Unicode fonts
Ran into a curious issue today... it's not really a problem, at least not for me, but still curious. Let me establish the parameters first. I'm running XP SP3 with the extra fonts (Far Eastern and right-to-left) installed, so it should have a pretty good Unicode font coverage. Not only that, but I have the Code2000 font installed also, which should plug most holes Microsoft left in their coverage. I have the following browsers available: - Seamonkey 2.0.3 (primary browser) - IE 8 (fully patched) - Firefox 3.6 - Opera 10.5 - SRWare Iron 4.0.280 (equivalent to Google Chrome 4) So, I'm fooling around on Wikipedia and opened this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burmese_units_of_measurement The display of the Burmese characters, though, wasn't working right. A few of the characters were replaced by little squares with four hex characters, like on the Unicode BMP Fallback font. Which I had downloaded but not installed, by the way. Tried other browsers, with the following results: - Firefox: identical to SM - Opera: a few *less* Burmese characters displayed correctly. The ones that didn't show were replaced with thin blank rectangles. - IE8: *No* Burmese characters were displayed. Instead, I got blank squares. - Iron: Same results as in IE8. Gecko browsers still got the best results of the lot, so I guess I shouldn't complain (I don't even read non-Latin scripts, I install those extra fonts just because I think the blank characters are ugly). But still, a few things puzzle me: 1. Why Gecko and Opera achieve only *partial* success? Is this a problem with Microsoft fonts? Or does Burmese needs special fonts? All the browsers seemed to display correctly other scripts, such as Thai and Chinese. 2. Where did those fallback glyphs came from? As I said, I don't have the Unicode BMP Fallback font installed, and the other browsers don't show them. Is that a Gecko feature? 3. Even with all those Unicode fonts installed, the page still failed to display correctly in any browser. Yet I imagine that it should be displaying correctly for *someone* -- at the least, the person who wrote the entry. I wonder if this page only works correctly with Oriental versions of Windows? Or Macs, perhaps? Or is something really hosed with my computer? -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... BOFH excuse #91: Mouse chewed through power cable *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.0.3 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unicode fonts
Interviewed by CNN on 10/3/2010 13:32, MCBastos told the world: The display of the Burmese characters, though, wasn't working right. A few of the characters were replaced by little squares with four hex characters, like on the Unicode BMP Fallback font. Which I had downloaded but not installed, by the way. Ummm, forget it. Further investigation revealed that no, mainstream Unicode fonts don't support Burmese -- but that there are a few that do. Furthermore, I installed the Unicode BMP Fallback font and Gecko browsers now *only* show the fallback glyphs -- and they aren't the internal ones, those look slightly different. I have no idea what Gecko (and Opera) was using as replacements for Burmese. However, further experimentation revealed the following: - Installing a Burmese font (SIL Padauk) solved the problems with Gecko and Iron, but had no effect on Opera and IE. - Furthermore, installing fallback fonts (SIL Unicode BMP Fallback and Apple Last Resort) *broke* the correct displays for Gecko browsers -- they would display the fallback fonts instead of the Padauk glyphs. Well, at least I *imagine* those glyphs are correct. I can't read Burmese, I was only trying to get rid of the ugly blank boxes... I have to have a look on Bugzilla, there's probably a relevant bug covering this... -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... BOFH excuse #125: we just switched to Sprint. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.0.3 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unicode fonts
MCBastos wrote: Ran into a curious issue today... it's not really a problem, at least not for me, but still curious. Let me establish the parameters first. I'm running XP SP3 with the extra fonts (Far Eastern and right-to-left) installed, so it should have a pretty good Unicode font coverage. Not only that, but I have the Code2000 font installed also, which should plug most holes Microsoft left in their coverage. I have the following browsers available: - Seamonkey 2.0.3 (primary browser) - IE 8 (fully patched) - Firefox 3.6 - Opera 10.5 - SRWare Iron 4.0.280 (equivalent to Google Chrome 4) So, I'm fooling around on Wikipedia and opened this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burmese_units_of_measurement The display of the Burmese characters, though, wasn't working right. A few of the characters were replaced by little squares with four hex characters, like on the Unicode BMP Fallback font. Which I had downloaded but not installed, by the way. Tried other browsers, with the following results: - Firefox: identical to SM - Opera: a few *less* Burmese characters displayed correctly. The ones that didn't show were replaced with thin blank rectangles. - IE8: *No* Burmese characters were displayed. Instead, I got blank squares. - Iron: Same results as in IE8. Gecko browsers still got the best results of the lot, so I guess I shouldn't complain (I don't even read non-Latin scripts, I install those extra fonts just because I think the blank characters are ugly). But still, a few things puzzle me: 1. Why Gecko and Opera achieve only *partial* success? Is this a problem with Microsoft fonts? Or does Burmese needs special fonts? All the browsers seemed to display correctly other scripts, such as Thai and Chinese. 2. Where did those fallback glyphs came from? As I said, I don't have the Unicode BMP Fallback font installed, and the other browsers don't show them. Is that a Gecko feature? 3. Even with all those Unicode fonts installed, the page still failed to display correctly in any browser. Yet I imagine that it should be displaying correctly for *someone* -- at the least, the person who wrote the entry. I wonder if this page only works correctly with Oriental versions of Windows? Or Macs, perhaps? Or is something really hosed with my computer? Your running into same bug am and another user as well. I've posted, a bug, another bug was posted a while back much similar and it was resolved as invalid what amounts to they could get it to do it so the didn't believe the bug poster. I don't have this problem but just a once in a while maybe one post a month with SM 1 Seems to affect email more than anything else, and some web pages. News posting it rare for it to happen. I've tried setting SM Preferences (Mac) , in edit Mail and news group settings, and in properties of each individual mail box and news group. I even have samples: http://www.phillipmjones.net/SeaMonkeypicture002.png http://www.phillipmjones.net/SeaMonkeypicture003.png It getting progressively worse with each update. for me about every 4th to 6th email has the problem and about 1 out 20 web pages such as wikipedia that has text show that way. And another thing I have notice on newsgroups such as this despite the admonishment to use Plain text and I believe most do some post show real tiny print while others show normal sized print. I believe maybe the one that show tiny are being sent by outlook or outlook express.; because they usually have an attachment which indicates its the information used to format the text in Outlook, which Macs Can't read. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Autoupdate of SeaMonkey 2.x.x
Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:37:18 +0100, Ray_Net wrote: Prefable, so you can choose to NEVER have this happen and instead dl manually from website. But *MOST* people prefer this. Where did you find that *MOST* people prefer this. ? You have asked and collected the answers from all ? The people in the SeaMonkey forums on Mozillazine have been uniformly appreciative of the autoupdate feature. Don't take this as criticism, because I'm happy as long as I have the option to use auto update or not, but neither the people on mozillazine nor those here are an unbiased sample of the actual users. As I have found out in the past, the people involved with the software enough to follow discussion are a minority, and the subset of those who actually contribute even a comment are a minority or a minority. That means you are not taking a vote or survey, you are evaluating the arguments for one thing or another (a good thing), and that none of us has a real picture of what the I use what they give me user really wants. Most users only speak up when they are unhappy, so forums are frequently biased. I believe most people like auto upgrade vs. manual, I'm less convinced that most people want the application to change under them once they get it. I get that from some stats on Windows users being more afraid that an update MSFT pushes will break their computer than something done by evil doers. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Autoupdate of SeaMonkey 2.x.x
»Q« wrote: In news:cl6dnehxds4_xgnwnz2dnuvz_gudn...@mozilla.org, Mark Hansen m...@nospamwinfirst.com wrote: On 3/7/2010 5:10 PM, Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:37:18 +0100, Ray_Net wrote: Prefable, so you can choose to NEVER have this happen and instead dl manually from website. But *MOST* people prefer this. Where did you find that *MOST* people prefer this. ? You have asked and collected the answers from all ? The people in the SeaMonkey forums on Mozillazine have been uniformly appreciative of the autoupdate feature. In fact, I've been watching these forums for years, and it's a feature that's been begged for as long as I can remember. Another measure of how much people like it is how few people turn it off. I don't know any stats for SM, but with Fx most people leave it on. Well, a lot of them probably don't care about it one way or another, so maybe that's more a measure of how few *dislike* it. Apart from likes/dislikes, it's a huge win in terms of exploitable vulnerabilities; having most users automagically using the latest version decreases their exposure. Making automagic updates opt-in instead of opt-out would lose that benefit. Everything you say is true, but you have not said all the true things. That's a paraphrase from something... The flip side of that coin, and MSFT recently gave us a horrible example, is that if you put something bad into that trusted and largely unmonitored channel, you demonstrate the law of unintended results. So there are reasons for waiting a bit until you are sure there isn't a rash of posts about problems. People should decide which risk they want to take. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Backups
FDVS wrote: I am hoping SM has an easy way to backup emails. Right now I drag a folder to the external HD and that is my backup. One click and done. With Netscape I had to drill down to the email folder and drag that overcouldn't always find it, or even access it later. How do you backup your SM emails? On Linux I keep a copy on another machine I update regularly AND when something important comes in. For off-size I make a compressed tar file of my critical data (not just mozilla files) and put it on a USB drive which leaves when I do. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Error in SM v2.0.3 in this web page?
Phillip Pi wrote: Hello. Is anyone else getting You do not have the roles required to access this portlet. error at http://www.needforspeed.com/web/world/news/-/nfsblogs/1273547 URL? My 64 bit Dell OEM W7 HP's IE8 had no problems. No error here on that page. SM 2.0.3, XP Pro SP3. -JW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Error in SM v2.0.3 in this web page?
On or about 3/10/2010 3:49 PM, J. Weaver Jr. typed the following: Phillip Pi wrote: Hello. Is anyone else getting You do not have the roles required to access this portlet. error at http://www.needforspeed.com/web/world/news/-/nfsblogs/1273547 URL? My 64 bit Dell OEM W7 HP's IE8 had no problems. No error here on that page. SM 2.0.3, XP Pro SP3. -JW Nor Here with SM 2.0.4pre 3/8/10 -- Ed In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican. -H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Error in SM v2.0.3 in this web page?
Phillip Pi wrote: Hello. Is anyone else getting You do not have the roles required to access this portlet. error at http://www.needforspeed.com/web/world/news/-/nfsblogs/1273547 URL? My 64 bit Dell OEM W7 HP's IE8 had no problems. Thank you in advance. :) I get the same error using Windows XP and SM 2.03. -- JD.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unicode fonts
MCBastos wrote: Ran into a curious issue today... it's not really a problem, at least not for me, but still curious. Let me establish the parameters first. I'm running XP SP3 with the extra fonts (Far Eastern and right-to-left) installed, so it should have a pretty good Unicode font coverage. Not only that, but I have the Code2000 font installed also, which should plug most holes Microsoft left in their coverage. I have the following browsers available: - Seamonkey 2.0.3 (primary browser) - IE 8 (fully patched) - Firefox 3.6 - Opera 10.5 - SRWare Iron 4.0.280 (equivalent to Google Chrome 4) So, I'm fooling around on Wikipedia and opened this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burmese_units_of_measurement The display of the Burmese characters, though, wasn't working right. A few of the characters were replaced by little squares with four hex characters, like on the Unicode BMP Fallback font. Which I had downloaded but not installed, by the way. Tried other browsers, with the following results: - Firefox: identical to SM - Opera: a few *less* Burmese characters displayed correctly. The ones that didn't show were replaced with thin blank rectangles. - IE8: *No* Burmese characters were displayed. Instead, I got blank squares. - Iron: Same results as in IE8. Gecko browsers still got the best results of the lot, so I guess I shouldn't complain (I don't even read non-Latin scripts, I install those extra fonts just because I think the blank characters are ugly). But still, a few things puzzle me: 1. Why Gecko and Opera achieve only *partial* success? Is this a problem with Microsoft fonts? Or does Burmese needs special fonts? All the browsers seemed to display correctly other scripts, such as Thai and Chinese. 2. Where did those fallback glyphs came from? As I said, I don't have the Unicode BMP Fallback font installed, and the other browsers don't show them. Is that a Gecko feature? 3. Even with all those Unicode fonts installed, the page still failed to display correctly in any browser. Yet I imagine that it should be displaying correctly for *someone* -- at the least, the person who wrote the entry. I wonder if this page only works correctly with Oriental versions of Windows? Or Macs, perhaps? Or is something really hosed with my computer? One thing that's different about Burmese (like some other languages I'll mention below) is that their writing system doesn't consist of a linear sequence of glyphs in a straight line. Rather, glyphs are assembled several at a time into compound characters. So even though Chinese has thousands and thousands of glyphs, they are written in a straight line (vertically or horizontally like English), but Burmese, Tamil, Korean, Arabic, and several other languages have so-called complex scripts (M$ term). For example, a common Korean formal greeting is 안뇽 하십니까? (annyong hashimnikka?), which decomposes thus: ㅇ (null consonant for syllables beginning with vowels) ㅏ a ㄴ n ㄴ n ㅛ yo ㅇ ng (same glyph as null above, but at end of syllable) ㅎ h ㅏ a ㅅ s (pronounced /sh/ before /i/ or /y/) ㅣ i ㅂ b (pronounced /m/ before /n/) ㄴ n ㅣ i ㄲ kk ㅏ a The first character you see (assuming your software displays it correctly) is an assemblage of ㅇ + ㅏ + ㄴ (null plus a plus n) = an. Most of the scripts of India and Southeast Asia are organized into syllables like this. The Dēvanāgari script, used originally for Sanskrit and now adapted for most of the languages of India, has vowels that go above, below, to the right, and even to the left of the corresponding consonants within the syllable. Thus, the word Dēvanāgari is देवनागरि, which breaks down thus: द d (dental d) े ē (long e, written above the consonant) व v a (short a is not explicitly written) न n (dental n) ा ā (long a, written to the right of the consonant) ग g a (short a is not explicitly written) र r ि i (short i, written to the left of the consonant) So what you're seeing (assuming your software displays it correctly) looks something like this: ē d - v - nā - g - ir But the vowels are still pronounced after the consonants despite the visual arrangement. As you can imagine, programmers had to devise special tricks to get computers to render these correctly. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Problems after upgrading SeaMonkey from v1.18 to v2.03
I just did this upgrade. It seemed to run OK and all the email and bookmarks from my old profile appear to have been successfully imported. But there are a couple of issues: 1. Every time I start SeaMonkey v2.03, it asks for the master password for the software security device. This is in spite of the fact that in preferences-privacy security-master passwords I have checked the selection SeaMonkey will ask for your master password the first time it is needed. Surprisingly, if I click cancel on the password dialog box without entering the password, SeaMonkey starts normally. Although I apparently had entered a master password at some point with SeaMonkey v1.18, the program wasn't asking me for it. How do I make v2.03 stop asking me for the password? This is a VERY BIG PROBLEM for me. 2. I have several news server accounts. The first time I started SeaMonkey mail and news v2.03, it seemed to be checking for new messages in every subscribed group on every news server. Actually, I'm not 100% sure *what* it was doing, but it took quite awhile before it would let me actually view messages in newsgroups. Annoying. 3. In general, the new version seems a bit sluggish compared to the old. I thought it was supposed to be faster. 4. Trying to compare settings and behaviors between the two versions, I tried to start both at the same time. It won't let me do that. Whatever version I start first, when I click on the icon for the other version it starts a second instance of the version I have already started. Thanks! John -- Please reply in this newsgroup. I never post my real email in newsgroups to avoid spam. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Error in SM v2.0.3 in this web page?
Phillip Pi wrote: Hello. Is anyone else getting You do not have the roles required to access this portlet. error at http://www.needforspeed.com/web/world/news/-/nfsblogs/1273547 URL? My 64 bit Dell OEM W7 HP's IE8 had no problems. Thank you in advance. :) First got Redirection limit for this URL exceeded. Unable to load the requested page. This may be caused by cookies that are blocked. Enabled session cookies for the site, got the notice you describe. SM 1.1.16, WinXP SP3. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Progress Window Mockups
Benoit Renard wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: To summarize the two options: * Use one that KaiRo already submitted, which is/was partially implemented and a few vocally opposed. * DO NOT CHANGE A THING ABOUT HOW IT WAS IN SM 1.1 Choice 2 is woefully not going to happen, sorry. especially as there was no explanation on why the old UI is/was better than anything else. There was no explanation on why the old UI was bad, either. KaiRo decided to change it because of his own opinion only, and now for some unexplained reason it looks like nobody except me has the balls to put the old UI back, which was fine. There have been plenty of explanations as to why the old UI was better, but most developers don't seem to read support groups, especially mozillaZine. -clearly accessible text buttons for all actions which meant that every action was only a click away -full URL to remote file available -clear, organized grid-like design _Doesn't your explanation above give credence to my belief that_: Most developers of software go about software composition, in two different ways. 1)For pay (commercial): They develop according what the company Officers, BOD, and Investors want. 2) For open source (such as Mozilla): They develop to impress themselves and other developers. And in neither scenario, does the end user figure very little into the equation. (They can't think like end users, in either position - now if I were a user what features do I want the most. Users are beneath them kings and surfs) Note I said *most*, not *all*. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Error in SM v2.0.3 in this web page?
Phillip Pi wrote: Hello. Is anyone else getting You do not have the roles required to access this portlet. error at http://www.needforspeed.com/web/world/news/-/nfsblogs/1273547 URL? My 64 bit Dell OEM W7 HP's IE8 had no problems. Thank you in advance. :) Just opening the opening page works fine in SM 2.0.3 Macintosh version PowerBook 17 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Autoupdate of SeaMonkey 2.x.x
Bill Davidsen wrote: »Q« wrote: Innews:cl6dnehxds4_xgnwnz2dnuvz_gudn...@mozilla.org, Mark Hansenm...@nospamwinfirst.com wrote: On 3/7/2010 5:10 PM, Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:37:18 +0100, Ray_Net wrote: Prefable, so you can choose to NEVER have this happen and instead dl manually from website. But *MOST* people prefer this. Where did you find that *MOST* people prefer this. ? You have asked and collected the answers from all ? The people in the SeaMonkey forums on Mozillazine have been uniformly appreciative of the autoupdate feature. In fact, I've been watching these forums for years, and it's a feature that's been begged for as long as I can remember. Another measure of how much people like it is how few people turn it off. I don't know any stats for SM, but with Fx most people leave it on. Well, a lot of them probably don't care about it one way or another, so maybe that's more a measure of how few *dislike* it. Apart from likes/dislikes, it's a huge win in terms of exploitable vulnerabilities; having most users automagically using the latest version decreases their exposure. Making automagic updates opt-in instead of opt-out would lose that benefit. Everything you say is true, but you have not said all the true things. That's a paraphrase from something... The flip side of that coin, and MSFT recently gave us a horrible example, is that if you put something bad into that trusted and largely unmonitored channel, you demonstrate the law of unintended results. So there are reasons for waiting a bit until you are sure there isn't a rash of posts about problems. People should decide which risk they want to take. Which is the model FF uses it allows you the ability to turn off the auto update and have auto notify which is different. SM as it stands now as set up (although some one say you can control from about: config which I haven't found) it only allow for auto notify. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Problems after upgrading SeaMonkey from v1.18 to v2.03
John wrote: I just did this upgrade. It seemed to run OK and all the email and bookmarks from my old profile appear to have been successfully imported. But there are a couple of issues: 1. Every time I start SeaMonkey v2.03, it asks for the master password for the software security device. This is in spite of the fact that in preferences-privacy security-master passwords I have checked the selection SeaMonkey will ask for your master password the first time it is needed. Surprisingly, if I click cancel on the password dialog box without entering the password, SeaMonkey starts normally. Although I apparently had entered a master password at some point with SeaMonkey v1.18, the program wasn't asking me for it. How do I make v2.03 stop asking me for the password? This is a VERY BIG PROBLEM for me. 2. I have several news server accounts. The first time I started SeaMonkey mail and news v2.03, it seemed to be checking for new messages in every subscribed group on every news server. Actually, I'm not 100% sure *what* it was doing, but it took quite awhile before it would let me actually view messages in newsgroups. Annoying. 3. In general, the new version seems a bit sluggish compared to the old. I thought it was supposed to be faster. 4. Trying to compare settings and behaviors between the two versions, I tried to start both at the same time. It won't let me do that. Whatever version I start first, when I click on the icon for the other version it starts a second instance of the version I have already started. Thanks! John I should have added that this is on a computer running Windows XP Pro SP3. -- Q: What's the quickest way to get a mailbox full of spam? A: Post a message in any newsgroup using a real email address. Please reply in this newsgroup. Thank you. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Error in SM v2.0.3 in this web page?
On 3/10/10 12:30 PM, Phillip Pi wrote: Hello. Is anyone else getting You do not have the roles required to access this portlet. error at http://www.needforspeed.com/web/world/news/-/nfsblogs/1273547 URL? My 64 bit Dell OEM W7 HP's IE8 had no problems. Thank you in advance. :) For a change, this is NOT a case of invalid sniffing. Instead, the Web site requires third-party cookies. On the menu bar, go to [Edit Preferences]. On the left side of the Preferences window, select [Privacy Security Cookies]. On the Cookies pane, select the Allow all cookies radio button under Cookie Acceptance Policy. Then select the OK button. I generally avoid Web sites that require third-party cookies. Some financial institution Web sites require them. For those, I setup a separate profile that I use only for five such sites (a bank, two credit unions, a mutual fund, and a credit card). -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Progress Window Mockups
Phillip Jones wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: To summarize the two options: * Use one that KaiRo already submitted, which is/was partially implemented and a few vocally opposed. * DO NOT CHANGE A THING ABOUT HOW IT WAS IN SM 1.1 Choice 2 is woefully not going to happen, sorry. especially as there was no explanation on why the old UI is/was better than anything else. There was no explanation on why the old UI was bad, either. KaiRo decided to change it because of his own opinion only, and now for some unexplained reason it looks like nobody except me has the balls to put the old UI back, which was fine. There have been plenty of explanations as to why the old UI was better, but most developers don't seem to read support groups, especially mozillaZine. -clearly accessible text buttons for all actions which meant that every action was only a click away -full URL to remote file available -clear, organized grid-like design _Doesn't your explanation above give credence to my belief that_: Most developers of software go about software composition, in two different ways. 1)For pay (commercial): They develop according what the company Officers, BOD, and Investors want. 2) For open source (such as Mozilla): They develop to impress themselves and other developers. And in neither scenario, does the end user figure very little into the equation. (They can't think like end users, in either position - now if I were a user what features do I want the most. Users are beneath them kings and surfs) Note I said *most*, not *all*. The best coders - and spec writers - think like users, and from a user standpoint, IMO. When they don't, trouble usually ensues... Just because you're paying someone doesn't insure you get what you wanted from them - if you did, I wouldn't have a job doing what I have done, and do now. I once used to write code specs for an information management system for USMC aviators...it helped that I'm also a pilot as well as an engineer; and was also a user of their system, albeit on a smaller scale. Mostly, it became my job to translate what the Marine crews wanted into language the contracted coders could understand and then be forced to implement. High point of my career...one of them, anyway. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Browser crashes seamonkey whenever invoked since version 2.0
I've updated from 2.0 to v. 2.03 and still the browser immediately blows up the whole program every time it is invoked. The browser window tries to open and before anything fills into the all white browser window, seamonkey dies and goes to an error reporting message box. I've asked for help with this in the box and so far zero response. The problem started after a browser crash. I suspect that there is a page that was in this very last crashed session that is causing the endlessly ongoing crash, How can I clear the last session out of the way without losing all my emails and passwords etc? Best, Steve Holt ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
