@mit.edu Web: http://web.mit.edu/mitpsc * * -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] New activity: Arithmetic.
Hi Chris, I had a crazy idea for Arithmetic yesterday. Its a wonderful game for the GPA. Its exactly the kind of practice the students at GPA need. Its collaborative and other people are a huge key to engagement. But as you said it needs a little something more to make it fun. This may not be technically easy but here is my idea. Combine it with Physics. Everytime you get an answer right you earn a move in Physics. You get to put down a block or make a new shape or grab. Super cool would be collaborative where everyone is working in the same world either trying to build something together or just knocking each other stuff around. Scoring: with this we no longer need explicit scoring. I think scoring can be discouraging if you are always the worst one in your class or you just have brain that is slow to retrieve math facts. However, I think your moves should expire, so if you are fast you have an advantage, you have more time to think about and make your physics moves. I think the goal is to encourage the students to speed up their retrieval, but still have it be fun no matter where you are right now. Doing well and playing fast gives you advantages that are fun, but doesn't set up a strict, I win, you lose dynamic. Is a shared physics world among all the contestants possible? It might be as good or better for some personality types if everyone had their own world. Especially if you could see a picture of the other people's worlds. A feature request is to save at least a picture of the world you create to the Journal so we can use it in a Portfolio. I created this roller coaster by knowing my multiplication facts on hard On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Hi, Over the last few Sunday afternoons, Ben Schwartz, Michael Stone and I have been hacking on a new activity. It's a collaborative arithmetic quiz, and extensively uses Ben's groupthink collaboration module. Here's a link to a bundle: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/latest/4204/addon-4204-latest.xo http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4204 The game tries to show all the participants the same questions at the same time, gives an ongoing scoreboard of how many questions each participant has answered correctly, and measures the amount of time it takes everyone to answer each question. It also lets the group choose which of addition, subtraction, multiplication and division their game should use, and how hard the questions should be. We think it's pretty fun already, but it still needs plenty of work, and we'd love to have help with it. Some obvious next steps are: * Artwork! We haven't spent any time making it pretty. If someone wants to go ahead and rip everything apart and put it back together in a way that actually looks attractive, that would be awesome. * Looks like I messed up the logo in Inkscape, and it doesn't have the correct stroke_color references. * It crashes when resumed, as opposed to launched with Start. Haven't looked into that yet. * Gettextification and translations. * An algorithm for scoring that depends on how quickly an answer is given. (One idea could be that you get 9 points if you answer with 9 seconds left, down to 1 point for answering with 1 second left.) * A natural end to each round, perhaps involving giving out medals (just as Typing Turtle does) for achievement to the participants. * There may still be cases where it shows entirely different questions to the participants, instead of everyone seeing the same ones, and we'd like to know about that so we can fix it. If anyone's in a position to get feedback from kids on whether playing this collaboratively is fun, and what might make it more fun, that'd be really good to hear. We'd welcome everyone's changes to the activity; we can always back out a change if it needs to be discussed more, so don't be shy about pushing changes to a branch or asking for direct commit access. (If there's some way to allow anyone with an SL gitorious account to commit directly, that would be an ideal setup.) The GIT tree contains groupthink referenced as a submodule, so to check it out: git clone git://git.sugarlabs.org/arithmetic/mainline.gitArithmetic.activity cd Arithmetic.activity git submodule init git submodule update Thanks! - Chris. -- Chris Ball c...@laptop.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Deducto and Color Deducto activities - creating your own game mechanism
Hi, This is cool thanks! Is there a way to lower the floor? Is there a version of this game that a 6 year old could have easy success with that would help ramp it up? Suzanne, the 4th grade teacher at the GPA, has the students play a Guess my rule game with shapes. For example, All right angles Only Triangles, Two sides the same. I think this is a separate game but I thought I'd mention it as its somewhat similar. Do we have a place to put game ideas so programmers could pick them up if they want a project? Thanks, Caroline On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Manusheel Gupta m...@laptop.org wrote: Dan, Ashita has been working on a user guide for create your own game mechanism for Deducto and Color Deducto activities. The guide is not yet complete and needs a flow chart, but should be good enough to walk you through this feature. Please find it attached along with this e-mail. On a separate note, this feature is open to development, and we will see more enhancements soon. Regards, Manu -- Forwarded message -- From: Ashita Dadlani ash...@seeta.in Date: Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:34 AM Subject: revised color deducto documentation To: Manusheel Gupta m...@seeta.in, -- Ashita Dadlani Software Engineer, Products and Services Software for Education, Entertainment and Training Activities http://seeta.in ___ Devel mailing list de...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:06 AM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.orgwrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I'd like to put my designer hat on for a minute and offer an alternative to Bernie/Michael's patch and the current behavior: Any time the mouse hovers over a part of the screen with a delayed action, that part must immediately highlight itself. With the frame, that would be a 1px rectangle around the screen. With icons, this could be a border rectangle. An even nicer option might be to expand highlight itself to hint at what it's going to do. For example, an icon with a delayed menu could highlight itself and display a little down arrow (similar to the arrows in the new toolbars). With feedback/mockups from the design team I'd be happy to attempt this patch. I agree with Wade here -- I think the problem is not the delayed menus themselves, but that kids are not *discovering* that right-click can eliminate the delay. How are they supposed to discover that? Perhaps some thought along those lines would help. I myself found that I often waited for the delayed menu, even though I knew about right-click, because it was easier. That seems to be my choice and preference, not a priori a bad thing (even though an observer might think it a flaw). I think that I did this less often when the delay was increased, but now we're relying on imperfect memory. I agree. Even if I am right there and say right click and they have done it before so I know its discovered, its hard for the child, and I'm working with 4th graders, they are at the older end of our age range. I think its not natural/developmentally there skill for our users. Right click is also hard on a macbook with only one mouse and I think its also hard in various environments for disabilities. Of course, seeing a small child start to swear is a good indication that the user is frustrated and has not discovered any means to resolve their frustration. (Even a complexity slider has to be discoverable!) --scott ps. I've found the discussion of ideas here much more interesting than the finger-pointing. Attempts to shift responsibility (it's my patch, YOU have to prove that it's wrong -vs- it's my design, YOU have to prove that it's wrong) are productive/necessary to some degree, but a family matter you guys should take out back somewhere to hash out. We all should (IMHO) be listening much more to Daniel Drake, who seems to have the most practical experience guiding his intuitions. (Caroline, too, but I haven't her offer as specific an opinion on the issue.) pps. Perhaps this thread should have been started as a discussion of design (with working code to demonstrate), not as, here's a patch, now if you value contributors you should apply it. -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] UI thoughts from today's session at the GPA
The Journal Icon in an activity should open the dialog box for feedback. The Stop Icon should not. Resume by default should happen if the activity is already open. Start new should be the default if there is no instance of that activity already open. It was very confusing and distracting to have to clear out previous work, from 2 weeks ago, out of turtle art before they started on today's assignment. In Turtle Art the Save a Snapshot icon should be the Eye cause it saves an image right? It looks too much like save to Journal right now. -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Should we care about non readers and kids with motor skill issues? was - Re: RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good
Perhaps. What would you define as the ailment, yourself? The primary intent was to encourage use of a direct interaction model, in which palettes we're supposed to play a big role. When it turned out that young kids, who didn't read, and who didn't have motor skills for selecting form the palettes, we aimed to reduce accidental invocation of them without entirely eliminating discovery by increasing the delay. Many kids have motor skills, and the ones that don't initially are remarkably good (being kids) at developing motor skills that they don't yet have. Many kids also read. In fact, let's cut into some real deep philosophy stuff here... True. But all kids matter. Including the nonreaders, the ones going to schools that are not taught in their native language, the ones for whom reading is a struggle, the dyslectics. Also I really disagree about the developing motor skills. I think developing motor skills is a developmental thing that goes at different paces. I see kids that can get the concepts of Sugar but who struggle with clicking the blocks together in Turtle Art. I think they are perfectly normal kids who will eventually have perfectly adequate motor skills for normal computing. Providing them with a system that is as easy as possible for them while those motor skills are developing should be one of our missions. The idea that the XO laptop is mainly for kids who can't read is completely bogus. Now, maybe you're thinking of other children when you say this, but I prefer to first consider the main existing userbase. Laptops which have Sugar installed on them are primarily located in schools and are used for education. It is kind of ridiculous to say Well, you don't actually need to know how to read to use the laptops, so we should make the interface not require reading. when the truth is that, for most activities that have any educational merit, you DO need to read and you need to read things significantly more complicated than activity names. Most of the people who use Sugar for most of the time WILL know how to read. I disagree on this too. I think there a host of activities that nonreaders could use in Sugar. Paint, Colors, Jingsaw, Flipsticks, Write (writing a great way to learn to read), speak, many GCompris Games, Calculate, books that are read to you, Browse if you share a favorited website. In fact if you share a started activity then you further expand the number of things a nonreader could do. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Memorize 33 is buggy - what should I do?
I doubt this is a SoaS only problem but I haven't tested it on an XO Tickets - 1055, 1503 1503 is a total blocker for using Memorize and 1055 is going to give me hell in the field trying to get kids not clear that inviting face. Maybe revert a.sl.o to a previous version? I'm going in to work on the Sticks tomorrow afternoon and I'm going to have to boot and fuss with each one, which will be hours of work, so it would be great to do as much as I can at once. If reverting seems like the right choice it would be great if I could have it for tomorrow. Thanks! Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 03:40, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: El Mon, 12-10-2009 a las 22:36 -0400, Bernie Innocenti escribió: Hello, Michael just passed by the Acetarium and, since the dinner was late, we found the time to test and review his latest prototype^W patch. I'm loving how the menus suddenly are now snappy and responsive. Please, test it yourself and report back. If we like this change, I think we should go on and also kill the code that this patch makes redundant. (please, let's not add another configurable knob!) BTW, Michael and I have a small disagreement on how a maintainer should react to the present patch. From a purely functional PoV, this patch is short, correct and low impact. Yeah, but... who's ever going to clean up after it if we do not demand the cleanup to be merged atomically with the patch that opens the need for it? Once the patch is in, the maintainer would no longer have a stick to brandish while saying now eat your veggies!. (Michael replies: This is a flawed position because it leads to absurd conclusions. More specifically, it actively discourages the current contributor from submitting more patches by denying the satisfaction of seeing their existing patch merged, delays the deferral of a correct and believable patch that introduces behavior you yourself describe as 'desirable' and, last but not least, misses an opportunity to involve inexperienced contributors by providing appropriate on-ramp bugs like the proposed refactoring.) I'm more concerned about developers proposing big user experience changes because they feel it's better. Before I look at the patch I would like to know if there's agreement from people close to our users that this behavior change is desired. How can we get that? People could take both versions to a group of kids and video how it goes. Thanks, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.orgwrote: El Wed, 14-10-2009 a las 12:15 -0400, Caroline Meeks escribió: People could take both versions to a group of kids and video how it goes. When are you going to be at the GPA? Next time I could come along, apply the patch before the kids start using the machines, and then we could interview them at the end of the day about their experience. Or -- if we were evil enough -- we could patch only half of the stations and see which group performs better ;-) they all have their own sticks so that might not be quite so easy. Also I don't want to do it during classroom time. We hope to start an afterschool session on Sugar on Fridays in a couple of weeks. Want to help? I think once we've done that for a few times we might be able to ask to borrow some kids who have yet to use Sugar some afternoon when they are in after-school. Give half of them one kind of stick and half another in the GPA computer lab. Realistically, I think it will be about a month before I could set that up, just in terms of how many new requests I can give the school at once. There is also a club at Harvard using XOs in a Boston after school program. I'm not sure where they are in their process but they might be able to provide a test bed on XOs. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Conozco Uruguay-7
I just got a 404 error when I tried to download this onto a Sugar VM from a.sl.o On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Sugar Labs Activities activit...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4199 Sugar Platform: from 0.82 to 0.86 Download Now: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/version/29277 Release notes: Reviewer comments: This request has been approved. Sugar Labs Activities http://activities.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] New Sugar theme for Activity Library
Nice! Here is a layout issue on Safari on a mac: http://screencast.com/t/Fyu8zoqjzfyu On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:25 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: Hi all, Josh Williams finished new Sugar theme for Activity Library(ASLO), please test it from [1]. Thanks Josh, it looks awesome. In several days ASLO code base will be rebased to last AMO, (it should give us new AMO features like tagging and new developers UI) and new theme will appear on the main site. [1] http://activities-devel.sugarlabs.org/ -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Where should we put our mixture of bugs, feature requests and misunderstandings as we develop curriculum
Also, as a developer I would need to see a list of the features and bugs most requested by deployments, and which deployments need them. It will be also useful when asking for help and recruiting more volunteers. Yes, exactly. We need a way for individuals to contribute individually to this. We need a system that is tolerant of bad reports, supports peer-to-peer problem solving, and creates a pattern of data and feedback that can be fed back upstream. I'm just not sure how to create this yet, if you have ideas on implementation please let me know. I am leaning towards Launchpad and I also will talk to Adam Holt about his experiences and how we can work with the support gang. Regards, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Where should we put our mixture of bugs, feature requests and misunderstandings as we develop curriculum
As I work with educators to create and write up curriculum we will discover problems. They will be a mixture of Sugar, Activities, SoaS and confusion. There are a bunch of ways we could deal with it. 1. Everything goes into Launchpad soas answers and we sort it out from there. 2. Everything is first posted to IAEP, discussed and sorted out and then put into Dev, Launchpad soas or into a wiki page somewhere or just lost in the mailing list archives 3. Everyone tells me everything and I try to decide where to put it which has obvious problems 4. Everything is put into Trac For example todays issues - Record is not recording audio - probably hardware SoaS issue. - Colors journal entries are not showing up as an image so I can't import it into another program like Cartoon Builder. - Cartoon builder is cool, I want to make my own characters but it seems really hard in Sugar to draw a bit, save, draw a bit more, save under a new name, how can I do that more easily. - I'd like to save a figure out of FlipSticks and put him into cartoon builder. Is there a way to save a flipstick image? How do we capture and track the issues, especially since we know we don't have the resources to solve them all immediately. Thanks, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] High School Programmer Volunteer?
I have a volunteer high school student who needs to do community service for school. He's done a bit of python and would like to help us with a remote programming type task. Does anyone want to mentor? This might be a nice thing for a slightly more experienced person also new to the project or an activity maintainer who is feeling short on time but might have time to guide and check someone's work? I don't know the students' skill level, perhaps if there is a mentor we could set up a trial period so if he is not up to the right level there is a way out of the relationship. Thanks, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Adventures with GPA Macbooks
Thanks Martin, Does that give us any hint about whats happening? How is that PRAM/PROM normally set? Maybe we need to go change the default somewhere? On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Problems seem to be a good bet! What the golly gosh jimminy crippers is going on?!? Why does it work once and not again? What is linux doing that is keeping MacOSX from booting even after all the linux medium is removed? The macs have a funny BIOS that has a persistent memory. So it will remember where you booted from, and a few other things. If this BIOS gets confused and stores its confusion in persistent mem, you get exactly what you are seeing. Removing the batteries resets this memory. In Mac parlance, resetting this memory is known as resetting the PRAM (or maybe PROM). There is a key combination -- different between mac models -- that does this. Add the exact model of your mac to the search below... http://www.google.be/search?q=resetting+pram+mac this is a good example http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1379 hth, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Ubuntu compatibility test stick
ok lets try to get Skype working tonight. thanks On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, if the task is simple and clear enough, motivated teachers and parents will try to do that I think. And even slightly geeky people will be able to do it no problem... Sean On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: [Dropped out soas@ because I don't think I can post there] On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 01:57:49PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: And of course, with no network, no phoning That's an advantage of Canonical using a USB stick to do it: You can just store it on the stick and retrieve all logs after the show. For decentralized testing an upload form explaining how to locate the USB stick (mount point / drive letter) and the file on it (file name) might do the trick. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJKwKogAAoJELpz82VMF3Darn8IALAPhqdTLPOsx9ELMLuSNzdD VltIKoydIeKkmjQPca7yLbH7EnmKsS1yX4m2QRP3rCFTwcQ8bi3Opmb0e4ncr1rg Rt52ByGsZ7f4BfXhqV3bV3TMHa3SmGuUIKiBBXIWp9d96FrGcyjj6qr9CV8lh4TM h1rhhalrg/4PKpp/wIcTsN3NhFCRz0Sn5pHujgYcVdigjz+L7WGNs0DRZHo1+d3z /zM20ic4cTRVxu+sti03oHMBBeNodvBjiuvJQtJKblUH6zxQ8tShAgTaQk6BCxUi cxWV1NYrfHoaaEE+06pa6QJCy07vMSn6kQety6UBp8g+xnXrdKQVkrRRGaMWzF4= =KlSO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] A Virtual Box solution that works with Sticks
Hi, I'm trying to understand this. Is it possible to use the booting method Bill found, where we boot one kernal in Virtual Box, then that Linux mounts the USB and then it boots the Sugar kernal on the stick? On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.comwrote: Hi Dave, On 24 Sep 2009, at 01:55, Dave Bauer wrote: Last I checked virtualbox could not boot from USB on a Mac. This may have changed in a more recent version. Yep correct, that is still the case**. But, we were not talking about booting USB. Just mounting it and using the data-store from there, tweaking a VM for deployment 'should' be small change. This of course runs into all the 'what version of Sugar is installed in the VM' vs. 'what version of data-store is installed on the stick' but for a small deployment with control over both, and with specific HW needs, I don't see this as an issue. Additionally, if some data-store validation checks could be put in place I could even see this being a very positive feature for Soas and/ or upstream Sugar; an ideal little solvable issue for the two to resolve in a way that would benefit any deployments with old or not currently compatible hardware (where either the OS or a VM has to be run from the physical machine). ** unless you put the whole damn vdi on the stick and forgo the idea of booting the stick independently as a normal OS, though there could be room to investigate booting of a small partition with a reliable host OS that did nothing but dive right into the VM for those cases. Seems doable, but scary. Would much rather spend effort in finding a way to boot a USB directly – likely requires providing a Mac only image, though they can quite happily boot from USB, they just require correct boot formats (EFI for Intel Macs) but current Linux's seems well behind that curve. Most other HW manufacturers are still on old BIOS set-ups, Macs can support this for booting, Boot Camp does just this, but not for booting from USB devices unfortunately. Regards, --Gary Dave On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Bill, On 24 Sep 2009, at 00:17, Bill Bogstad wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Sure, you could just link the ~/default/datastore directory on the VM to the matching location on the stick. I'm not sure how the pretty way to do this would be (likely at this moment in time would be just tweaking the VMs to assume the stick was there). Pop stick in, then run the VM would be the workflow once set-up. From a future stand point, you'd likely want to push upstream for a feature where Sugar checked for valid (and correct version) data-stores on start-up (perhaps with a UI if more than one valid data-store was found), so any external media device, or perhaps even mounted network volume could become the default data-store for that session. Could you clarify what you are suggesting? Most VMs (including VirtualBox) typically use large files within the host environment to provide the contents of virtual disks to the OS running under virtualization. By default VirtualBox uses a format that dynamically allocates in the real filesystem as the guest OS actually writes to the virtual disk. I don't think this file is going to be directly compatible with any file (or filesystem image) that SoaS is storing on a USB stick. If you were thinking of something else, please let me know. Yes, I routinely use the Shared Folders feature for VirtualBox on the Mac :-) Every thing Sugar flavour I work on resides there for easy access between different VMs. VirtualBox treats this as a device (after installing guest additions) so after a reboot I run: sudo mount -o uid=500 -t vboxsf name_you_give_share name_of_intended_mount_point ...which should should do the trick. Also be aware that you need to tell VirtualBox it's allowed to use USB, I think it defaults to allow, but you can also filter for named devices if that makes more sense in a deployment. I would also want to sanity check the shut down process to make sure we didn't bork users sticks at the end of a session. Ping if you'd like to work this through, should be easy enough for me to set up a test cycle here if you think this is valuable. Regards, --Gary ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax
[Sugar-devel] Adventures with GPA Macbooks
We worked with the 4th graders in the computer lab today. The computer lab is not working well for us this year. Its booked solid so its hard to get time. More computers are broken so there will not always be enough for everyone to have one. Internet is mysteriously broken on Sugar. The Computer teacher was not happy that the machines needed to get rebooted to Windows when the next class came in. We can't use the projector we used this summer and its hard to get to the screen which is stored in the now always busy auditorium. etc. Bottom line is we'll get a lot farther if we can use the macbook laptop cart. Anurag and I spent a couple hours trying things today. The first time we tried to boot with the CD and the USB it went through 4 lines of looking for USB ports. Then assumine drive cache then it booted! All seemed ok but the mouse did not work. We tried again and it wouldn't go past the first isolink line. We did not get to the 1 second to start splash screen. The we tried to boot back to Mac OSX. We got a grey forbidden sign. In verbose mode it had errors about lo0oking for USB and root. We tried safe mode. We tried holding down x to force OSX boot. Finally we took out the battery and it booted back to OSX. Bravely we tried again with the CD and USB. We got the iso linux line and teh blue splash screen. But then not responding and it stopped. When we tried to boot back into OSX it was grey forbidden sign again. Removing the battery again fixed this. Next we tried a Puppy CD. It failed to boot, got stuck at loading kernal modules Next we tried the Sugar CD. We got to the green screen asking about language but the keyboard did not work so we can t get any farther. Note that when we got the USB to boot earlier the keyboard did work, it was the mouse that didn't work. It seems like there is an issue finding the USB on these macs and the Linux system seems to leave the computer in a bad state. We have never seen this on any other MacBooks or iMacs. I think the next thing i want to try is a CD version of Bill's Floppy boot. It works differently doing a full linux boot then booting another kernal on the USB. We have some screenshots, including the macbook hardware, vidoes etc. we can add later today. Any clues welcome. -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] A Virtual Box solution that works with Sticks
The current status of the GPA is: The 4th grade classroom has a bank of 6 machines that can boot Sugar on a Stick. The 4th grade specialist has one used laptop that can boot Sugar on a Stick. Access to the PCs in the computer lab is problematic and likely not to happen very much. There are two laptop carts of 25 bought last year Macbooks but booting Sugar on a Stick is problematic. See https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+question/81566 for gory details. The teachers are enthusiastic! The goal is to be able to use the classroom bank of computers for Center Work that is time in the day when students break into groups and work on different things in different parts of the room. Sugar would become one center. We also want to be able to do whole class instruction by signing out a laptop cart of Macbooks. We have sufficient privileges to install Virtual Box on the laptop cart Macbooks. Can anyone think of way to use Virtual Box that would allow students to use the info on their sticks so they can at another point in time use a classroom computer and not always need to use the same MacBook? Thanks, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS
I went to a talk at the Hauser Nonprofit Institute at Harvard yesterday. Someone asked a question the director, who teachers nonprofit administration, about why they choose the 5 areas they focused on. he said: Some people think the opposite of Strategic Management is bad management. Actually its Opportunistic Management. You want to manage your organization somewhere on the continuum between being completely opportunistic and completely strategic. Our strategic vision is strong. My version of it is: Sugar everywhere on everything for all kids in the world 5 to 12 years old. Free, Open and at the lowest Total Cost of Ownership possible. I love Sugar on a Stick as a promising way to do that. But my position as a Slobs candidate is that Sugar Labs has a lot of potential opportunity that seems to be right outside our door. I think we should be open to seeing what knocks when. I agree with Daniel's question. Sebastian, what is your theory of change here? What do you think we should do and why does doing it and doing it now as an official strategic decision get us closer to having all the world's children use Sugar? On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: 2009/9/16 Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org: 2009/9/16 Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com: Let me rephrase again, to make things clear. I'd love to hear an official answer on this. Soon. Is the current SoaS going to be the primary way Sugar Labs distributes a Sugar-centric GNU/Linux distribution? and to answer a question with a question: how does the answer to this affect your work? I can't immediately see its importance. Daniel ___ SLOBs mailing list sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 16:24, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: 2009/9/16 Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com: Let me rephrase again, to make things clear. I'd love to hear an official answer on this. Soon. Is the current SoaS going to be the primary way Sugar Labs distributes a Sugar-centric GNU/Linux distribution? Isn't there a wider question first? the one that asks if Sugar Labs is actually interested in being a distributor rather than just an upstream. I raised that question in my recent discussion and my feeling is that the responses basically said well we should really just focus on being an upstream since we already are overworked there, but actually Sugar Labs is just a platform where everyone interested in Sugar can get together and run Sugar-related projects Based on that, I'd say that SoaS is a fine project to sit under Sugar Labs but there shouldn't be a primary way of getting Sugar. Like other upstream projects, Sugar Labs should work with multiple downstreams (treating them equally) in order to achieve wide adoption of the software. That matches quite well my personal point of view. I'm just a bit concerned that the marketing team might need something like SoaS as part of their job to make Sugar widely known. But I'm just guessing here... I think its also vitally important to getting Sugar tried in a wide number of classrooms and schools. As far as educators are concerned we don't really have a product till its been used in a school for at least a year, and hopefully has official studies and data showing it improves performance. This will take years. Commercial products do that with millions of dollars of venture capital. We don't have that. We have you. We have ourselves and our community and the people out there in the world who believe in our mission if they choose to join us. Our goal is to work together to have Sugar be better then the commercial alternative, more cost effective for learning, and free as in freedom, and to have it stand up in a school board meeting on its pedagogical merits. That said, SoaS is very important for me as an upstream Sugar developer because before we had it, people had to install a linux distro or get an XO to try or test Sugar. So I have a big interest in that SoaS work continue forward, in SLs if needed. Regards, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Soas on legacy PC's
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote: I've done considerable testing of SoaS Strawberry on legacy PC's: 1 Pentium II laptop, and 3 Pentium III desktops. First of all, Caroline was correct about CD and floppy boot assists; I was wrong. It takes *at most* a minute more to boot from a floppy. Occasionally, the floppy is even a bit faster. (I set timeout = 0 on my floppy assists.) All these systems have non-bootable USB ports, but do boot from either CD or floppy. My Pentium II (IBM ThinkPad, 233MHz) is a complete disaster either way. Anywhere from 8-9+ minutes to boot up. Won't make it through an Activity. More than 2 minutes to instigate an Activity from its icon. Bottom line: don't even consider Pentium II's. The Pentium III's included one running at 500MHz and two at 1GHz. The former limped along, barely useable (an IBM Aptiva). Boot times for the Aptiva = 4.5 to 5.5 minutes. Kids would get highly frustrated by the pokey Activity runs. Of the 1GHz machines (a Dell Inspiron and an HP), the Dell did somewhat better. Boot times = 3-4 minutes for the Dell, 4-5+ for the HP. Activity running was adequate, if a bit sluggish. I certainly understand Caroline's limiting her donations to Pentium IV's. They run SoaS satisfactorily - similar to the native XO. (Native XO is noticeably faster than SoaS on the XO.) I do think, however, higher end (i.e., 1GHz) Pentium III's would work OK with SoaS where necessary. We do a Pentium III 800 MHz in the classroom. Scott added memory to it and that seemed to help quite a bit. I'm waiting to see if it turns out to work ok or be the computer the kids fight not to get. One disappointment: two of the three Pentium III's did not have their on-board audio recognized by SoaS: they were silent (though their sound works fine in Windows). Only the Dell played - well, and without sonic stutter. This potential lack of audio would seem a real problem for SoaS. It's certainly a major issue for my music Activity. Does that mean you got audio to work well on other systems? Have you been following the audio work? I've seen a lot of emails go by and some of them seemed optimistic so I'm hoping things might be working soon. So far I;ve not even been putting Tam Tam on the sticks because audo has not been reliable at all. Which I agree is a very big disappointment. The Tam Tam suite is wonderful! Thanks for your help with this. Anurag is going to try to compile a list, probably in a google doc, of what hardware we have and what performance time we are getting and then we'll also record is kids favor or avoid it. Maybe you can add to this list. It would be good to be able to give deployments a clear idea of what is good enough. Cheers, Caroline Art Hunkins - Original Message - *From:* Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com *To:* Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu *Cc:* iaep i...@lists.sugarlabs.org ; Sugar-dev Develsugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org ; Walter Benderwalter.ben...@gmail.com *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 6:10 PM *Subject:* Re: [Sugar-devel] Bill Bogstad's floppy disk boot (Soas) some idea of what is going on. I've tested CD helper vs. floppy helper on Pentium III generation computer. On these, floppies take *way* longer than CD's: 5 minutes (minimum) to 1 (actually, more like 10:2). Even though boot times are significant, the actual *Activity* executions are satisfactory (though hardly peppy). Overall performance is similar to the XO-1. Wow, thats very different then the results I've gotten. I found that it took a minute for the floppy to boot, then it starts the USB boot which takes the same amount of time as it does without the floppy. Thus we add about a minute. I wonder what the difference is. Art Hunkins - Original Message - *From:* Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com *To:* Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu *Cc:* Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com ; community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org ; iaep i...@lists.sugarlabs.org ; Sugar-dev Devel sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 10:48 AM *Subject:* Re: [Sugar-devel] Bill Bogstad's floppy disk boot (Soas) I tested this on the GPA computer lab computers. It takes about 1 more minute (4.5 vs 3.5) to boot. I think that it will take more then a minute on average to give all the students CDs, have them open the CD drawer, turn off the computer, turn it on again and collect all the CD at the end of class so that the next class boots into Windows. My plan is the floppies can just live in the machines, not pushed in all the way. The current version requires the user to press enter 1 minute into the process. Can we get a version that we just start the boot, then goto the rug for our lesson and 4.5 minutes later the machines are booted? Thanks! On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote
[Sugar-devel] Beta Test of Sugar on a Stick Backup Service.
I'd like to announce to just the sugar development list at this point. We are ready for the first tests of backup and restore on a Sugar Stick. We will be using this code for both Sugaronastick.com and the GPA but each will point to a different XS server so we can have GPA XS be school people only. To test click Get Sugar at www.sugaronastick.com We have named this Spin Strawberry Tree as its done by Solution Grove based on the Strawberry Release. If your curious there is such a thing as a Strawberry Tree - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Tree Beta Testers who are also on the Sugar Devel list will get free services from sugaronastick.com for the life of the service and 5 coupon codes for a year of free service to give to your friends once we start charging and have implemented coupon process. We are restricting the beta to Sugar Devel people for now because the instructions are probably still too rough and this is our first tests. Please email your feedback! Thank you! -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Beta Test of Sugar on a Stick Backup Service.
opps! Fixed. Thanks Shovel Ready Ed is in fact tangentially related. Its a single sign-on integration of Moodle, ELGG and LAMS, all open source software for education. Moodle you guys know, ELGG is used for ePortfololios and LAMS is Learning Activity Management. The target market in Middle school and up. We are looking for beta testers on the VM appliance. Plus its named MEL so its got to be awesome! ;) www.shovelreadyed.com. Thanks! Caroline On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 14:04, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.comwrote: To test click Get Sugar at www.sugaronastick.com http://www.sugaronastick.com/ and http://sugaronastick.com/ point to different websites. The first doesn't even seem to be tangentially related to sugar. -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Beta Test of Sugar on a Stick Backup Service.
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.comwrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 02:04:44PM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: To test click Get Sugar at www.sugaronastick.com We have named this Spin Strawberry Tree as its done by Solution Grove based on the Strawberry Release. [...] Please email your feedback! Can we look at the code anywhere? I think if you download it its all there right? Nothing magic or proprietary we just put in the SoaS registration code that won't be out till Blueberry into Strawberry and preset the network to point to our XS. Thank you! Thanks for letting us know about this. Good luck. Martin -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Bill Bogstad's floppy disk boot (Soas)
I tested this on the GPA computer lab computers. It takes about 1 more minute (4.5 vs 3.5) to boot. I think that it will take more then a minute on average to give all the students CDs, have them open the CD drawer, turn off the computer, turn it on again and collect all the CD at the end of class so that the next class boots into Windows. My plan is the floppies can just live in the machines, not pushed in all the way. The current version requires the user to press enter 1 minute into the process. Can we get a version that we just start the boot, then goto the rug for our lesson and 4.5 minutes later the machines are booted? Thanks! On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote: With regard to Bill Bogstad's floppy boot disk project for SoaS: it works flawlessly for me. (I've tried it successfully on both an older Windows laptop and desktop - vintages: Pentium II/III.) I've one suggestion for Bill: for use by children, I'd make everything as automatic as possible. Either delete the display where the user needs to make a choice (it's *way* technical and *I* didn't know what to do), or put a (10?) auto-timer on it so that it goes on through (the usual way) without user intervention. For Windows people: I suggest creating the boot disk with RAWriteWin. It's simple, user-friendly and efficient. Great job, Bill. Art Hunkins - Original Message - From: Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com To: community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org Cc: iaep i...@lists.sugarlabs.org; Sugar-dev Devel sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:55 AM Subject: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-09-11 === Sugar Digest === 7. Bill Bogstad has been working on a floppy boot disk for Sugar on a Stick. See http://people.sugarlabs.org/~bogstad/floppy/ for more details. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Bill Bogstad's floppy disk boot (Soas)
some idea of what is going on. I've tested CD helper vs. floppy helper on Pentium III generation computer. On these, floppies take *way* longer than CD's: 5 minutes (minimum) to 1 (actually, more like 10:2). Even though boot times are significant, the actual *Activity* executions are satisfactory (though hardly peppy). Overall performance is similar to the XO-1. Wow, thats very different then the results I've gotten. I found that it took a minute for the floppy to boot, then it starts the USB boot which takes the same amount of time as it does without the floppy. Thus we add about a minute. I wonder what the difference is. Art Hunkins - Original Message - *From:* Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com *To:* Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu *Cc:* Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com ; community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org ; iaep i...@lists.sugarlabs.org ; Sugar-dev Devel sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 10:48 AM *Subject:* Re: [Sugar-devel] Bill Bogstad's floppy disk boot (Soas) I tested this on the GPA computer lab computers. It takes about 1 more minute (4.5 vs 3.5) to boot. I think that it will take more then a minute on average to give all the students CDs, have them open the CD drawer, turn off the computer, turn it on again and collect all the CD at the end of class so that the next class boots into Windows. My plan is the floppies can just live in the machines, not pushed in all the way. The current version requires the user to press enter 1 minute into the process. Can we get a version that we just start the boot, then goto the rug for our lesson and 4.5 minutes later the machines are booted? Thanks! On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote: With regard to Bill Bogstad's floppy boot disk project for SoaS: it works flawlessly for me. (I've tried it successfully on both an older Windows laptop and desktop - vintages: Pentium II/III.) I've one suggestion for Bill: for use by children, I'd make everything as automatic as possible. Either delete the display where the user needs to make a choice (it's *way* technical and *I* didn't know what to do), or put a (10?) auto-timer on it so that it goes on through (the usual way) without user intervention. For Windows people: I suggest creating the boot disk with RAWriteWin. It's simple, user-friendly and efficient. Great job, Bill. Art Hunkins - Original Message - From: Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com To: community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org Cc: iaep i...@lists.sugarlabs.org; Sugar-dev Devel sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:55 AM Subject: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-09-11 === Sugar Digest === 7. Bill Bogstad has been working on a floppy boot disk for Sugar on a Stick. See http://people.sugarlabs.org/~bogstad/floppy/http://people.sugarlabs.org/%7Ebogstad/floppy/for more details. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming
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[Sugar-devel] Answering teacher and other users questions on Launchpad
I worked with teachers today at GPA. School starts tomorrow. I pointed one of the teachers to Launchpad to ask questions. I did this rather then IAEP because I'd like to build up a FAQ set of answers that is automatically searched. And I had to pick one of the many mediums we had and at that moment in time I picked Launchpad I do think its the direction we are going although I know no decision has been made. The good news is the teacher had no problem with the UI of asking a question on launchpad. Now of course the problem is that no one is monitoring that location to answer the questions. If you'd like to answer user questions please consider subscribing here. https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+answer-contact Today's questions are: She is using a Mac with Sugar running in Virtual Box. Doing a right click is possible but tricky (somehow it involves two fingers?). Is there another way to get to menus such as downloading an image in Browse and pasting images into Write. https://answers.launchpad.net/soas The other question is how do you share an activity with just one friend? https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+question/82342 Anyone know any answers? Thanks! -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPAfrom CD + USB
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote: Hello, Caroline, I've considerable information to report re: CD's booting SoaS on USB. First, I admit to burning my boot CD wrong; creating the right kind of (.iso) CD makes the process work fine for me. My fairly current desktop system worked fine this way, as well as did an IBM ThinkPad notebook of Pentium II vintage. (I'm by and large a Windows person; no experience with Macs at all.) I did experience an overwhelming problem with the ThinkPad, however; it took a good 20 minutes or more for it to get from opening blue screen to the opening screen of my activity. It even took more than a minute to change to my initial activity screen from its full-screen icon display. And this machine has 1GB of memory. This admittedly anecdotal evidence leads me to question the total feasibility of running SoaS on vintage equipment. Have you or others had similar experience? I was prepared for *some* slowdown, as my XO-1 natively runs noticeably faster than the XO-1 under SoaS Strawberry. The IBM ThinkPad however, is a *complete* no-go. I've another Pentium I/II vintage laptop. It, like my IBM, has only a single USB port - showing that they are from the first generation of USB usage. However, this Hitachi laptop cannot boot from CD. This reminded me that USB ports and bootable CD's came in at about the same time, and do not predate by far bootable USB drives. IOW, bootable CD's are of limited utility for SoaS. However, bootable (3.5) *floppies* would be altogether a different matter. Floppies have been bootable forever, and all vintage machines have floppy drives - including both my Pentium I/II laptops. A floppy/USB combo, for laptops with a USB port, would at least theoretically render all such machines SoaS-capable. The combo would also work fine for older desktops as long as you could find a USB card for them. Bottom line: I'd really look forward to the availability of the boot floppy that's being completed by one of our list-members. If you had older desktops or laptops, you could easily configure them to boot first from the A: drive, having inserted the floppy disk and perhaps black-plastic-electrical-taped over the A: drive opening (?!). Yes! we agree. Thanks in advance for your help testing. :) But, to restate my question (and fear): who has had bad/good experience with SoaS in older computers? Have you seen this page? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Hardware We could use some help moving this along and gardening the wiki page. For now I am trying to only collect P4 and better as donations.I'd love to be able to expand that. Art Hunkins - Original Message - *From:* Caroline Meeks cme...@sugarlabs.org *To:* Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu *Sent:* Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPAfrom CD + USB Hi, How are things going getting your computers to boot? Do you get this consistently or is it intermittent? I've seen it intermittently especially if I use restart not shutdown. If I power down its more likely to take. Thanks Caroline On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote: FWIW, on a WinXP system of mine, a helper CD I made and booted from, completely ignored my SoaS and booted into Windows. Not very encouraging. I'm finding that quite a few systems I have around here don't have a USB boot option. I've a feeling that most systems more than 4 years old or so fit into this category. Art Hunkins - Original Message - *From:* Caroline Meeks cme...@sugarlabs.org *To:* Sugar Devel sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org ; iaepi...@lists.sugarlabs.org *Sent:* Monday, August 31, 2009 9:09 PM *Subject:* [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPAfrom CD + USB Has anyone seen a Not Responding error when booting with a CD helper? Also, I'm trying out the LaunchPad Questions functionality to see if this could be a front door where people put in various issues then we triage them to bugs/FAQs etc. -- Forwarded message -- From: Caroline question81...@answers.launchpad.net Date: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:28 PM Subject: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPA from CD + USB To: cme...@sugarlabs.org New question #81566 on Sugar on a Stick: https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+question/81566 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir1A3FH08kQ I've been able to boot with a CD and USB other macbooks, such as those at LGF. I've never seen this error before. Anurag is going to try a Sugar and Fedora CD tomorrow. -- You received this question notification because you are a direct subscriber of the question. -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax
Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81563]: Why doesn't Record work with Strawberry VM?
Hmm, I wonder if it works with VMWare. On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Bill Bogstad bogs...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Caroline, On 3 Sep 2009, at 02:40, Caroline Meeks wrote: Other Mac users...are you having this problem to? Does anyone know the root cause? The GPA is very excited to use the built in cameras with their macbooks. I'm pretty sure this worked on my iMac a few months ago. I remember someone fixed the video quality for it. I've had no luck on my MacBookPro, it does recognise the camera and activate it, but just produces a black image. Haven't tested with a very recent SoaS, so I should add that to the list of things to test. I think that you might be talking about two different environments here. The GPA teachers are apparently using VirtualBox which provides an emulated PC hardware environment for many different hardware/OS platforms. I'm guessing that Gary is talking about booting SoaS directly on Apple Intel based hardware. I use VirtualBox under Linux and there is no camera support in the emulated environment. There is support for accessing USB devices from within guest machines. However, I found the following thread on their support forum: http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=8t=18695 which seems to indicate that the VB developers are thinking about doing something about fixing their USB code to support USB based cameras, but there was nothing there as of June of this year. Bill Bogstad -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] New Activities on a.sl.o was Sugar Digest 2009-08-11
Very cool. What is the process for getting them translated into other languages? On A.sl.o how do we tell teachers what languages an activity is available in? On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:46 AM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: Thanks, They look great. david On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Gonzalo Odiardgodi...@gmail.com wrote: Caroline, i have uploaded rthe activities: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4212 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4213 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4214 Gonzalo On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: ===In the community=== 3. Gonzalo Odiard reported on a successful [http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/2009-August/004099.html Sugar Day Argentina on the Sur list.] Gonzalo also describes three new activities: [http://190.0.162.1/godiard/sugar/Domino/6/Domino.xo], a game where the pieces may have different mathematical operations or concepts which need to match; [http://190.0.162.1/godiard/sugar/Ecomundo.xo], an ecosystem in which there is grass, rabbits and foxes that are born, eat, reproduce and die; and [http://190.0.162.1/godiard/sugar/Elements/2/Elements.xo], a proof-pof-concept of a Javascript activity. Will these be going onto activities.sugarlabs.org? ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Memorize create icon
On my wish list is the ability to combine tiles from different students. So each student could do a couple of States then you could play a game with all the states by sharing tiles from the whole class. Another issue is what to do about identical answers. For instance you make a math game. 2+2 = 4 and 1+3 =4 but right now if you click on the wrong 4 I don't think it matches. Thanks, Caroline On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Joshua N Pritikin jpriti...@pobox.comwrote: On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 10:55:10AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: To whomever is going to make these invasive changes, there are some rendering bugs in Memorize as well. Images should be centered in the tiles; presently they are justified to the top of the tile. Also, we should probably use a drop shadow for the text so that white text on white image problems are circumvented. I'd also like an option to play with all the tiles uncovered. Memorization is hard enough without needing to temporarily memorize the locations of all the tiles. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81563]: Why doesn't Record work with Strawberry VM?
Other Mac users...are you having this problem to? Does anyone know the root cause? The GPA is very excited to use the built in cameras with their macbooks. I'm pretty sure this worked on my iMac a few months ago. I remember someone fixed the video quality for it. It works on my Classmate currently. Thanks, Caroline -- Forwarded message -- From: Caroline question81...@answers.launchpad.net Date: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:54 PM Subject: [Question #81563]: Why doesn't Record work with Strawberry VM? To: cme...@sugarlabs.org New question #81563 on Sugar on a Stick: https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+question/81563 I am using Strawberry.vdi on macs and it does not find the camera. I've done this on the GPA Macbooks and my imac. Same results. Its Record 64. -- You received this question notification because you are a direct subscriber of the question. -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Friends view UI affordances?
My vision is that we would create Moodle Classes for all the various groupings that students have throughout the day. Then maybe the Neighborhood view shows only people who share a group with you, or maybe those people get preference if the Neighborhood gets too crowded. On the Friends view it might be useful to pick just one of these groups. So if I'm in Reading Group A right now I could choose Reading Group A in a drop down in the friends view and it would show only people in my reading group. Later I am in Mr. J's Afterschool club and I pick that so I can work with them. After that I'm in homework time and I want to work on my Reading Group, I can use this to easily see if anyone else from my Reading Group is around to work on the homework assignment with. On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Christoph Derndorfer wrote: On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: 5. Automatically add anyone with whom you have been collaborating to the Friends view. (Doesn't quite solve the problem Michael describes, but it will result in a populated view. And it is easy enough to delete entries.) Personally I'm very much opposed to doing something like this without the user's explicit consent, especially since this is quickly going to result in a very cluttered friend's view. I agree... unless we rename it to something like the Recent Friends view. It could simply show, say, the 20 people with whom we have most recently collaborated. This would discard existing functionality in favor of different, new functionality. I suspect that this would still be an improvement, and that the current Friends view is little-used, but it would be nice to have confirmation from deployers before tearing out that feature. Ideally, both of these functions could coexist in the context of the Groups View, but we have only the vaguest mockups of how Groups should function, and even less of a blueprint for implementing them. --Ben ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] What operating system should I put on the donated computers for SoaS at the GPA
Our short term goal is to on Monday prep 5-10 computer to put into the GPA classrooms on Weds. So we don't need super simple or something we never have to upgrade, we will have lots of access to these computers. Also we don't need computers to be both boot-helpers and have a Guest Sugar system on them. They can be one or the other. This week is about what we can do this week. Hopefully this experience will lead us to a super simple installation that we can use for donated computers and put it into kids homes without having to worry about how we will upgrade them. Thanks! Caroline On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Bill Bogstad bogs...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Anurag a CS student at BU, my husband, a CS grad from MIT and I, a techie never give upper, are going to be working on Monday to take the pile of computers in my house and prepare them for installing in the GPA school on Weds. We will be wiping all the hard disks and putting on something else. Can I put install some version of the boothelper on the hard drive so when it boots off of the hard drive it automatically looks for a USB? Probably yes, See below for more. I think this would be preferred especially for older computers that don't let us set the bios for USB boot preference. Perhaps with newer computers we should install Sugar locally and make it the Room 33 user so that guests can get access with out a stick. Thoughts? help? A boot menu could allow this. Will require at least some config file investigation/changes. Also, I understand the the current beta for SoaS 2 has a method to install to a hard drive and it would be best to remain compatible with that. Unfortunately, I know nothing about how it works. Got a good answer? Put it here for future deployments: https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+question/81627 We will also use this for tracking what I do and documenting results. The floppy boot helper (using kexec-loader) that I've been working on with you does the initial boot via syslinux. Respinning it to boot from a hard drive is therefore theoretically easy as syslinux can be used on hard drivers as well as floppies. However, how to create an easy to use UI to get it installed to the hard drive isn't immediately obvious to me. Alternatively, the current CD helper uses isolinux for it's initial boot which is part of the same suite of programs as syslinux. Syslinux can used more or less as a drop in replacement for isolinux. Therefore the CD helper method could also be theoretically respun, but with identical install issues as the floppy helper. Bill Bogstad Technical notes: A fundamental difference between the CD helper and the Floppy helper is that the CD helper actually contains the SoaS kernel and ramdisk and only points to the Flash drive to get the root and /home filesystems. The floppy helper actually reads the SoaS kernel/ramdisk off of the USB stick at boot time. As a result, I believe that the floppy helper is less likely to need to be respun for new releases of SoaS. OTOH, the floppy helper makes no use of the BIOS to read/find the SoaS and if the floppy helper doesn't have a driver for hardware you want to boot from the BIOS doesn't help. -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Bug 419240] [NEW] Need instructions on how to set up a cluster of computers so they collaborate.
The same sticks collaborate locally at the GPA. Note that not seeing anyone in the neighborhood, and seeing people but not having all shared activities work all the time are probably two different bugs. We do sometimes have trouble with seeing activities at the GPA, but we always see the other people. Thanks! On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Mike Lee curious...@gmail.com wrote: I can go buy the 5 and 8 port models tonight to try. If one of these works, then we'll at least have a basis for moving forward in the classroom. So far, I don't think we have any confirmed working devices. As I said in another email, I've tested the Linksys 5-port Workgroup Switch with no luck. Is there any reason to suspect the hardware? If it works over wireless or the internet, perhaps this is a software issue. Dave Mike On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Caroline Meeks wrote: One piece of this will be creating a cluster in the hallway, that collaborates locally but does not have internet access. I've yet to get this to work. We need to translate from discussions of network segments to very practical discussion of what specific model numbers can you buy at the store and it will work for X number of computers. You should be able to use any switch with as many ports as you have computers. For example: 5 ports: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0257750 8 ports: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0294506 16 ports: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0282106 (The Microcenter in Cambridge happens to be my usual place to buy this sort of electronics.) All you should need is a switch like that, and one standard ethernet cable for each computer. If you have a very large number of machines, you can start connecting multiple switches together, but this sounds unlikely to be necessary for your purposes. --Ben ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Bug 419240] [NEW] Need instructions on how to set up a cluster of computers so they collaborate.
A crossover cable is a really interesting idea. That would be a simple way to set up two machines in a hallway to collaborate. If anyone can test it would be appreciated. I'll try to get one so we can test on Monday. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 1 Sep 2009, at 20:35, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: Gary C Martin wrote: On 1 Sep 2009, at 20:20, Sascha Silbe wrote: On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 02:57:57PM -0400, Mike Lee wrote: As I said in another email, I've tested the Linksys 5-port Workgroup Switch with no luck. I don't think it has got anything to do with the switch. Collaboration is known to have some bugs. FWIW: All my testing has been done over wireless, so no wired results to report. I do have a switch and 2 machines so I might be able to test over ethernet and see if I can reproduce the issue here. That would be good. Even a crossover cable between two machines would be enough to test the system. Yep thanks, wires are with a friend, will be a few days before I can test here, will give that route a test as well as a fallback if the switch is not playing well. My current best diagnosis is that the dhcpcd on Strawberry has somehow been configured without zeroconf, so it does not acquire a link-local address and bring up the interface in the absence of a DHCP server. I freely admit, though, that this diagnosis doesn't make a lot of sense, because Fedora has generally embraced zeroconf and Avahi, and there's no reason Strawberry should be different from stock Fedora in this regard. Yea, I'm not clear also on where the issue lies, hopefully reproduction of the failure in a test environment will push us in the right direction (sorry I can't do this right now) :-) Regards, --Gary -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Jabber Testing Monday Aug 24
:00 daveb CarolineGPA-2260: need to redo the shared roster 14:01 CarolineGPA-2260 ok 14:01 daveb CarolineGPA-2260: should fix itself in a minute i hope 14:02 -!- blendmaster1024 (n=blend...@75-169-206-152.slkc.qwest.net) has joined #sugar 14:05 dfarning sdziallas: good morning! sorry for the late response I am still a irc/fedora/pidgin newbie. I need to figure out how to get the screen blink. 14:06 daveb CarolineGPA-2260: restarting ejabberd 14:06 daveb wait! 14:06 daveb its working finally. 14:06 daveb wait restart will be better 14:06 CarolineGPA-2260 I see Jack 14:06 sdziallas dfarning: hey :) (heh. not sure about pidgin, I'm using xchat-gnome - which blinks) 14:06 CarolineGPA-2260 are you restarting again? 14:06 daveb yeah you can only see people 14:07 daveb who were online AFTER i create the group 14:07 daveb restarted 14:07 daveb should pop up now 14:07 daveb there they go 14:07 CarolineGPA-2260 yup hows the cpu? 14:08 daveb 129%! 14:08 CarolineGPA-2260 nope, now all my computers are local 14:08 daveb i see alot of people now 14:08 daveb yours will have to reset telepathy 14:08 CarolineGPA-2260 ok so I think we can eliminate the number of registered users as the issue 14:08 daveb takes a few mins 14:08 daveb wait its down 14:08 daveb to 6 14:08 CarolineGPA-2260 I'll restart everything but 1 14:09 daveb so it looks like its a high load to update 20 people's neighborhood though 14:09 daveb i will try turtle art 14:10 CarolineGPA-2260 ok but if its transient thats not really that bad. 14:10 daveb CarolineGPA-2260: correct. 14:10 CarolineGPA-2260 lets see if we can peg it again sharing TA and chat with a few people. 14:10 daveb CarolineGPA-2260: that is only on restart when everyone updates at the same tme. it'll be the same 14:10 daveb when alot of people 14:10 CarolineGPA-2260 right 14:10 daveb in the same calss for example 14:11 daveb CarolineGPA-2260: two people in turtle art 14:11 daveb 0% 14:12 CarolineGPA-2260 gpa 2 joining 14:12 daveb i stopped it and started a new one 14:12 CarolineGPA-2260 lets strat with chat 14:13 CarolineGPA-2260 ok I'm with you n0w 14:13 daveb ok then 14:13 CarolineGPA-2260 GPA2 joined 14:13 CarolineGPA-2260 anything on the CPU? 14:13 daveb nope 14:13 CarolineGPA-2260 ok I'll join some others 14:14 -!- blendmaster1024 (n=blend...@75-169-206-152.slkc.qwest.net) has quit: gonna JB my iphone now 14:14 CarolineGPA-2260 hmm only GPA2 joined jabber after restart :( 14:14 CarolineGPA-2260 i wonder what is going on with that. 14:14 daveb yeah it might take a few more mins to get telepathy to reset 14:14 CarolineGPA-2260 ack I have to leave the buidling they are locking it 14:15 CarolineGPA-2260 more tomorrow! 14:15 CarolineGPA-2260 bye ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] development team meeting
I am at the GPA this Monday. On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hi, what about a development team meeting tomorrow? Now that feature freeze is past us, we should discuss how we are going to make sure that Sugar 0.88 is going to be a rock solid release. If you plan to help with testing, bug triaging or development, please considering passing by. A first proposal of a time is tomorrow Monday 30th of August at 14.00 UTC, soudns good to everybody? Thanks, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] development team meeting
Tuesday Sept 1, at 1pm in Boston right? Yes I can be there till 2pm. Thanks, Caroline On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: On 08/30/2009 09:48 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 21:20, Caroline Meekssolutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: I am at the GPA this Monday. What about Tuesday at 16 UTC? Regards, Tomeu Both times work for me. Cheers, Simon -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar
Is the author local to Boston? Maybe we should take him over to the GPA and show him a room full of Windows machines all running open software. Perhaps seeing it for himself will help, the authors certainly seem to care about what kids are using for their education. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 14:08, Bill Kerrbillk...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 28.08.2009, at 11:33, Bill Kerr wrote: n Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: === Sugar Digest === 4. The recent FSF campaign condemning the use of Windows 7 in education (See http://windows7sins.org/) imputes OLPC in complicity with Microsoft. It is disappointing that the FSF is not making any constructive arguments in favor of free software alternatives to Windows such as Sugar on GNU/Linux, which is currently shipped on every machine distributed by OLPC. http://windows7sins.org/#1 When I first saw it I interpreted that page as contrasting the xo as a positive alternative to Windows (and still think that is a valid interpretation) When I read what walter wrote above later I was shocked to realise that it could indeed be interpreted the way walter has, as well On revisiting I can't see any clarifying text there You need to click the Learn more link next to the XO picture. Citing from that concoction: As a result, it is expected that the main effect of the OLPC project -- if it succeeds -- will be to turn millions of children into Microsoft dependents. That is a negative effect, to the point where the world would be better off if the OLPC project had never existed. The project tragically became yet another example of Microsoft exerting its control to ends harmful to society's freedom. It's tragic how they undermine their allies' efforts in their blind zealousness. I see it now, thanks Bert. I agree, it's far too zealous and purist. I agree with Luke too. ( I did click on that link before but it sometimes seems to just reload the same page) I do give the FSF an annual donation so I'll write to them and complain. I thought the over zealousness came more from some FSF supporters than the leadership but perhaps I was wrong. What I think is bad about the campaign is that they say that the OLPC project is a vector for Microsoft when the truth is that it's being a great vector for free software, regardless of what their leaders wish or have said in the past. From reading the FSF campaign, people are supposed to think that Microsoft is evil and OLPC bowed to their pressure and abandoned their principles. This, I think can have much less impact that if people learned that they can help us so more children have a great learning experience with free software. So I wouldn't ask FSF to stop bashing MS, I would ask them to publicize those projects that can have a big impact on their mission. That is the point I was trying to make. I don't really care what FSF does re Microsoft, but they are missing out on an opportunity to promote a learning project that is aligned with FLOSS by ignoring Sugar. -walter Regards, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar
Thanks! We'd still love for them to come by GPA just for the sheer joy of seeing an entire room of old windows machines shinning with Open Source software. Caroline On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.comwrote: After a discussion with the FSF, they agreed the picture was not really appropriate and that the text should clearly distinguish OLPC from Sugar. They will make an update - stay tuned. Thanks! -- Bastien -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Broadcom Driver installations was Re: SOAS on Dell mini inspiron 10
Sebastian, Mel, How is it going getting broadcom support incorporated upstream? Will this be in the next release? thanks! Caroline On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Russell Brown misterr...@googlemail.comwrote: On 22 Aug 2009, at 11:31, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Russell, I just bought a Dell mini 10 to try SOAS on. I usually run SOAS on an ASUS 701 and it all works lovely. On the Dell mini 10 the trackpad is incredibly (unusabley) sensitive. Also the wireless networking is not working. I bought the mini 10 with the upgraded Dell wireless 1510 half mini card (802.1n). If I boot into the pre-installed Ubuntu 8.04 the wireless networking works (and the trackpad is not mental). I presume you got the Dell Mini 10v (not the plain 10). The plain 10 has a gma-500 Poulsbo graphics chipset and isn't supported. The 10v has the well supported gma-950 chipset. I guess I did as everything else, excepting the above, works fine. My questions are: 1) Is there a HLC for SOAS? Not sure what a HLC is. Neither am I. I meant Hardware Compatibility List. 2) Is there a way to set the trackpad sensitivity with SOAS? Not sure its possible from sugar but you might be able to run gnome-mouse-properties from the terminal and set the trackpad stuff there. 3) Is there a way to trouble shoot the wireless network card issue? With regards to the wireless the Broadcom chipset isn't well supported but you might like to try to install the b43-openfwwf package as its a firmware that supports some broadcom chips. yum install -y b43-openfwwf I would be very interested to know if/how it works with that chipset. I've also heard of people buying an intel wifi m-pci card off ebay and swapping them out.. I'm not a total linux noob but I am not a sys admin or a linux systems developer (I've learnt through struggling through really). I've googled for SOAS on the dell mini 10. There are some articles about the mini 9 but nothing I have seen is relevant to my issues. The mini 9 and the 10v are quite similar hardware wise so there should be some useful information. If I get it sorted I will certainly write up a blog post about it so that the Dell mini 10 can be seen as a viable platform for Sugar. At less then 200 quid for a 10 inch netbook it would seem to be a good target platform. Excellent. It would also be useful if you could register a smolt profile for it so we can fully document the specs. You can do this by yum install -y smolt and then running the command smoltSendProfile to register the hardware. If then provides you a public url. I will do that. Many thanks for your help. Russell Regards, Peter ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] Competitive landscape: Intel Classmate executive blog post re updated software
I've been wanting to try this but I can't get a.sl.o to send me an email to approve my account and I need an account to download it. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Caroline Meeks wrote: italic looks very interesting! Can it be Sugarized? how does it relate/compare to Show'n'Tell or any other solutions we have in the pipeline to this type need. Thanks! You might enjoy Watch Me: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4205/ It provides a very small piece of this puzzle. Watch Me lets you share a view of your screen with other users. Just launch it, share it, and your friends can see everything you do! --Ben -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Behavioral Economics to Concrete Actions was [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-08-17
. This would imply that we really need to keep the pain associated with getting started to an absolute minimum. This is why I am trying to make the TeacherMate content a reality for Sugar. Its a low pain way for teachers to get started and to develop the habit of using Sugar. I have also listed what seem to me to be the top technical pain points for trying Sugar on a STick with a class: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO * People need to feel involved and effective to make a change. :We have a community with a potential for great discourse that welcomes contributions. This is one of our real strengths. +1 this is one of big strengths. We need to continue to focus on making teachers feel like they are contributors to the Sugar community and to global education. ===Help wanted=== 3. Last week's discussion about feedback led to the suggestion that I highlight feedback from the field in the ''Sugar Digest''. Please send me reports that I can include each week. ===In the community=== 4. There has been a lot of activity on our community-powered support portal [http://getsatisfaction.com/sugarlabs]. The interface is a bit clumsy, but much more friendly to non-developers than the trac system. Check it out. (Dennis Daniels has been including links to screencasts with most of his posts.) ===Tech Talk=== 5. In the run up to string freeze for Release 0.86, Simon Schampijer led a triage session (See [http://dev.sugarlabs.org/milestone/0.86]). 6. Tom Gilliard (satellit) continues to experiment with alternative formats for Sugar LiveUSB images (See http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/). ===Sugar Labs=== 7. Gary Martin has generated a SOM from the past week of discussion on the IAEP mailing list (Please see [[File:2009-August-8-14-som.jpg]]). ===Just for fun=== Another quote from ''A Fire Upon the Deep'': Finally they pulled the big, floppy ears simultaneously: the dataset popped open. Sounds like he was describing an OLPC XO-1. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] TuxPaint for SoaS Beta?
Hi, How is getting TuxPaint to save to the Journal going? Any chance we'll have it ready for Sugar on a STick beta release Aug 30? Thanks! Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] Competitive landscape: Intel Classmate executive blog post re updated software
italic looks very interesting! Can it be Sugarized? how does it relate/compare to Show'n'Tell or any other solutions we have in the pipeline to this type need. Thanks! On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:08 AM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.comwrote: This actually looks like a commercial ripoff of iTalc, an opensource app that does exactly what synchronous Eyes does: http://italc.sourceforge.net/ On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Thanks for the link, definitely an interesting article! Some of the features provided by that SMART Classroom Suite ( http://www2.smarttech.com/st/en-US/Products/SynchronEyes+Classroom+Management+Software/ ) would also be very useful additions for Sugar... Cheers, Christoph Sean DALY schrieb: http://blogs.intel.com/technology/2009/08/classmate_pc_as_a_one-to-one_l.php * touchscreen for kids * customized Easybits desktop (Inspirus, removes distractions) * Anmeg Parent Carefree, shuts down Classmate if rules transgressed * theft deterrent * system snapshot manager * ArtRage drawing tool * EverNote for note-taking ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Ogden Nash http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/o/ogden_nash.html - The trouble with a kitten is that when it grows up, it's always a cat. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Wed Jabber Testing
I had quite limited time to test today but here is what we did. I will call the two jabber servers XS1 and XS2. XS1 responded to jabber.sugarlabs.org for the last few months. It had over 2000 jabber users. XS2 was created a few weeks ago and had barely been used. It also has Gadget installed. On Tuesday XS2 worked fine with 8 users we set up in Cambridge. XS1 had all sorts of flackiness with the same 8 sticks and computers plus another 20 or so who happened to be on from varies Sugarlands. CPU on XS1 was around 100%. Tuesday night we switch the DNS so that jabber.sugarlabs.org went to XS2. Weds we had about 3 computers from cambridge plus about a dozen from elsewhere. It seemed ok and no large CPU usage. Dave B noted that the server always seemed to say it had 3 or 4 more people then he saw. On Weds we ran into an annoying bug where some of the sticks would not connect to Jabber. Ticket 1166. Dave also forgot to reconfigure Gadget so for part of the day XS2 was running without Gadget. Dave has wiped the XS1 database and we are going to switch the DNS for jabber.sugarlabs.org back to XS1. We will test tomorrow whether it works better then it did on Tuesday. Tomorrow, if we get access to a computer lab I will also reburn the sticks and see if I can replicate the problems we had on Ticket 1166 with sticks that we know are absolutely all the same. -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] New Activities on a.sl.o was Sugar Digest 2009-08-11
===In the community=== 3. Gonzalo Odiard reported on a successful [http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/2009-August/004099.html Sugar Day Argentina on the Sur list.] Gonzalo also describes three new activities: [http://190.0.162.1/godiard/sugar/Domino/6/Domino.xo], a game where the pieces may have different mathematical operations or concepts which need to match; [http://190.0.162.1/godiard/sugar/Ecomundo.xo], an ecosystem in which there is grass, rabbits and foxes that are born, eat, reproduce and die; and [http://190.0.162.1/godiard/sugar/Elements/2/Elements.xo], a proof-pof-concept of a Javascript activity. Will these be going onto activities.sugarlabs.org? ===Sugar Labs=== 4. Gary Martin has generated a SOM from the past week of discussion on the IAEP mailing list (Please see [[:File:2009-August-1-7-som.jpg]]). Gary has made a number of modifications to his algorithm. Please give him feedback as well. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Results of today's Jabber Testing
I worked with the RIT contingent and Dave Farning today to do some collaboration testing. We tested with 8 computers on a rarely used dev XS system hosted by Solution Grove. We had some UI challenges getting connected but once we were all connected there seemed to be no particular problems or strange behavior. We then switched the computers to jabber.sugarlabs.org (also hosted by Solution Grove). It had about 29 people on it. There were all sorts of problems, people appearing and disappearing, getting dropped, seeing a subset of people etc. The CPU load was quite high. Memory was not a problem. At this point the room we were in was closing so we had to quit. Our next test is to switch the DNS of jabber.sugarlabs.org to the rarely used XS instance and try again tomorrow. This is an easy test will help us answer the following questions. 1. Does the number of people that have used the jabber server and thus are in the roster have any effect on performance? 2. Is there any difference with this slightly newer XS install that matter? Assuming that there is no difference and that when we have 20 odd people connected we start to see failures, what tests should we do to try to isolate the problem? Thanks, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] One click vs options in palette buttons (from the toolbar redesign thread)
I'm just going to throw in a non helpfull cheer for the work you guys are doing! I can't help you with refinements yet but I know the basic work is needed. The GPA students after 5 weeks could still not find the stop button or understand the Share UI. Yay for the new design! As for being helpful, let me know when its ready to put into kids hands and I'll video some kids using it. Thanks for this work! On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: Another question that came up today (screenshot attached): The share button has a regular palette. This is not a toolbar that can be locked. We have one action buttons (e.g. keep one) and we have buttons where the options have to be revealed (like the share one). How do we make this distinction visible in the UI. Aleksey instinctively choose the arrow. But that would clash with the toolbars, and led to confusions. Do we have ideas about that? Thanks, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Backup and Restore for Sugar on a Stick
This email is especially for Miguel Salazar and the Chiapas deployment. The code for backup and restore of Sugar Sticks using the XS is awaiting code review, if you can please test it. http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/916 http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1124 http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1124Thanks, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Reviving the Deployment Team
Let me know how I can help! Thanks, CAroline On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:47 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: It looks like we have enough sustainable contributors to revive the Deployment team! The existing deployment team information is at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team . I would like to begin by slightly narrowing the deployment teams mission to: The mission of the Deployment Team is to enable Sugar deployments to participate fully in the Sugar community by organizing forums for the exchange of experience and needs between Sugar users and Sugar developers. Once these tasks are well under way we can expand the mission as needed. Maria del Pilar Saenz of SugarLabs Colombia has offered to be the initial co-ordinator for the team. Maria is both close to deployments and quite articulate and knowledgeable about our high-level goals. Over the next couple of weeks, I hope we can revisit the team's roadmap, resources, and TODO list to start minimizing the communication barriers between deployments and developers. In order, to get this started Tomeu has mentioned that he is willing to shift his Sugar Labs time from working on new features to fixing bugs. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Erase in the Ring and less hot hot corners
+1 to taking erase out of the activity ring. We need to keep that view as simple as possible for the youngest children. Moving the mouse is a challenge for the youngest kids, fewer targets with less that can go wrong is a big win. I think I'm also a +1 on the less hot hot corners. I definitely see issues with getting the frame unintentionally. But that seems like a choice with more tradeoffs. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:13 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 01:22:35AM +0545, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: e.g. here in Nepal they [...] removed the 'Remove' option from the activities menu in Home View (so activities can only be truly removed from the List View). I confirm that with the children I test on, using OLPC build 802, they lose activities from the ring as a result of accidental mouse movements. After a few hours though they don't do it. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Collaboration for Poets
Hi, As we get pilots of Sugar on a Stick and Sugar on Netbooks going this Sept there are going to be a lot of questions about collaboration. When it works its wonderful! It makes a huge difference. It works well in the GPA computer lab. Sometimes it does work, we need to get some documentation up for School/Camp IT person, Teach Savvy Teacher or accidental techie that gives them a shot at making it work for them and lets them give us good feedback when it doesn't. I'd love help expanding the wiki page David Farning started: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Collaboration#School.2FCamp_IT_person.2C_Teach_Savvy_Teacher_or_accidental_techie Specifically for the GPA pilot I would like to make the following use cases work. 1. Set up a cluster of computers in the back of a classroom, without internet connection, and have local collaboration within that cluster. (Ticket 1113) 2. Allow collaboration when using the Mac laptops on the laptop cart. Thanks, Caroline On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 6:01 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: I have started a Poets Guide to Collaboration at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Collaboration . It is a simplified guide that only looks at the use case when a XMPP Server is present. My first question is: Why is Ejabberd the preferred XMPP server? Some of the Java base servers appear to be very scalable and very stable? david ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Local Collaboration with an ethernet bug 1113
Hi, This is an important priority for GPA for Sept. Its also something we want to work for conferences and expos where we demo. Any ideas? For the GPA School I would like to set up 4-6 computers in the back of classrooms. We may well not have internet to the classroom so I'd like the cluster to collaborate locally with each other. I tested this at an Expo I went to recently. I had 4 laptop and I connected them with ethernet cable to a netgear ethernet switch. They did not see each other :( How can I make this work? -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Local Collaboration with an ethernet bug 1113
Please point me to the documentation a sysadmin would need to read to know how to set up local collaboration and how it works. Thanks, Caroline On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: [re-adding sugar-devel to CC] On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 17:09, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Hi, I think anyone with 3 computers, 3 sticks and a cheap hub could try to replicate. no need to be local. Why do you think that any computers and any cheap hub will display the same behavior? Collaboration on link-local (server-less) works for me always on the limited networking setups I have available. I bought the 5 port version of this: http://www.netgear.com/Products/Switches/DesktopSwitches/FS605.aspx Even if it's the same product from the marketing POV, differences on the parts, firmware and configuration can cause link-local communication work or not work. Without a local person who can use the same equipment you use, I don't know how we are going to be able to help you with this, even if we buy what we think is the same equipment. I was not connected to the internet. My use case is classrooms and booths where no wired internet access is available but we want to allow people to collaborate locally. This requires that the computers involved are in the same link-local segment. Do you know if that setup fulfils this requirement? Regards, Tomeu Thanks, Caroline On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 16:05, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Hi, This is an important priority for GPA for Sept. Its also something we want to work for conferences and expos where we demo. Any ideas? For the GPA School I would like to set up 4-6 computers in the back of classrooms. We may well not have internet to the classroom so I'd like the cluster to collaborate locally with each other. I tested this at an Expo I went to recently. I had 4 laptop and I connected them with ethernet cable to a netgear ethernet switch. They did not see each other :( How can I make this work? We need someone with enough technical knowledge to communicate and help with debugging. Do you have someone with such profile near you we can work with? Regards, Tomeu -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick File Structure - Summary of problems and potential solutions
Here is a summary of how I see the problems and the solutions we are evaluating. Let me know if this is correct. Problems we'd like solve: To be acceptable a solution should solve all of these problems. 1. Reduce the frequency of sticks not being bootable after usage 2. Allow a VM system to read user files and thus allow us to create a VM that can switch users 3. Allow a user to put the stick into a windows/mac/linux machine and find their files 4. Ready for Sept deployment at GPA Things we wish to optimized 1. Ability to work with poor quality sticks 2. Size of stick needed 3. Amount of abuse the stick can take and still work 4. Size of download to create the stick 5. Time it takes to create the stick 6. Easy user experience creating the stick 7. Speed of the stick in use 8. Minimize development time invested in the immediate future 9. Familiar and easy to understand We expect different solutions to be different in terms of how they do on these criteria Solutions currently being considered: 1. Fixing the current system in some way? (Do we have a plan that uses the current file structure and solves all of the problems?) 2. Full install of Fedora 3. Switch to OpenSuse 4. Create a stick using Fedora code in the same way that OpenSuse creates their stick? (Is this a possibility?) 5. Trying to find a file system expert to deploy some sort of journaling file structure that is designed for robustness. -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Reducing Stick Failures - Was Re: [Marketing] press release opportunity...
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 22:15, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: But anyway, we don't _need_ an expert. Rather an advanced linux user that can ask the right questions, read shell scripts, inspect a running system, etc. Already asked in the local linux user groups? Hi Tomeu, I'm trying to put together a wiki page taht explains where we are where we need to go coherently then I will reach out to LUGS etc. Can you help me feel confident that I have created such a page? Oops, almost miss this hidden message ;) Where is that page? The Sugar TODO Page is where I am assembling info. Right now, I think we have 2 potential solutions within our internal capabilities. 1. Full Install 2. Open Suse solution My next step is to see if either of these are workable. I do think its technically feasible to create a stick that will withstand quite a bit of abuse if we had the experts in the field helping us. But I'm just working towards good enough for the fall at this point. The TODO page will give you a hint as to where I'm heading next. If Dave Farning thinks he can do the Clone Activity then I'll probably focus on trying to get a few more collaboration use cases working. Collaboration is so effective, cool and engaging when it works. Regards, Tomeu -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Reducing Stick Failures - Was Re: [Marketing] press release opportunity...
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:34 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: I've arrived late. I've been listening to this discussion for a week. A general comment ... if any state is preserved by the children on the USB sticks, and there is no copy of the state kept elsewhere, and there is a possibility of power failure, premature removal, or other interruptions, then every software component that uses the saved state must be either capable of detecting corruption of the saved state, or graceful recovery from apparently invalid state. Nod. Note further down on this page backup and file recovery is listed. That is in progress. Interestingly enough I have seen kids pull the stick out at the wrong time and that does not see to correlate with the stick failures based on observation not strong data collection. I would like to someday have a really robust solution that could recover from that sort of catastrophic failure and even go through the washing machine. I think such is possible. Right now I'd be happy if sticks rarely failed during normal usage. It seems that there are a large number of software components involved. Each one would have to be considered. Sounds like an interesting challenge. The way I would approach it is to evaluate the saved state between a working and non-working USB stick. Are these images available for analysis? Would you like technical instructions for capturing images next time the problem happens? I have both working and nonworking sticks. I could post images of them. Can you send me instructions on how to create images from MacOSX? Thanks! My understanding of the Linux based Sugar software stack is that there are many components which could enter a state where they would not start. Back tomorrow. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] GPA in Sept and the next release of SoaS
Work with kids for the summer is starting to wind down and I'm starting to get ready for the fall. Kids return Sept 10th. I don't yet know what day we will hand out the first sticks. As I start testing and preparing the Master Stick for the GPA what release should I be working with? How can I be helpful to you for the next release? What should I be doing to insure I have the best possible stick in terms of both stability and new features? What do we imagine the logistics for upgrading sticks in the field during the year will be? Thanks! Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] press release opportunity...
As I noted in the wiki page about this: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO#Sticks_are_dieing_a_lot_-_Make_sticks_more_robust 2GB Sticks are $0.60 more then 1GB sticks. If it improves reliability its definitely worth it from a sheer TCO point of view. A full install also makes it possible to browse the files from other operating systems and allows the possiblity of a VM boot helper. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.comwrote: Caroline Meeks wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com mailto:g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 29 Jul 2009, at 21:35, Walter Bender wrote: Begin handwaving. LiveUSB came from the world of LiveCD and with it came an overlay concept to enable writing in what had been a read-only world. It is not clear that the approach was intended for more than demonstration purposes, in order to show off the power of Fedora Linux. That would suggest that in the long run, we may need to revisit the way in which we manage user data on our images. End handwaving. +1 My gut feeling is we don't want a LiveUSB, we want a bootable USB with a regular install on it. Ideally being installed from a LiveCD, that can either directly boot and demo Sugar, install to a USB stick, or install to a hard-disk. Once booted we'd want the minimum of file writes to maximise a stick lifetime, and reduce the chance of a write landing as a child unplugs. Regards, --Gary +1 except I think that we need it sooner not later. It is the most likely suspect on most of our stick failures. We will have upset teachers and kids if its not more reliable plus added expense and time costs. It is a blocker on: * Reading things you've created on your Sugar Stick on a Windows or Mac machine. * Createing a VM that can switch stick based users without rebooting out of the native OS- This will help usability quite a bit on the Mac Laptops the GPA will be using next year. I'm going to try to create a spec and publicize our need for help to my network. I'd love help with both parts of that. I'll throw my two cents in here, too. I agree with Walter that we might need to revisit the whole concept in the long term. However, it's probably the best we can get right now. Let me put it this way: Looking at my recent composes for SoaS, those were around 390 MB. This contains the compressed squashfs image. Because of this compression, it's read-only, but it's also that small. Now in comparison, we could obviously place the whole file tree on a USB key and hack up some magic to make it boot. In fact, that's from what I see already the somehow preferred way used for the XO. But for this, we'd also need to have the file tree uncompressed (since otherwise it would be read-only again). And that could become a problem. The compression works rather well for us, so if we'd try to go this way, we'd definitely need to move the USB key size requirement up (at least 2 GB, if not even more). And then, I'm not really sure if this solves the data corruption issue (which I haven't experienced myself, so far) - because files could get destroyed if the USB key is improperly removed anyway. Caroline, maybe you could explain the way you're using to make these keys, because I've lost track about what the current way is. Regarding reading contents one created in Sugar on Windows / Mac, I think this is still quite some time away. In fact, I'm wondering whether this isn't a datastore related feature. /me thinks about this... Cheers, --Sebastian -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS Getting stuck at the Fedora Login Screen
I have updated the wiki with the latest data and a plan for next steps. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO#Sticks_are_dieing_a_lot_-_Make_sticks_more_robust Basically trying a full install and an OpenSuse stick and seeing if either of those fail as easily. Would anyone like to help with the testing? Thanks, Caroline On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: I still have it, not sure how to poke around inside it, but I'll see if there is a way to mount it and look. Dave On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:03:52AM -0400, Dave Bauer wrote: After replacing the overlay, i restarted again and booted sucessfully into sugar. It'd be interesting to know what was in the overlay. Dave Martin -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] How big might a full install of Fedora Sugar be?
Id love to try it. Does anyone know where I can find instructions? I am putting off ordering USB Sticks just in case we will need 4GB ones. Does anyone see that as a possibility? Thanks, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] press release opportunity...
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 29 Jul 2009, at 04:10, Caroline Meeks wrote: This is a good idea! Can I also ask you and Tomeu to help me with another, complimentary approach? As I hiked up the mountain on the weekend I got a lecture from one of my friends on different file system options and journaling. He has some time to help us. Today at the Expo I went to I met someone who had one of the patents on USB sticks. She is also willing to help us. I'd like to get our problems defined, resources and documentation linked up and then put together some specific requests for help that I can put out to my linkedin, facebook, and APO networks. Can you guys help me create the wiki pages that would let people understand our problems and find what they need to learn easily for some of the specific problems we don't know how to solve. The most authoritative and frightening item I've read on this is from Mitch: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device There was a detailed discussion thread back in February at: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2009-February/022987.html I'm sure this is not the only culprit, but it's likely an important one. I'm no expert in the live image process but here's my current random theory for the login screen case anyway (to be proven wrong so we can move on please :-) A live image has a kind of overlay file where the actual users changes are being written, if a kid unplugs too early, or hits some other media write issue, that overlay could be corrupted. Likely loosing all user changes to the original base image (and some), the stick would still boot, but bail out when it hits the corrupt overlay. Dropping the user at a login prompt (but with nothing to login to as that part is corrupt). End of random theory. This makes sense to me and I added it to the wiki. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO#Sticks_are_dieing_a_lot_-_Make_sticks_more_robust You'd need to carefully analyse the broken stick images to resolve this one. Not sure of the tools you'd need. Maybe. I am currently very suspicious of our file formatting. I want to know how it works and why it was chosen. then I want to find out why Open Suse and other distributions picked their choices. I don't have any information but its feeling like we have a fine crystal file format and what we want is a file structure that wraps the files in hard plastic so they will be ok even if a few bytes are disturbed. Hopefully we'll get more info. Right now I feel like all I know is how little we know. :) Which is actually a useful piece of information. Regards, --Gary -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] community influence on development
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Why am I so popular?
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:38 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:24 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 00:28, Jim Simmonsnices...@gmail.com wrote:
Aleksey,
If I was responsible for this I'd cover my tracks better. I would
make Bastien's video insanely popular too.
I was paying at least some attention to these numbers and it bugs me
that I can't trust them. Oh, well.
Maybe all downloads from the same school use the same IP? Can we know
where is each IP allocated?
I have seen that happen before. A couple of times we have had bursts
of download from a single IP. Those IPs have either been from a
school or a search engine.
If its actually from a school that is really interesting and we might want
to try to find out who from the school and what they are doing.
The statistics generator for ASLO is just a python script which parse
the activities.sl.o access log. It would be pretty straight forward
for someone to add a couple lines to add geoip functionality.
david
Regards,
Tomeu
James Simmons
$ zcat data/access-2009072{0..6}.gz | grep -i
'downloads.file.*\(read_etext\|view_slides\)' | wc -l
8781
$ zcat data/access-2009072{0..6}.gz | grep -i
'downloads.file.*\(read_etext\|view_slides\)' | awk '{print $1}' | sort |
uniq | wc -l
876
Just one question, how many IPs from 876 came from your bot-net ;)
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Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS Getting stuck at the Fedora Login Screen
It might be useful to come up with some sort of taxonomy of failure: This is the only one I call a failure! won't boot with repeated retries - will boot intermittently I have been seeing less of this one recently. Prior to Strawberry this seemed to happen but now I rarely get a stick to work with a retry. will boot with some intervention (e..g, hitting enter at liveuser prompt) I have a ticket for this in as a bug, it seems to happen always after restart. etc. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS Getting stuck at the Fedora Login Screen
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO#Sticks_are_dieing_a_lot_-_Make_sticks_more_robust I added some observations on failure modes. I'm not expecting sticks to be usable after going through the wash, but it might help us understand our different sorts of failures. And maybe there is a robust file system that would go through the wash. I think its pretty impressive that the stick still goes through the beginning portions of the boot straight out of the washing machine! :) On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.comwrote: It might be useful to come up with some sort of taxonomy of failure: This is the only one I call a failure! won't boot with repeated retries - will boot intermittently I have been seeing less of this one recently. Prior to Strawberry this seemed to happen but now I rarely get a stick to work with a retry. will boot with some intervention (e..g, hitting enter at liveuser prompt) I have a ticket for this in as a bug, it seems to happen always after restart. etc. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Improving Reading Experience
Sounds like you guys are on the right track. What I want is a movie that is fun, short and upbeat and makes people see we have tons and tons of books for kids. I'm not an expert on childrens lit, go for books that look like fun or you have heard of. Don't seek out controversy, but don't sweat Wizard of Oz and such. Areas that want to exercise that level of censorship are unlikely to be early adopters of Sugar. If you really want opinions, you can ask on IAEP. Thanks! Caroline On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi Caroline, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com writes: Can we get one with childrens books demoed? Sure! Can you send me a link to such a book in Gutenberg? I think also skip the downloading from the activities portal, that is a separate video. Once you know how to do that it will be boring to have to watch it for every activity. Right. I will make another video demoing a child book and skipping the download step when Jim releases the version with annotation etc. Also it seemed to cut off just when it was going to get exciting Were you going to join the shared activity? That would make even more sense when we'll be able to share annotations on the book. Dave C is a volunteer with video skills. Maybe you guys could work together to create a video with some music and such? I'd be glad, sure! Thanks for the feedback, -- Bastien -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Why am I so popular?
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 26 Jul 2009, at 21:43, Bastien wrote: Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com writes: 1). Bastien's Read Etexts video became an Internet sensation. Hey, he did a nice job! My video has been viewed only 10 times so far, so you can drop this interpretation :) So how do you know those 10 times didn't each get each get shown to a school assembly of 500 kids a pop? OK, so one of them was mine, so -500 kids ;-) Cool! Is there somewhere I can read more about this 500 kid school assembly? Regards, --Gary ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA Goals Status
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Greg Smith gregsmit...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Walter, Caroline and Dave, Looking at the list of main goals for GPA (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Goals), I see two top priority items: - Collaboration - Backup and restore I think the first is done. That is we have a plan to use local collaboration (I believe that means Salut). Can you confirm that solution is acceptable? This is acceptable for now. When we have the kids take the kids home we'll eventaully want them to be able to collaborate with ohter kids at school via a Jabber server. But we have a few months before this is critical path. How are we doing with backup and restore? Let me know if there's anything I can help with, e.g. I can help document how we will do backup and restore. The SG team is working on it. I think they owe an email on approach and status to the server list The rest are priority B for GPA.This one seems important to me: Straightforward Teacher Assignment - Student - Teacher workflow. However, if we have a plan and no new SW is needed, that's good. We can focus on the activities and next level of detail. That said, if its critical to success in the fall we should get working on it ASAP. I may also add a feature to share a file from one computer to another. I want to see a lesson plan needing that first. Then I'll try out the suggestions recently posted to the list before I ask for a new feature. I appreciate any pointers on priorities and major feature work still pending. Lots of bug scrub work to do in the mean time. For the fall - here is a brainstorm - Reliably working on the Macbooks in the laptop cart. - Faster user setup. -Easier setup in the computer lab - We can try upgrading the BIOS and see if we can get it to boot directly from USB. We could have a floppy boot helper that could just stay with the computer. - Communication plan for helping people to get their sugar sticks to boot at home -More robust sticks, I think there is a ticket in on the goes to user login but with no user name but we've seen on a few sticks now. I think the 4 items above will all be much easier if we are using a stick format where you can see the files rather then one squash image file. there is at least one ticket in for that. I'd like some technical opinions on that, but my sense is the underlying reformat of the stick is what should be to top priority item. -Prettier reboot. Reboot takes you to a nonsugar screen where you have to press return when it says user name is liveuser. Sometimes it fails completely as above. -Grouping collaboration by class on the jabber server (clearly this is for after we goto Jabber based collaboration.) -Teacher collecting homework and assessing workflow. Right now it looks like the fall early adopters will be doing a lot of writing so think of a student writing an essay and the teacher being able to take all those essays home, read and comment on them, and return them. Thansk, Caroline Thanks, Greg S ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA Goals Status
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Greg, On 21 Jul 2009, at 14:51, Greg Smith wrote: I may also add a feature to share a file from one computer to another. I want to see a lesson plan needing that first. Then I'll try out the suggestions recently posted to the list before I ask for a new feature. Have you tried using the Send to -- friend Journal feature? Obviously you need local collaboration working first, and added some friends: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.84/0.83.5_Notes#Journal_entry_palette Send to sends to one person and we need to have one person (the teacher in this use case) send to everyone in the class/neighborhood. That said, I wonder if we can use this as a work around while we wait for designers and programmers to figure out the usecase. Is there a clever human engineering solution that would quickly allow each kid to send it to two other kids and get full coverage quickly? sort of like a calling tree? I think what I'm asking is how could I in a classroom management situation set up file sending tree quickly that includes everyone and doesn't cause too much chaos and is resilient to kids being absent and some kids being socially isolated. Regards, --Gary P.S. I think Collaborate mentioned something about sending via a Jabber server being more recently implemented, but not sure if that is an official release yet, or if Sugar is able to use it. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Planning for Weds - Tux Paint, Conozco Uruguay, Memorize with Speak
Hi, I'm doing lesson planning for Weds, the 3rd graders. They are the ones who would test out these three activites. I want to check in on the current status I think it is: 1. Tux Paint - Waiting for it to save to the Journal before we let the kids use it 2. Conozco Uruguay - Waiting for a version that fits different sized screens 3. Memorize with Speak - crashes when you try to use Speak. thanks, Caroline -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [support-gang] An Opportunity to bring vital content to the Sugar/XO world - Needs technical help.
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.comwrote: Hi Tomeu, On 19 Jul 2009, at 10:51, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Hi, not sure why Caroline's email didn't reached IAEP, wrong email address? On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 02:17, Caryl Bigenhocbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Caroline, I agree that content is something we desperately need for Sugar and the XO. But, I don't quite understand your proposal. Is Innovations For Learning offering us their software for free to adapt? They have offered at least some of it. More may come but I don't know about it yet. See: http://blog.tomeuvizoso.net/2009/05/progress-on-sugar-activities-with-swf.html If so, what language is it in? Flash, developed specifically to run on Gnash. Is the source code available? Yes, though in the .fla format that as far as I know can only be edited with the proprietary tools from Adobe. Or, is this something you think our volunteer programmers should try to reverse-engineer and create for Sugar and the XO? Well, what I would like to see (but may not be what Caroline had in mind) is someone with access to the Adobe tools and some Flash knowledge to debug the EatBoom swf file and see why the game is not progressing to the next levels after the first three or so sums have been completed. Just looking... :-( damn and blast... The .SWF played on my Mac also fails to progress levels. :-( double damn and blast... I have MX2004 (which is really Flash v7 if you ignore the annoying marketing naming fluff). The eatboom .FLA was last saved by someone using Flash v9 on Windows (needed a binary hex editor to find that out) and will not open here – so there's no way I can fix – pity this level of content could have been compatible with Flash v4! :-( triple damn and blast... I used a (recent) flash de-compiler to convert the .SWF into a v7 .FLA. I can access all the project/code/media, but the levels still didn't progress (though I could always get through the exit). There should be 3 levels (see attached images), and two game over (failure/success): Hmm, any chance its not supposed to progress automatically? Maybe it is waiting for something from the Classroom Management System before it allows you to go on to the next level? Oh well, I did try. Anyone else have the latest Flash IDE want to give it a shot? I did notice (though this may be an issue related to version incompatibility) that the levels are often impossible to complete. Your 'slug' can only pick up a number for a short amount of time, so if the correct answer appears away from the door you can never get it to the exit in time... FWIW, the .swf should play directly in a web browser with the Flash plug-in to test, does this game actually play through the levels for anyone? I've tested without luck in Safari with the latest Adobe Flash plug-in and several other older stand alone Flash players. Here's the URL: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/eatboom/repos/mainline/blobs/raw/5b9c64cb13145b0d90377a354d625afec14f1716/EatBoom.swf Regards, --Gary P.S. If any one's interested :-) this was the main reason I stopped developing with Flash (did it for about 5yrs professionally). Macromedia, and maybe now Adobe used to mess with developers every ~2 years by breaking their binary save formats, stopping the new IDE release from saving older versions, and usually triggering a re-write of a good portion of your source due to API breaks. It was great for one off short 'disposable' projects that only had to be maintained for ~6 months, but a real pain if you had to keep things working over a few years. -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Gnash gtk+ widget support
Knowing nothing about Flash development, I wonder how difficult it would be to write the game from scratch in Python instead... It would be worth having solid Gnash support, but I would rather our energies went into helping build a solid set of Python examples than Flash examples... Maybe more data would help us decide. Can you ask them for a list of all the content they are willing to share with us so we can understand how much we'd be rewriting? Based on conversations with Prof. Kim I think they have K-2 Spanish reading and math as well as English and I think they have some public health content. If they do have public health content and they are willing to share it, we should see if we can get copies for our Doctor in the Philippines to review. Caroline -walter Regards, --Gary ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] updating from aslo
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: 2009/7/16 David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org: A possible answer would be to abstract ALSOParse.py and microformat.py as back ends for Sugar-Update-Control (SUC). It's not so much the issue of losing support for the existing widely-deployed setup (although that would be unfortunate), it's that this seems to lack design. The microformat-style update (along with certain characteristics of the updater and server implementation) is not perfect, but it is good for field use and G1G1 style internet users. The motivation for moving to aslo seems to be only that of because it's running on sugarlabs.org, without consideration for any technical pros or cons of the different format, how it might be deployed in the field, etc. I think you should take a more detailed approach to this, without limiting yourself to the quirks and current behaviour of the aslo code. +1 Do we have use cases for this? It seems like this is sorta like a bunch of other thngs we need to enable. Off the top of my head - Teacher shares a file with a class - Teacher shares a file or lesson plan or student work sample with other teachers - Student shares with classmate for peer review - Student shares with teacher for assessment (need an easy way for teachers to see all students work) - Student shares with outside world - Student shares with school community - Teacher or student gets an activity for Sugar - Teacher or Student learns what is possible with Sugar from examples - Students or classes of students collaobrate to co-create projects All different, but it would be good if the end users felt there was some consistant logic to how they did these tasks which may well be related in their minds. Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Initial implementation of toolbars design
We can put it in front of actual kids once you get a sample working. We could even try playing the video for our existing classes. I don't know if they'll be able to give you feedback from just seeing the video. Might be interesting to find out. On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.comwrote: Hi Tomeu, On 17 Jul 2009, at 09:52, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Here are my image mock-ups for Write. All tabs are swapped out as is, for toolbar buttons. With no need to move existing tab content features about: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Proposals/Toolbars#Top_level_Activity_toolbar_for_Write These look really great! I would like to hear opinions from people who have worked with kids and Sugar. +1 If they agree to move forward on this, I think we can go full speed ahead. Yes, we need that feedback! Having worked closely on these, I can't fairly comment, I'm in the box so to speak. We need feedback from other folks out side the box. Though I am happy to wave a flag and shout having the Stop button always visible at the top right of every Activity toolbar is a huge win ;-) My big criticism of the design is actually there's no text for the literate. I can see adults struggling more with this interface vs. lowering the bar a for the very young and/or illiterate. Secondary palettes still get their text labels, just like they do now, thank goodness. But, the primary tool buttons are all without text labels (good for ease of translation, but good icons are much harder to create than a text name). Thanks for the great work, Thanks, glad you like them :-) Regards, --Gary P.S. I've been trying to work through your [IAEP] future of the Sugar user experience email from 6 weeks or so back from a design point of view, think I've managed to touch on most items (but not all). -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Share sugar objects on a standalone server
Ack! I posted this to the wrong thread! Sorry :( Here are some ideas for use cases that we might want to think through. Off the top of my head - Teacher shares a file with a class - Teacher shares a file or lesson plan or student work sample with other teachers - Student shares with classmate for peer review - Student shares with teacher for assessment (need an easy way for teachers to see all students work) - Student shares with outside world - Student shares with school community - Teacher or student gets an activity for Sugar - Teacher or Student learns what is possible with Sugar from examples - Students or classes of students collaobrate to co-create projects All different, but it would be good if the end users felt there was some consistent logic to how they did these tasks which may well be related in their minds. On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Test case: 1) Create a new TurtleArt activity 2) Upload the new entry to the SL wiki using Browse 3) Use Browse to download the entry back to Journal 4) Resume it from Journal Thanks. That's something I missed. I'll add it to [[The undiscoverable]]. However, when I tried uploading a TA session, the Wiki said, .gtar is not a permitted file type. Did we change from .tar.gz to .gtar in the Journal, or something like that, but not coordinate properly? This should ideally work for all Activities, then folks can actually start creating and distributing content/activities directly using Sugar, for other Sugar users. +1 Regards, --Gary -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Share sugar objects on a standalone server
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Caroline, On 17 Jul 2009, at 23:35, Caroline Meeks wrote: Ack! I posted this to the wrong thread! Sorry :( Here are some ideas for use cases that we might want to think through. Off the top of my head • Teacher shares a file with a class • Teacher shares a file or lesson plan or student work sample with other teachers • Student shares with classmate for peer review • Student shares with teacher for assessment (need an easy way for teachers to see all students work) • Student shares with outside world • Student shares with school community • Teacher or student gets an activity for Sugar • Teacher or Student learns what is possible with Sugar from examples • Students or classes of students collaobrate to co-create projects All different, but it would be good if the end users felt there was some consistent logic to how they did these tasks which may well be related in their minds. Could you list how a teacher/student currently accomplishes each of these cases? I have my own guesses for most (I think most would usually involve a school Windows file server and share disk space, or just not be allowed from the school point of view), but wanted to see if you have a list of current approaches for these. At the GPA I think its not done at all. Kids use the computer lab for an hour a week and use a web site to play educational games. At LGF, they have macs and they have a web based class management system written by a programmer out in western MA. More or less like Moodle. I'm not sure how many of these use cases it supports. One high school I visited had a sign up in the computer lab reminding kids to email their work to themselves on their gmail accounts. My high schooler tends to use this technique also. Teachers sometimes have him email files to turn in assignments. I think in one class he used google docs. So I think email and web sites are the current way these tasks are done, in the rare instances they occur. I am copying Server Devel as I suspect our vision if for the XS will support many of these use cases. Regards, --Gary On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Test case: 1) Create a new TurtleArt activity 2) Upload the new entry to the SL wiki using Browse 3) Use Browse to download the entry back to Journal 4) Resume it from Journal Thanks. That's something I missed. I'll add it to [[The undiscoverable]]. However, when I tried uploading a TA session, the Wiki said, .gtar is not a permitted file type. Did we change from .tar.gz to .gtar in the Journal, or something like that, but not coordinate properly? This should ideally work for all Activities, then folks can actually start creating and distributing content/activities directly using Sugar, for other Sugar users. +1 Regards, --Gary -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Sharing Images in the neighborhood
Today we wanted to take pictures the teacher had taken with a camera and share them with the class. This turned out to be much harder then I expect. It turns out you can't just share something from your journal into the neighborhood. So we tried opening it in image viewer. Then share to neighborhood. Other person clicks on it. They get a popup from the journal asking what they want to open. Never shows what the first person opened. Is this an image viewer bug or was it designed to work this way? We ended up uploading to picasa and Anurag sent me an invite. Another bug, (this one reported) is that you can't follow links easily in google mail, by just clicking on them. However I remembered the workaround and used follow link. I then shared the bookmark. Then next bug (and this one is Google's not ours) the shared bookmark wanted people to log in, even though Anurag had made the album public. Very painful for what should have been a simple task! We need a way to get something from one journal to another without a lot of opening of other programs. Even with this work around I now have to teach the kids, goto the neighborhood, open up the shared browse, click the bookmark when it appears, download image, switch program, get image into TA. Lots of steps. Infact what happened is 25% of the class opened browse from thier home rather then the shared browse then didn't know where to go. Way simpler if we could just share a journal item with the neighborhood. Any ideas for both short term work arounds and longer term fixes? -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] How To fix my bad cloned sticks
On 7/15/09, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: On 7/14/09, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Here is the how to we are going to use tomorrow to fix the 3rd grade sticks. I'm putting it up here for critique. If there is anyway to streamline it let me know because we are going to have to do it 12 times. Is there a way to get rid of the jabber key without losing the name? Boot Write down the name start the terminal rm .sugar/default/owner.key* restart Enter the name Pick a color (the kids will have to go change it back to something they like) Only removing owner.key will not reset the colors or the name. It should just work after rebooting. I tested this on SoaS here on my network and with jabber.sugarlabs.org. You are saying rm .sugar/default/owner.key but do not rm owner.key.pub Sorry, Remove both owner.key and owner.key.pub but not anything else. That will remove the key and a new one will be generated when you reboot. The colors and name are stored in gconf so they are not affected by this. That is the behavior I expected. However the observed behavior is that it does erase the name. Dave This will delete the jabber key without deleting the name? Dave -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Cleaning up 0.86 Roadmap page
Hi, Should some of the ideas here be on the list? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Goals - Solid Collaboration - maybe just being able to easily see in the UI and change whether you are collaborating locally or through a Jabber Server. - Straightforward Teacher Assignment - Student - Teacher workflow - I don't know if we have enough of a plan of how to do this to include it in the next release. But if someone did have an implementation idea.. - Avoid surplus Activity launching On 7/15/09, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: On 07/12/2009 11:20 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, many good ideas have been added to the http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.86/Roadmap#Ideas section. We used this at the beginning to track our features for this release. We have been moving now to a new policy to track Features. Please use the policy described at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Policy to track your features. Move the items you have been adding to this list to separate feature pages. Make sure to follow the guidelines http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Policy#What_does_the_feature_process_look_like.3F if you want to ask your Feature to be included in the 0.86 release. Thanks, Simon Thanks for those that did the work already. I have moved the left over items to the talk page - to not clutter the roadmap. Please keep on cleaning this page and move items to the feature pages or delete them if not applicable anymore. Our 0.86 feature page is getting into shape as well. From the proposed features (following the policy at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Policy) these have been accepted already http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.86/Feature_List Some still pending. Keep on the good work. Thanks, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Cleaning up 0.86 Roadmap page
On 7/15/09, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 22:09, Caroline Meekssolutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Should some of the ideas here be on the list? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Goals Solid Collaboration - maybe just being able to easily see in the UI and change whether you are collaborating locally or through a Jabber Server. Straightforward Teacher Assignment - Student - Teacher workflow - I don't know if we have enough of a plan of how to do this to include it in the next release. But if someone did have an implementation idea.. I think you can enter a feature page before we have an implementation idea nor a team to implement it. Avoid surplus Activity launching ==Avoid surplus Activity launching== Don't let the user keep opening activities until the machine crashes or is driven to its knees. Make it less likely that a user who is impatient will end up opening multiple copies of an activity. * Priority C for GPA What do you mean by this? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Goals Regards, Tomeu On 7/15/09, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: On 07/12/2009 11:20 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, many good ideas have been added to the http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.86/Roadmap#Ideas section. We used this at the beginning to track our features for this release. We have been moving now to a new policy to track Features. Please use the policy described at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Policy to track your features. Move the items you have been adding to this list to separate feature pages. Make sure to follow the guidelines http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Policy#What_does_the_feature_process_look_like.3F if you want to ask your Feature to be included in the 0.86 release. Thanks, Simon Thanks for those that did the work already. I have moved the left over items to the talk page - to not clutter the roadmap. Please keep on cleaning this page and move items to the feature pages or delete them if not applicable anymore. Our 0.86 feature page is getting into shape as well. From the proposed features (following the policy at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Policy) these have been accepted already http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.86/Feature_List Some still pending. Keep on the good work. Thanks, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
