Re: Flash problem on USA Today website

[Phillip Jones]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/6/10 1:43 PM, I previously wrote [in part]:

On 5/6/10 8:55 AM, WLS wrote:

I have the Shockwave Flash plug-in installed. About:Plugins shows it as
enabled.

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2347/screenshotaddons.png

However when I navigate to this page on USA Today I am told that my
browser does not have the current Flash plug-in.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6564/screenshotusatodaysnaps.png

The page works fine in Firefox and Chromium.

I'm using Seamonkey 2.0.4 on an openSUSE 11.2 Linux system.

Should I report it as a broken website, or is there a fix?


The problem has nothing to do with Flash.  The Web server is sniffing
for Firefox.  There is a bug in the sniffing code; when it finds a
browser that it does not recognize (i.e., SeaMonkey), it reacts as if
you do not have Flash.  Furthermore, sniffing for Firefox is invalid.
If sniffing can be justified at all, the server should sniff for Gecko.
  See.

I might submit a Mozilla bug
report (Tech Evangelism), in which case I will post another reply here.


Oops!  The bug report on this was submitted almost 8 years ago.  See bug
#165538 at.

If it been filled 8 years ago you think USA Today gives a rats behind 
about the problem?


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Re: Testing For SeaMonkey 2.0.5 - help wanted!

[Ray_Net]

Daniel wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Hi everyone,

All the builds for SeaMonkey 2.0.5 have been created (updates are in
work right now, will be available on the betatest channel soon, going to
beta as soon as I have a few reports of the builds not being busted), so
it's time for starting tests on them to ensure we get an update out
there that is worth shipping to all our 2.0.x users.


Robert, it just occured to me, nowadays most people would be using the
Seamonkey update function, rather than downloading the entire 10-12Mbyte
program file each time.

I prefer to download the big file, this way i can de-install the new 
version and re-intall the old one ...

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Re: Anyone having FaceBook login problem?

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Thu, 06 May 2010 17:52:44 -0400, /question/:


What is a Facebook ?


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Facebook
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Re: PDF files as attachments that won't open.

[Mark Hansen]

On 5/5/2010 8:58 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:
> I wish folks would but what system they use within the text of the post. 
> Many things about SeaMonkey  are mostly the same between platforms. How 
> your arrive at that point sometimes is different. I use the normal 
> window for headers which doesn't show the  the platform  using a Laptop 
> your limited to screen real estate as it is with out using the larger 
> window for all.
> 

Just hit Ctrl-U (or whatever it is on the Mac for View Source) and
look at the User-Agent: header. It's no guarantee, but it's probably
right most of the time.
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Re: Anyone having FaceBook login problem?

[question]

Stan wrote:

This morning I cannot login to FaceBook. Tells me I don't have cookies.
Tried rechecking cookies accepted. Next it just seems to loop at login
point.

Tried it on IE and it works fine.Can't figure a way to contact FaceBook.

Stan


What is a Facebook ?
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Re: How to set up a Newsgroup Subscription

[Mark Hansen]

On 5/5/2010 6:24 AM, Beorc kano wrote:
> On 5/5/2010 8:14 AM, Mark Hansen wrote:
>> On 5/4/2010 7:31 PM, chicagofan wrote:
>>> That might not be a bad idea.  I've read of lots of people with profile
>>> problems, and I think many them had to reinstall SM.  I haven't had that
>>> problem, so I can't offer any useful advice.
>>>
>>> Hopefully, someone else will chime in with some suggestions.
>>> bj
>>
>> FYI: Uninstalling/reinstalling SeaMonkey doesn't clean out any problems
>> which may be in the profile.
> But if the profile were misconfigured in the program itself due to an 
> error or somesuch during installation, would not uninstalling it 
> completely and starting from scratch have a possibility of correcting 
> the configuration error?

If the specific program were designed to do so, then yes. It would be
up to each program designer to decide what to do in such cases.

As for SeaMonkey, I don't believe it will. However, I'm not one of
its designers so factor that in to how you value my answer.

If you feel the problem you're having is due to a corruption in the
profile, the best way to diagnose that is to create a new profile.
You can do this without re-installing the software. If the new
profile doesn't exhibit the unwanted behavior, then your original
profile may be corrupted (or otherwise have a problem).

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Re: Flash problem on USA Today website

[WLS]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/6/10 1:43 PM, I previously wrote [in part]:

On 5/6/10 8:55 AM, WLS wrote:

I have the Shockwave Flash plug-in installed. About:Plugins shows it as
enabled.

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2347/screenshotaddons.png

However when I navigate to this page on USA Today I am told that my
browser does not have the current Flash plug-in.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6564/screenshotusatodaysnaps.png

The page works fine in Firefox and Chromium.

I'm using Seamonkey 2.0.4 on an openSUSE 11.2 Linux system.

Should I report it as a broken website, or is there a fix?


The problem has nothing to do with Flash.  The Web server is sniffing
for Firefox.  There is a bug in the sniffing code; when it finds a
browser that it does not recognize (i.e., SeaMonkey), it reacts as if
you do not have Flash.  Furthermore, sniffing for Firefox is invalid.
If sniffing can be justified at all, the server should sniff for Gecko.
  See.

I might submit a Mozilla bug
report (Tech Evangelism), in which case I will post another reply here.


Oops!  The bug report on this was submitted almost 8 years ago.  See bug
#165538 at.



Thanks for the reply. I'll inlude the page URI in any future posts.


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Re: Flash problem on USA Today website

[David E. Ross]

On 5/6/10 1:43 PM, I previously wrote [in part]:
> On 5/6/10 8:55 AM, WLS wrote:
>> I have the Shockwave Flash plug-in installed. About:Plugins shows it as 
>> enabled.
>>
>> http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2347/screenshotaddons.png
>>
>> However when I navigate to this page on USA Today I am told that my 
>> browser does not have the current Flash plug-in.
>>
>> http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6564/screenshotusatodaysnaps.png
>>
>> The page works fine in Firefox and Chromium.
>>
>> I'm using Seamonkey 2.0.4 on an openSUSE 11.2 Linux system.
>>
>> Should I report it as a broken website, or is there a fix?
> 
> The problem has nothing to do with Flash.  The Web server is sniffing
> for Firefox.  There is a bug in the sniffing code; when it finds a
> browser that it does not recognize (i.e., SeaMonkey), it reacts as if
> you do not have Flash.  Furthermore, sniffing for Firefox is invalid.
> If sniffing can be justified at all, the server should sniff for Gecko.
>  See .
> 
> I might submit a Mozilla bug
> report (Tech Evangelism), in which case I will post another reply here.

Oops!  The bug report on this was submitted almost 8 years ago.  See bug
#165538 at .

-- 
David E. Ross


Go to Mozdev at  for quick access to
extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.
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Re: WMP

[David E. Ross]

On 4/20/10 6:41 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 4/20/2010 12:01 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>> David E. Ross wrote:
> ...
>>> To defeat sniffing, use any of the various extensions that allow you to
>>> spoof Firefox.  For an explanation of "spoofing", see my
>>> .
>>>
>> You can do that, but it's one more thing to track, update, etc. You can also 
>> go 
>> into about:config and select "useragent" in the select box. Right click and 
>> define a new string value called general.useragent.extra.firefox with a 
>> string 
>> value of "NOT Firefox/3.5.3" (or 3.0.11 for 1.1.xx). This will cause 
>> sniffinf 
>> for firefox to match and everything to work. And you need no extensions to 
>> maintain.
>>
> 
> I think that instead you'd want to add:
> general.useragent.extra.firefox
> and set the string accordingly.
> 
> However I ran across a site this weekend that didn't accept even that.
> So I ended up putting this in the string instead:
> Firefox/3.6.3 (NOT - it's  really SeaMonkey! Stop browser sniffing)
> 
> Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US;
> rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Firefox/3.6.3 (NOT - it's  really SeaMonkey!
> Stop browser sniffing) Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.4
> 
> That worked. Site is here:
> http://www.microsoft.com/getsilverlight/Get-Started/Install/Default.aspx
> 
> WRT David's point; it's not always possible, or easy, to train someone
> using SeaMonkey to try a prebar or other such spoofing client. Most of
> the time I'd just rather use general.useragent.extra.firefox and be done
> with it as I don't really have time to investigate why a website is
> working with Firefox & not with SeaMonkey.

I strongly recommend against setting a preference variable to spoof
permanently.  It causes misleading information to appear in server logs.
 As a result, Web developers fail to recognize any use of SeaMonkey and
thus develop even more Web sites that sniff for "Firefox" instead of
"Gecko".  (Of course, there is usually no good reason for sniffing at all.)

-- 
David E. Ross


Go to Mozdev at  for quick access to
extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
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Re: Flash problem on USA Today website

[David E. Ross]

On 5/6/10 8:55 AM, WLS wrote:
> I have the Shockwave Flash plug-in installed. About:Plugins shows it as 
> enabled.
> 
> http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2347/screenshotaddons.png
> 
> However when I navigate to this page on USA Today I am told that my 
> browser does not have the current Flash plug-in.
> 
> http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6564/screenshotusatodaysnaps.png
> 
> The page works fine in Firefox and Chromium.
> 
> I'm using Seamonkey 2.0.4 on an openSUSE 11.2 Linux system.
> 
> Should I report it as a broken website, or is there a fix?

In the future, please put the URI for the problematic page in your
message.  Individuals attempting to help you should be able to select
the link from within your message.  Instead, I had to type the URI
manually into SeaMonkey, which (of course) could result in typos.

The problem has nothing to do with Flash.  The Web server is sniffing
for Firefox.  There is a bug in the sniffing code; when it finds a
browser that it does not recognize (i.e., SeaMonkey), it reacts as if
you do not have Flash.  Furthermore, sniffing for Firefox is invalid.
If sniffing can be justified at all, the server should sniff for Gecko.
 See .

You should report this problem to the Web site's owner.  While Internet
feedback might be okay, a minimally technical postal letter to the USA
Today's CEO might be more effective.  I might submit a Mozilla bug
report (Tech Evangelism), in which case I will post another reply here.
 If you delay the letter, you might cite the bug report.

In the meantime, install either PrefBar or another extension that allows
you to spoof Firefox.  These allow you to spoof when necessary but also
remove the spoofing on startup.  I strongly recommend against setting
any preference variable that permanently spoofs because that places
misleading information into server logs, hiding the use of SeaMonkey and
making Web developers think they can ignore this browser.

For an explanation of sniffing, see my
.  For an
explanation of spoofing, see my
.

-- 
David E. Ross


Go to Mozdev at  for quick access to
extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
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Re: What does "select all" do in compose? (instead of the obvious)

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Thu, 06 May 2010 13:54:56 -0400, /Bill Davidsen/:

I recently got a message which was sent to me and 104 of the sender's 
closest friends. It's not a spam or chain letter, and I want it on 
another account, so I selected "forward as new" and got a compose 
window. In it were 104 addresses. Rather than delete all of them one 
at a time, I right clicked the first one, and clicked "select all" on 
the menu, so I could just delete tham all. Doesn't work, tried on 
1.1.16, 1.1.18, 2.0.4 and 2.0.5-test.


Can someone give me a hint as to what this feature does, if anything?

Tested on various Linux 32 and 64 bit and WinXP in a VM.


"Select All" selects all of the text in the text field you've 
right-clicked into.  If you want to mass remove the addresses use the 
"Address" button on the toolbar, or the Options -> Select Addresses 
menu.  In the dialog there you could select multiple addresses and 
remove them at once.


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What does "select all" do in compose? (instead of the obvious)

[Bill Davidsen]

I recently got a message which was sent to me and 104 of the sender's closest 
friends. It's not a spam or chain letter, and I want it on another account, so I 
selected "forward as new" and got a compose window. In it were 104 addresses. 
Rather than delete all of them one at a time, I right clicked the first one, and 
clicked "select all" on the menu, so I could just delete tham all. Doesn't work, 
tried on 1.1.16, 1.1.18, 2.0.4 and 2.0.5-test.


Can someone give me a hint as to what this feature does, if anything?

Tested on various Linux 32 and 64 bit and WinXP in a VM.

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  "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
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Re: WMP

[Bill Davidsen]

NoOp wrote:

On 4/20/2010 12:01 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

...

To defeat sniffing, use any of the various extensions that allow you to
spoof Firefox.  For an explanation of "spoofing", see my
.

You can do that, but it's one more thing to track, update, etc. You can also go 
into about:config and select "useragent" in the select box. Right click and 
define a new string value called general.useragent.extra.firefox with a string 
value of "NOT Firefox/3.5.3" (or 3.0.11 for 1.1.xx). This will cause sniffinf 
for firefox to match and everything to work. And you need no extensions to maintain.




I think that instead you'd want to add:
general.useragent.extra.firefox
and set the string accordingly.

I don't understand the "instead" here, is there a difference between what I 
suggested and what you meant "instead?"


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the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
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Flash problem on USA Today website

[WLS]

I have the Shockwave Flash plug-in installed. About:Plugins shows it as 
enabled.


http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2347/screenshotaddons.png

However when I navigate to this page on USA Today I am told that my 
browser does not have the current Flash plug-in.


http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6564/screenshotusatodaysnaps.png

The page works fine in Firefox and Chromium.

I'm using Seamonkey 2.0.4 on an openSUSE 11.2 Linux system.

Should I report it as a broken website, or is there a fix?
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SM 2.0.4 Crash in Ubuntu Linux

[Lou]

I recently installed Kubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx and Seamonkey2 from the 
repositories.  I'm getting random crashes, with the following error 
shown in the terminal:

--
The program 'seamonkey-2.0-bin' received an X Window System error.
This probably reflects a bug in the program.
The error was 'RenderBadPicture (invalid Picture parameter)'.
  (Details: serial 877506 error_code 175 request_code 153 minor_code 7)
  (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
   that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
   To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
   option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
   backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() 
function.)

---

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) 
Gecko/20100428 SeaMonkey/2.0.4

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Re: Testing For SeaMonkey 2.0.5 - help wanted!

[Robert Kaiser]

Daniel schrieb:

Is there any testing done on the update file??


You can test now already on the betatest channel, and today or tomorrow 
we'll push updates live on the beta channel, which will serve it to 
everyone who had a 2.0 alpha or beta and went to stable versions via 
updates - and to the few who intentionally did set theirselves to the 
beta channel, of course.


Robert Kaiser
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Re: Folders handling in SM2

[NFN Smith]

Following up on my own post...

NFN Smith wrote:



Two specific things that are happening:

1) Occasionally, in the folders pane, a folder with subfolders will stop
showing the list of subfolders.


I haven't seen this problem since my previous post.  Maybe that problem 
has gone away with 2.0.4.




2) On another account in the same profile, I've set up several search
folders, but they're no longer appearing at all, even with multiple
restarts of SeaMonkey.  However, if I redo a search, and then try to
save the search as a search folder (with the same name), I get a
conflict that notes that there's already a folder with that name.

This particular account is an IMAP account.


Interesting observation

I continue to have search folders not visible if I launch the mail 
client via either menu (Window -> Mail & News) or keyboard shortcut 
(Ctrl + 2).  However, if I launch the mail client from a Windows 
shortcut  (seamonkey.exe -mail), then I am seeing my search folders.


Is this a bug that needs to be reported?

Smith
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Re: How do I remove 'remembered' personal information from SeaMonkey

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Thu, 06 May 2010 11:47:01 +0100, /Wykeham/:


It's handy that SeaMonkey 2.0.4 remembers my address, phone number,
email address etc to insert automatically in frequently completed
on-line forms. That saves a lot of faffing with extensive (and
potentially inaccurate) keyboard entry.

However, how do I remove bits of information I don't want remembered -
eg credit card numbers? I can't find where this information is stored in
order to delete the unwanted bits.


I think this has been pointed out couple of times:

When you focus the form field for which you want specific remembered 
entry removed open its auto-completion list, either by 
double-clicking with the mouse in it or pressing the down arrow on 
your keyboard, select the specific entry you want removed and press 
Shift+Del - does it work for you?


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Re: Moving email messages between computers

[Phillip Jones]

Wykeham wrote:

I can't work out how to move either individual mail messages or complete
mail folders between two PCs both running SeaMonkey 2.04.

I can copy and move the whole profile, but that seems cumbersome, and
isn't what I want to do.  I want a complete record of emails on one
computer, but I sometimes have to download them on the other machine -
and then I need to transfer them.  But how?

Any suggestions, please?

Alan Hedges


First set the version of SeaMonkey on the machine you don't want to keep 
records so that you can read but leaves the messages on the server. And 
also not to check for email  That would be in Mail & news account 
settings. Then click on the disconnect cable icon at bottom of screen 
(or whatever and where ever the disconnect item is down load any items 
before going off air.


Next on your computer locate the profile in use for SeaMonkey and open 
the Mail Directory. Next copy the inbox of each email account to the 
desktop. Now change the name by adding a *1* or an *a* to the end.


Save these to a USB Stick. On your other computer. Open your profile and 
drop the save items into mail directory.


Start SM on this computer and go to Mail. these items you  transferred 
should now show up and you can  read them if you want to drag and drop 
the contents of the new items into your inbox. (if your computer allows 
drag and drop)


Do not copy the .msf files they are regenerated the first time you open 
an item up.


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Re: Testing For SeaMonkey 2.0.5 - help wanted!

[Dr. Wolfgang Roeckelein]

Daniel wrote:
> Robert, it just occured to me, nowadays most people would be using the
> Seamonkey update function, rather than downloading the entire 10-12Mbyte
> program file each time.
> 
> Is there any testing done on the update file??

Robert Kaiser wrote:
> (updates are in work right now, will be available on the betatest channel 
> soon, going to beta as soon as I have a few reports of the builds not being 
> busted)

eg. I am currently on the beta channel, so I will test the update procedure as
soon as it is on this channel.

Regards
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Re: Testing For SeaMonkey 2.0.5 - help wanted!

[Daniel]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Hi everyone,

All the builds for SeaMonkey 2.0.5 have been created (updates are in
work right now, will be available on the betatest channel soon, going to
beta as soon as I have a few reports of the builds not being busted), so
it's time for starting tests on them to ensure we get an update out
there that is worth shipping to all our 2.0.x users.


Robert, it just occured to me, nowadays most people would be using the 
Seamonkey update function, rather than downloading the entire 10-12Mbyte 
program file each time.


Is there any testing done on the update file??

Daniel
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Re: SM 2.04: missing all old messages from most folders

[Smiles]

flyguy wrote:

On 4/21/2010 6:34 PM, flyguy wrote:

I upgraded from 1.1.18 to 2.03 about 3 weeks ago, then to 2.04. I just
noticed most of my folders are missing all but one of their messages.
Some folders had hundreds of messages. My wife also just noticed she had
many missing messages (she's on a different computer - both using XP).
I've deleted my msf files, but that didn't change anything.

My profile is 950 mb; my backup from 1.1.18, just before I installed SM
2.03, has 1050 mb. So, it seems like they might still be there. So, how
do I get the messages to show up in the folders so I can access them?


I believe I have found the reason the emails were deleted: the "Disk
Space" setting in the "Mail and Newsgroup Account Settings" was set to
delete emails after 60 days. My 1.1.18 profile is set for "Don't delete
any emails", so I don't know how it got set incorrectly in 2.03. The
same thing happened on my wife's computer, which was updated from 1.1.18
about a week after I did mine.

To regain access to the old emails, I'm planning to add a user account
with SM 1.1.18 and the old profile. When I need an old email, I'll get
it from that account. Eventually, I might try to move some of the
folders over to the SM 2 I currently use.

When I did that mistake I created an account called dummy
copy over my inbox and other folders from that dummy account used the 
file option to move them into the correct location in my good account 
then deleted dummy account


hope this helps
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How do I remove 'remembered' personal information from SeaMonkey

[Wykeham]

It's handy that SeaMonkey 2.0.4 remembers my address, phone number, 
email address etc to insert automatically in frequently completed 
on-line forms. That saves a lot of faffing with extensive (and 
potentially inaccurate) keyboard entry.


However, how do I remove bits of information I don't want remembered - 
eg credit card numbers?  I can't find where this information is stored 
in order to delete the unwanted bits.


I don't remember it asking me what I wanted stored, it seems to make up 
its own mind.


I don't want to stop this auto-completion altogether, just be more 
selective about what it does and doesn't remember.


Any suggestions?

Thanks and best wishes

Alan Hedges
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Moving email messages between computers

[Wykeham]

I can't work out how to move either individual mail messages or complete 
mail folders between two PCs both running SeaMonkey 2.04.


I can copy and move the whole profile, but that seems cumbersome, and 
isn't what I want to do.  I want a complete record of emails on one 
computer, but I sometimes have to download them on the other machine - 
and then I need to transfer them.  But how?


Any suggestions, please?

Alan Hedges
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