Re: SM 2.2 not showing attachment
On 20 Jul., 03:46, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote: On 07/19/2011 10:36 AM, Michael Gordon wrote: Bill Spikowski wrote: chokito wrote: I received an e-mail thats not show the attachment. - X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 - Content-Type: video/x-ms-wmv; Microsoft Outlook Express shows the attachment! I see this behavior occasionally, going back many versions. In preview mode, the attachment won't be visible; but when I double-click on the message, then it's obviously there. I've learned to check by double-clicking before advising senders that their attachment didn't arrive! (have never been able to figure out what causes this random behavior) Is it possible that the sender composed the message in HTML and used the Attachment box to include the file? Instead of placing the image file inline the message body? Michael G I just sent a test wmv to myself (SeaMonkey 2.2 - linux) and I do see the attachment: Content-Type: video/x-ms-wmv; name=test_wmv.wmv Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=test_wmv.wmv Obviously I have to play it with an external application (movieplayer), but the attachment comes through just fine I do see the attachment symbol next to the email subject indicating that an attachment is there. Got the test file from here:http://www.archive.org/details/WorkToFishtestwmv The problem only occurs, if Content-Type: multipart/related; is in the header! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish
Jay Garcia wrote: On 16.07.2011 22:15, JeffM wrote: --- Original Message --- Graham wrote: I'm liking Seamonkey less and less [Large amounts of text elided] Whenever I see these long diatribes about SeaMonkey, I note that they never mention the authors' participation in the Release Candidate trial/review process. What else is required other than to be a user, I thought his post was quite eloquent and nowhere near being trollish. Hear! Hear! keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: migrating seamonkey 2.2
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 13:58:08 -0500, Rob C. robc...@comcast.spambone.net in mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote: That sounds about the same as I would have done except there is one other set of files I would have moved Import these in the same way you did the other set. Hopefully these will help: E:\Documents and Settings\Jim\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\[oldgeneratedprofilename].default\ I found two files there XPC.mf1 and XUL.mf1 and copied them with SM closed but that did not do the trick, then I copied them with SM closed and rebooted before I brought SM up. I am afraid that did not do the trick either, but thanks for the suggestion. jim Jim wrote: windows xp (currently bare of updates) Now updated to just prior to SP3, seamonkey 2.2 (exists on C and E disks) I had to change boot disks and reinstall xp (not enough horsepower to run win 7). I installed 2.2 on the new C, closed it, copied all personal settings data (the whole subfolder tree -- about 165 files) from E:\Documents and Settings\Jim\Application Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\[oldgeneratedprofilename].default\ under the new same D S tree on the new C:\. I erased the new C:\ settings tree and renamed the top folder of the copied tree portion tonewgeneratedname.default Restarted Seamonkey and the email was correctly populated with the old accounts, emails, settings, etc. However, the browser failed to populate all of the old settings (it did populate maybe 1 percent or less). What did I do wrongplease? How do I repop all of the browser settings? Thanks, jim ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish
JeffM wrote: JeffM wrote: Hmmm. I've already used this analogy once today (elsewhere). Sometimes it only takes ONE individual to affect a change: http://google.com/search?tbs=dfn:1q=hung-jury Paul B. Gallagher wrote: OK, so if I dedicate my life to making sure everyone knows that it's Effect change, not Affect change, I can make a difference? Or is it just that the world could(n't) care less? ;-) You're expecting me to spell it correctly TWICE in one day? http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2ee6f9793472c153?q=effect Dreamer. 8-) I may be mistaken but Effect change means cause change whereas Affect change means put on the appearance of change, where there really is none. The hidden humour in using this as a comment on the points being made by the critics and the defenders of the system in this thread, should be noted. -- Rostyk ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish
On 11-07-19 9:57 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Agreed, it's valuable. But it's incomplete, just as your testing was incomplete until someone using a different-language version tried it. Good example. Code used in Firefox and Thunderbird have quite a bit of automated testing. See http://quality.mozilla.org/teams/automation/. This tangent originated from the complaint that you're not aware changes before a release is final and someone mentioned that users are invited to participate in pre-release testing. That does not equal relying solely on human volunteers not familiar with testing. It just means that if you want to what changes are made, one way of finding out is to try a pre-release. And of course, that's not to say installing a pre-release is the only way to find out what changes are coming. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Yahoo! e-mail problem
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: John wrote: I'm running SeaMonkey v2.0.14. I tried to upgrade my Yahoo! email account to their new system, but it tells me my browser is not supported. Firefox 3 and newer are supported, so why not SeaMonkey? Yahoo is clueless with their browser sniffer. You will need to add NOT Firefox/3.6 to your User Agent string to overcome it. Their sniffer will find the word Firefox and allow you to do your thing. http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/browserfaq/UAspoofing Rather than installing an extension, or manually hacking prefs, a solution that WORKS is to use SeaMonkey 2.2 We have included defaults there that cause Yahoo's broken browser checking script to think we are Firefox and allow everything to work fine. I am aware of that, of course. Perhaps the user would rather not install a whole new and unfamiliar version of the entire suite, simply to gain access to a site where that manual hack (simple to do) would suffice. It works with SM 2.1 - no need to jump to 2.2 :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can't Enable/Disable Java using Preferences
David E. Ross wrote: On 7/19/11 3:18 PM, Dick Hoffman wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 7/19/11 10:10 AM, Dick Hoffman wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 7/17/11 2:37 PM, Dick Hoffman wrote: Running SM 2.2 on a Windows/XP SP3 system, I can't Enable/Disable Java through the Preferences-Advanced checkbox but can through the Add-ons Manager. Not a big deal but what's the point of the Preferences checkbox? Dick I can enable and disable Java through [EditPreferencesAdvanced]. When Java is disabled this way, certain Web pages that I visit very clearly indicate that Java is missing. The preference variable is security.enable_java, with true being enabled and false being disabled. I tested the Java checkbox in PrefBar. There is some kind of disconnect between that and both [EditPreferencesAdvanced] and about:config. While I often disable JavaScript, I never disable Java; so I'm not planning to find where that disconnect occurs. We run essentially vanilla SeaMonkey, no add-ons not included in SM's download. We normally run with Java disabled and enable it for sites that need it. I've done some further investigation and find that the Edit-Preferences-Advanced checkbox also does not Enable/Disable Java on our notebook computer running SM 2.1 under XP-SP3. I'm using the Verify installed version option at www.java.com to test this. When enabled using the AOM the site says we have Version 6 Update 26, when disabled via the AOM it loops until I stop it. Using the Preferences checkbox has no effect on Java's Enabled/Disabled status. The checkbox does toggle the security.enable_java variable in about:config but does not change Java's execution status. Should I enter a problem in Bugzilla? Dick On further testing, I completely agree that there is a bug. Please submit your bug report and then post a reply in this thread with the bug number. See problem #672665 in Bugzilla. Dick Thanks. I added it to my watch list. Problem #672665 has been marked Closed Duplicate because it duplicates #512378. Apparently, some 2.x update of SM removed Java-specific preferences from the UI but not all were actually removed, so the resolution of 512378 and its duplicate(s) is to remove the rest of them. This change has, it could be argued, security impacts, especially since I thought I was disabling Java when all the preference did was toggle a non-functional variable. I've searched the SM documentation in vain to find where this change was noted. I'm sure it's there somewhere, I just don't have the smarts to find it. Certainly not another example of developer arrogance. Dick ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can't Enable/Disable Java using Preferences
On 07/20/2011 10:15 AM, Dick Hoffman wrote: David E. Ross wrote: ... See problem #672665 in Bugzilla. Dick Thanks. I added it to my watch list. Problem #672665 has been marked Closed Duplicate because it duplicates #512378. Apparently, some 2.x update of SM removed Java-specific preferences from the UI but not all were actually removed, so the resolution of 512378 and its duplicate(s) is to remove the rest of them. This change has, it could be argued, security impacts, especially since I thought I was disabling Java when all the preference did was toggle a non-functional variable. I've searched the SM documentation in vain to find where this change was noted. I'm sure it's there somewhere, I just don't have the smarts to find it. Certainly not another example of developer arrogance. Dick I tracked it back to this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=506985 [Bug 506985 - remove java-specific preferences from Firefox UI, hidden prefs ] Looks like the option to disable/enable java was removed in Firefox 3.6 forward. And the Firefox solution: https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/How%20to%20turn%20off%20Java%20applets Use the addons manager. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Filters not working in 2.2
Since I updated to 2.2 My filters are not always automatically sorting incoming email. They sort some but not most of the messages. If I run the filters manually they work as expected. They are all set to Checking Mail or Manually Run. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can't Enable/Disable Java using Preferences
NoOp wrote: On 07/20/2011 10:15 AM, Dick Hoffman wrote: David E. Ross wrote: ... See problem #672665 in Bugzilla. Dick Thanks. I added it to my watch list. Problem #672665 has been marked Closed Duplicate because it duplicates #512378. Apparently, some 2.x update of SM removed Java-specific preferences from the UI but not all were actually removed, so the resolution of 512378 and its duplicate(s) is to remove the rest of them. This change has, it could be argued, security impacts, especially since I thought I was disabling Java when all the preference did was toggle a non-functional variable. I've searched the SM documentation in vain to find where this change was noted. I'm sure it's there somewhere, I just don't have the smarts to find it. Certainly not another example of developer arrogance. Dick I tracked it back to this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=506985 [Bug 506985 - remove java-specific preferences from Firefox UI, hidden prefs ] Looks like the option to disable/enable java was removed in Firefox 3.6 forward. And the Firefox solution: https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/How%20to%20turn%20off%20Java%20applets Use the addons manager. My wife points out this change has further security implications depending on how it was implemented. Did the update that changed the Enable/Disable of Java to the Add-ons Manager take into consideration the user's current preference setting or did it take a default and, if so, was the default Enable or Disable? If it took a default of Enable there could be other chumps like me out there thinking they've got Java disabled when they really don't. Dick ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Filters not working in 2.2
Since I updated to 2.2 My filters are not always automatically sorting incoming email. They sort some but not most of the messages. If I run the filters manually they work as expected. They are all set to Checking Mail or Manually Run. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Yahoo! e-mail problem
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: I am aware of that, of course. Perhaps the user would rather not install a whole new and unfamiliar version of the entire suite, simply to gain access to a site where that manual hack (simple to do) would suffice. Upgrading also gets the user off a security-vulnerable release. It also gets them on our latest, current, stable, build. etc. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: JeffM wrote: JeffM wrote: Hmmm. I've already used this analogy once today (elsewhere). Sometimes it only takes ONE individual to affect a change: http://google.com/search?tbs=dfn:1q=hung-jury Paul B. Gallagher wrote: OK, so if I dedicate my life to making sure everyone knows that it's Effect change, not Affect change, I can make a difference? Or is it just that the world could(n't) care less? ;-) You're expecting me to spell it correctly TWICE in one day? http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2ee6f9793472c153?q=effect Dreamer. 8-) I may be mistaken but Effect change means cause change whereas Affect change means put on the appearance of change, where there really is none. Yes. Affect change can also mean influence/modify change. The hidden humour in using this as a comment on the points being made by the critics and the defenders of the system in this thread, should be noted. Duly noted. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
National Geographic: Why can't I see their maps?
Example: http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/maps/map-machine#s=rc=-56.09018578602696,%20-34.39591415226459z=4 The map pane is blank but the rest of the page displays fine. Internet Exploiter 8 shows the map normally, including the Bing label, in case that's any help. TIA -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish
Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-07-19 9:57 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Agreed, it's valuable. But it's incomplete, just as your testing was incomplete until someone using a different-language version tried it. Good example. Code used in Firefox and Thunderbird have quite a bit of automated testing. See http://quality.mozilla.org/teams/automation/. Thanks for the reassurance; this was not surprising but it's good to have confirmation. This tangent originated from the complaint that you're not aware changes before a release is final and someone mentioned that users are invited to participate in pre-release testing. That does not equal relying solely on human volunteers not familiar with testing. It just means that if you want to what changes are made, one way of finding out is to try a pre-release. That's a fair point, but pre-releases can sometimes entail unknown risks. I happen to be relatively risk-averse in this area, so I probably won't go this route. I know others enjoy it, and I encourage them to continue their valuable contributions. And of course, that's not to say installing a pre-release is the only way to find out what changes are coming. I was informed elsewhere in this thread of places where I can learn of changes before they are carved in stone. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: National Geographic: Why can't I see their maps?
I am using 1.1.18 and I am having no problems. Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Example: http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/maps/map-machine#s=rc=-56.09018578602696,%20-34.39591415226459z=4 The map pane is blank but the rest of the page displays fine. Internet Exploiter 8 shows the map normally, including the Bing label, in case that's any help. TIA ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: National Geographic: Why can't I see their maps?
2.0.14 in Puppy Linux dpup 009 - it works fine. I have these Plugins ... File name: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 10.2 d151 File name: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/gecko-mediaplayer-dvx.so Gecko Media Player 0.9.9.2 Video Player Plug-in for QuickTime, RealPlayer and Windows Media Player streams using MPlayer File name: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/gecko-mediaplayer-qt.so Gecko Media Player 0.9.9.2 Video Player Plug-in for QuickTime, RealPlayer and Windows Media Player streams using MPlayer RealPlayer 9 File name: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/gecko-mediaplayer-rm.so Gecko Media Player 0.9.9.2 Video Player Plug-in for QuickTime, RealPlayer and Windows Media Player streams using MPlayer File name: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/gecko-mediaplayer-wmp.so Gecko Media Player 0.9.9.2 Video Player Plug-in for QuickTime, RealPlayer and Windows Media Player streams using MPlayer File name: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/gecko-mediaplayer.so Gecko Media Player 0.9.9.2 Video Player Plug-in for QuickTime, RealPlayer and Windows Media Player streams using MPlayer Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Example: http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/maps/map-machine#s=rc=-56.09018578602696,%20-34.39591415226459z=4 The map pane is blank but the rest of the page displays fine. Internet Exploiter 8 shows the map normally, including the Bing label, in case that's any help. TIA -- Thanks! 73, KD4E David Colburn http://kd4e.com Have an http://ultrafidian.com day I don't google I SEARCH! STARTPAGE.com Shop Freedom-Friendly http://kd4e.com/of.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: National Geographic: Why can't I see their maps?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Example: http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/maps/map-machine#s=rc=-56.09018578602696,%20-34.39591415226459z=4 The map pane is blank but the rest of the page displays fine. Internet Exploiter 8 shows the map normally, including the Bing label, in case that's any help. TIA Also SeaMonkey 2.2 works fine for me on that page. -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: National Geographic: Why can't I see their maps?
On 7/20/2011 3:28 PM Paul B. Gallagher submitted the following: Example: http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/maps/map-machine#s=rc=-56.09018578602696,%20-34.39591415226459z=4 The map pane is blank but the rest of the page displays fine. Internet Exploiter 8 shows the map normally, including the Bing label, in case that's any help. TIA All maps including the 3D view work fine with M$ XP-Pro up-to-date and SeaMonkey 2.2 -- Ed http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1zhwu/ Powered by SeaMonkey: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ A conservative is a man who believes that nothing should be done for the first time. -Alfred E. Wiggam ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: National Geographic: Why can't I see their maps?
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: Example: http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/maps/map-machine#s=rc=-56.09018578602696,%20-34.39591415226459z=4 The map pane is blank but the rest of the page displays fine. Shows fine for me. (SM2.2, MacOS X, usual plug-ins, nothing special). Internet Exploiter 8 shows the map normally, including the Bing label, in case that's any help. I had a brief look, and the thing is heavy with JavaScript. All the UI / user interaction is handled by this. No clue, how they get the actual map displayed, but it looks more like advanced HTML + scripting than magic plug-ins. Otherwise - if SM1.1.18 does display the thing (as posted before), the HMTL cannot be too advanced. (Canvas or other recent additions from HTML5. ;-) Do you disable JavaScript? BR/Philipp ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: National Geographic: Why can't I see their maps?
Philipp van Hüllen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: Example: http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/maps/map-machine#s=rc=-56.09018578602696,%20-34.39591415226459z=4 The map pane is blank but the rest of the page displays fine. Shows fine for me. (SM2.2, MacOS X, usual plug-ins, nothing special). Internet Exploiter 8 shows the map normally, including the Bing label, in case that's any help. I had a brief look, and the thing is heavy with JavaScript. All the UI / user interaction is handled by this. No clue, how they get the actual map displayed, but it looks more like advanced HTML + scripting than magic plug-ins. Otherwise - if SM1.1.18 does display the thing (as posted before), the HMTL cannot be too advanced. (Canvas or other recent additions from HTML5. ;-) Do you disable JavaScript? My prefs from Advanced | Scripts Plugins: Enable Javascript for Browser -- yes Allow scripts to: Move or resize existing windows -- no Raise or lower windows -- no Hide the status bar -- no Change status bar text -- no Change images -- yes Disable or replace context menus -- no Enable Plugins for Mail Newsgroups -- no When additional plugins are required: Display a notification bar at the top of the content area -- yes I haven't installed Silverlight, but that shouldn't matter because the page displays in IE. I'm not getting prompted to install a plugin. I did try enabling all the Allow scripts to: options, but it didn't help. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: National Geographic: Why can't I see their maps?
On 7/20/11 12:28 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Example: http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/maps/map-machine#s=rc=-56.09018578602696,%20-34.39591415226459z=4 The map pane is blank but the rest of the page displays fine. Internet Exploiter 8 shows the map normally, including the Bing label, in case that's any help. TIA This requires: JavaScript: Enabled Images: Load all images You indicate you already have enabled JavaScript. To check your image preference, go to [Edit Preferences] on the SeaMonkey menu bar. On the left side of the Prefernces window under Category, select [Privacy Security Images]. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey vs Thunderbird
While I very much prefer SeaMonkey over Firefox as a Web browser, I am using Thunderbird as a newsreader. I do this because I surf the Web through three different profiles, and I don't want to tie my newsgroup surfing to any particular SeaMonkey profile. That is, if I switch browser profiles, I don't want to interrupt my current newsgroup session. I recently setup a Blogs News Feeds account in Thunderbird. However, whenever I try to add an RSS feed to that account from SeaMonkey, it triggers the setup of a Blogs News Feeds account in SeaMonkey. Is there some way to tell SeaMonkey to use Thunderbird for this? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can't Enable/Disable Java using Preferences
On 07/20/2011 11:23 AM, Dick Hoffman wrote: NoOp wrote: ... I tracked it back to this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=506985 [Bug 506985 - remove java-specific preferences from Firefox UI, hidden prefs ] Looks like the option to disable/enable java was removed in Firefox 3.6 forward. And the Firefox solution: https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/How%20to%20turn%20off%20Java%20applets Use the addons manager. My wife points out this change has further security implications depending on how it was implemented. Did the update that changed the Enable/Disable of Java to the Add-ons Manager take into consideration the user's current preference setting or did it take a default and, if so, was the default Enable or Disable? If it took a default of Enable there could be other chumps like me out there thinking they've got Java disabled when they really don't. Dick I wouldn't argue about the security implications... but yes the default is set to enable (I turn off/on using Prefbar). I reckon that is the reason for the other bug reports; meaning they plan to remove the option to turn off/on altogether in the Preferences UI on SeaMonkey. This is one area that I think that SeaMonkey should stick to their guns and leave the Preferences option to turn Java on/off in *and* ensure that it works properly. Slight added note: if you reference a bug report it is helpful to include the url to the bug report rather than simply referring to it by number. This way, folks not familar with bugzilla can easily click on the link to review/comment. So your report is: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672665 and the bug that your bug was duped to: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=512378 Which btw IMO isn't resolved/fixed as it apparently doesn't work in SM 2.1 or 2.2 that indeed can be a security issue. You might want to add your comments there. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can't Enable/Disable Java using Preferences
On 7/20/11 4:54 PM, NoOp wrote: On 07/20/2011 11:23 AM, Dick Hoffman wrote: NoOp wrote: ... I tracked it back to this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=506985 [Bug 506985 - remove java-specific preferences from Firefox UI, hidden prefs ] Looks like the option to disable/enable java was removed in Firefox 3.6 forward. And the Firefox solution: https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/How%20to%20turn%20off%20Java%20applets Use the addons manager. My wife points out this change has further security implications depending on how it was implemented. Did the update that changed the Enable/Disable of Java to the Add-ons Manager take into consideration the user's current preference setting or did it take a default and, if so, was the default Enable or Disable? If it took a default of Enable there could be other chumps like me out there thinking they've got Java disabled when they really don't. Dick I wouldn't argue about the security implications... but yes the default is set to enable (I turn off/on using Prefbar). I reckon that is the reason for the other bug reports; meaning they plan to remove the option to turn off/on altogether in the Preferences UI on SeaMonkey. This is one area that I think that SeaMonkey should stick to their guns and leave the Preferences option to turn Java on/off in *and* ensure that it works properly. Slight added note: if you reference a bug report it is helpful to include the url to the bug report rather than simply referring to it by number. This way, folks not familar with bugzilla can easily click on the link to review/comment. So your report is: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672665 and the bug that your bug was duped to: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=512378 Which btw IMO isn't resolved/fixed as it apparently doesn't work in SM 2.1 or 2.2 that indeed can be a security issue. You might want to add your comments there. This is very confusing, but I think I now understand what is happening. The following applies to SeaMonkey at least through version 2.2. It appears that the Java checkbox at [Edit Preference Advanced] and the Java checkbox in PrefBar both modify the preference variable security.enable_java. However, changing the checkmark at [Edit Preference Advanced] does not change the checkmark in PrefBar; but changing the checkmark in PrefBar does change the checkmark at [Edit Preference Advanced]. Changing it at either place, does change security.enable_java. Toggling security.enable_java via about:config does show the changes at [Edit Preference Advanced] but not in PrefBar. Thus, there is an error in PrefBar in how it displays the current state of security.enable_java. This is a display problem and not a problem with using PrefBar to toggle security.enable_java. In any case, if security.enable_java is false or true, Java is disabled or enabled. It is not yet necessary to use the Add-ons Manager. The elimination of the use of security.enable_java to control Java will likely be implemented in SeaMonkey 2.3 or shortly thereafter, when the Add-on Manager will become the only way to disable or enable Java. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Rufus wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: JeffM wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Inviting end users who are incapable of coding or testing is an empty promise. Describe more fully incapable of testing. What I mean is that most end users can demo a program, play around for a bit, and generally satisfy themselves that it works for their favorite tasks. They might accidentally stumble upon a problem. But they won't perform rigorous, systematic testing such as navigating to each and every option on a menu. So if you have a feature that's rarely used, or if it doesn't elicit interest or curiosity because of its menu location, name, or description, it won't be tested. In this scenario, you need a very large cohort of testers with very diverse interests (ways of using the program). I test avionics software professionally, even though I don't code any of it - it helps that I'm a pilot, and share a pilots user experience. That's about all that's required, and what you describe is likely sufficient because it highlights specifically what is important to the user; anything that the user doesn't *use* isn't even a consideration as far as an end-user is concerned. ... Well, as I'm sure you know, there's don't use and there's don't use much and there's don't use unless my life is on the line. So it's important that things like parachutes work even if you hardly ever think about them, much less touch them. If you lose an engine or your rudder fails or your fuselage pops its top and starts spraying passengers and flight attendants into the ocean, you have to be able to fly the plane safely anyway (and walk away from the landing, too). So all those things have to be tested. Yes. But we do retain and maintain functions where the hardware has gone out of inventory...which is a waste, IMO...but we do it because our product has to delivered to meet specification, and removing code often costs just about as much as putting new code in. And it's not all the same code in all of the boxes - some is high code, some is assembly...and it all has to play together. Of course, I understand no lives are at stake here. But there are parallels. Yes. It's the process parallels that I try to point out. And end quality. And I bet your process is probably much more rigorous and thorough than the average software beta tester's. Actually, it's very similar...but far more organized and priority driven. And it's driven by interface functionality, operational requirement, and not much else. We have hardware set aside in labs, and we use actual airplanes. One point where my process is near exact is in the new accelerated release numbering scheme that the SM team as adopted - that's almost straight out of our process book and doesn't bother me one bit. Even the numbering scheme is familiar to me. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: National Geographic: Why can't I see their maps?
David E. Ross wrote: On 7/20/11 12:28 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Example: http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/maps/map-machine#s=rc=-56.09018578602696,%20-34.39591415226459z=4 The map pane is blank but the rest of the page displays fine. Internet Exploiter 8 shows the map normally, including the Bing label, in case that's any help. TIA This requires: JavaScript: Enabled Images: Load all images You indicate you already have enabled JavaScript. To check your image preference, go to [Edit Preferences] on the SeaMonkey menu bar. On the left side of the Preferences window under Category, select [Privacy Security Images]. Sorry: Specify how SeaMonkey handles images: Accept all images Animated images should loop: As many times as the image specifies Manage image permissions: (no sites listed) Any other ideas? -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Yahoo! e-mail problem
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: I am aware of that, of course. Perhaps the user would rather not install a whole new and unfamiliar version of the entire suite, simply to gain access to a site where that manual hack (simple to do) would suffice. Upgrading also gets the user off a security-vulnerable release. It also gets them on our latest, current, stable, build. etc. Many people don't know about the new releases, because they don't read news groups. My cousin, for example, who I converted to SeaMonkey several years ago depends upon the automatic updates. What is the status of the automatic upgrade from 2.0.14 to 2.2? Jim ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: National Geographic: Why can't I see their maps?
On 7/20/11 6:20 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 7/20/11 12:28 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Example: http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/maps/map-machine#s=rc=-56.09018578602696,%20-34.39591415226459z=4 The map pane is blank but the rest of the page displays fine. Internet Exploiter 8 shows the map normally, including the Bing label, in case that's any help. TIA This requires: JavaScript: Enabled Images: Load all images You indicate you already have enabled JavaScript. To check your image preference, go to [Edit Preferences] on the SeaMonkey menu bar. On the left side of the Preferences window under Category, select [Privacy Security Images]. Sorry: Specify how SeaMonkey handles images: Accept all images Animated images should loop: As many times as the image specifies Manage image permissions: (no sites listed) Any other ideas? No other ideas. I tried the site with both JavaScript disabled and only loading images that come from the originating server. I could not get the map. Then I tried with JavaScript enabled but still only loading images that come from the originating server. I still could not get the map. Then I reversed the settings with JavaScript disabled but accepting all images. I still could not get the map. Only when both JavaScript was enabled and I accepted all images did I get the map. By the way, I disabled the automatic spoofing of Firefox. Thus, this is not a case of invald sniffing. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: National Geographic: Why can't I see their maps?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 7/20/11 12:28 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Example: http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/maps/map-machine#s=rc=-56.09018578602696,%20-34.39591415226459z=4 The map pane is blank but the rest of the page displays fine. Internet Exploiter 8 shows the map normally, including the Bing label, in case that's any help. TIA This requires: JavaScript: Enabled Images: Load all images You indicate you already have enabled JavaScript. To check your image preference, go to [Edit Preferences] on the SeaMonkey menu bar. On the left side of the Preferences window under Category, select [Privacy Security Images]. Sorry: Specify how SeaMonkey handles images: Accept all images Animated images should loop: As many times as the image specifies Manage image permissions: (no sites listed) Any other ideas? Do you use Noscript, or is there a way to disable javascript for external links? I noticed the map would not display for me (with Noscript enabled) until I granted permission for virtualearth.net. Allowing scripts from that address caused the map to be displayed. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Yahoo! e-mail problem
On 11-07-20 9:41 PM, Jim Dell wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: I am aware of that, of course. Perhaps the user would rather not install a whole new and unfamiliar version of the entire suite, simply to gain access to a site where that manual hack (simple to do) would suffice. Upgrading also gets the user off a security-vulnerable release. It also gets them on our latest, current, stable, build. etc. Many people don't know about the new releases, because they don't read news groups. In this case, the user (John) posted his question in the newsgroup, so he doesn't fit in to the don't read news groups category. But more importantly, it doesn't matter if John knows. This is the opportunity to let him know. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: National Geographic: Why can't I see their maps?
On 20/07/2011 22:20, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 7/20/11 12:28 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Example: http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/maps/map-machine#s=rc=-56.09018578602696,%20-34.39591415226459z=4 The map pane is blank but the rest of the page displays fine. Internet Exploiter 8 shows the map normally, including the Bing label, in case that's any help. TIA This requires: JavaScript: Enabled Images: Load all images You indicate you already have enabled JavaScript. To check your image preference, go to [Edit Preferences] on the SeaMonkey menu bar. On the left side of the Preferences window under Category, select [Privacy Security Images]. Sorry: Specify how SeaMonkey handles images: Accept all images Animated images should loop: As many times as the image specifies Manage image permissions: (no sites listed) Any other ideas? Make sure you have checked Change images on Preferences, Advanced, Scripts Plugins. Gabriel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: National Geographic: Why can't I see their maps?
Gabriel Cabillón wrote: Make sure you have checked Change images on Preferences, Advanced, Scripts Plugins. Asked and answered upthread. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: National Geographic: Why can't I see their maps?
Margo Guda wrote: Do you use Noscript, or is there a way to disable javascript for external links? I noticed the map would not display for me (with Noscript enabled) until I granted permission for virtualearth.net. Allowing scripts from that address caused the map to be displayed. No, I don't have NoScript, so I can't enable/disable it. As noted previously, I have no sites listed for image blocking/allowing, so that isn't a factor. Even so, have added virtualearth.net as explicitly allowed. There seems to be no shortage of cookies from nationalgeographic.com and maps.nationalgeographic.com, so that's not it. Firewall log shows nothing blocked since Tuesday, so that's not it. Will report back after restarting and clearing browser cache. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Yahoo! e-mail problem
Jim Dell wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: I am aware of that, of course. Perhaps the user would rather not install a whole new and unfamiliar version of the entire suite, simply to gain access to a site where that manual hack (simple to do) would suffice. Upgrading also gets the user off a security-vulnerable release. It also gets them on our latest, current, stable, build. etc. Many people don't know about the new releases, because they don't read news groups. My cousin, for example, who I converted to SeaMonkey several years ago depends upon the automatic updates. What is the status of the automatic upgrade from 2.0.14 to 2.2? Jim It will probably be superceded by one from 2.0.14 to 2.3 :\ :/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: National Geographic: Why can't I see their maps?
David E. Ross wrote: On 7/20/11 6:20 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 7/20/11 12:28 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Example: http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/maps/map-machine#s=rc=-56.09018578602696,%20-34.39591415226459z=4 The map pane is blank but the rest of the page displays fine. Internet Exploiter 8 shows the map normally, including the Bing label, in case that's any help. TIA This requires: JavaScript: Enabled Images: Load all images You indicate you already have enabled JavaScript. To check your image preference, go to [Edit Preferences] on the SeaMonkey menu bar. On the left side of the Preferences window under Category, select [Privacy Security Images]. Sorry: Specify how SeaMonkey handles images: Accept all images Animated images should loop: As many times as the image specifies Manage image permissions: (no sites listed) Any other ideas? No other ideas. I tried the site with both JavaScript disabled and only loading images that come from the originating server. I could not get the map. Then I tried with JavaScript enabled but still only loading images that come from the originating server. I still could not get the map. Then I reversed the settings with JavaScript disabled but accepting all images. I still could not get the map. Only when both JavaScript was enabled and I accepted all images did I get the map. By the way, I disabled the automatic spoofing of Firefox. Thus, this is not a case of invald sniffing. Mr. Gallaghers' UA string indicates SM 2.0.14 So the politically correct answer is that he's on an obsolete, superceded version. Instruct him to install the pre-release 2.3 beta. :/ :\ Perhaps, perhaps, that will help. :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: National Geographic: Why can't I see their maps?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Example: http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/maps/map-machine#s=rc=-56.09018578602696,%20-34.39591415226459z=4 The map pane is blank but the rest of the page displays fine. Internet Exploiter 8 shows the map normally, including the Bing label, in case that's any help. TIA The same thing happens to me with IE8 and Seamonkey2.2. I've had similar problems with some sites which I tend to think is the result of a dial-up connection and/or Internet provider. I suspect timeouts leaving some scripts incomplete. In any case, the Seamonkey Error Console gives several errors and warnings for given url. In particular, map control has an error and VEMap is not defined. There is are several warnings regarding virtualearth.css. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Yahoo! e-mail problem
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Jim Dell wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: I am aware of that, of course. Perhaps the user would rather not install a whole new and unfamiliar version of the entire suite, simply to gain access to a site where that manual hack (simple to do) would suffice. Upgrading also gets the user off a security-vulnerable release. It also gets them on our latest, current, stable, build. etc. Many people don't know about the new releases, because they don't read news groups. My cousin, for example, who I converted to SeaMonkey several years ago depends upon the automatic updates. What is the status of the automatic upgrade from 2.0.14 to 2.2? Jim It will probably be superceded by one from 2.0.14 to 2.3 :\ :/ When 2.3 is out yes, but not before we offer the update from 2.0.14-2.2 -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Yahoo! e-mail problem
Jim Dell wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: I am aware of that, of course. Perhaps the user would rather not install a whole new and unfamiliar version of the entire suite, simply to gain access to a site where that manual hack (simple to do) would suffice. Upgrading also gets the user off a security-vulnerable release. It also gets them on our latest, current, stable, build. etc. Many people don't know about the new releases, because they don't read news groups. My cousin, for example, who I converted to SeaMonkey several years ago depends upon the automatic updates. What is the status of the automatic upgrade from 2.0.14 to 2.2? Tomorrow it will be out. (Held out for a few translations) -- ~Justin Wood (Callek) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: National Geographic: Why can't I see their maps?
Robert Gault wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Example: http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/maps/map-machine#s=rc=-56.09018578602696,%20-34.39591415226459z=4 The map pane is blank but the rest of the page displays fine. Internet Exploiter 8 shows the map normally, including the Bing label, in case that's any help. TIA The same thing happens to me with IE8 and Seamonkey2.2. I've had similar problems with some sites which I tend to think is the result of a dial-up connection and/or Internet provider. I suspect timeouts leaving some scripts incomplete. In any case, the Seamonkey Error Console gives several errors and warnings for given url. In particular, map control has an error and VEMap is not defined. There is are several warnings regarding virtualearth.css. Hmmm, after playing around with about:config and removing what seemed to be some obsolete user settings, the Map appeared on the National Geographic site. Perhaps deleting the prefs.js file and letting Seamonkey recreate it might help. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
