[freenet-support] Freenet Project health
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What's the health of Freenet as a whole right now? I'm getting lots of pages taking forever to load (or never loading), and I think it's still using 100% CPU on my 200 mhz router on 768k (up and down) DSL, even though the browser is on another machine... I was planning to make a permanent node, but I don't run it much anymore, because my brother games (so he needs high bandwidth and low latency), and Freenet is still the most costly service I run on that thing (in terms of CPU, bandwidth, etc.) I know it's been mentioned before, but I'll state for the record that I think Java was a bad choice. Rather than start a new flame war, I'd like to go read up on why it was chosen (any archives I should look at?). For the record, I have never, ever seen a java program load quickly, run even tolerably fast for anything beyond the most basic things, and I've never seen an open source implementation of Java work firsthand. I don't like the syntax, but that's a personal issue -- I'd love to be proven wrong on this. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQO4b9ngHNmZLgCUhAQLCTA//frjR/duxAbReDA13WmWZQLA9LQdzcJ2v 2GJ+kv80fJC+P1U6h6/ghv+oTrNUDCnZweLNYRm5G6WNDiNPdnyFiNRe3+arfQsh TR3BCc1CwIn/TuO/7s0V4pjIpGnQgySx3VAy9i8ujYtCV5t6Kkdaps6tC4x32tzM ZFo3gXWjuQ0zGF1psBRlwH84+ia5lDjSqBjOK7P47FKAXk1/vOocSYAztrCuIgw0 qYK5oYStm/3miLzid08B4Mni0GL5m4+HlmitBgt2nVgqNhaKZN/HtUWtCVU8wNhR 55XhmkR3+nHhO994R7U2/DRyYo7w7Yv6obaZsqEZE+ddUYErjfwb2XLr+T1OgM0F hQaXPzGY1Onc9Yb9a3iZPkdVVTCPbcKHK0nrjZkei6VJ90oANurMNUgo4ZyHtuZT BFMq44b6AVqa6quandxEcQzhqy6uqhvXVin6l0PCzxtcUZHXQacjrEvgqNngXZl0 gvcOiPoKN/rH7vAXdHG9C4F+ZuSXAenWUWsgspyxvoPXItTMIMxbKQBG7wnYJu9w ahEHIGGdhks6eRgnq/hrroL/yzV3uEa5qhrmSqdRqW68Nr90kgHkJitUCqSKG/LZ fLTR75QC+L+n148Z3V5uHaTQSwjazDrnJ65Ln7apzANpdR9dmO+7cpm4EBFCmZiH NbTMfmg3wHQ= =pgvD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] RE: start-problems
Quoting Garb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I too am running Freenet from Gentoo (kernel 2.6.7), I too! my initial joy over finding it in the portage tree and thus being able to simply emerge it was quicly cooled by the fact, that the configuration E-build appears broken. Wow. I had the opposite experience. I've run from a manual install for the longest time. But here about two weeks ago I installed from Portage, and I was amazed at how well it handled the install. I especially liked the pre-made init script. I didn't have any problems with the configuration. Clever idea, transferring freenet.ini to freenet.conf. How did you know to change the paths to /var/freenet and so on? Rc-update add freenet default With a lower-case 'r', of course. Overall, I'm very happy with the Portage installation of Freenet. -todd ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Problems following loss of Internet connection
I don't know if my experience using the Windows version of Freenet will apply when using any other operating systems. I've tested the result of loss of Internet connection, both spontaneously and intentionally, enough times that I am confident Freenet cannot recover to effectively use the network until it is manually stopped and restarted. I believe it is necessary to actually exit from Freenet before it can reestablish proper communication. Several that reported continued 100% CPU usage may have been experiencing this behavior without recognizing that loss of Internet connection was the cause. One may not loose all the learning and integration into the network after doing an exit and restart, but it seems to take longer to attain smooth function after such a restart than when one simply does a normal shutdown and startup several hours later. It appears that many inbound or outbound connection fail to be established readily after lost of the internet connection (probably because they have backed off of a badly performing link). Can any other Windows user confirm my experience? N.S. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Heartbeat Message
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Project health
Not nessessarly. Freenet requires a lot of horsepower because of all the crypto required for even simple connections. a href=http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=45250;Java vs C++/a Java vs C++ Shootout Revisited June 15, 2004 Summary I was sick of hearing people say Java was slow, says Keith Lea, so I took the benchmark code for C++ and Java from the now outdated Great Computer Language Shootout (Fall 2001) and ran the tests myself. Lea's results three years on? Java, he finds, is significantly faster than optimized C++ in many cases. img src=http://www.kano.net/javabench/graph; On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 23:15:50 -0500, David Masover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What's the health of Freenet as a whole right now? I'm getting lots of pages taking forever to load (or never loading), and I think it's still using 100% CPU on my 200 mhz router on 768k (up and down) DSL, even though the browser is on another machine... I was planning to make a permanent node, but I don't run it much anymore, because my brother games (so he needs high bandwidth and low latency), and Freenet is still the most costly service I run on that thing (in terms of CPU, bandwidth, etc.) I know it's been mentioned before, but I'll state for the record that I think Java was a bad choice. Rather than start a new flame war, I'd like to go read up on why it was chosen (any archives I should look at?). For the record, I have never, ever seen a java program load quickly, run even tolerably fast for anything beyond the most basic things, and I've never seen an open source implementation of Java work firsthand. I don't like the syntax, but that's a personal issue -- I'd love to be proven wrong on this. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQO4b9ngHNmZLgCUhAQLCTA//frjR/duxAbReDA13WmWZQLA9LQdzcJ2v 2GJ+kv80fJC+P1U6h6/ghv+oTrNUDCnZweLNYRm5G6WNDiNPdnyFiNRe3+arfQsh TR3BCc1CwIn/TuO/7s0V4pjIpGnQgySx3VAy9i8ujYtCV5t6Kkdaps6tC4x32tzM ZFo3gXWjuQ0zGF1psBRlwH84+ia5lDjSqBjOK7P47FKAXk1/vOocSYAztrCuIgw0 qYK5oYStm/3miLzid08B4Mni0GL5m4+HlmitBgt2nVgqNhaKZN/HtUWtCVU8wNhR 55XhmkR3+nHhO994R7U2/DRyYo7w7Yv6obaZsqEZE+ddUYErjfwb2XLr+T1OgM0F hQaXPzGY1Onc9Yb9a3iZPkdVVTCPbcKHK0nrjZkei6VJ90oANurMNUgo4ZyHtuZT BFMq44b6AVqa6quandxEcQzhqy6uqhvXVin6l0PCzxtcUZHXQacjrEvgqNngXZl0 gvcOiPoKN/rH7vAXdHG9C4F+ZuSXAenWUWsgspyxvoPXItTMIMxbKQBG7wnYJu9w ahEHIGGdhks6eRgnq/hrroL/yzV3uEa5qhrmSqdRqW68Nr90kgHkJitUCqSKG/LZ fLTR75QC+L+n148Z3V5uHaTQSwjazDrnJ65Ln7apzANpdR9dmO+7cpm4EBFCmZiH NbTMfmg3wHQ= =pgvD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Project health
On Friday 09 July 2004 12:15 am, David Masover wrote: What's the health of Freenet as a whole right now? I'm getting lots of pages taking forever to load (or never loading), and I think it's still using 100% CPU on my 200 mhz router on 768k (up and down) DSL, even though the browser is on another machine... My node isn't running too well either, even after leaving it on for a few days. Did you leave it running while properly opening up the port it uses for incoming connections in your firewall (if needed)? I was planning to make a permanent node, but I don't run it much anymore, because my brother games (so he needs high bandwidth and low latency), and Freenet is still the most costly service I run on that thing (in terms of CPU, bandwidth, etc.) I have an 2.5G Athlon XP w/ 1G of RAM and I don't notice that it's running. It tends to play nice on my system regardless of my success in getting any data out of it. I know it's been mentioned before, but I'll state for the record that I think Java was a bad choice. Rather than start a new flame war, I'd like to go read up on why it was chosen (any archives I should look at?). That's a good idea. A discussion based on backing out of Java at this point is totally pointless and would set the project back another X years. I'm not sure my archives even go back that far, but the basis for choosing Java should be obvious; platform independence and a rich API that comes standard with the language. For the record, I have never, ever seen a java program load quickly, run even tolerably fast for anything beyond the most basic things, and I've never seen an open source implementation of Java work firsthand. I don't like the syntax, but that's a personal issue -- I'd love to be proven wrong on this. You don't have much experience with Java then. Freenet is atypical of a Java application IMO. I would argue that Java has found a nice home in the Web Services market (JSP, Servlets, EJB), but Freenet attempts to be all things that Java isn't necessarily good at (for starters, NIO is something not necessary for most web apps). All this aside, when routing doesn't work in Freenet it can't be blamed on the language it was implemented in. Broken routing can easily be coded in C, Python, assembler or whatever language you desire. On the other hand being tied to a proprietary language like Java under Sun's control isn't helping matters much. It's hoped this will change when one of the Free Software implementations of Java (gcj, Kaffe) becomes more stable wrt Freenet. -- Jay Oliveri GnuPG ID: 0x5AA5DD54 FCPTools Maintainer www.sf.net/users/joliveri ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Project health
All this aside, when routing doesn't work in Freenet it can't be blamed on the language it was implemented in. Broken routing can easily be coded in C, Python, assembler or whatever language you desire. On the other hand being tied to a proprietary language like Java under Sun's control isn't helping matters much. It's hoped this will change when one of the Free Software implementations of Java (gcj, Kaffe) becomes more stable wrt Freenet. I lost the meaning in the last sentence. What was intended by wrt? ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] OK I've given up on this LAN
On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 08:38:28AM +, phil wrote: Security policy won't allow setting of fixed IP freenet won't work. Well, technically, you could run Freenet anyway. It's just that it would take a little longer to learn its way around the network. You do have the ability to open connections to any host on the internet on any port, right? Thanks anyway. Thanks for your interest. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Project health
On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 11:15:50PM -0500, David Masover wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What's the health of Freenet as a whole right now? I'm not sure. It depends on various factors. For example, which branch you are running. I'm getting lots of pages taking forever to load (or never loading), On stable? How many live connections? Do you get RNFs? DNFs? and I think it's still using 100% CPU on my 200 mhz router on 768k (up and down) DSL, even though the browser is on another machine... :( How much RAM does it have? We have had reports of reasonable performance on that class of hardware. OTOH, it's not a big priority at the moment. First make it work. Then make it work fast.. Most machines running Freenet are probably 5 times faster than the above hardware... I was planning to make a permanent node, but I don't run it much anymore, because my brother games (so he needs high bandwidth and low latency), and Freenet is still the most costly service I run on that thing (in terms of CPU, bandwidth, etc.) I don't think Freenet's bandwidth limiting is unobtrusive enough for gaming. Having said that, a gamer will tell you that ANYTHING else running on the connection will increase his ping. Even if it doesn't! :) I know it's been mentioned before, but I'll state for the record that I think Java was a bad choice. Rather than start a new flame war, I'd like to go read up on why it was chosen (any archives I should look at?). Ian liked it. Ian was the original coder. Java is a reasonable OO-procedural language which has a number of eccentricities. Most of those will be rectified when GCJ works. If we had used C++, we'd have spent a year arguing over whether to include a garbage collector. If we had used Ocaml, we'd have had even fewer coders than we have now. Etc etc. For the record, I have never, ever seen a java program load quickly, run even tolerably fast for anything beyond the most basic things, and I've never seen an open source implementation of Java work firsthand. I don't like the syntax, but that's a personal issue -- I'd love to be proven wrong on this. I've seen all of the above. Get hold of a copy of Eclipse compiled under GCJ sometime... -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Project health
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, Nicholas Sturm wrote: helping matters much. It's hoped this will change when one of the Free Software implementations of Java (gcj, Kaffe) becomes more stable wrt Freenet. I lost the meaning in the last sentence. What was intended by wrt? with-respect-to ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] starting probs
On Sat, Jul 10, 2004 at 03:17:11PM +0200, rensinghoff wrote: Am Mi, den 07.07.2004 schrieb Paul um 18:25: ... SO it is better to get a dyndns account and i got that, but now as always on linux i got really sidetracked. So i have an account and the ddclient, of course setting up ddclient seems to be another complicated task ..router settings etc Is it ok if i ask for help on that list here, or is it OFF-Topic ? I always have the same problem: How can i test at which point the connection is not working.. Here with ddclient, how do i find the error.. You are using syslog=yes. So have a look at your logfiles for error or success messages. so here is my ddclient.conf ... daemon=300# check every 300 seconds syslog=yes# log update msgs to syslog mail=root # mail all msgs to root mail-failure=root # mail failed update msgs to root pid=/var/run/ddclient.pid # record PID in file. # ... fw=192.168.2.1 fw-login=nurense fw-password=carlito # FW login and password ## To obtain an IP address from FW status page (using fw-login, fw-password) use=fw, fw=192.168.2.1/status_main.htm, fw-skip='IP Address' # found after IP Address # server=members.dyndns.org, \ # protocol=dyndns2\ # your-dynamic-host.dyndns.org ... ## ## OrgDNS.org account-configuration ## use=web, web=members.orgdns.org/nic/ip server=www.orgdns.org \ protocol=dyndns2 \ login=soundgigi \ password=carlito \ soundgigi.orgdns.org Are you using OrgDNS or dyndns? A few line down you mention that your domain is soundgigi.dyndns.org. So I would use the configuration part for dyndns (especially the server). And please change the password before anyone on the list does it for you ;-) Did i miss something fundamental ? except the server ? no. Just to understand the ddclient connects automatically to dyndns, so it extracts the current ip-adress from the router ant that is linked to my domain..which is soundgigi.dyndns.org so i should be able to ping that domain name if the connection works, right ?? If your router answers to pings yes. It's perhaps safer to do a dns lookup for soundgigi.dyndns.org after you connected. It should point to the IP that you are using at the moment. A ping to that adress might go to another host so it's not a proof that everything worked. So and after that i set my IP in the freenet.config to soundgigi.dyndns.org, right ? yes. I appreciate your help very much !! -- str-str_pok |= SP_FBM; /* deep magic */ s = (unsigned char*)(str-str_ptr); /* deeper magic */ -- Larry Wall in util.c from the perl source code pgpRwzEEYyqNP.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Current data store size in web interface?
Is that any place that shows the current data store size in the web interface? -- Best regards, Weiliang Zhang ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] What are the scales for the histogram plots?
Toad wrote: On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 01:00:25PM +0100, Weiliang Zhang wrote: Specifically, the I am referring to the histograms that you can get from /servlet/nodestatus/. Also does the Y axis represent the entire key space? Counts of keys usually. Try the raw links... If that's the case, the bars in the histograms would grow indefinitely?? There seems to be a maximum, when reached, the bars stop growing. That might be explaining why we are seeing de-specialisation? Shouldn't we use ratios instead? Best regards, Weiliang Zhang ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Confirmation
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[freenet-support] Re: Current data store size in web interface?
Weiliang Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is that any place that shows the current data store size in the web interface? Internals*Environment Data Store section http://127.0.0.1:/servlet/nodeinfo/internal/env Data Store Maximum size900 MiB Used space 920,544 KiB Free space 1,056 KiB Percent used99 Total keys 2476 Space used by temp files6,052 KiB Maximum space for temp files314,572,809 Bytes Most recent file access timeSun Jul 11 16:25:08 NZST 2004 Least recent file access time Fri Jul 09 23:04:23 NZST 2004 ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
