Is this a SM2.0 bug?
You can select your default Browser Starting Page in SM2.0 as in all previous versions. However, if you use the Switch Profile tool and SeaMonkey is closed from the new profile, your Browser Starting Page preference is not honored the next time you start SeaMonkey. Instead, the page on display at the time of switching profiles is used. Now that could be considered a feature but to me seems a bug. If this is by intent, there should be a method to turn on/off this feature in Preferences. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is this a SM2.0 bug?
robert.ga...@att.net schrieb: You can select your default Browser Starting Page in SM2.0 as in all previous versions. However, if you use the Switch Profile tool and SeaMonkey is closed from the new profile, your Browser Starting Page preference is not honored the next time you start SeaMonkey. Instead, the page on display at the time of switching profiles is used. Now that could be considered a feature but to me seems a bug. If this is by intent, there should be a method to turn on/off this feature in Preferences. Th other profile hs it's own starting page. But if a new starting page is being set after changing back to the old profile this would be a bug, not a feature and should be filed to bugzilla I guess. regards Martin -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 from Win2K to Win7
Leonidas Jones schrieb: S. Beaulieu wrote: Well, there is only one thing: my fonts in SM (and not elsewhere, it semms, but I haven't played much with anything but SM) now look all kind of fuzzy/blurry, not as sharp as they were on my old computer. I've tried playing with my screen's and Windows' settings, thinking at first that it had to do with drivers and such, but it really seems to be restricted to SM. Even the font itself looks slightly of different than before (which shouldn't be the case, as I didn't change anything on that front). Do you have any ideas what could be causing this? Would it have to do with my Appearance settings? S. Well, I'm a Mac user. I have Windows boxes, but nothing running Win7 at this point. Perhaps a Win user will jump in. This is exactly the same experience I had when firing up SM on Win7. It's the cleartype functionality of Win7. You can try to turn it off in the OS (but many fonts will look pretty ugly then) or choose another font for things like the message display in the Seamonkey preferences, e.g. compare Courier and Courier New for the fixed width font and you'll see a huuuge difference when reading mail/newsgroup messages. regards Martin -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Inbox oddities...
Phillip Jones wrote: Daniel wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: I'm working with Mac OS 10.6.2, and SM 1.1.18. In the last several days, my _Inbox_ shows message count discrepancies with what the upper left folder window indicates (say 15 messages unread, and 2484 total messages) and what actually shows up in the main message window, when I select to display only unread messages, is perhaps 5 unread messages and 828 messages total!) If I shut down Inbox and Home Account, then SeaMonkey, and after 10 seconds or so, reopen each folder, my messages revert to actual ~ 5 and 828. Soon, it reverts (as I move from folder to folder, and visit URLs on the 'net, then return to Inbox. It's never done this before. No, I have no idea what I might have recently done, or downloaded that might have interfered with smooth operations of SM. I have opened Disk Utility App. and repaired Disk Permissions, to little avail. Who has an idea what I might try next? A literal map leading me to go delete the Inbox.msf file might work, I guess. Any help much appreciated. keith whaley Keith, it annoys me when I open a news server in SM and one of the groups might show as 8 unread from 265 messages, then as the server gets updated, the figures might switch to 15 unread out of 835 messages, then when I actually select the group the figures might change to 8 unread out of 265 messages again, but thats not your problem. Have you tried compacting your inbox (File|Compact Folders)? Works best after File|Empty Trash If you want to delete your inbox.msf, either 1. (I was going to tell you to do a Windows Find Files and Folder, but as your using Mac, I don't know what the equivalent is!) Then I was going to suggest doing a search for *.msf (without the quotes) and then suggest just deleting any and all .msf files. They are rebuilt as needed. 2. In SeaMonkey, have a look at Edit|MailNewsgroup Account Settings, select Server Settings of your mail account, and at the bottom of this screen is the location of your profile (Local Directory). This should give you a bit of an indication as to where the .msf files are. HTH Daniel To cure that Problem: 1 - go to Edit Mail newsgroups synchronization Storage. 2 set the following items to 60 days. a. Messages more than: (Disk Space) b. Messages more then: (Recover Disk Space) B. Remove bodies from ... :(Recover Disk Space) have just those items checked. Now go to each newsgroup and items should stick. Thanks for the post, Phillip, but I don't think it will solve my problem, as the situation I describe can even occur on this server (or the secnews server) which I check virtually every day. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Collapsing threads
Currently using SM 1.1.15, but the situation has been ongoing. When viewing threads here, I can tap the * sign and all threads are expanded. How do I go the other way, i.e. collapse the threads?? Logically tapping the - should be the answer but nothing happens. Tapping the / does nothing. Anyone?? Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SMTP parameter in SM2 after having migrated from SM1
Daniel wrote: Daniel wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: rocek schrieb: I am experiencing similar problems, and went so far as to ask our systems people at the University of Delaware to check it out; they downloaded Seamonkey 2.0 and couldn't get it to work with our servers with any combination of settings (Seamonkey 1.x worked fine). I also have been unable to get the SMTP settings to work with Speakeasy's SMTP server (my isp), which had no problem with Seamonkey 1.x; I tried authentication on and off, as well as playing with multiple options. So far, the only SMTP server that's worked for me is google. Are there some compatibility issues in the new setting options? Thanks for any suggesitonsTom Tried to apply obones' instructions at the end of this thread? regards Martin Martin, whilst Rocek may well have had some Passwords come across from SM 1.x into SM 2.0, I'm guessing that the U of C probably didn't have SM 1.x on their system, so would not have had any PW's to carry over. Just guessing, though Daniel Error... should have been U of D rather than U of C!! Daniel Thanks for all of the suggestions, but unfortunately no, I don't have old saved passwords, and the U of D systems folks who tried and failed to get SM2 to work with our server did a clean install of SM as far as I know. So no, the problem is neither with old saved passwords or with accidentally leaving authentication checked on. For what it is worth, the SM1 settings that work were: port 25 [port 587 works too] x Use name and pasword TLS, if available; and if I recall, an alternative setting Given that our systems folks couldn't get it to work, I still think it is some sort of limitation in SM2... best wishes, Tom ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2: Mail Folders Pane Re-sizing
On 12/1/09 5:07 PM, u...@domain.invalid wrote:
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Yes, you can make it wider with the following style rule in your
userChrome.css: #folderpane-splitter { width: 5px; } or, if that doesn't
work, #folderpane-splitter { width: 5px !important; }.
[...]
Thanks, Stephan. That does it.
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Re: Collapsing threads
Daniel wrote: Currently using SM 1.1.15, but the situation has been ongoing. When viewing threads here, I can tap the * sign and all threads are expanded. How do I go the other way, i.e. collapse the threads?? Logically tapping the - should be the answer but nothing happens. Tapping the / does nothing. Anyone?? Daniel On Mac clicking home key or left pointing arrow collapses thread, end or right pointing arrow key un-collapes (expands) thread. I say on Mac - because I don't know if this is specific to the Mac Platform or built in to SM in general. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 from Win2K to Win7
Martin Freitag wrote: or choose another font for things like the message display in the Seamonkey preferences, e.g. compare Courier and Courier New for the fixed width font and you'll see a huuuge difference when reading mail/newsgroup messages. regards Hum. I can't seem to find how to do that. There is no font option in the Message display pane and the only place I find some seems to be for changing the default font throughout the software... S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 ?
On 12/2/2009 7:18 AM PT, question typed: Is 2.0 a beta ? No. -- Ladies and gentlemen, hoboes and tramps...Crosseyed Mosquitoes and bow-legged ants...I've come to tell you the story... --Bob Holman /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): aqfldotnet (use .) \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: phi...@earthlink.netant ( ) or ant...@zimage.com Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
2.0 ?
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Primary/Main e-mail address and additional e-mail address during composing e-mails in SM2...
Hi! Some of my addressbooks have two e-mail addresses for the same contact/person. In v1.1.18, I would type in a name and SM would show me both names to pick. In v2, it doesn't let me pick and always use the primary/main one. How can I make this behavior happen in v2 like in v1.1.18? Thank you in advance. :) -- Ladies and gentlemen, hoboes and tramps...Crosseyed Mosquitoes and bow-legged ants...I've come to tell you the story... --Bob Holman /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): aqfldotnet (use .) \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: phi...@earthlink.netant ( ) or ant...@zimage.com Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Web site work in IE but not in Seamonkey 2.0
On 12/1/2009 11:34 PM, William Morrison wrote: I'd like to ask a question about what this discussion is going on about. Is it possible for someone to download a copy of any version of Seamonkey that already has a spoof edited into it, thus causing it to report something other than the actual version it is? No. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Migration wizard hangs
I tried to install Seamonkey 2.0 and the migration wizard hung (not responding) both during the install and when I launched it manually with -migration. I still launched 2.0 by curiosity and it had migrated partially my emails (most recent mails and several folders missing). Maybe it's normal that the wizard stays 'not responding' for long periods and I should just have waited longer? Thanks, Jf ps : My config if it matters: Win/xp pro SP3 migrating from 1.17 french (fairly standard install, 1 profile, all on c disk) toward 2.0 french. If others do wonder, desinstalling 2.0 and reinstalling 1.17 was flawless. My 1.17 config and mails were intact. No risk to try 2.0. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Timeline for Release of Seamonkey 2.x?
mcjathan wrote: Just curious, is there a planned timeline for the next release of Seamonkey 2.x? No. It will be released when it's ready. For 2.1, we probably will target next summer, but nothing is sure at this point. Of course, 2.0.x updates will come roughly every 6-8 weeks, in sync with the Firefox 3.5.x updates, the next one is 2.0.1 and scheduled for December 15 or 16. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Web site work in IE but not in Seamonkey 2.0
On 12/1/2009 7:40 PM, David Wilkinson wrote: I am not saying I do not believe you. I am saying that I am puzzled by what you are reporting. Everybody else with an unaltered version of 1.x or 2.0 says the TVGuide site does not work correctly. I haven't seen the complete user agent string being reported by the Wife's computer. Are you sure it is not spoofing firefox as well? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is this a SM2.0 bug?
On 12/2/2009 2:00 AM, robert.ga...@att.net wrote: You can select your default Browser Starting Page in SM2.0 as in all previous versions. However, if you use the Switch Profile tool and SeaMonkey is closed from the new profile, your Browser Starting Page preference is not honored the next time you start SeaMonkey. Instead, the page on display at the time of switching profiles is used. Now that could be considered a feature but to me seems a bug. If this is by intent, there should be a method to turn on/off this feature in Preferences. I've even had closed tabs reopen. This is bug #525242. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525242. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Migration wizard hangs
On 12/2/2009 8:18 AM, Jf Briel wrote: I tried to install Seamonkey 2.0 and the migration wizard hung (not responding) both during the install and when I launched it manually with -migration. I still launched 2.0 by curiosity and it had migrated partially my emails (most recent mails and several folders missing). Maybe it's normal that the wizard stays 'not responding' for long periods and I should just have waited longer? This is most likely the case. Please understand that when the program is busy, it will appear to not be responding to the operating system. This does not mean the program is hung. The time it will take depends on the speed of the machine and the amount of data to migrate. I've heard others say it took quite a few minutes (30 minutes comes to mind). Best, ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 from Win2K to Win7
S. Beaulieu schrieb: Martin Freitag wrote: or choose another font for things like the message display in the Seamonkey preferences, e.g. compare Courier and Courier New for the fixed width font and you'll see a huuuge difference when reading mail/newsgroup messages. regards Hum. I can't seem to find how to do that. There is no font option in the Message display pane and the only place I find some seems to be for changing the default font throughout the software... Edit = Preferences = Appearance = Fonts? (fixed width at the bottom) Martin -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 from Win2K to Win7
S. Beaulieu schrieb: Martin Freitag wrote: or choose another font for things like the message display in the Seamonkey preferences, e.g. compare Courier and Courier New for the fixed width font and you'll see a huuuge difference when reading mail/newsgroup messages. regards Hum. I can't seem to find how to do that. There is no font option in the Message display pane and the only place I find some seems to be for changing the default font throughout the software... Edit = Preferences = Appearance = Fonts? (fixed width at the bottom) Martin -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Collapsing threads
Phillip Jones schrieb: Daniel wrote: Currently using SM 1.1.15, but the situation has been ongoing. When viewing threads here, I can tap the * sign and all threads are expanded. How do I go the other way, i.e. collapse the threads?? Logically tapping the - should be the answer but nothing happens. Tapping the / does nothing. Anyone?? Daniel On Mac clicking home key or left pointing arrow collapses thread, end or right pointing arrow key un-collapes (expands) thread. I say on Mac - because I don't know if this is specific to the Mac Platform or built in to SM in general. Left/right arrows work everywhere with the desired effect. Home sends you to the beginning of all messages on Windows. regards Martin -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Collapsing threads
MCBastos schrieb: Interviewed by CNN on 2/12/2009 09:50, Martin Freitag told the world: Use the \ (see the View Menu = threads ;-) ) regards I was looking for this, and it was right there on the menu all the time! Thanks for pointing it out... But now that you mention this... shouldn't there be keyboard shortcuts for expanding/collapsing the *current* thread only? + and - seem the natural choices, but they don't work... and the menu doesn't list any others. I'm always working with the arrow keys (which requires holding left for a second or two on longer threads ;-)), but you'Re right, using + and - would be kind of standard behaviour, maybe a good idea for an enhancemnt bug. regards Martin -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 from Win2K to Win7
Martin Freitag a écrit : Edit = Preferences = Appearance = Fonts? (fixed width at the bottom) I tried that, but it didn't change anything. I think I'm just unkowingly skipping a step... S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 from Win2K to Win7
S. Beaulieu schrieb: Martin Freitag a écrit : Edit = Preferences = Appearance = Fonts? (fixed width at the bottom) I tried that, but it didn't change anything. I think I'm just unkowingly skipping a step... Select the proper encoding there at the top (above the fonts). Common encodings are Western and Unicode. If you change the fixed width font for both, it should have an effect. regards Martin -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.0 from Win2K to Win7
Martin Freitag a écrit : Select the proper encoding there at the top (above the fonts). Common encodings are Western and Unicode. If you change the fixed width font for both, it should have an effect. It changes the fonts in the body of emails/newsgroup messages, but nowhere else. S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Primary/Main e-mail address and additional e-mail address during composing e-mails in SM2...
Ant wrote: Some of my addressbooks have two e-mail addresses for the same contact/person. In v1.1.18, I would type in a name and SM would show me both names to pick. In v2, it doesn't let me pick and always use the primary/main one. How can I make this behavior happen in v2 like in v1.1.18? See When composing to someone with multiple e-mail addresses. thread in this newsgroup, Nov 27th, started and closed by... you. ;-) Greetings, Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Timeline for Release of Seamonkey 2.x?
On 12/2/2009 8:13 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote: mcjathan wrote: Just curious, is there a planned timeline for the next release of Seamonkey 2.x? No. It will be released when it's ready. For 2.1, we probably will target next summer, but nothing is sure at this point. Of course, 2.0.x updates will come roughly every 6-8 weeks, in sync with the Firefox 3.5.x updates, the next one is 2.0.1 and scheduled for December 15 or 16. Robert Kaiser Will any bugs pecurliar to SeaMonkey be fixed? Will any bugs be fixed other than security bugs? Will any bugs be fixed other than those fixed in Gecko for Firefox? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Web site work in IE but not in Seamonkey 2.0
Bush wrote: Bush wrote: Bush wrote: David Wilkinson wrote: Bush wrote: /snip/ http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii69/willy48529/tvguide.jpg Tried the tvguide site this morning with my wifes computer again. And the Program Discriptions DO NOT WORK 1.1.14 That's what I expected, thanks so much for confirming it. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Migration wizard hangs
Mine took much longer that 30 minutes but I have an unreasonably large amount of mail in my Local Folders. It did appear to hang with no indication of progress. I put my hands in my pockets took a walk and got another cup of coffee. It did eventually transfer everything with no errors. Perhaps a progress indicator might be in order. Mark Hansen wrote: On 12/2/2009 8:18 AM, Jf Briel wrote: I tried to install Seamonkey 2.0 and the migration wizard hung (not responding) both during the install and when I launched it manually with -migration. I still launched 2.0 by curiosity and it had migrated partially my emails (most recent mails and several folders missing). Maybe it's normal that the wizard stays 'not responding' for long periods and I should just have waited longer? This is most likely the case. Please understand that when the program is busy, it will appear to not be responding to the operating system. This does not mean the program is hung. The time it will take depends on the speed of the machine and the amount of data to migrate. I've heard others say it took quite a few minutes (30 minutes comes to mind). Best, ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Migration wizard hangs
On 12/2/2009 12:36 PM, Rob Steinmetz wrote: Mine took much longer that 30 minutes but I have an unreasonably large amount of mail in my Local Folders. It did appear to hang with no indication of progress. I put my hands in my pockets took a walk and got another cup of coffee. It did eventually transfer everything with no errors. Perhaps a progress indicator might be in order. Yes, I agree. Something more than just a spinning widget. Perhaps something that explains which data is currently being worked on, like: Migrating Inbox... Migrating Drafts... Migrating Passwords... etc. That way, you would see things happening. This IMO makes it much easier for a Human to wait on a machine to finish. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 ?
Ant wrote: On 12/2/2009 7:18 AM PT, question typed: Is 2.0 a beta ? No. But looks like :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 ?
Ray_Net a écrit : Ant wrote: On 12/2/2009 7:18 AM PT, question typed: Is 2.0 a beta ? No. But looks like :-) Why? S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey 2.0 Lightning Printing
Is Printing supposed to work in Seamonkey 2.0 Lightning pre1.x?. When I try to print a month calendar I get the print menu, but no preview in the box and hitting the print button doesn't seem to do anything. -- Rob ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.0 Lightning Printing
On 12/02/2009 02:27 PM, Rob Steinmetz wrote: Is Printing supposed to work in Seamonkey 2.0 Lightning pre1.x?. When I try to print a month calendar I get the print menu, but no preview in the box and hitting the print button doesn't seem to do anything. Works for me (linux). Try selecting 'Layout: Monthly Grid or Weekly Planner'. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Sniffing and Spoofing
Two recent threads in mozilla.support.seamonkey on this issue resulted in very lengthy discussions. See Seamonkey and U.S. Government site does not work at news://news.mozilla.org:119/so-dntlowokak43wnz2dnuvz_r6dn...@mozilla.org and Web site work in IE but not in Seamonkey 2.0 at news://news.mozilla.org:119/xfadnab_io4m4inwnz2dnuvz_oodn...@mozilla.org. These are just more examples of errors being asserted in a Gecko browser when the real problem are invalid sniffing for UA strings by Web servers. These problems are not new. Tracking bug #334967 for these problems was written on 21 Apr 2006. The earliest bug tracked by #334967 was bug #166261, written on 2 September 2002 and now closed. Novice users of SeaMonkey and other non-Firefox browsers that use Gecko are often confused about what sniffing and spoofing are. This was readily noticed in the two threads cited above, where one user repeatedly claimed that he could not be spoofing because he didn't even know what that meant. He very strongly stated that SeaMonkey 2.0 was broken but SeaMonkey 1.1.18 was not because he could view two web sites with the latter but not with the former. When instructed how to report his UA strings for both versions of SeaMonkey in mozilla.support.seamonkey, it was seen that his SeaMonkey 1.1.18 was spoofing Firefox 2.0.0.7. When he migrated to SeaMonkey 2.0, the user-set preference variable to continue such spoofing was not included. The problem is usually attributed to invalid sniffing for Firefox when Web servers should sniff for Gecko. The real problem is that servers should not sniff at all. Interesting, informative, entertaining, aesthetically pleasing Web sites can be created that can be appropriately viewed by any modern browser without sniffing, providing those sites fully comply with the W3C specifications. To deal with this issue, I suggest the following: 1. Every detected instance of invalid sniffing must result in a bug report blocking bug #334967. Documenting the problem via Bugzilla makes it easier to communicate the problem to the Web site owner. 2. Today, much sniffing still excludes Opera, Safari, Konqueror, and Chrome let alone non-Firefox Gecko browsers. When dealing with a bug report tracked by bug #334967, Web site owners should be strongly urged not to sniff at all because sniffing is excluding potential audiences for their sites. 3. When helping users to defeat invalid sniffing, they should be advised to treat spoofing as a temporary measure. Permanent sniffing lends credence to assertions by Web developers that Firefox is the only Gecko browser visiting their sites and that no one uses SeaMonkey. Extensions such as PrefBar or User Agent Switcher should be recommended because they revert the UA string back to the browser's true UA when terminating or starting. Further, any spoofing must include the actual SeaMonkey UA string with Firefox mere added; this is required so that humans reviewing raw server logs will see that SeaMonkey is an actual browser visiting their Web sites. 4. Users must be urged to contact the site owner with a complaint about invalid sniffing, referring both to the bug report and to Gecko is Gecko at http://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Sardisson/Gecko_is_Gecko. 5. Management at both the Mozilla Foundation and the Mozilla Corporation should make similar contacts via postal mail with executives of the companies and agencies whose Web sites are causing problems. (Many executives are still more responsive to postal mail than to E-mail.) Such contacts to U.S. companies should mention that sniffing might yield Web sites that violate the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA); contacts with U.S. federal agencies should mention that sniffing might yield Web sites that violate Section 508 of the U.S. Rehabilitation Act of 1986 (as amended in 1998). 6. If any complaint (#4 or #5 above) results in a response that no one uses SeaMonkey, the responder should be asked to review the raw server logs to see if SeaMonkey appears among the UA strings (see #3 above). -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 ?
question wrote: Is 2.0 a beta ? At this point official no. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Collapsing threads
Martin Freitag wrote: Phillip Jones schrieb: Daniel wrote: Currently using SM 1.1.15, but the situation has been ongoing. When viewing threads here, I can tap the * sign and all threads are expanded. How do I go the other way, i.e. collapse the threads?? Logically tapping the - should be the answer but nothing happens. Tapping the / does nothing. Anyone?? Daniel On Mac clicking home key or left pointing arrow collapses thread, end or right pointing arrow key un-collapes (expands) thread. I say on Mac - because I don't know if this is specific to the Mac Platform or built in to SM in general. Left/right arrows work everywhere with the desired effect. Home sends you to the beginning of all messages on Windows. regards Martin on Mac PowerBook Page up and up arrow are the same key, page down and Down arrow use same, home and left are same, and end and right are the same.On the PowerBook to shift operation you hold down function key. hold down function key and press the arrow key changes it to home,page up, end, page down. Now on my Desktop home, end, page up and page down ; and the up down, left and right arrows are separate keys. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sniffing and Spoofing
David E. Ross wrote: Two recent threads in mozilla.support.seamonkey on this issue resulted in very lengthy discussions. See SeaMonkey and U.S. Government site does not work at news://news.mozilla.org:119/so-dntlowokak43wnz2dnuvz_r6dn...@mozilla.org and Web site work in IE but not in SeaMonkey 2.0 at news://news.mozilla.org:119/xfadnab_io4m4inwnz2dnuvz_oodn...@mozilla.org. I can view the the TVGuide site with no problem and I do not have any spoofing set up. I can not view the Government site in SM 2 as I do not have any spoofing set. as shown here: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0 These are just more examples of errors being asserted in a Gecko browser when the real problem are invalid sniffing for UA strings by Web servers. These problems are not new. Tracking bug #334967 for these problems was written on 21 Apr 2006. The earliest bug tracked by #334967 was bug #166261, written on 2 September 2002 and now closed. Novice users of SeaMonkey and other non-Firefox browsers that use Gecko are often confused about what sniffing and spoofing are. This was readily noticed in the two threads cited above, where one user repeatedly claimed that he could not be spoofing because he didn't even know what that meant. He very strongly stated that SeaMonkey 2.0 was broken but SeaMonkey 1.1.18 was not because he could view two web sites with the latter but not with the former. When instructed how to report his UA strings for both versions of SeaMonkey in mozilla.support.seamonkey, it was seen that his SeaMonkey 1.1.18 was spoofing Firefox 2.0.0.7. When he migrated to SeaMonkey 2.0, the user-set preference variable to continue such spoofing was not included. The problem is usually attributed to invalid sniffing for Firefox when Web servers should sniff for Gecko. The real problem is that servers should not sniff at all. Interesting, informative, entertaining, aesthetically pleasing Web sites can be created that can be appropriately viewed by any modern browser without sniffing, providing those sites fully comply with the W3C specifications. To deal with this issue, I suggest the following: 1. Every detected instance of invalid sniffing must result in a bug report blocking bug #334967. Documenting the problem via Bugzilla makes it easier to communicate the problem to the Web site owner. 2. Today, much sniffing still excludes Opera, Safari, Konqueror, and Chrome let alone non-Firefox Gecko browsers. When dealing with a bug report tracked by bug #334967, Web site owners should be strongly urged not to sniff at all because sniffing is excluding potential audiences for their sites. 3. When helping users to defeat invalid sniffing, they should be advised to treat spoofing as a temporary measure. Permanent sniffing lends credence to assertions by Web developers that Firefox is the only Gecko browser visiting their sites and that no one uses SeaMonkey. Extensions such as PrefBar or User Agent Switcher should be recommended because they revert the UA string back to the browser's true UA when terminating or starting. Further, any spoofing must include the actual SeaMonkey UA string with Firefox mere added; this is required so that humans reviewing raw server logs will see that SeaMonkey is an actual browser visiting their Web sites. 4. Users must be urged to contact the site owner with a complaint about invalid sniffing, referring both to the bug report and to Gecko is Gecko athttp://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Sardisson/Gecko_is_Gecko. 5. Management at both the Mozilla Foundation and the Mozilla Corporation should make similar contacts via postal mail with executives of the companies and agencies whose Web sites are causing problems. (Many executives are still more responsive to postal mail than to E-mail.) Such contacts to U.S. companies should mention that sniffing might yield Web sites that violate the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA); contacts with U.S. federal agencies should mention that sniffing might yield Web sites that violate Section 508 of the U.S. Rehabilitation Act of 1986 (as amended in 1998). 6. If any complaint (#4 or #5 above) results in a response that no one uses SeaMonkey, the responder should be asked to review the raw server logs to see if SeaMonkey appears among the UA strings (see #3 above). -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sniffing and Spoofing
On 12/2/2009 5:09 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: I previously wrote [in part]: Two recent threads in mozilla.support.seamonkey on this issue resulted in very lengthy discussions. See SeaMonkey and U.S. Government site does not work at news://news.mozilla.org:119/so-dntlowokak43wnz2dnuvz_r6dn...@mozilla.org and Web site work in IE but not in SeaMonkey 2.0 at news://news.mozilla.org:119/xfadnab_io4m4inwnz2dnuvz_oodn...@mozilla.org. I can view the the TVGuide site with no problem and I do not have any spoofing set up. I can not view the Government site in SM 2 as I do not have any spoofing set. as shown here: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0 The issue was not about viewing the TV Guide home page. It was about viewing individual scheduled programs. I haven't tried the TV Guide site myself. I merely followed the discussion. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sniffing and Spoofing
Phillip Jones wrote: David E. Ross wrote: Two recent threads in mozilla.support.seamonkey on this issue resulted in very lengthy discussions. See SeaMonkey and U.S. Government site does not work at news://news.mozilla.org:119/so-dntlowokak43wnz2dnuvz_r6dn...@mozilla.org and Web site work in IE but not in SeaMonkey 2.0 at news://news.mozilla.org:119/xfadnab_io4m4inwnz2dnuvz_oodn...@mozilla.org. I can view the the TVGuide site with no problem and I do not have any spoofing set up. I can not view the Government site in SM 2 as I do not have any spoofing set. as shown here: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0 These are just more examples of errors being asserted in a Gecko browser when the real problem are invalid sniffing for UA strings by Web servers. These problems are not new. Tracking bug #334967 for these problems was written on 21 Apr 2006. The earliest bug tracked by #334967 was bug #166261, written on 2 September 2002 and now closed. Novice users of SeaMonkey and other non-Firefox browsers that use Gecko are often confused about what sniffing and spoofing are. This was readily noticed in the two threads cited above, where one user repeatedly claimed that he could not be spoofing because he didn't even know what that meant. He very strongly stated that SeaMonkey 2.0 was broken but SeaMonkey 1.1.18 was not because he could view two web sites with the latter but not with the former. When instructed how to report his UA strings for both versions of SeaMonkey in mozilla.support.seamonkey, it was seen that his SeaMonkey 1.1.18 was spoofing Firefox 2.0.0.7. When he migrated to SeaMonkey 2.0, the user-set preference variable to continue such spoofing was not included. The problem is usually attributed to invalid sniffing for Firefox when Web servers should sniff for Gecko. The real problem is that servers should not sniff at all. Interesting, informative, entertaining, aesthetically pleasing Web sites can be created that can be appropriately viewed by any modern browser without sniffing, providing those sites fully comply with the W3C specifications. To deal with this issue, I suggest the following: 1. Every detected instance of invalid sniffing must result in a bug report blocking bug #334967. Documenting the problem via Bugzilla makes it easier to communicate the problem to the Web site owner. 2. Today, much sniffing still excludes Opera, Safari, Konqueror, and Chrome let alone non-Firefox Gecko browsers. When dealing with a bug report tracked by bug #334967, Web site owners should be strongly urged not to sniff at all because sniffing is excluding potential audiences for their sites. 3. When helping users to defeat invalid sniffing, they should be advised to treat spoofing as a temporary measure. Permanent sniffing lends credence to assertions by Web developers that Firefox is the only Gecko browser visiting their sites and that no one uses SeaMonkey. Extensions such as PrefBar or User Agent Switcher should be recommended because they revert the UA string back to the browser's true UA when terminating or starting. Further, any spoofing must include the actual SeaMonkey UA string with Firefox mere added; this is required so that humans reviewing raw server logs will see that SeaMonkey is an actual browser visiting their Web sites. 4. Users must be urged to contact the site owner with a complaint about invalid sniffing, referring both to the bug report and to Gecko is Gecko athttp://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Sardisson/Gecko_is_Gecko. 5. Management at both the Mozilla Foundation and the Mozilla Corporation should make similar contacts via postal mail with executives of the companies and agencies whose Web sites are causing problems. (Many executives are still more responsive to postal mail than to E-mail.) Such contacts to U.S. companies should mention that sniffing might yield Web sites that violate the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA); contacts with U.S. federal agencies should mention that sniffing might yield Web sites that violate Section 508 of the U.S. Rehabilitation Act of 1986 (as amended in 1998). 6. If any complaint (#4 or #5 above) results in a response that no one uses SeaMonkey, the responder should be asked to review the raw server logs to see if SeaMonkey appears among the UA strings (see #3 above). Phillip, the TV Guide site *looks* like it displays fine in SM 2.0 or 1.1.18, but not all of the functions work. Specifically, if you go to the program listing and click onone of the shows, you are supposed to get a box with information on that show. If your UA is not spoofed, you get a blank box. If you spoof the UA as Firefox, you get the information. Please test this and report back. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 ?
Phillip Jones wrote: question wrote: Is 2.0 a beta ? At this point official no. To the newsgroup: But from a USERS standpoint, a definite YES! :-( ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sniffing and Spoofing
David E. Ross wrote: On 12/2/2009 5:09 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: I previously wrote [in part]: Two recent threads in mozilla.support.seamonkey on this issue resulted in very lengthy discussions. See SeaMonkey and U.S. Government site does not work at news://news.mozilla.org:119/so-dntlowokak43wnz2dnuvz_r6dn...@mozilla.org and Web site work in IE but not in SeaMonkey 2.0 at news://news.mozilla.org:119/xfadnab_io4m4inwnz2dnuvz_oodn...@mozilla.org. I can view the the TVGuide site with no problem and I do not have any spoofing set up. I can not view the Government site in SM 2 as I do not have any spoofing set. as shown here: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0 The issue was not about viewing the TV Guide home page. It was about viewing individual scheduled programs. I haven't tried the TV Guide site myself. I merely followed the discussion. I can't see the individual listing's either using a Mac and SM 1.1.18...but I have a question - do you have to log into the TV Guide site in order to see the individual listings?..i.e.; have a subscription? -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sniffing and Spoofing
Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 12/2/2009 5:09 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: I previously wrote [in part]: /snip/ I can't see the individual listing's either using a Mac and SM 1.1.18...but I have a question - do you have to log into the TV Guide site in order to see the individual listings?..i.e.; have a subscription? No, you just need to spoof as FF. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sniffing and Spoofing
David E. Ross wrote: 5. Management at both the Mozilla Foundation and the Mozilla Corporation should make similar contacts via postal mail with executives of the companies and agencies whose Web sites are causing problems. (Many executives are still more responsive to postal mail than to E-mail.) Excellent point. Some of today's top executives are not comfortable having anyone see them typing at a keyboard. For them typing is for administrative assistants, not for top management. Harumph!! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sniffing and Spoofing
On 12/02/2009 04:08 PM, David E. Ross wrote: Two recent threads in mozilla.support.seamonkey on this issue resulted in very lengthy discussions. See Seamonkey and U.S. Government site does not work at news://news.mozilla.org:119/so-dntlowokak43wnz2dnuvz_r6dn...@mozilla.org and Web site work in IE but not in Seamonkey 2.0 at news://news.mozilla.org:119/xfadnab_io4m4inwnz2dnuvz_oodn...@mozilla.org. These are just more examples of errors being asserted in a Gecko browser when the real problem are invalid sniffing for UA strings by Web servers. These problems are not new. Tracking bug #334967 for these problems was written on 21 Apr 2006. The earliest bug tracked by #334967 was bug #166261, written on 2 September 2002 and now closed. If you're pointing folks to bugs, I recommend that you include the full url/ui to the bug report. Many users haven't a clue as to how to view Tracking bug #334967 etc. I'll leave it up to you to provide the links. ... To deal with this issue, I suggest the following: ... 3. When helping users to defeat invalid sniffing, they should be advised to treat spoofing as a temporary measure. Permanent sniffing lends credence to assertions by Web developers that Firefox is the only Gecko browser visiting their sites and that no one uses SeaMonkey. Extensions such as PrefBar or User Agent Switcher should be recommended because they revert the UA string back to the browser's true UA when terminating or starting. Further, any spoofing must include the actual SeaMonkey UA string with Firefox mere added; this is required so that humans reviewing raw server logs will see that SeaMonkey is an actual browser visiting their Web sites. ... I pretty much agree with all but #3 (excepting the last sentence). While I certainly agree that permanent spoofing... we also need to deal with reality. I have multiple commercial customers and relatives/friends that use SeaMonkey based upon my recommendations. Quite honestly I simply do not have enough hours in the day to take trouble calls about xyz site won't display, only to find out the site is Fx sniffing. I set them up on first install with general.useragent.extra.firefox;NOT Firefox/3.5 and prefbar. Yes, I could spend time teaching them to use prefbar for spoofing each time they run into a problem with a site, but I won't bother. Ever had a clerk from a retail store call and complain that SeaMonkey can't connect to xyz site then try to troubleshoot that over the phone? Clerk puts you on hold 4-5 times while helping an in-store customer, then doesn't have the ability to modify about:config etc. So, sorry; general.useragent.extra.firefox;NOT Firefox/version is my solution one that I'll stick with for everyone I support w/SeaMonkey except my own systems. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sniffing and Spoofing
David E. Ross wrote: (snip) A great idea but getting millions of webmasters to change billions of web sites could be a problem. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sniffing and Spoofing
I think the Sniffing is a leftover from the Netscape /IE War . Thats about the only way they could come up with Accurate Numbers ... Counting the downloads of either Netscape or IE would not be that accurates as to USER who actually use what they Download. The Good old days was when we Used Winsocks and Trumpet . ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 mailnews Password issues
On 11/29/2009 08:12 PM, NoOp wrote: ... So it appears that there is something in the 2.0 password routine that gets stuck when it gets a refused password or error from the isp side. I'm not sure how to test further. I was able to reproduce the issue... copied a SM 2.0 from a backup system; first time I attempted to send I got a password prompt, entered the new smtp password, worked ok. Then had to reboot for other reasons got the: Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because the connection to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo.com was lost in the middle of the transaction. Try again or contact your network administrator. msg. Looking at the log shows: -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP Connecting to: smtp.att.yahoo.com -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP entering state: 0 -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP Response: 220 smtp107.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ESMTP -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP entering state: 14 -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP Send: EHLO [192.168.4.100] -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP entering state: 0 -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP Response: 250-smtp107.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP entering state: 0 -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP Response: 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN XYMCOOKIE -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP entering state: 0 -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP Response: 250-PIPELINING -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP entering state: 0 -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP Response: 250 8BITMIME -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP entering state: 4 -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP entering state: 21 -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP entering state: 16 -1215547552[b7511060]: Logging suppressed for this command (it probably contained authentication information) -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP entering state: 0 -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP Response: 530 Access denied -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP entering state: 18 -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP entering state: 21 -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP entering state: 15 -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP Send: AUTH LOGIN -1215547552[b7511060]: SMTP connection dropped after 147 total bytes read So I took a look at the Password manager and find that the old password is still listed. Only deleating all the pw's associated with the account closing/restarting SM fixed the problem. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sniffing and Spoofing
On 12/2/2009 7:53 PM, Paul wrote: David E. Ross wrote: (snip) A great idea but getting millions of webmasters to change billions of web sites could be a problem. Many sites that sniff for a UA string do so for specific versions. That is, they sniff for Firefox/3 and not for merely Firefox. When Firefox 4.0 is someday released, they will have to go through some site maintenance. Today, many of them are just now starting to sniff for Chrome. And every time they change a Web page, they must change for all the different browsers for which they are sniffing. Sniffing thus increases the overall maintenance effort for a Web site. There might be some upfront cost for creating a single set of Web pages (both HTML/XHTML and CSS) that have acceptable appearance for all modern browsers in place of multiple sets, one for each browser. In the long run, the cost of maintenance will drop significantly. If the pages are W3C-compliant, no new cost would be required when a new browser enters the market. Web site maintenance costs driven by outside circumstances -- by browser developers -- would be eliminated. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
