Re: [Sugar-devel] time for a design meeting?
Excerpts from Walter Bender's message of Sat Feb 12 02:26:21 +0100 2011: Thanks. This is very helpful. I have a couple of additional topics: one trivial and one that needs some discussion. [...] I took the liberty of collecting the requested topics on the wiki page [1] and arranging them according to urgency (i.e. 0.92 vs. later) and guesstimated time it will take to discuss them: Topics for 0.92: * Size issue with icons in Random Layout (Home View) (walterbender) * Speaker frame device: pop up palette on left-click instead of toggling mute (silbe) * Don't hide Register menu item upon successful registration (silbe) * Journal entries on external media: [http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2011-February/029848.html Invalidate preview] if the data file was changed? (silbe) * Remove 'Keep' Button: Replace by 'copy to' functionality in the Journal (erikos) ** Alternative (if we can't agree on removing it): rename 'Keep' to 'Keep Copy' (silbe) * Move more activities to the new toolbar (erikos) I expect the 0.92 topics to take up all our time and would prefer to schedule another meeting for the remaining topics. If, however, we have still plenty of time left, we could start discussing some near-future changes: Topics for 0.94+: * CPU and memory resource indicator for the Frame (silbe) * Activity startup in the Home View: Introduce new concept to distinguish between 'start new' vs 'resume' (erikos) * Replace Naming Alert: a) switch to Journal detail view b) option in the activity toolbar to do a description and tags (erikos) * Control Panel [http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2011-February/thread.html#29827 rework] (erikos) * Frame: Expand hot corner on the upper left to be the entire grid cell (big enough for finger) (walterbender) Sascha [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Meetings#Upcoming_IRC_meeting:_Sunday_13_February_2011_16:00_UTC -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] time for a design meeting?
On 02/09/2011 11:20 AM, Walter Bender wrote: There are a few design roadblocks in the race to 0.92 that could use some input from the design team. Any chance we could have a meeting some time soon? I could probably get on line from Lima on Sunday some time if that works. regards. -walter Hi Walter, I can not attend the meeting, but here are the issues I am aware off: (derived from [1]): * Move more activities to the new toolbar * Don't hide Register menu item upon successful registration Introduction: The reset registration to the school server has a long history [2][3]. The patch that landed in master is based on a request from a deployment (re-register after an XS crash), other use cases are to connect to another school server (different school). Another deployment recently requested to hide the item altogether because they're apparently doing the registration automatically in some way. To consider in the design discussion is as well the lack of feedback when registering [4]. Todo: We should describe the use cases and then find a good way of fixing this issue. This would be best handled by an email discussion streamlined in a Feature page [5]. * CPU and memory resource indicator for the frame - Master work I want to move on with these items. The first two have been discussed already. # Activity startup in the Home View: Introduce new concept to distinguish between 'start new' vs 'resume', previous discussion [6] Gary's design: introducing a selector [7] (I like that a lot). # Replace Naming Alert: a) switch to Journal detail view b) option in the activity toolbar to do a description and tags, discussion at the design team meeting, previous discussion [8] # Remove 'Keep As' Button: Replace by 'copy to' functionality in the Journal [9] Regards, Simon [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2011-February/029848.html [2] Reset registration form school server (long term): http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7765 [3] Reset registration form school server (0.84): http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9725 [4] Feedback when register with school server: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10678 [5] Feature Policy: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Policy [6] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/0.88_Meeting#Resume.2FStart_new_on_the_Home_View [7] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Sugar_resume_vs_start_new.jpg [8] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/0.88_Meeting#Write_to_Journal_anytime [9] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Journal-04.jpeg ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] time for a design meeting?
Thanks. This is very helpful. I have a couple of additional topics: one trivial and one that needs some discussion. 1. Trivial: as per #2592, there is an issue with size of the icons on the Random view. When I introduced the spiral, I increased the maximum icon size to Medium when there are few icons on the screen. Random forces these icons to Standard size. So should Random change the size of the icons? If so, to what size? 2. It is clear that we have some issues with invoking the hot corners to invoke the Frame under certain conditions: touch, VMs where Sugar is not run at full screen, and in situations where there is a flakey touch screen. We've added F6 to remind this under some circumstances (but it isn't always a help, e.g., on a tablet.) I propose expanding the hot corner on the upper left to be the entire grid in that corner -- big enough to hit with a finger or with a cursor that would otherwise slide off the edge of the window. -walter On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: On 02/09/2011 11:20 AM, Walter Bender wrote: There are a few design roadblocks in the race to 0.92 that could use some input from the design team. Any chance we could have a meeting some time soon? I could probably get on line from Lima on Sunday some time if that works. regards. -walter Hi Walter, I can not attend the meeting, but here are the issues I am aware off: (derived from [1]): * Move more activities to the new toolbar * Don't hide Register menu item upon successful registration Introduction: The reset registration to the school server has a long history [2][3]. The patch that landed in master is based on a request from a deployment (re-register after an XS crash), other use cases are to connect to another school server (different school). Another deployment recently requested to hide the item altogether because they're apparently doing the registration automatically in some way. To consider in the design discussion is as well the lack of feedback when registering [4]. Todo: We should describe the use cases and then find a good way of fixing this issue. This would be best handled by an email discussion streamlined in a Feature page [5]. * CPU and memory resource indicator for the frame - Master work I want to move on with these items. The first two have been discussed already. # Activity startup in the Home View: Introduce new concept to distinguish between 'start new' vs 'resume', previous discussion [6] Gary's design: introducing a selector [7] (I like that a lot). # Replace Naming Alert: a) switch to Journal detail view b) option in the activity toolbar to do a description and tags, discussion at the design team meeting, previous discussion [8] # Remove 'Keep As' Button: Replace by 'copy to' functionality in the Journal [9] Regards, Simon [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2011-February/029848.html [2] Reset registration form school server (long term): http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7765 [3] Reset registration form school server (0.84): http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9725 [4] Feedback when register with school server: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10678 [5] Feature Policy: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Policy [6] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/0.88_Meeting#Resume.2FStart_new_on_the_Home_View [7] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Sugar_resume_vs_start_new.jpg [8] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/0.88_Meeting#Write_to_Journal_anytime [9] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Journal-04.jpeg ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] time for a design meeting?
Excerpts from Christian Marc Schmidt's message of Thu Feb 10 04:23:19 +0100 2011: Great, talk to you Sunday at 11 EST! That's 2011-02-13 16:00 UTC, right? Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] time for a design meeting?
On 10 Feb 2011, at 09:34, Sascha Silbe si...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Excerpts from Christian Marc Schmidt's message of Thu Feb 10 04:23:19 +0100 2011: Great, talk to you Sunday at 11 EST! That's 2011-02-13 16:00 UTC, right? Yes 16:00 UTC. --G Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] time for a design meeting?
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Sascha Silbe si...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Excerpts from Christian Marc Schmidt's message of Thu Feb 10 04:23:19 +0100 2011: Great, talk to you Sunday at 11 EST! That's 2011-02-13 16:00 UTC, right? correct. -walter Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] time for a design meeting?
There are a few design roadblocks in the race to 0.92 that could use some input from the design team. Any chance we could have a meeting some time soon? I could probably get on line from Lima on Sunday some time if that works. regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] time for a design meeting?
Absolutely--Sunday should work for me. Let me know what time you'd like to meet... Christian On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: There are a few design roadblocks in the race to 0.92 that could use some input from the design team. Any chance we could have a meeting some time soon? I could probably get on line from Lima on Sunday some time if that works. regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/christianmarcschmidt http://twitter.com/cms_ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] time for a design meeting?
Hi Walter, On 9 Feb 2011, at 16:20, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: There are a few design roadblocks in the race to 0.92 that could use some input from the design team. Any chance we could have a meeting some time soon? I could probably get on line from Lima on Sunday some time if that works. Yes I think I can make Sunday as well, let me know a good time for you. --Gary regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] time for a design meeting?
How about 12 EST (17UTC) in #sugar-meeting? -walter On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Walter, On 9 Feb 2011, at 16:20, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: There are a few design roadblocks in the race to 0.92 that could use some input from the design team. Any chance we could have a meeting some time soon? I could probably get on line from Lima on Sunday some time if that works. Yes I think I can make Sunday as well, let me know a good time for you. --Gary regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] time for a design meeting?
I think I can make that work, but is any earlier a possibility? Say around 11 EST? Christian On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: How about 12 EST (17UTC) in #sugar-meeting? -walter On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Walter, On 9 Feb 2011, at 16:20, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: There are a few design roadblocks in the race to 0.92 that could use some input from the design team. Any chance we could have a meeting some time soon? I could probably get on line from Lima on Sunday some time if that works. Yes I think I can make Sunday as well, let me know a good time for you. --Gary regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/christianmarcschmidt http://twitter.com/cms_ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] time for a design meeting?
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: I think I can make that work, but is any earlier a possibility? Say around 11 EST? Works for me. Any time after about 10am should be good for me as long as my travel connections work at all as scheduled. -walter Christian On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: How about 12 EST (17UTC) in #sugar-meeting? -walter On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Walter, On 9 Feb 2011, at 16:20, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: There are a few design roadblocks in the race to 0.92 that could use some input from the design team. Any chance we could have a meeting some time soon? I could probably get on line from Lima on Sunday some time if that works. Yes I think I can make Sunday as well, let me know a good time for you. --Gary regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/christianmarcschmidt http://twitter.com/cms_ -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] time for a design meeting?
On 9 Feb 2011, at 19:55, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: I think I can make that work, but is any earlier a possibility? Say around 11 EST? Works for me. Any time after about 10am should be good for me as long as my travel connections work at all as scheduled. Sounds good, catch you Sunday. --Gary -walter Christian On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: How about 12 EST (17UTC) in #sugar-meeting? -walter On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Walter, On 9 Feb 2011, at 16:20, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: There are a few design roadblocks in the race to 0.92 that could use some input from the design team. Any chance we could have a meeting some time soon? I could probably get on line from Lima on Sunday some time if that works. Yes I think I can make Sunday as well, let me know a good time for you. --Gary regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/christianmarcschmidt http://twitter.com/cms_ -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] time for a design meeting?
Great, talk to you Sunday at 11 EST! Christian On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.comwrote: On 9 Feb 2011, at 19:55, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: I think I can make that work, but is any earlier a possibility? Say around 11 EST? Works for me. Any time after about 10am should be good for me as long as my travel connections work at all as scheduled. Sounds good, catch you Sunday. --Gary -walter Christian On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: How about 12 EST (17UTC) in #sugar-meeting? -walter On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Walter, On 9 Feb 2011, at 16:20, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: There are a few design roadblocks in the race to 0.92 that could use some input from the design team. Any chance we could have a meeting some time soon? I could probably get on line from Lima on Sunday some time if that works. Yes I think I can make Sunday as well, let me know a good time for you. --Gary regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/christianmarcschmidt http://twitter.com/cms_ -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/christianmarcschmidt http://twitter.com/cms_ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
