Re: connectivity problem with pidgin

2011-09-28 Thread David Woolley

BBB wrote:

bigbadbabar disabled.  You have been connecting and disconnecting too 
frequently. Wait ten minutes and try again. If you continue to try, you 
will need to wait even longer.




Why do you believe the error message (which comes from AOL, not from 
Pidgin) is incorrect?


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plain txt passwords in .purple folder

2011-09-28 Thread James Monroe
Just a heads up your program stored all my passwords (for pidgin) in plain
txt in a file in the .purple directory.
Needless to say I uninstalled and will never use again. Please fix this for
the thousands of other people who don't know to check.
Lines like ( user name: actual user name)
( user password:  actual password!!)
should not be appearing in professional programs unless your writing them
for nefarious purposes. hash/md5 or something for the love of all things
holy.

Good Luck,
-Dave
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Re: plain txt passwords in .purple folder

2011-09-28 Thread Kevin Stange
On 09/28/2011 05:02 AM, James Monroe wrote:
 Just a heads up your program stored all my passwords (for pidgin) in
 plain txt in a file in the .purple directory.

We are, of course, aware of this.  Please read:

http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/PlainTextPasswords

 them for nefarious purposes. hash/md5 or something for the love of all
 things
 holy.

If we hash your username and password, we can only submit the hashes
back to the server because hashes cannot be transformed back to original
values.  This means:

 1) If the server accepts them, the hashes are still plain-text login info
 2) You cannot login.

What purpose would that serve?

Kevin



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Re: plain txt passwords in .purple folder

2011-09-28 Thread David Woolley

James Monroe wrote:
Just a heads up your program stored all my passwords (for pidgin) in 
plain txt in a file in the .purple directory.


The developers believe that anything else would give a false sense of 
security.  http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/PlainTextPasswords


Needless to say I uninstalled and will never use again. Please fix this 
for the thousands of other people who don't know to check.

Lines like ( user name: actual user name)
( user password:  actual password!!)
should not be appearing in professional programs unless your writing 
them for nefarious purposes. hash/md5 or something for the love of all 
things


Hashing the passwords would make them unusable.  Any saved password 
needs to be convertable to a form that is a valid credential for the 
target service.  A one way function would make it unusable for that. 
Reversible encryption by an open source program would be trivial 
breakable, unless you insisted on a master key that had to be entered 
every time the program was started.





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Re: plain txt passwords in .purple folder

2011-09-28 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Wednesday, September 28, 2011 a las 05:15:18AM -0500, Kevin Stange 
escribió:

 On 09/28/2011 05:02 AM, James Monroe wrote:
  Just a heads up your program stored all my passwords (for pidgin) in
  plain txt in a file in the .purple directory.
 
 We are, of course, aware of this.  Please read:
 
 http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/PlainTextPasswords
 
  them for nefarious purposes. hash/md5 or something for the love of all
  things
  holy.
 
 If we hash your username and password, we can only submit the hashes
 back to the server because hashes cannot be transformed back to original
 values.  This means:
 
  1) If the server accepts them, the hashes are still plain-text login info
  2) You cannot login.
 
 What purpose would that serve?

Hello Kevin,

Maybe we could use GPG to crypt and store the clear text pw and the user
needs a passphrase to unlock the storage, i.e. decrypt it with GPG
again.

Thanks

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RE: plain txt passwords in .purple folder

2011-09-28 Thread Rob Dunn
Here's my tip - don't store your password in Pidgin, just have it prompt you 
every time.  But, not everyone will follow this rule (knowing users).

As an aside, it would be nice if there was a plugin developed for pidgin that 
would disallow password storage...or is there something that can be done to 
facilitate an 'always prompt' action?

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Re: plain txt passwords in .purple folder

2011-09-28 Thread Kevin Stange
On 09/28/2011 07:24 AM, Rob Dunn wrote:
 Here's my tip - don't store your password in Pidgin, just have it prompt you 
 every time.  But, not everyone will follow this rule (knowing users).
 
 As an aside, it would be nice if there was a plugin developed for pidgin that 
 would disallow password storage...or is there something that can be done to 
 facilitate an 'always prompt' action?

As per that Wiki document, Pidgin defaults to not storing passwords.
You have to manually check the box to cause it to happen.

There is a branch on MTN which enables pidgin to use one of a couple
existing keyring systems to store passwords.  If this branch receives
help to make it stable, then it can be merged.

I would strongly encourage anyone interested to look into the state of
that branch and submit patches to finish it.

Kevin



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