re: where are the women
Greetings fellow dialists, I'm just back from a society conference at the National Oceanographic Centre in Southampton. Women were all about and contributing. I checked and found that of the 21 officers and council members of the society 10 were women, and all of them professional oceanographers. Maybe we dialists are in the wrong subject:-) Frank 55N 1W --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
RE: Where are the women?
Hi all, And me; I have posted a few comments on the site. I am otherwise rather busy being membership secretary of the British Sundial Society as well as also making small silver dials www.silversundials.co.uk. I also painted a large dial on the front of our house; a task many people thought my husband did. Dont women climb scaffolding? I think I am also correct that of the last 4 BSS sundial design competitions, 3 have been won by women. Best wishes Jackie Jackie Jones 50° 50 09 N.0° 07 40 W. PS How about more folk telling us where they are? From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Len Berggren Sent: 10 March 2011 23:46 To: Schechner, Sara Cc: Sundial List Subject: Re: Where are the women? As Sara points out, it is certainly false that there are no women actively engaged with sundials. But it is true that few women participate in the dialogues on our list. And it is also true that men are much more in evidence as active dialists (as opposed to long-suffeing spouses of dialists!) at the meetings of national societies that I have attended. It would be interesting to know, however, what percentages of the membership of various national sundial societies are women. Whatever the numbers I would certainly not draw any inferences from them about the procilivity of either sex for abstract thinking. But the results might get us thinking what we could do to encourage women to participate. Do women members of the list have any thoughts on this? -Len Berggren On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Schechner, Sara sche...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Hey, hey, I just wrote in to the list a day ago. JBut Ill grant you that some of us are rather quiet online because we are too busy with other thingslike cataloguing sundials in museums. Sara (a woman last I checked) Sara J. Schechner, Ph.D. David P. Wheatland Curator of the Collection of Historical Scientific Instruments Department of the History of Science, Harvard University Science Center 251c, 1 Oxford Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 Tel: 617-496-9542 | Fax: 617-496-5932 | sche...@fas.harvard.edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hsdept/chsi.html From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Marcelo Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:13 PM To: Sundial List Subject: Where are the women? I've just noticed that, as long as I remember, there is no female participation in this mailing list. As I study in the Astronomical and Geophysical Institute at the University of Sao Paulo, where we lack not of the gracious presence of women - there are more men here, but women are expressive too - I strange their absence from our astronomical inquiries and conversations. Maybe there is some truth in that old cliché of men being more prone to math and abstration than them? --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial -- J. L. Berggren Professor Emeritus Department of Mathematics Simon Fraser University University Dr. Burnaby, B.C. V5A 1S6 phone: 604-936-2268 fax: 604-936-2168 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1497/3497 - Release Date: 03/10/11 --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
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I'm glad to discover there are so many women here, and specially for having found Mrs. Schechner in the list. A member sent her article about sundials, published in the Journal for the History of Astronomy. I liked it very much. And the text about the difficulties for women scientists is pretty interesting. 2011/3/12 Jackie Jones jac...@waitrose.com Hi all, And me; I have posted a few comments on the site. I am otherwise rather busy being membership secretary of the British Sundial Society as well as also making small silver dials – www.silversundials.co.uk. I also painted a large dial on the front of our house; a task many people thought my husband did. Don’t women climb scaffolding? I think I am also correct that of the last 4 BSS sundial design competitions, 3 have been won by women. Best wishes Jackie Jackie Jones 50° 50’ 09” N.0° 07’ 40” W. PS How about more folk telling us where they are? *From:* sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] *On Behalf Of *Len Berggren *Sent:* 10 March 2011 23:46 *To:* Schechner, Sara *Cc:* Sundial List *Subject:* Re: Where are the women? As Sara points out, it is certainly false that there are no women actively engaged with sundials. But it is true that few women participate in the dialogues on our list. And it is also true that men are much more in evidence as active dialists (as opposed to long-suffeing spouses of dialists!) at the meetings of national societies that I have attended. It would be interesting to know, however, what percentages of the membership of various national sundial societies are women. Whatever the numbers I would certainly not draw any inferences from them about the procilivity of either sex for abstract thinking. But the results might get us thinking what we could do to encourage women to participate. Do women members of the list have any thoughts on this? -Len Berggren On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Schechner, Sara sche...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Hey, hey, I just wrote in to the list a day ago. JBut I’ll grant you that some of us are rather quiet online because we are too busy with other things—like cataloguing sundials in museums. Sara (a woman last I checked) *Sara J. Schechner, Ph.D. * David P. Wheatland Curator of the Collection of Historical Scientific Instruments Department of the History of Science, Harvard University Science Center 251c, 1 Oxford Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 Tel: 617-496-9542 | Fax: 617-496-5932 | sche...@fas.harvard.edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hsdept/chsi.html *From:* sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] *On Behalf Of *Marcelo *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:13 PM *To:* Sundial List *Subject:* Where are the women? I've just noticed that, as long as I remember, there is no female participation in this mailing list. As I study in the Astronomical and Geophysical Institute at the University of Sao Paulo, where we lack not of the gracious presence of women - there are more men here, but women are expressive too - I strange their absence from our astronomical inquiries and conversations. Maybe there is some truth in that old cliché of men being more prone to math and abstration than them? --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial -- J. L. Berggren Professor Emeritus Department of Mathematics Simon Fraser University University Dr. Burnaby, B.C. V5A 1S6 phone: 604-936-2268 fax: 604-936-2168 -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1497/3497 - Release Date: 03/10/11 --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Where are the women?
Hi Jackie, I love your little portable sundials they look great. I have a passion for portable sundials as they don’t need winding just the sun. A comment with regard to your website. The instructions are great but are not correct for Australia, here the sun is to the North. Have you sold any portable sundials for the southern hemisphere? Regards, Roderick Wall. From: Jackie Jones Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:47 PM To: 'Len Berggren' ; 'Schechner, Sara' Cc: 'Sundial List' Subject: RE: Where are the women? Hi all, And me; I have posted a few comments on the site. I am otherwise rather busy being membership secretary of the British Sundial Society as well as also making small silver dials – www.silversundials.co.uk. I also painted a large dial on the front of our house; a task many people thought my husband did. Don’t women climb scaffolding? I think I am also correct that of the last 4 BSS sundial design competitions, 3 have been won by women. Best wishes Jackie Jackie Jones 50° 50’ 09” N.0° 07’ 40” W. PS How about more folk telling us where they are? From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Len Berggren Sent: 10 March 2011 23:46 To: Schechner, Sara Cc: Sundial List Subject: Re: Where are the women? As Sara points out, it is certainly false that there are no women actively engaged with sundials. But it is true that few women participate in the dialogues on our list. And it is also true that men are much more in evidence as active dialists (as opposed to long-suffeing spouses of dialists!) at the meetings of national societies that I have attended. It would be interesting to know, however, what percentages of the membership of various national sundial societies are women. Whatever the numbers I would certainly not draw any inferences from them about the procilivity of either sex for abstract thinking. But the results might get us thinking what we could do to encourage women to participate. Do women members of the list have any thoughts on this? -Len Berggren On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Schechner, Sara sche...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Hey, hey, I just wrote in to the list a day ago. JBut I’ll grant you that some of us are rather quiet online because we are too busy with other things—like cataloguing sundials in museums. Sara (a woman last I checked) Sara J. Schechner, Ph.D. David P. Wheatland Curator of the Collection of Historical Scientific Instruments Department of the History of Science, Harvard University Science Center 251c, 1 Oxford Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 Tel: 617-496-9542 | Fax: 617-496-5932 | sche...@fas.harvard.edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hsdept/chsi.html From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Marcelo Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:13 PM To: Sundial List Subject: Where are the women? I've just noticed that, as long as I remember, there is no female participation in this mailing list. As I study in the Astronomical and Geophysical Institute at the University of Sao Paulo, where we lack not of the gracious presence of women - there are more men here, but women are expressive too - I strange their absence from our astronomical inquiries and conversations. Maybe there is some truth in that old cliché of men being more prone to math and abstration than them? --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial -- J. L. Berggren Professor Emeritus Department of Mathematics Simon Fraser University University Dr. Burnaby, B.C. V5A 1S6 phone: 604-936-2268 fax: 604-936-2168 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1497/3497 - Release Date: 03/10/11 --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1498/3501 - Release Date: 03/11/11 --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Where are the women?
On 12/03/2011 11:47, Jackie Jones wrote: Hi all, And me; I have posted a few comments on the site. I am otherwise rather busy being membership secretary of the British Sundial Society as well as also making small silver dials -- www.silversundials.co.uk http://www.silversundials.co.uk. I also painted a large dial on the front of our house; a task many people thought my husband did. Don't women climb scaffolding? I think I am also correct that of the last 4 BSS sundial design competitions, 3 have been won by women. Best wishes Jackie Jackie Jones 50°50' 09 N.0°07' 40 W. PS How about more folk telling us where they are? I'm at 51:52:40 N 0:35:40 W. I don't put this in my signature because it would not be appropriate for 99 % of my emails, and I don't know of a way to have a different signature for different recipients. -- -- Richard Mallett Eaton Bray, Dunstable South Beds. UK --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
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Women are here, maybe female names are not too obvious for people speaking different languages and comunicating in english. My name is Roser wich means rosebushand is certainly a female name. Greetings to all Roser 2011/3/11 patrick_pow...@compuserve.com Well, just doing a simple count of those who title themselves Mrs, Miss and Ms (That is to say ignoring those ladies who title themselves Dr and Prof, Rev and any non-Engish titles etc) in the BSS Members list of a few months ago we have 46. That’s about 10% of the membership. Patrick --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
RE: Where are the women?
Hey, hey, I just wrote in to the list a day ago. :)But I'll grant you that some of us are rather quiet online because we are too busy with other things-like cataloguing sundials in museums. Sara (a woman last I checked) Sara J. Schechner, Ph.D. David P. Wheatland Curator of the Collection of Historical Scientific Instruments Department of the History of Science, Harvard University Science Center 251c, 1 Oxford Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 Tel: 617-496-9542 | Fax: 617-496-5932 | sche...@fas.harvard.edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hsdept/chsi.html From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Marcelo Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:13 PM To: Sundial List Subject: Where are the women? I've just noticed that, as long as I remember, there is no female participation in this mailing list. As I study in the Astronomical and Geophysical Institute at the University of Sao Paulo, where we lack not of the gracious presence of women - there are more men here, but women are expressive too - I strange their absence from our astronomical inquiries and conversations. Maybe there is some truth in that old cliché of men being more prone to math and abstration than them? --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Where are the women?
Len Please see today`s Op Ed article by Margaret Wente in the `Globe and Mail` on `The real barriers to women in science`. She concludes that the answers are not as easy as we like to think. Brian Albinson On 03/10/2011 3:46 PM, Len Berggren wrote: As Sara points out, it is certainly false that there are no women actively engaged with sundials. But it is true that few women participate in the dialogues on our list. And it is also true that men are much more in evidence as active dialists (as opposed to long-suffeing spouses of dialists!) at the meetings of national societies that I have attended. It would be interesting to know, however, what percentages of the membership of various national sundial societies are women. Whatever the numbers I would certainly not draw any inferences from them about the procilivity of either sex for abstract thinking. But the results might get us thinking what we could do to encourage women to participate. Do women members of the list have any thoughts on this? -Len Berggren On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Schechner, Sara sche...@fas.harvard.edu mailto:sche...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Hey, hey, I just wrote in to the list a day ago. J But I’ll grant you that some of us are rather quiet online because we are too busy with other things—like cataloguing sundials in museums. Sara (a woman last I checked) *Sara J. Schechner, Ph.D. * David P. Wheatland Curator of the Collection of Historical Scientific Instruments Department of the History of Science, Harvard University Science Center 251c, 1 Oxford Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 Tel: 617-496-9542 | Fax: 617-496-5932 | sche...@fas.harvard.edu mailto:sche...@fas.harvard.edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hsdept/chsi.html http://www.fas.harvard.edu/%7Ehsdept/chsi.html *From:*sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] *On Behalf Of *Marcelo *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:13 PM *To:* Sundial List *Subject:* Where are the women? I've just noticed that, as long as I remember, there is no female participation in this mailing list. As I study in the Astronomical and Geophysical Institute at the University of Sao Paulo, where we lack not of the gracious presence of women - there are more men here, but women are expressive too - I strange their absence from our astronomical inquiries and conversations. Maybe there is some truth in that old cliché of men being more prone to math and abstration than them? --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial -- J. L. Berggren Professor Emeritus Department of Mathematics Simon Fraser University University Dr. Burnaby, B.C. V5A 1S6 phone: 604-936-2268 fax: 604-936-2168 --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Where are the women?
Well, just doing a simple count of those who title themselves Mrs, Miss and Ms (That is to say ignoring those ladies who title themselves Dr and Prof, Rev etc) in the BSS Members list of a few months ago we have 46. That’s about 10% of the membership. Patrick--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Where are the women?
Way to go Sara! Cheers, John (a bloke last time I checked!) John Pickard PhD Department of Environment and Geography Macquarie University NSW 2109 Australia john.pick...@bigpond.com - Original Message - From: Schechner, Sara To: Marcelo ; Sundial List Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 10:23 AM Subject: RE: Where are the women? Hey, hey, I just wrote in to the list a day ago. JBut I'll grant you that some of us are rather quiet online because we are too busy with other things-like cataloguing sundials in museums. Sara (a woman last I checked) Sara J. Schechner, Ph.D. David P. Wheatland Curator of the Collection of Historical Scientific Instruments Department of the History of Science, Harvard University Science Center 251c, 1 Oxford Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 Tel: 617-496-9542 | Fax: 617-496-5932 | sche...@fas.harvard.edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~hsdept/chsi.html From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Marcelo Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:13 PM To: Sundial List Subject: Where are the women? I've just noticed that, as long as I remember, there is no female participation in this mailing list. As I study in the Astronomical and Geophysical Institute at the University of Sao Paulo, where we lack not of the gracious presence of women - there are more men here, but women are expressive too - I strange their absence from our astronomical inquiries and conversations. Maybe there is some truth in that old cliché of men being more prone to math and abstration than them? -- --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Where are the women?
Hi Marcelo and all, I use to teach a sundial short course here in Melbourne Australia. The students made a horizontal sundial using a slate floor tile. We used a sundial ruler to mark the hour lines etc. Using a sundial ruler means they didn’t have to know maths. There was one lady who had trouble because she couldn’t use a ruler. Going back 80 or more years not everyone went to school. But it was lovely to see all the other ladies helping her. She went home with her garden sundial. Another lady was going to make sundials to sell. After many years teaching, I also learnt something in that class. Your comment “Where are the women”. Out of all the times I ran this class there was only ever one man. I bet there would also be men who wouldn’t be able to use a ruler, but they weren't there. Advertise a short course: “Make your own sundial for your garden” and see who rolls up. My sundial short course was a 1 x 4 hour class that they paid for. The NASS also published my article that uses the sundial ruler as a digital extra. Maybe using sundial rulers would be good to introduce students to sundials. Regard, Roderick Wall. From: Marcelo Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 10:12 AM To: Sundial List Subject: Where are the women? I've just noticed that, as long as I remember, there is no female participation in this mailing list. As I study in the Astronomical and Geophysical Institute at the University of Sao Paulo, where we lack not of the gracious presence of women - there are more men here, but women are expressive too - I strange their absence from our astronomical inquiries and conversations. Maybe there is some truth in that old cliché of men being more prone to math and abstration than them? --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1497/3497 - Release Date: 03/10/11 --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Where are the women?
Why dwell on sex profiling? Why not age, education, IQ etc. I expect the scores for the sundial mailing list and sundial societies would be high in these categories as well. It doesn't matter as the list and the societies self select. If you are interested in sundials, join the group and participate. We all learn as much from the newby questions as the sage advice. Without this broad spectrum and diversity, we are just a bunch of old guys talking to ourselves. No Thanks! We should aspire to be three years old again, continuing to ask why? but now we can be rewarded by these discussions. We are no longer frustrated by the adult response Just because, that is the way it is. Cogito ergo sum has no other qualifiers. Regards, Roger Bailey From: Marcelo Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 3:12 PM To: Sundial List Subject: Where are the women? I've just noticed that, as long as I remember, there is no female participation in this mailing list. As I study in the Astronomical and Geophysical Institute at the University of Sao Paulo, where we lack not of the gracious presence of women - there are more men here, but women are expressive too - I strange their absence from our astronomical inquiries and conversations. Maybe there is some truth in that old cliché of men being more prone to math and abstration than them? --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
