Re: Can't Get Hotmail
JeffM wrote: David E. Ross wrote: My wife uses SeaMonkey 1.1.19. Her old PC does not have the capacity for Windows XP, so she still uses Windows 98. However, her PC is starting to get cranky; Can you narrow it down to the hardware or the software? (Tried to boot to a Linux CD?) so I think I might get her a new one before the end of the year. Maybe all you need to do is to dump M$ and install a proper OS. http://google.com/search?q=MEPIS+antiX+%22+Windows.98%22+-xp+-filetransitnum=20 Who is paying you to stress people using linux ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Clearing private data -- do it now!
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I recently visited an online site that accepts political contributions for a variety of candidates. I entered my credit card info to make a contribution, printed my receipt, and left. The next time I visited, The same contribution site? SeaMonkey had all the credit card info stored and ready to go, which was really scary. I poked around and couldn't find any way to prohibit it from storing info entered in this field or at this site, so I ended up with the heavy-handed solution of purging ALL saved data, which will be a safe inconvenience. I've now disabled this dangerous feature (after ten minutes of searching for the checkbox in the prefs -- it was just as hard to find as last time), because a) It never warned me that it was saving credit card info; It wasn't. It merely saves formfield data. It doesn't know it's a credit card. It's just text to the browser. It's credit card info, and I don't care that the browser is too stupid to know. Any human being who double-clicks on a credit card number field (no matter how it's coded) and sees a 16-digit number pop up will know precisely what it is. b) There seems to be no way to prevent it from saving credit card info -- it sees all form data as equally eligible. Ah, you understand. Browsers don't save specific types of info. They save based on the name and ID of the form field(s). If, for example, thatinput field was named ccnumber the browser would save what you typed. If you went to an entirely different web site and there was a field there *also* named ccnumber, you card number would show up there as well. However, if at the next site the author used the field name of ccinfo you would *not* see your previously entered credit card number. In the source HTML, you will find code similar to this: input type=text id=ccnumber name=ccnumber size=16 But don't worry. Nobody can see that except you and whoever is sitting at your computer. The web site can't see it until you click the Submit button. My worry isn't that the website might see it. My worry is that another person who gains physical access to my computer might see it. In this age of laptops, isn't that something the developers should plan for? c) There seems to be no way to inspect or edit saved data, so I can't even be sure SeaMonkey really did purge the data. You could check by revisiting the site and see if your data shows up on the form. As far as I'm concerned, this is a major security hole that should be fixed as soon as possible. If saving form data was removed, a lot of folks would be unhappy. It's not a security hole and the behaviour will not be altered. That isn't what I said, nor what I want (see my remark about a safe inconvenience). I want to be able to /enter/ credit card info on secure sites as needed, but prevent the browser from ever saving it. AFAIK, there is no way to distinguish private data (send this one time but as soon as you do, forget it) from other data (remember for my convenience). I'm perfectly capable of making the distinction myself, but there's no way for me to tell the program. So right now, the only way of preventing the browser from saving cc info is to disable the form history feature entirely. That's unacceptable (because most users won't do it) and inconvenient (because those who are smart enough to do it lose the functionality). A bad workaround with the feature enabled is to try to remember, each and every time I submit cc info, to clear the form history the moment the card is accepted. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Eliminating 'remembered' data
HenriK wrote: With SeaMonkey 2.06 running under XP-Pro SP3 + all subsequent XP upgrades, I find that with certain websites where I fill in data to use the site I am visiting, SeaMonkey has 'remembered' what I entered the last time I was using that particular website and this previously entered data automatically pops up as I start to fill in the box where the information previously entered. SeaMonkey is not 'remembering' passwords that I enter, however. I am uncomfortable, for security reasons, with SeaMonkey keeping previously entered data somewhere. What part of the program is responsible for this and how do I get the 'remembering' to stop? In case this could be an add-on caused problem, I have Better Privacy, ChatZilla, DOM Inspector, Down Them All, JavaScript Debugger, and NoScript installed. Help! All advice, suggestions, and/or pointers to appropriate tutorials will be most appreciated. Henrik, now that I read your post correctly (sorry about my previous response!), you have me really wondering. Back in SeaMonkey Version 1, that function of remembering site date (Your Name, Address, that type of stuff) was incorporated in the program. With the move to SM Ver 2.x, this function was deliberately left out, so some of the regulars here were very slow in moving from Ver 1 to Ver 2, but, eventually work-around or two was found that would remember your information. I think the data remember function may re-appear in later versions (maybe), but I've got no explanation for why you're getting this function..unless *YOU* have installed an extension to do it!! Don't know if that's of any use to you, but that's the situation as I understand it. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email problem
ldj1...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Rickles wrote: ldj1...@sbcglobal.net wrote: All of a sudden today I get a message saying inbox folder is full. I have deleted over 1000 messages, compacted the folder, closed and reopened mail, and restarted the computer. Still get the message inbox full when I try to get mail. Any help appreciated in how to fix this. L.D. In addition to the mailbox cleanup and compact actions, check to see how much hard drive space you've got available, wherever the profile is stored. If your profile is in a non-default location, that hard drive volume may be running out of space. I checked hard drive space. More than half free. I can't find inbox folder. Looked in Mozilla, Seamonkey and did a search for inbox You're not looking for an inbox folder, you are looking for an inbox file. In SeaMonkey, have a look at Edit-MailNewsgroup Account Settings and select Server Settings for your mail account. At the bottom of that screen, Local directory tells you were SeaMonkey thinks your mail account files are, so this is where you should be looking in your Windows Explorer or My Computer. *Note* by default, Windows XP hides anything more than two levels down (i.e. below C:\First Level\Second Level) from view, so you may need to un-hide these levels before you can see them. HTH Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Clearing private data -- do it now!
On Oct 1, 10:59 am, Paul B. Gallagher pau...@pbgdashtranslations.com wrote: So right now, the only way of preventing the browser from saving cc info is to disable the form history feature entirely. That's unacceptable (because most users won't do it) and inconvenient (because those who are smart enough to do it lose the functionality). A bad workaround with the feature enabled is to try to remember, each and every time I submit cc info, to clear the form history the moment the card is accepted. A better workaround is offered by the previously mentioned Form History Control add-on. This add-on offers the ability to add cleanup- criteria using regular expressions, thus the actual credit card number is not needed in the cleanup configuration. The regular expression for detecting cc-numbers is predefined and can be chosen from a list. Furthermore the actual cleanup can automatically be performed at browser shut-down and/or when the browser-tab is closed. And cc-numbers imho are just the tip of the iceberg. What about the information you type in when doing online private banking? You can not expect the browser to recognize this highly sensitive data as well. You can also us the mentioned add-on to cleanup this information too but leave the data you wish to keep. Another alternative is to use the Private Browsing mode whenever you do not want any data stored on your computer. In private browsing mode nothing will be stored at all. Stephan ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can't Get Hotmail
Ray_Net wrote: Who is paying you to stress people using linux ? It's called sharing. As the user of a Free Software online suite, you should be familiar with the concept. People who mention a 12-year-old M$ OS (which is always running as root) often have experienced being pwned by a drive-by infection or borking their OS by deleting system files. There are numerous Free Software distros which will work on gear of that vintage and which don't have those problems. People who run those very old M$ OSes on very old boxes are also finding that the brand new peripherals they can buy don't have Win98 device drivers. Linux, OTOH, has the best hardware support of *ANY* OS. Windoze also continues to use the fragile, cumbersome Windoze Registry. Linux doesn't have that either. Windoze has always had Windoze Product Keys; the latest M$ OSes now have Windoze Product Activation and Windoze Genuine DISadvantage (aka remote kill switches controlled by M$). Linux doesn't have ANY of that nonsense. Many people think their ONLY choice is to buy new gear and get a new M$ OS. Largely because of M$'s illegal anti-competitive activities, may folks are not even *aware* that they have OTHER options. Linux is a solution that is available at zero cost --without the M$ gotchas. It works on old gear and you *don't* have to install it to try it. (Linux will **run** from the plastic disk.) Many have found Linux to be a way to give new life to old gear. Others cast off their old boxes (which are then picked up for a song--or even for free-- by Linux guys who restore their usefulness for $0). http://google.com/search?q=Helios-Project+Ken-Starks The point is that folks have choices. The fact that there are zero-cost solutions to problems is also appealing to some. ...and, again, the openness of Free Software is another factor that may be appealing. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can't Play Video
Ed Mullen wrote: Larry wrote: The Web site is: http://www.therightscoop.com/daniel-hannan-has-warning-for-america The video just appears as a black rectangle. Am I missing a specialized player of some sort? Have I stopped it with some setting? I've run out of ideas. Larry The video is not on that domain, it's on Fox News. You probably have your preferences for Flash set to disallow videos from third-party URLs. http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager04.html Well, that didn't work. It had been set to Always Ask, but it didn't ask. Changed it to Always Allow but that didn't make any difference, even after a restart. Here's another Web site, http://www.intellicast.com/Local/WxMap.aspx?location=USNH0020weather=hdRadarSmoothPaletteA, which presents either a blank gray image or a progress bar that stops half way through initializing. Same problem? If not Flash, is there a SeaMonkey setting I've overlooked in my search? (Most videos work well.) Larry ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Clearing private data -- do it now!
personally, I would suspect that the site saved the information in one of it's cookies... since it's a local political group, the probability is high that the site is run by young volunteers who may not have a good understanding of contributors' privacy concerns. edit/pref/advanced/privacy/forms/uncheck... edit/pref/advanced/privacy/forms/manage/remove... Not sure where it's located, but sm 1.1.17 _asks_ if I want to save the data after it's entered. fwiw, a good keyboard macro program can bypass the sm forms data completely, is faster and more accurate to use that then, give you more control and allow you to keep sensitive information in a secure location. Finally, consider dedicating one _credit_ card as a web only, only web card and have the provider set it's limit low... the way things are going, doing so has a good chance of paying off later. Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Clearing private data -- do it now!
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: ... I poked around and couldn't find any way to prohibit it from storing info entered in this field or at this site, so I ended up with the heavy-handed solution of purging ALL saved data, which will be a safe inconvenience. I've now disabled this dangerous feature (after ten minutes of searching for the checkbox in the prefs -- it was just as hard to find as last time), because a) It never warned me that it was saving credit card info; It wasn't. Why make false statements? (Even if the browser doesn't _know_ that it wass saving credit card info, it was saving credit card info, just as Paul wrote.) It merely saves formfield data. It doesn't know it's a credit card. It's just text to the browser. ... c) There seems to be no way to inspect or edit saved data, so I can't even be sure SeaMonkey really did purge the data. You could check by revisiting the site and see if your data shows up on the form. That depends on that site's still being accessible and still being the same. Being able to check your saved data shouldn't depend on something external like that. As far as I'm concerned, this is a major security hole that should be fixed as soon as possible. If saving form data was removed, a lot of folks would be unhappy. It's not a security hole and the behaviour will not be altered. Not being able to see your data reasonably is a security risk. (If you don't know what's in it, you can't know what level of protection you really want to apply to it, and you can't remove data that's more sensitive than the level of protection you have.) Why are you assuming that the only solution is to completely remove the feature of saving form data and summarily declaring that behavior won't be altered, period (full stop)? Why not consider solutions that would keep the feature (saving and re-using the data) but let users review what data is stored? (Even if the value of a detailed review-and-editing GUI is not worth the effort required, a simple view-only page would at least let someone like Paul know whether there was any sensitive data stored or not, and he could avoid purging all the saved data when he thinks he _might_ have some sensitive data in there but can see and confirm that he actually doesn't.) Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Clearing private data -- do it now!
Beverly Howard wrote: personally, I would suspect that the site saved the information in one of its cookies... since it's a local political group, the probability is high that the site is run by young volunteers who may not have a good understanding of contributors' privacy concerns. edit/pref/advanced/privacy/forms/uncheck... edit/pref/advanced/privacy/forms/manage/remove... No, because I have SM set to clear all cookies on shutdown (i.e., accept only session cookies), and this happened after a relaunch. Not sure where it's located, but sm 1.1.17 _asks_ if I want to save the data after it's entered. But V.2 does not. That's one of my chief complaints in this thread. It doesn't ask, I can't stop it, and once it's happened there's no way to remove or even edit the data. Except, of course, to disable the feature entirely, which also eliminates nonsensitive info. This business of saving sensitive data without my permission and against my will, and making the decision for me without asking, is very Microsoft. I wouldn't have expected it from a Mozilla program. fwiw, a good keyboard macro program can bypass the sm forms data completely, is faster and more accurate to use that then, give you more control and allow you to keep sensitive information in a secure location. My point is that I /don't/ want to keep sensitive info on my computer. I want to enter it only as necessary at secure sites. What the computer doesn't know can't be hacked or stolen. Finally, consider dedicating one _credit_ card as a web only, only web card and have the provider set its limit low... the way things are going, doing so has a good chance of paying off later. Or else get software that minds its own $^$ business... P.S. Forgive me for removing all your grocer's apostrophes. I can't abide them, and they make a smart guy look illiterate. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Clearing private data -- do it now!
Stephan Mahieu wrote: On Oct 1, 10:59 am, Paul B. Gallagher pau...@pbgdashtranslations.com wrote: So right now, the only way of preventing the browser from saving cc info is to disable the form history feature entirely. That's unacceptable (because most users won't do it) and inconvenient (because those who are smart enough to do it lose the functionality). A bad workaround with the feature enabled is to try to remember, each and every time I submit cc info, to clear the form history the moment the card is accepted. A better workaround is offered by the previously mentioned Form History Control add-on. This add-on offers the ability to add cleanup- criteria using regular expressions, thus the actual credit card number is not needed in the cleanup configuration. The regular expression for detecting cc-numbers is predefined and can be chosen from a list. Furthermore the actual cleanup can automatically be performed at browser shut-down and/or when the browser-tab is closed. And cc-numbers imho are just the tip of the iceberg. What about the information you type in when doing online private banking? You can not expect the browser to recognize this highly sensitive data as well. You can also us the mentioned add-on to cleanup this information too but leave the data you wish to keep. Thank you, this sounds like something worth looking into. Another alternative is to use the Private Browsing mode whenever you do not want any data stored on your computer. In private browsing mode nothing will be stored at all. Is Private Browsing mode a feature of SM itself, or of your add-on? -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey is already running, but is not responding....
I am getting this message with SM 2.08 "SeaMonkey is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing SeaMonkey process, or restart your system." SM is not running on task manager/processes. I can run SM 1.1.17 fine. I have reinstalled, rebooted x10 with no results. Looked for parent.lock file - not there. My user profiles are on another drive to save space on C and to protect them in case of a crash but I have done this for 10 years with every version of SM and Netscape. Just joined here and searched archives for this problem with no results. Help please! Jama ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can't Play Video
Larry wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Larry wrote: The Web site is: http://www.therightscoop.com/daniel-hannan-has-warning-for-america The video just appears as a black rectangle. Am I missing a specialized player of some sort? Have I stopped it with some setting? I've run out of ideas. Larry The video is not on that domain, it's on Fox News. You probably have your preferences for Flash set to disallow videos from third-party URLs. http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager04.html Well, that didn't work. It had been set to Always Ask, but it didn't ask. Changed it to Always Allow but that didn't make any difference, even after a restart. Here's another Web site, http://www.intellicast.com/Local/WxMap.aspx?location=USNH0020weather=hdRadarSmoothPaletteA, which presents either a blank gray image or a progress bar that stops half way through initializing. Same problem? Displas a gray-blue background in the Flash window in SeaMonkey and Firefox and Safari (Windows). In IE8 and Opera I get a progress bar that stops at 50%. If not Flash, is there a SeaMonkey setting I've overlooked in my search? (Most videos work well.) Gioven that it doesn't even work in IE I'd say no and the problem is likely different from the first link you posted. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Why do ballet dancers always dance on their toes? Wouldn't it be easier to just hire taller dancers? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey is already running, but is not responding....
Ps: this problem started after I defregged C E (the drive the user profiles are on) jama Jama Bennett Reed wrote: I am getting this message with SM 2.08 "SeaMonkey is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing SeaMonkey process, or restart your system." SM is not running on task manager/processes. I can run SM 1.1.17 fine. I have reinstalled, rebooted x10 with no results. Looked for parent.lock file - not there. My user profiles are on another drive to save space on C and to protect them in case of a crash but I have done this for 10 years with every version of SM and Netscape. Just joined here and searched archives for this problem with no results. Help please! Jama ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Clearing private data -- do it now!
Daniel Barclay wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: a) It never warned me that it was saving credit card info; It wasn't. Why make false statements? Why split my sentences? Would you have done that if I had used a comma or semi-colon instead? [continued from above] ... It merely saves formfield data. It doesn't know it's a credit card. It's just text to the browser. (Even if the browser doesn't _know_ that it wass saving credit card info, it was saving credit card info, just as Paul wrote.) Are we going to argue semantics? I notice you snipped all my contribution on *how* browsers save form input data, and how they use the input field IDs to save it. I was hoping Paul (and you) would get some idea of the way it works. I'm not in charge of how browsers work. If you have suggestions for improvements, you may care to post them in the developers' groups. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Clearing private data -- do it now!
Paul B. Gallagher a écrit : This business of saving sensitive data without my permission and against my will, and making the decision for me without asking, is very Microsoft. I wouldn't have expected it from a Mozilla program. It doesn't save data without your permission since you activated the form data saving feature. It saves form data. If you don't want form data saved, then deactivate the feature. Now you might want it to work differently. Fair enough. (I think that something like the password manager could be a good idea for people who do want to use the form data saving feature.) But it's not right to imply that SM is based on M$-type tactics when it's just doing precisely what you requested it to do. Either you want it to save form data or you don't. S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Clearing private data -- do it now!
On Oct 1, 8:33 pm, Paul B. Gallagher pau...@pbgdashtranslations.com wrote: Is Private Browsing mode a feature of SM itself, or of your add-on? It is a feature of Firefox, unfortunately not supported by SeaMonkey (yet). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Clearing private data -- do it now!
S. Beaulieu wrote: Paul B. Gallagher a écrit : This business of saving sensitive data without my permission and against my will, and making the decision for me without asking, is very Microsoft. I wouldn't have expected it from a Mozilla program. It doesn't save data without your permission since you activated the form data saving feature. It saves form data. If you don't want form data saved, then deactivate the feature. Now you might want it to work differently. Fair enough. (I think that something like the password manager could be a good idea for people who do want to use the form data saving feature.) But it's not right to imply that SM is based on M$-type tactics when it's just doing precisely what you requested it to do. Either you want it to save form data or you don't. This reminds me of the scene in /My Cousin Vinny/, when Joe Pesci and Marisa Tomei visit the local greasy spoon the first time for breakfast, and the menu reads Breakfast $1.99 Lunch $2.49 Dinner $3.49 Either I want food, or I don't. No options. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYoYPJ5uwFg If this is Mozilla's idea of a menu, I'd rather starve. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Clearing private data -- do it now!
grocer's apostrophes well... at least you know how to hurt a guy. I'm sorry I tried to help, and sorry I irritated you... but, can't do a damm thing about sm irritating you though. Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Clearing private data -- do it now!
Stephan Mahieu wrote: cc-numbers imho are just the tip of the iceberg. What about the information you type in when doing online private banking? The suckage of financial institutions (especially in the USA) is just phenomenal. http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/08/1226243mode=nocommentlowbandwidth=1no_d2=1 Now, there ARE some D.C. security columnists and (Aussie) security-specialist cops who DO get it. A simple admonition from them: Never use a Windoze install to do banking. http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/10/13/2344251mode=nocommentlowbandwidth=1no_d2=1 ...and you can use that *same* box securely --if you boot to a Linux CD There are even a few banks who have pulled their heads out of their orifices and are handing out secure banking thumbdrives. http://news.techworld.com/security/3213277/virtualised-usb-key-beats-keylogging/#content ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can't Play Video
Larry wrote: The Web site is: http://www.therightscoop.com/daniel-hannan-has-warning-for-america The video just appears as a black rectangle. Am I missing a specialized player of some sort? Have I stopped it with some setting? I've run out of ideas. Larry The page may be defective. I submitted the URL to http://validator.w3.org/ and reported 40 errors and 4 warnings. Scanning the error messages, it appears the primary problem is a nesting problem. Some browsers guess differently what page author meant to say. I author only verified page with browser which *GUESSED* correctly, browser(s) which actually follow the rules may not render page correctly ;/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Clearing private data -- do it now!
On 9/30/10 7:13 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I recently visited an online site that accepts political contributions for a variety of candidates. I entered my credit card info to make a contribution, printed my receipt, and left. The next time I visited, SeaMonkey had all the credit card info stored and ready to go, which was really scary. I poked around and couldn't find any way to prohibit it from storing info entered in this field or at this site, so I ended up with the heavy-handed solution of purging ALL saved data, which will be a safe inconvenience. I've now disabled this dangerous feature (after ten minutes of searching for the checkbox in the prefs -- it was just as hard to find as last time), because a) It never warned me that it was saving credit card info; b) There seems to be no way to prevent it from saving credit card info -- it sees all form data as equally eligible. c) There seems to be no way to inspect or edit saved data, so I can't even be sure SeaMonkey really did purge the data. As far as I'm concerned, this is a major security hole that should be fixed as soon as possible. For SeaMonkey 2.0.x, select [Edit Preferences] on the menu bar. In Category section (left side) of the Preferences window, select [Broswer History]. On the History pane, uncheck the checkbox for Enable form and search history. Select the OK button. This should prevent any saving of data you enter into a form. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Clearing private data -- do it now!
Beverly Howard wrote: grocer's apostrophes well... at least you know how to hurt a guy. Not my intention, as I thought I made clear by calling you a smart guy. On a different forum, I would've written that privately, but so many people here munge their emails that I didn't even bother to look. Sorry about that. I'm sorry I tried to help, and sorry I irritated you... but, can't do a damm thing about sm irritating you though. No apologies necessary. We all do the best we can with what we have. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Clearing private data -- do it now!
David E. Ross wrote: On 9/30/10 7:13 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I recently visited an online site that accepts political contributions for a variety of candidates. I entered my credit card info to make a contribution, printed my receipt, and left. The next time I visited, SeaMonkey had all the credit card info stored and ready to go, which was really scary. I poked around and couldn't find any way to prohibit it from storing info entered in this field or at this site, so I ended up with the heavy-handed solution of purging ALL saved data, which will be a safe inconvenience. I've now disabled this dangerous feature (after ten minutes of searching for the checkbox in the prefs -- it was just as hard to find as last time), because a) It never warned me that it was saving credit card info; b) There seems to be no way to prevent it from saving credit card info -- it sees all form data as equally eligible. c) There seems to be no way to inspect or edit saved data, so I can't even be sure SeaMonkey really did purge the data. As far as I'm concerned, this is a major security hole that should be fixed as soon as possible. For SeaMonkey 2.0.x, select [Edit Preferences] on the menu bar. In Category section (left side) of the Preferences window, select [Broswer History]. On the History pane, uncheck the checkbox for Enable form and search history. Select the OK button. This should prevent any saving of data you enter into a form. Yes, I know. See above, where I wrote: I've now disabled this dangerous feature (after ten minutes of searching for the checkbox in the prefs -- it was just as hard to find as last time), ... We had a discussion here a couple of months ago when I was missing the old Form Manager and Robert Kaiser kept telling me SM 2.0 should be doing it even though on my system it wasn't. After searching and searching for answers, I finally discovered that option in a place I would never think to look if I weren't doing an exhaustive search. And I commented at the time that I had my reservations about what was being saved, when, and how. Now that I've tested it and found it wanting, I've opted out, and I'm back to wishing I had a form manager that worked well. I'll probably try Stephan Mahieu's add-on -- anything has to be better than what SM 2 offers out of the box. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Clearing private data -- do it now!
On 09/30/2010 07:13 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I recently visited an online site that accepts political contributions for a variety of candidates. I entered my credit card info to make a contribution, printed my receipt, and left. The next time I visited, SeaMonkey had all the credit card info stored and ready to go, which was really scary. I poked around and couldn't find any way to prohibit it from storing info entered in this field or at this site, so I ended up with the heavy-handed solution of purging ALL saved data, which will be a safe inconvenience. I've now disabled this dangerous feature (after ten minutes of searching for the checkbox in the prefs -- it was just as hard to find as last time), because a) It never warned me that it was saving credit card info; b) There seems to be no way to prevent it from saving credit card info -- it sees all form data as equally eligible. c) There seems to be no way to inspect or edit saved data, so I can't even be sure SeaMonkey really did purge the data. As far as I'm concerned, this is a major security hole that should be fixed as soon as possible. It's Friday afternoon so I apologize as I've not bothered to look through every response... On a browser page: Tools|Clear Private Data (Ctrl-Shift-Del) Clear the following items now: o Browsing History o Location Bar History o Download History o Saved Form and Search History o Cache o Cookies o Offline Website Data o Saved Passwords o Authenticated Sessions 'Cancel' 'Clear Private Data Now' Edit|Preferences|Privacy Security Private Data etc., etc. Does that not work for you? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Clearing private data -- do it now!
NoOp wrote: On 09/30/2010 07:13 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I recently visited an online site that accepts political contributions for a variety of candidates. I entered my credit card info to make a contribution, printed my receipt, and left. The next time I visited, SeaMonkey had all the credit card info stored and ready to go, which was really scary. I poked around and couldn't find any way to prohibit it from storing info entered in this field or at this site, so I ended up with the heavy-handed solution of purging ALL saved data, which will be a safe inconvenience. I've now disabled this dangerous feature (after ten minutes of searching for the checkbox in the prefs -- it was just as hard to find as last time), because a) It never warned me that it was saving credit card info; b) There seems to be no way to prevent it from saving credit card info -- it sees all form data as equally eligible. c) There seems to be no way to inspect or edit saved data, so I can't even be sure SeaMonkey really did purge the data. As far as I'm concerned, this is a major security hole that should be fixed as soon as possible. It's Friday afternoon so I apologize as I've not bothered to look through every response... On a browser page: Tools|Clear Private Data (Ctrl-Shift-Del) Clear the following items now: o Browsing History o Location Bar History o Download History o Saved Form and Search History o Cache o Cookies o Offline Website Data o Saved Passwords o Authenticated Sessions 'Cancel' 'Clear Private Data Now' Edit|Preferences|Privacy Security Private Data etc., etc. Does that not work for you? Yes, a little, but mostly no. In addition to a), b), and c) above, I've said elsewhere in this thread: So right now, the only way of preventing the browser from saving cc info is to disable the form history feature entirely. That's unacceptable (because most users won't do it) and inconvenient (because those who are smart enough to do it lose the functionality). A bad workaround with the feature enabled is to try to remember, each and every time I submit cc info, to clear the form history the moment the card is accepted. And if I do that, I lose all the other useful but nonsensitive info I've saved. I might as well just turn the feature off, which is what I've done. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Clearing private data -- do it now!
On 10/01/2010 04:12 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: NoOp wrote: On 09/30/2010 07:13 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I recently visited an online site that accepts political contributions for a variety of candidates. I entered my credit card info to make a contribution, printed my receipt, and left. The next time I visited, SeaMonkey had all the credit card info stored and ready to go, which was really scary. I poked around and couldn't find any way to prohibit it from storing info entered in this field or at this site, so I ended up with the heavy-handed solution of purging ALL saved data, which will be a safe inconvenience. I've now disabled this dangerous feature (after ten minutes of searching for the checkbox in the prefs -- it was just as hard to find as last time), because a) It never warned me that it was saving credit card info; b) There seems to be no way to prevent it from saving credit card info -- it sees all form data as equally eligible. c) There seems to be no way to inspect or edit saved data, so I can't even be sure SeaMonkey really did purge the data. As far as I'm concerned, this is a major security hole that should be fixed as soon as possible. It's Friday afternoon so I apologize as I've not bothered to look through every response... On a browser page: Tools|Clear Private Data (Ctrl-Shift-Del) Clear the following items now: o Browsing History o Location Bar History o Download History o Saved Form and Search History o Cache o Cookies o Offline Website Data o Saved Passwords o Authenticated Sessions 'Cancel' 'Clear Private Data Now' Edit|Preferences|Privacy Security Private Data etc., etc. Does that not work for you? Yes, a little, but mostly no. In addition to a), b), and c) above, I've said elsewhere in this thread: So right now, the only way of preventing the browser from saving cc info is to disable the form history feature entirely. That's unacceptable (because most users won't do it) and inconvenient (because those who are smart enough to do it lose the functionality). A bad workaround with the feature enabled is to try to remember, each and every time I submit cc info, to clear the form history the moment the card is accepted. And if I do that, I lose all the other useful but nonsensitive info I've saved. I might as well just turn the feature off, which is what I've done. I actually don't use forms, so I'm taking a SWAG here; Tools|Sqlite Manager might give you some indication/view of the database (formhistory.sqlite) to see if the CC is actually stored there or if the website is storing on their site based on a cookie. You might want to try clearing all cookies, cache (disk and mem) as well as macromedia cookies. Turn off cookies then revisit the website to see if the info is still available. At least that may eliminate if it is SM or the website. Good luck as I understand the security implications. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Clearing private data -- do it now!
NoOp wrote: I actually don't use forms, so I'm taking a SWAG here; Tools|Sqlite Manager might give you some indication/view of the database (formhistory.sqlite) to see if the CC is actually stored there or if the website is storing on their site based on a cookie. You might want to try clearing all cookies, cache (disk and mem) as well as macromedia cookies. Turn off cookies then revisit the website to see if the info is still available. At least that may eliminate if it is SM or the website. Good luck as I understand the security implications. Asked and answered elsewhere in this thread. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
How do I search folder content across several accounts
SM 2.0.8 on a MS W7 system How do I search for all messages across several accounts, such as I am able to do for a single account, when using the search features under ctrl-shift-S? Is the only solution to: search each account separately, save the search results as folders in one of the accounts, and then combine the search folders? -- Rostyk ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email problem
Ed Mullen wrote: ldj1...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: S. Beaulieu wrote: ldj1...@sbcglobal.net a écrit : I still can't find inbox folder. You need to make sure that you set up your OS to show hidden files or else you won't see your profile. Looks like the OP is on XP. http://edmullen.net/mozilla/moz_profile.php http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/win_fcab_show_file_extensions.mspx I found the inbox when I changed to show hidden files. They aren't marked read only. Can I reinstall Seamonkey to maybe fix the problem and not lose anything? Read that link above again regarding profiles. If you reinstall SM the profile is NOT touched. The program and profile (all your settings) are kept in two different locations. A reinstall does not affect your profile. What you might want to investigate is creating a new profile and then migrating your old info (email accounts, bookmarks, passwords etc) to the new profile. Just be careful to not do a wholesale migration. If you do, you'll simply transfer any problems from the old to the new. The same page above has some links to info on this: http://edmullen.net/mozilla/moz_profile.php I have read and don't understand fully. However I did reinstall Seamonkey and didn't change anything. I downloaded and installed Thunderbird and it works OK. Just above the start position on the screen there is a little icon for Seamonkey mail. Is there a way I can get a icon there for Thunderbird? When I installed Thunderbird I didn't have to fill out port, security or the pop and smtp info. Did it get all that info from Seamonkey? L.D. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Distinguish To: from Cc: /or Bcc: ? ????
When sending an email, is there any way for recipient to know that his address was in: 1. To: or 2. Cc: or 3. Bcc: field? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Distinguish To: from Cc: /or Bcc: ? ????
Richard Owlett wrote: When sending an email, is there any way for recipient to know that his address was in: 1. To: or 2. Cc: or 3. Bcc: field? Yes. If it is in TO: or CC: it will show in the headers. Plainly visible. If it is in BCC: it will not show at all -- but then of course he'll know it is BCC: because, well, he received it. Look at some of your own received email to see. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
[SM 2.0.8] folder confusion
SM 2.0.8 on MS W7 system This afternoon I started composing a message to this group and then decided that I needed to check a few things out, so I saved the message as a draft in the Drafts folder of my Local Folders account. Sometime later, I noticed an Outbox folder in Local Folders. This folder was empty (according to the SM display) and its icon has some minuscule decoration added (a red bar and a white right arrow across the bottom of the icon seen courtesy of the Magnifier tool). Still later, I completed my draft message and sent it to the newsgroup. I then compressed Drafts and Outbox and then right clicking on Outbox, and selecting 'properties' I find Outbox to be located at mailbox:///C:/Users/itrc/.../Local Folders/Unsent Messages Note that this is the folder where all the other Local Folders files are stored, but the file name is given as 'Unsent messages' rather than 'Outbox'! Looking at that directory using the Windows Explorer, I find that there is an 'Unsent messages' file there but no 'Outbox' file. Also on the SM screen/display there is no Unsent messages folder in Local Folders! Finally I thought to rename the Outbox folder to Unsent messages. However the rename option is unavailable when I right click on the folder icon. So what in tarnation is going on here? - What is the grand purpose of Outbox? - What has happened to Unsent messages? et.c. et.c. -- Rostyk ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Save Password?...
Ok...I made a new account and was asked if I wanted to save the login in Password manager as I was entering the information - I hit the Not Now button, expecting that when I went back and logged in again I would be prompted once more... ...NOT. The site is not listed in Passwords Never Stored...so why no prompt, and how do I get SM to let me save the info for this login in Password Manager now? Using SM 2.0.8 Mac... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Clearing private data -- do it now!
Thanks for the response and clarification, Beverly Howard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
