Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Proposal: Lease expiry information display in My Settings - About My Computer
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Anish, I've uploaded a mockup image to the wiki [1] which covers most of the items raised in this thread: - a new security section (that should only be shown if there is lease information) - lease number of days remaining - lease absolute expiry date (date string should use correct formatting to display locale date format) Did I miss anything? One nit: There is no such thing as Sugar Labs Inc. Should be: Sugar Labs, a member project of the Software Freedom Conservancy. regards. -walter Regards, --Gary [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Settings_About_My_Computer_Security_Section_Mockup.png On 7 Aug 2012, at 17:55, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Daniel, Thanks for replying! On Tuesday 07 August 2012 10:12 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.com wrote: One problem they were also trying to get around in Paraguay is that during vacations, the kids don't go to the schools and hence the leases expire. If the kids also know about this information, then they can easily make sure that they don't get 'locked out' You'd hope that the project would make provisions for long-enough leases to be supplied before the vacations. But I can see the use for this for when that doesn't happen (which is understandable given high workloads and so on). Talking more with the team in Nicaragua, this functionality would be useful for them too. Similar situations are occuring here where laptops were activated for a certain amount of time, with the strong expectation that internet connectivity would become available in the schools before the activations expire (so that they can be automatically updated/renewed). These expectations look like they won't turn out to be true :( So a manual activation update process will happen and the ability for someone less-technical to be able to quickly check whether this manual update process has completed OK would be of value (that would be the person's only contact with activations - we aren't expecting them to be able to solve any problems if the results are bad, other than report up the chain). This is exactly the kind of clear info that should have been in the feature page in the first place. Sorry for not doing it earlier. Anyway, the use cases you describe in your mail don't seem to be described on the feature page. Could you please extend the feature page to go into more detail about this? I'll then add the above local case if its of interest. +1 Why is the proposal to show the number of days remaining? Yes, I remember discussing specifically this with Roberto (PyEduca Technical head) back in Dec 2010, and my suggestion was exactly the same (to display the date). However, as per them (and I know this is not a rational explanation), they wanted us to display no of days remaining. The Nicaraguan team have expressed a strong preference that this should (instead, or additionally) display the expiry date. When dealing with long duration activations, which is often the case (until good connectivity is established), having a teacher phone up and say there are 137 days remaining (and then having to calculate the day of expiry in order to put an appropriately timed school visit on the calendar) would be a pain. I agree with this, and since I cannot seem to remember exactly why they wanted it to display in terms of no. of days remaining, I'll ping them or we can go with this. Since this feature is only relevant for the XO at the moment, making use of the bitfrost API would be acceptable to me, but I don't see a lot wrong here by parsing the lease.sig directly. This file is supposed to be automatically generated/updated in normal use cases. Are you planning to parse sig02 (delegated leases) by hand as well? What if the lease is corrupt in some way? I can see myself objecting to any implementation of this that doesn't reuse bitfrost. It takes care of all of the corner cases and will avoid code duplication. Again, it seemed to solve the use case we had in Paraguay, and the idea behind upstreaming a feature is that it goes through this process of review. I am up for changing the code to use the bitfrost api. It should not be complex (if it's adequately documented somewhere). Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel - -- Anish Mangal Dextrose Project Manager Activity Central -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQIUh6AAoJEBoxUdDHDZVpEX8H/j5oCzGUvnfIWdy1f/awAnkf Trtsm4Me8r2D0ufxEyIZkUHugCQPUTdPqDEAlexr8ziQjy8mqNLrbvEWwwxxl4ho
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Proposal: Lease expiry information display in My Settings - About My Computer
On 15 Aug 2012, at 20:14, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Anish, I've uploaded a mockup image to the wiki [1] which covers most of the items raised in this thread: - a new security section (that should only be shown if there is lease information) - lease number of days remaining - lease absolute expiry date (date string should use correct formatting to display locale date format) Did I miss anything? One nit: There is no such thing as Sugar Labs Inc. Should be: Sugar Labs, a member project of the Software Freedom Conservancy. Good catch, this mockup was based on a quick screen grab of the soon to be released 12.1, and wasn't aware of it being updated recently. Hmmm. Not sure who I'd need to bother to correct the license text. Regards, --Gary regards. -walter Regards, --Gary [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Settings_About_My_Computer_Security_Section_Mockup.png On 7 Aug 2012, at 17:55, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Daniel, Thanks for replying! On Tuesday 07 August 2012 10:12 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.com wrote: One problem they were also trying to get around in Paraguay is that during vacations, the kids don't go to the schools and hence the leases expire. If the kids also know about this information, then they can easily make sure that they don't get 'locked out' You'd hope that the project would make provisions for long-enough leases to be supplied before the vacations. But I can see the use for this for when that doesn't happen (which is understandable given high workloads and so on). Talking more with the team in Nicaragua, this functionality would be useful for them too. Similar situations are occuring here where laptops were activated for a certain amount of time, with the strong expectation that internet connectivity would become available in the schools before the activations expire (so that they can be automatically updated/renewed). These expectations look like they won't turn out to be true :( So a manual activation update process will happen and the ability for someone less-technical to be able to quickly check whether this manual update process has completed OK would be of value (that would be the person's only contact with activations - we aren't expecting them to be able to solve any problems if the results are bad, other than report up the chain). This is exactly the kind of clear info that should have been in the feature page in the first place. Sorry for not doing it earlier. Anyway, the use cases you describe in your mail don't seem to be described on the feature page. Could you please extend the feature page to go into more detail about this? I'll then add the above local case if its of interest. +1 Why is the proposal to show the number of days remaining? Yes, I remember discussing specifically this with Roberto (PyEduca Technical head) back in Dec 2010, and my suggestion was exactly the same (to display the date). However, as per them (and I know this is not a rational explanation), they wanted us to display no of days remaining. The Nicaraguan team have expressed a strong preference that this should (instead, or additionally) display the expiry date. When dealing with long duration activations, which is often the case (until good connectivity is established), having a teacher phone up and say there are 137 days remaining (and then having to calculate the day of expiry in order to put an appropriately timed school visit on the calendar) would be a pain. I agree with this, and since I cannot seem to remember exactly why they wanted it to display in terms of no. of days remaining, I'll ping them or we can go with this. Since this feature is only relevant for the XO at the moment, making use of the bitfrost API would be acceptable to me, but I don't see a lot wrong here by parsing the lease.sig directly. This file is supposed to be automatically generated/updated in normal use cases. Are you planning to parse sig02 (delegated leases) by hand as well? What if the lease is corrupt in some way? I can see myself objecting to any implementation of this that doesn't reuse bitfrost. It takes care of all of the corner cases and will avoid code duplication. Again, it seemed to solve the use case we had in Paraguay, and the idea behind upstreaming a feature is that it goes through this process of review. I am up for changing the code to use the bitfrost api. It should not be complex (if it's adequately documented somewhere). Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel - -- Anish
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Proposal: Lease expiry information display in My Settings - About My Computer
Hi Anish, I've uploaded a mockup image to the wiki [1] which covers most of the items raised in this thread: - a new security section (that should only be shown if there is lease information) - lease number of days remaining - lease absolute expiry date (date string should use correct formatting to display locale date format) Did I miss anything? Regards, --Gary [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Settings_About_My_Computer_Security_Section_Mockup.png On 7 Aug 2012, at 17:55, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Daniel, Thanks for replying! On Tuesday 07 August 2012 10:12 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.com wrote: One problem they were also trying to get around in Paraguay is that during vacations, the kids don't go to the schools and hence the leases expire. If the kids also know about this information, then they can easily make sure that they don't get 'locked out' You'd hope that the project would make provisions for long-enough leases to be supplied before the vacations. But I can see the use for this for when that doesn't happen (which is understandable given high workloads and so on). Talking more with the team in Nicaragua, this functionality would be useful for them too. Similar situations are occuring here where laptops were activated for a certain amount of time, with the strong expectation that internet connectivity would become available in the schools before the activations expire (so that they can be automatically updated/renewed). These expectations look like they won't turn out to be true :( So a manual activation update process will happen and the ability for someone less-technical to be able to quickly check whether this manual update process has completed OK would be of value (that would be the person's only contact with activations - we aren't expecting them to be able to solve any problems if the results are bad, other than report up the chain). This is exactly the kind of clear info that should have been in the feature page in the first place. Sorry for not doing it earlier. Anyway, the use cases you describe in your mail don't seem to be described on the feature page. Could you please extend the feature page to go into more detail about this? I'll then add the above local case if its of interest. +1 Why is the proposal to show the number of days remaining? Yes, I remember discussing specifically this with Roberto (PyEduca Technical head) back in Dec 2010, and my suggestion was exactly the same (to display the date). However, as per them (and I know this is not a rational explanation), they wanted us to display no of days remaining. The Nicaraguan team have expressed a strong preference that this should (instead, or additionally) display the expiry date. When dealing with long duration activations, which is often the case (until good connectivity is established), having a teacher phone up and say there are 137 days remaining (and then having to calculate the day of expiry in order to put an appropriately timed school visit on the calendar) would be a pain. I agree with this, and since I cannot seem to remember exactly why they wanted it to display in terms of no. of days remaining, I'll ping them or we can go with this. Since this feature is only relevant for the XO at the moment, making use of the bitfrost API would be acceptable to me, but I don't see a lot wrong here by parsing the lease.sig directly. This file is supposed to be automatically generated/updated in normal use cases. Are you planning to parse sig02 (delegated leases) by hand as well? What if the lease is corrupt in some way? I can see myself objecting to any implementation of this that doesn't reuse bitfrost. It takes care of all of the corner cases and will avoid code duplication. Again, it seemed to solve the use case we had in Paraguay, and the idea behind upstreaming a feature is that it goes through this process of review. I am up for changing the code to use the bitfrost api. It should not be complex (if it's adequately documented somewhere). Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel - -- Anish Mangal Dextrose Project Manager Activity Central -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQIUh6AAoJEBoxUdDHDZVpEX8H/j5oCzGUvnfIWdy1f/awAnkf Trtsm4Me8r2D0ufxEyIZkUHugCQPUTdPqDEAlexr8ziQjy8mqNLrbvEWwwxxl4ho XstY7RZsk9gPGVYiE1bLniIZnO5e63lIyBEkM3eNgkHrO8XTPw86lBBcTcx9XDrx T00HW8J1UGDMo29SRcrnxnNVd6j+uArJXcaeSXhLAPb3xkaharF22AbTlWgQ+4s5 YIzvIfmEYMpqXbCCY+IPSVxzcpdRuHhueaFKchDfzRm01Wf77laACUg6+ZFkq/Ft
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Proposal: Lease expiry information display in My Settings - About My Computer
Thanks, the mockup covers my desire for the lease data not being part of identity. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Proposal: Lease expiry information display in My Settings - About My Computer
Hi Gary, On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Anish, I've uploaded a mockup image to the wiki [1] which covers most of the items raised in this thread: - a new security section (that should only be shown if there is lease information) - lease number of days remaining - lease absolute expiry date (date string should use correct formatting to display locale date format) Did I miss anything? Looks fine to me. Thanks! Regards, --Gary [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Settings_About_My_Computer_Security_Section_Mockup.png On 7 Aug 2012, at 17:55, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Daniel, Thanks for replying! On Tuesday 07 August 2012 10:12 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.com wrote: One problem they were also trying to get around in Paraguay is that during vacations, the kids don't go to the schools and hence the leases expire. If the kids also know about this information, then they can easily make sure that they don't get 'locked out' You'd hope that the project would make provisions for long-enough leases to be supplied before the vacations. But I can see the use for this for when that doesn't happen (which is understandable given high workloads and so on). Talking more with the team in Nicaragua, this functionality would be useful for them too. Similar situations are occuring here where laptops were activated for a certain amount of time, with the strong expectation that internet connectivity would become available in the schools before the activations expire (so that they can be automatically updated/renewed). These expectations look like they won't turn out to be true :( So a manual activation update process will happen and the ability for someone less-technical to be able to quickly check whether this manual update process has completed OK would be of value (that would be the person's only contact with activations - we aren't expecting them to be able to solve any problems if the results are bad, other than report up the chain). This is exactly the kind of clear info that should have been in the feature page in the first place. Sorry for not doing it earlier. Anyway, the use cases you describe in your mail don't seem to be described on the feature page. Could you please extend the feature page to go into more detail about this? I'll then add the above local case if its of interest. +1 Why is the proposal to show the number of days remaining? Yes, I remember discussing specifically this with Roberto (PyEduca Technical head) back in Dec 2010, and my suggestion was exactly the same (to display the date). However, as per them (and I know this is not a rational explanation), they wanted us to display no of days remaining. The Nicaraguan team have expressed a strong preference that this should (instead, or additionally) display the expiry date. When dealing with long duration activations, which is often the case (until good connectivity is established), having a teacher phone up and say there are 137 days remaining (and then having to calculate the day of expiry in order to put an appropriately timed school visit on the calendar) would be a pain. I agree with this, and since I cannot seem to remember exactly why they wanted it to display in terms of no. of days remaining, I'll ping them or we can go with this. Since this feature is only relevant for the XO at the moment, making use of the bitfrost API would be acceptable to me, but I don't see a lot wrong here by parsing the lease.sig directly. This file is supposed to be automatically generated/updated in normal use cases. Are you planning to parse sig02 (delegated leases) by hand as well? What if the lease is corrupt in some way? I can see myself objecting to any implementation of this that doesn't reuse bitfrost. It takes care of all of the corner cases and will avoid code duplication. Again, it seemed to solve the use case we had in Paraguay, and the idea behind upstreaming a feature is that it goes through this process of review. I am up for changing the code to use the bitfrost api. It should not be complex (if it's adequately documented somewhere). Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel - -- Anish Mangal Dextrose Project Manager Activity Central -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQIUh6AAoJEBoxUdDHDZVpEX8H/j5oCzGUvnfIWdy1f/awAnkf Trtsm4Me8r2D0ufxEyIZkUHugCQPUTdPqDEAlexr8ziQjy8mqNLrbvEWwwxxl4ho XstY7RZsk9gPGVYiE1bLniIZnO5e63lIyBEkM3eNgkHrO8XTPw86lBBcTcx9XDrx T00HW8J1UGDMo29SRcrnxnNVd6j+uArJXcaeSXhLAPb3xkaharF22AbTlWgQ+4s5
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Proposal: Lease expiry information display in My Settings - About My Computer
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.com wrote: One problem they were also trying to get around in Paraguay is that during vacations, the kids don't go to the schools and hence the leases expire. If the kids also know about this information, then they can easily make sure that they don't get 'locked out' You'd hope that the project would make provisions for long-enough leases to be supplied before the vacations. But I can see the use for this for when that doesn't happen (which is understandable given high workloads and so on). Talking more with the team in Nicaragua, this functionality would be useful for them too. Similar situations are occuring here where laptops were activated for a certain amount of time, with the strong expectation that internet connectivity would become available in the schools before the activations expire (so that they can be automatically updated/renewed). These expectations look like they won't turn out to be true :( So a manual activation update process will happen and the ability for someone less-technical to be able to quickly check whether this manual update process has completed OK would be of value (that would be the person's only contact with activations - we aren't expecting them to be able to solve any problems if the results are bad, other than report up the chain). Anyway, the use cases you describe in your mail don't seem to be described on the feature page. Could you please extend the feature page to go into more detail about this? I'll then add the above local case if its of interest. Why is the proposal to show the number of days remaining? The Nicaraguan team have expressed a strong preference that this should (instead, or additionally) display the expiry date. When dealing with long duration activations, which is often the case (until good connectivity is established), having a teacher phone up and say there are 137 days remaining (and then having to calculate the day of expiry in order to put an appropriately timed school visit on the calendar) would be a pain. Since this feature is only relevant for the XO at the moment, making use of the bitfrost API would be acceptable to me, but I don't see a lot wrong here by parsing the lease.sig directly. This file is supposed to be automatically generated/updated in normal use cases. Are you planning to parse sig02 (delegated leases) by hand as well? What if the lease is corrupt in some way? I can see myself objecting to any implementation of this that doesn't reuse bitfrost. It takes care of all of the corner cases and will avoid code duplication. Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Proposal: Lease expiry information display in My Settings - About My Computer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Daniel, Thanks for replying! On Tuesday 07 August 2012 10:12 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.com wrote: One problem they were also trying to get around in Paraguay is that during vacations, the kids don't go to the schools and hence the leases expire. If the kids also know about this information, then they can easily make sure that they don't get 'locked out' You'd hope that the project would make provisions for long-enough leases to be supplied before the vacations. But I can see the use for this for when that doesn't happen (which is understandable given high workloads and so on). Talking more with the team in Nicaragua, this functionality would be useful for them too. Similar situations are occuring here where laptops were activated for a certain amount of time, with the strong expectation that internet connectivity would become available in the schools before the activations expire (so that they can be automatically updated/renewed). These expectations look like they won't turn out to be true :( So a manual activation update process will happen and the ability for someone less-technical to be able to quickly check whether this manual update process has completed OK would be of value (that would be the person's only contact with activations - we aren't expecting them to be able to solve any problems if the results are bad, other than report up the chain). This is exactly the kind of clear info that should have been in the feature page in the first place. Sorry for not doing it earlier. Anyway, the use cases you describe in your mail don't seem to be described on the feature page. Could you please extend the feature page to go into more detail about this? I'll then add the above local case if its of interest. +1 Why is the proposal to show the number of days remaining? Yes, I remember discussing specifically this with Roberto (PyEduca Technical head) back in Dec 2010, and my suggestion was exactly the same (to display the date). However, as per them (and I know this is not a rational explanation), they wanted us to display no of days remaining. The Nicaraguan team have expressed a strong preference that this should (instead, or additionally) display the expiry date. When dealing with long duration activations, which is often the case (until good connectivity is established), having a teacher phone up and say there are 137 days remaining (and then having to calculate the day of expiry in order to put an appropriately timed school visit on the calendar) would be a pain. I agree with this, and since I cannot seem to remember exactly why they wanted it to display in terms of no. of days remaining, I'll ping them or we can go with this. Since this feature is only relevant for the XO at the moment, making use of the bitfrost API would be acceptable to me, but I don't see a lot wrong here by parsing the lease.sig directly. This file is supposed to be automatically generated/updated in normal use cases. Are you planning to parse sig02 (delegated leases) by hand as well? What if the lease is corrupt in some way? I can see myself objecting to any implementation of this that doesn't reuse bitfrost. It takes care of all of the corner cases and will avoid code duplication. Again, it seemed to solve the use case we had in Paraguay, and the idea behind upstreaming a feature is that it goes through this process of review. I am up for changing the code to use the bitfrost api. It should not be complex (if it's adequately documented somewhere). Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel - -- Anish Mangal Dextrose Project Manager Activity Central -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQIUh6AAoJEBoxUdDHDZVpEX8H/j5oCzGUvnfIWdy1f/awAnkf Trtsm4Me8r2D0ufxEyIZkUHugCQPUTdPqDEAlexr8ziQjy8mqNLrbvEWwwxxl4ho XstY7RZsk9gPGVYiE1bLniIZnO5e63lIyBEkM3eNgkHrO8XTPw86lBBcTcx9XDrx T00HW8J1UGDMo29SRcrnxnNVd6j+uArJXcaeSXhLAPb3xkaharF22AbTlWgQ+4s5 YIzvIfmEYMpqXbCCY+IPSVxzcpdRuHhueaFKchDfzRm01Wf77laACUg6+ZFkq/Ft 9ChV1LNekysQwf+yCZ9dB9HZdfIjjJ4m1WjrPhrQtqruevs9/nglTp2djqsPU00= =QHV1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Proposal: Lease expiry information display in My Settings - About My Computer
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.com wrote: Why is the proposal to show the number of days remaining? Yes, I remember discussing specifically this with Roberto (PyEduca Technical head) back in Dec 2010, and my suggestion was exactly the same (to display the date). However, as per them (and I know this is not a rational explanation), they wanted us to display no of days remaining. Is there any limitation on displaying the information in both terms? Days remaining and expiration date? Just speculating about how I would mentally process such information, my guess is that more than two weeks out, I'd look at the date, less that two weeks out, I'd look at the days remaining. cjl ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Proposal: Lease expiry information display in My Settings - About My Computer
On this point, the code seems to not behave you describe above. Testing on an XO-1, the DX3 build 143 International, I see an item in the Identity section saying Lease: Not available. The wording Not available suggests something is missing from my XO when actually this machine does not need a lease, and is unsecured, this line of information should not be displayed at all to the user. Yes, that is correct. That change will be made when the code is ported over to mainline. Maybe you can put this information in a Security section instead of Identity, and show it only if needed? Gonzalo ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Proposal: Lease expiry information display in My Settings - About My Computer
On 2 Aug 2012, at 12:50, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: On this point, the code seems to not behave you describe above. Testing on an XO-1, the DX3 build 143 International, I see an item in the Identity section saying Lease: Not available. The wording Not available suggests something is missing from my XO when actually this machine does not need a lease, and is unsecured, this line of information should not be displayed at all to the user. Yes, that is correct. That change will be made when the code is ported over to mainline. Maybe you can put this information in a Security section instead of Identity, and show it only if needed? +1, sounds like a reasonable choice. Could also be a fair place for future patches to add security related information on things like root access available/unavailable, OFW prompt enabled/disabled, signed/unsigned build. --Gary Gonzalo ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Proposal: Lease expiry information display in My Settings - About My Computer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 19 July 2012 08:26 PM, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: Personally I think this would be a reasonable feature. But prior to this discussion I have never heard of the word expiry before. In US English the synonym expiration tends to be used much more often. I do not know what the preferred international form is. I don't really know what the correct English would be, but expiration sounds okay to me too. In India, we often use the word expiry, but could be a common mistake :-) - -- Anish --- SJG On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Rafael Ortiz raf...@activitycentral.com mailto:raf...@activitycentral.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.com mailto:an...@activitycentral.com wrote: Hi, I would like to propose a feature for discussion and inclusion in the 0.98 cycle. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Lease_Information_Display This feature, which has been tested to work on 0.94 based dextrose-3 builds, displays information relating to lease expiry in the about my computer section in the my settings menu. This feature is valuable for support staff in deployments which use OLPC's security system built on the XO laptops, and was specifically requested by the OLPC deployment in Paraguay. Please go through the feature page for a more in-depth explanation and a screenshot. Looking forward to discussion and answering queries. +1 to me, it's been used in dextrose w/o problems. Cheers, Anish ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQGYAWAAoJEBoxUdDHDZVpWecH/25z/7nHa74cK6CZTiS4CU9h oVWrv1Y1qmXE1sEZ0/0Tri4zfcrQxq/zIxLxfAKLziVbTtwB1PxGo+E3z2o0CoIH wNhOB+vFVXeRxlttCzhqoKujenGvWM7DY5EZHcV5tt3gOuctflVlD3j/7aw+lO+u GeThh+lyMFz1vLvHc3BaQdTQUldx36an5CB8QAqL3gIWeKX+9uXW8UcGu4AUT+p2 U+hv/X/ANPIKqgA8NLAKSWkWLqDMQXB6DqKPHRzp9UM4jFcPB29WUBlq1K77GAFh GwSYVVBxi9uQOcKrA+JjXV7k+uVTjrcGCa7crLPhLPg5UlJDlYlIYRbYOYnNmqs= =vhzJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Proposal: Lease expiry information display in My Settings - About My Computer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 20 July 2012 04:05 AM, James Cameron wrote: I don't think it should be in a section titled Identity, because it isn't an identifier, and is only related to serial number because of implementation details. Your probably right. IIRC the idea was to make that information visible alongside the Serial Number. Does it make sense to move it to Software? I don't want to rename the sections because this feature should only be visible when the lease file is actually present. I don't wish to constrain your creativity by saying how to fix that though. I'm sure you can imagine many alternatives. - -- Anish Mangal Sugar Labs -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQGYKjAAoJEBoxUdDHDZVpA+cH/2tT8rDzqoN3GPZbJhrU+fvR bRMw2sDwi+GHw+57WikzKygjeBBiEriKITO9gCtzyNgrQDz6leYTh4RHV2Iva5XK r+XGHIs1g1UN66aM6KicdocEEJzAX8ClE44uvyli1bc+q4D2dXtHyHguMeEc+H+0 n+LQAiaR3HeBSx2bCwvXIchwJvIvIj0+GDYCCfbE2yMCzUI1yuVSUx/f880Ucvod 8+fa9Q4d3CATcHdz0wgpGcKw2By2ETjSlMkMuMeJbgivFh7OdMvu3T/4IBi0wz2O q94j6gKpEAIDHGn7UeYYFU7W9UebtRRcgg1VEy58w8fa4lrl0ySxd/mZkTnyCUY= =iZ6m -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Proposal: Lease expiry information display in My Settings - About My Computer
On 1 Aug 2012, at 20:14, Anish Mangal wrote: On Thursday 19 July 2012 08:26 PM, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: Personally I think this would be a reasonable feature. But prior to this discussion I have never heard of the word expiry before. In US English the synonym expiration tends to be used much more often. I do not know what the preferred international form is. I don't really know what the correct English would be, but expiration sounds okay to me too. In India, we often use the word expiry, but could be a common mistake :-) FWIW (which isn't much) I think expiry is the normal British English usage, and expiration sounds odd. The British English form is still pretty common in other dialects, particularly where the British influence continued past (say) 1776 or thereabouts... Which is more common I could not say. I imagine both forms are understood... ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Proposal: Lease expiry information display in My Settings - About My Computer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 02 August 2012 04:30 AM, Gary Martin wrote: On 1 Aug 2012, at 20:25, Anish Mangal an...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Friday 20 July 2012 04:05 AM, James Cameron wrote: I don't think it should be in a section titled Identity, because it isn't an identifier, and is only related to serial number because of implementation details. Your probably right. IIRC the idea was to make that information visible alongside the Serial Number. Does it make sense to move it to Software? I don't have a strong objection to it being in Identity, but then again, I am not aware of many of the implementation details of the code behind it – also likely true for most folks reading it in the field. If it moves to Software, perhaps it should go below the Firmware line? James is that more inkeeping with the implementation? The other option is for a new Lease section below the Identity section. I don't want to rename the sections because this feature should only be visible when the lease file is actually present. On this point, the code seems to not behave you describe above. Testing on an XO-1, the DX3 build 143 International, I see an item in the Identity section saying Lease: Not available. The wording Not available suggests something is missing from my XO when actually this machine does not need a lease, and is unsecured, this line of information should not be displayed at all to the user. Yes, that is correct. That change will be made when the code is ported over to mainline. Regards, --Gary I don't wish to constrain your creativity by saying how to fix that though. I'm sure you can imagine many alternatives. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel - -- Anish Mangal Sugar Labs -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQGdpRAAoJEBoxUdDHDZVpQYIH/11UXRL+4PY23ijV9CoL0Ph6 7vexudcSbOrVNSnPCzFOaKpu9tYxSP8nYmv4S0X8KEGi4PbyAJG5O2vDb67A71SK TgbGXPqdx6FIa/i+n0axl46DAn21vQLzUQp+wFT9GvgtiBqVJW8iM/T9PlRD8phP RldsRei0jbA4AdxSHLhjyQypiE7Lcnio6FYAhrW0sYeydVLyXOpCSkv4XyQFcL5t /liB5bKs1YX9EirFJPJURuKKGWmQ/GC//uk3vmWKV+KaBJwE9koirNU4OvjSwNVX g51nmt1LwXbmYDtDWgYeUm+5hUPWbjxsFRskgW1Zgedo44XSpYz5r0DVhFzbT6I= =Xr6U -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Proposal: Lease expiry information display in My Settings - About My Computer
On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 12:55:23AM +0530, Anish Mangal wrote: Your probably right. IIRC the idea was to make that information visible alongside the Serial Number. And what I'm saying is that the lease expiry does in no way identify a system, so it should not be in a section with a title Identity. Does it make sense to move it to Software? No. I don't want to rename the sections because this feature should only be visible when the lease file is actually present. In other words, you do not want to fix the problems with the section titles. I understand that. But you did ask for review. Looking again at the About my Computer panel, there are other inconsistencies: - the Build in the Software section shows the hardware model, (hardware model should not be in a Software section), - the Build shows both the OLPC OS version _and_ the build number, - the version of Fedora is not shown, I think the Identity section might change to Hardware, and move the hardware model up there from Build. Here's a suggested layout: Hardware Manufacturer: OLPC Model: XO-1.5 Serial Number: SHC952A Firmware: System: Q3C09 Wireless: 9.70.20.p0 Software: Release: 12.1.0 Build: 18 Distribution: FedoraVersion: 17 Sugar: 0.96.2 The panel already has a scroll bar to fit the Fill license item in. On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 12:00:19AM +0100, Gary Martin wrote: If it moves to Software, perhaps it should go below the Firmware line? James is that more inkeeping with the implementation? The other option is for a new Lease section below the Identity section. It need not be in keeping with the implementation, that was my original point. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Proposal: Lease expiry information display in My Settings - About My Computer
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.com wrote: I would like to propose a feature for discussion and inclusion in the 0.98 cycle. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Lease_Information_Display This feature is valuable for support staff in deployments which use OLPC's security system built on the XO laptops, and was specifically requested by the OLPC deployment in Paraguay. I read the feature page, and I don't really understand the use case or problem that needs to be solved. I'm not convinced that changing sugar is the right answer, especially when this only affects support staff, not regular users. The feature page discusses the case when the lease has expired, but this seems like quite the corner case to me. Assuming that XO laptops are booted and shutdown on a daily basis, this bit of information would only be shown when the following happens: - The XO is booted in the morning - The lease expires shortly after boot - A support staff member happens to pick up that laptop that same day, before the laptop gets shut down, and opens About my computer Any member of support staff that deals with leases is going to need to be a little bit familiar with the lease.sig format and location. So running cat /security/lease.sig at the terminal can show the same information - its a little bit technical, but again, familiarity is required for this role anyway. For the rare occasions when leases need to be checked, running this command at a terminal suffices here in Nicaragua at least. It is harder to read the expiry of a sig02 lease from catting the file, but as far as I know those aren't used in Paraguay. If the format is too difficult then perhaps a command line tool in bitfrost would be a better solution. From a technical perspective, the implementation would need to either be quite hacky (parsing lease.sig directly) or use bitfrost. Using bitfrost libraries would be OK but the feature page should note that this now becomes a dependency of sugar. Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Proposal: Lease expiry information display in My Settings - About My Computer
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.comwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I would like to propose a feature for discussion and inclusion in the 0.98 cycle. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Lease_Information_Display This feature, which has been tested to work on 0.94 based dextrose-3 builds, displays information relating to lease expiry in the about my computer section in the my settings menu. This feature is valuable for support staff in deployments which use OLPC's security system built on the XO laptops, and was specifically requested by the OLPC deployment in Paraguay. Please go through the feature page for a more in-depth explanation and a screenshot. Looking forward to discussion and answering queries. +1 to me, it's been used in dextrose w/o problems. Cheers, Anish -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQBvtoAAoJEBoxUdDHDZVp/MkH/R8FAidMLuPlxGzZ+kqJvInY 7ZW+pDwNjunZv8NVEQ7iRyVgupti7/n5ENuME4HOQNj7Wb3LrOF08yF/jBfBhrKW kUp3MJtMQ3zHM2HcVHwwA4v/LcQC6kVwePWvQSPodkqVhZuNPIYfajyOfYB7vK6H +9xRKP3O6cFb9sVJZFdpSCNg0hiqPcreZbROOYL/XY6zQZ5pjlIEvsTRcdRa+dfg MYGzIo04n42MMVZIFgo8kXCjUlj1MhPecGiQ9W6ChSGd4kyR0VALlO78yncsfFRF wfKge/R0qTZKIs0DqvsIhA6Z2E953E/im0bvpjktkuQ1CKEs2P9/s/87CVepDQg= =lBtG -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Proposal: Lease expiry information display in My Settings - About My Computer
Personally I think this would be a reasonable feature. But prior to this discussion I have never heard of the word expiry before. In US English the synonym expiration tends to be used much more often. I do not know what the preferred international form is. --- SJG On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Rafael Ortiz raf...@activitycentral.comwrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.comwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I would like to propose a feature for discussion and inclusion in the 0.98 cycle. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Lease_Information_Display This feature, which has been tested to work on 0.94 based dextrose-3 builds, displays information relating to lease expiry in the about my computer section in the my settings menu. This feature is valuable for support staff in deployments which use OLPC's security system built on the XO laptops, and was specifically requested by the OLPC deployment in Paraguay. Please go through the feature page for a more in-depth explanation and a screenshot. Looking forward to discussion and answering queries. +1 to me, it's been used in dextrose w/o problems. Cheers, Anish -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQBvtoAAoJEBoxUdDHDZVp/MkH/R8FAidMLuPlxGzZ+kqJvInY 7ZW+pDwNjunZv8NVEQ7iRyVgupti7/n5ENuME4HOQNj7Wb3LrOF08yF/jBfBhrKW kUp3MJtMQ3zHM2HcVHwwA4v/LcQC6kVwePWvQSPodkqVhZuNPIYfajyOfYB7vK6H +9xRKP3O6cFb9sVJZFdpSCNg0hiqPcreZbROOYL/XY6zQZ5pjlIEvsTRcdRa+dfg MYGzIo04n42MMVZIFgo8kXCjUlj1MhPecGiQ9W6ChSGd4kyR0VALlO78yncsfFRF wfKge/R0qTZKIs0DqvsIhA6Z2E953E/im0bvpjktkuQ1CKEs2P9/s/87CVepDQg= =lBtG -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Proposal: Lease expiry information display in My Settings - About My Computer
I don't think it should be in a section titled Identity, because it isn't an identifier, and is only related to serial number because of implementation details. I don't wish to constrain your creativity by saying how to fix that though. I'm sure you can imagine many alternatives. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
