Re: [Off-topic] Operating systems (was : Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?)
Ricardo Palomares Martínez wrote: I'm not trying to prove you wrong with this post, but for an average user that is not really able to do himself the housekeeping in the OS (besides applying updates), I'd say you will find / have found more fundamental changes switching from Windows XP to Windows 7 than you would have got switching from Windows XP to Mandriva Linux (or many other Linux distros, for that matter). The times when using Linux implied typing obscure commands (*) to get the system up and running are now a past thing. Let me start by agreeing with you, at least in part : moving from XP to Windows 7 /is/ a nightmare, and I speak as an IT professional with over 25 years experience. And the removal/lack of an up button, and a copyable path, in Windows 7 Explorer are stupidities beyond belief. But with Windows (XP, 7, whatever), the expectation is that the user will /use/ the system, and that is the end of it; with the *X family, on the other hand, the expectation is that the user will also /create/ the system, at least in part, because all of the different flavours of *X mean that many, if not most, add-ons are supplied in source form because there is no one binary that would/could ever run on all *X. And there are very few Windows users who would willing accept that before they can use something, theg must first compile it. And there is, as you correctly say, the arcane command language, consisting in the main of obscure non-mnemonic strings of primarily consonants, in which when a vowel /does/ occur (as in, say, cat or grep) the resulting word still requires a deep knowledge of geek-speak in order to make any sense whatsoever. *X may have its strengths, and the number of apparently intelligent people who choose to use it and to proselytise for it is a good indication of this, but it also has its weaknesses, and for me, and for the vast majority of the home IT world, those weaknesses far outweigh its strengths. ** Phil. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [Off-topic] Operating systems (was : Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?)
Philip TAYLOR wrote: ... And there are very few Windows users who would willing accept that before they can use something, theg must first compile it. On that issue, I've been using Linux for about seven years and have never once compiled a single ... anything. I'm not sure why you think that the mainstream Linuxes still require one to do that. There's around 25,000 applications in my Ubuntu repository. Click and install; no compiling of anything. And about the command line? Most average users will never need to use it or see it. As you mention, geeks might. To create my OS, I merely downloaded an .iso file, burned it to CD, and then booted from the CD. Pretty much like one does with a Windows CD or DVD. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0.14 Holdout is Converted!
On 1/4/2012 3:28 PM PT, Tom Pamin typed: The other good thing I've noted is that SM 2.6.1 does not crash when printing certain web pages. This was becomong a major problem with 2.0.14. Just curious. Which web pages crashed your SM v2.0.14? I haven't run into that problem. I do get rare random crashes from just surfing. ;) Pages with lots of graphics did it, and my roadrunner email page. it was a real pain, since all pages printed fine with IE. Interesting. I haven't really noticed that when I print stuff but I don't know how much graphics you're seeing. Do you have public web page examples that we can access to try? To everyone else, do you have this problem too? -- I have to sit up with a sick ant. --unknown /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [Off-topic] Operating systems (was : Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?)
Philip TAYLOR wrote: Ricardo Palomares Martínez wrote: I'm not trying to prove you wrong with this post, but for an average user that is not really able to do himself the housekeeping in the OS (besides applying updates), I'd say you will find / have found more fundamental changes switching from Windows XP to Windows 7 than you would have got switching from Windows XP to Mandriva Linux (or many other Linux distros, for that matter). The times when using Linux implied typing obscure commands (*) to get the system up and running are now a past thing. Let me start by agreeing with you, at least in part : moving from XP to Windows 7 /is/ a nightmare, and I speak as an IT professional with over 25 years experience. And the removal/lack of an up button, and a copyable path, in Windows 7 Explorer are stupidities beyond belief. ... That was my initial reaction, too. But it turns out you can click any folder name in the displayed hierarchy and go directly there, so there's no need for an up button. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Norton Internet Security 2012 integration with SM 2.6.1
Ant wrote: On 1/4/2012 7:09 PM PT, flyguy typed: Norton Internet Security 2012 offers Browser protection for Internet Explorer 6.0 or later, Chrome 10.0 or later, and Firefox 3.6 or later. According to Norton: When you turn on Browser Protection, Norton Internet Security proactively blocks new or unknown malware programs before they attack your computer. By protecting your Web browser, Norton Internet Security secures your sensitive information and prevents the attackers from controlling your system remotely. Always keep the Browser Protection settings turned on to protect your Web browser against attacks by malicious Web sites. Can SM 2.6.1 fool Norton so it thinks it is FF 3.6 or later, and would the results have any value? Currently, my general.useragent.extra.firefox is set to Firefox/3.0 Nope. It doesn't work with Mozilla's SeaMonkey (SM) web browsers. It's only for Firefox with Mozilla's products. I highly doubt it will ever support SM. SM is not just popular. :( Not clear from the NIS documentation. On my system, the option is there and enabled (not grayed out), so maybe it's working. The web help doesn't mention SM, though: https://www-secure.symantec.com/norton-support/jsp/help-solutions.jsp?utm_source=symcutm_medium=productproduct=Norton+Internet+Securityversion=19.2.0.10lg=0901layout=Retaillayouttype=ESDbuildname=Retailsymskucurrent=20032950symskumedia=21171898partnername=Retailsubremaining=173sublength=180substatus=currentpsn=GRCV8Y84JV8Tactstat=activatedcurdefs=20120105.034hbguid=8715966F-AE18-4E43-8AA1-4F470AADED12osversion=6.1+7601.17640.amd64fre.win7sp1_gdr.110622-1506spversion=1.0oslang=enct=United+Statesieversion=9.0.8112.16421coreservice=Startup+Type%3Aauto+State%3ARunningconntype=1cpu=Intel64+Family+6+Model+42+Stepping+7dsfree=.80dstotal=1584.25memload=26%25memtotal=6919datetime=01-06-2012+16%3A48%3A36+PM+GMThcmode=falsehelpid=NIS_browser_defense_RTentsrc=helpdocid=v15457369_NIS_Retail_2012_en_uspvid=f-nis-curcountry=United+Stateslanguage=English -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [Off-topic] Operating systems (was : Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?)
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
That was my initial reaction, too. But it turns out you can click
any folder name in the displayed hierarchy and go directly there,
so there's no need for an up button.
I agree : there is no /need/ for up button, in just
same way that there is no need for more than one
programming language, so long as that language is
Turing-complete. But for most of us, we each have
a preferred language, which will almost certainly
vary with the task in hand), and few of us (if any)
would be happy if there /were/ just one Turing-complete
language that we had to use for everything.
In just the same way, those of us who have used Windows
since its inception (I personally go back to Windows 2,
but there was really nothing worthwhile before XP)
have grown accustomed to both an up button and
to an address bar with copyable text. To arbitrarily
remove them, and to provide instead breadcrumbs,
just verges on insanity. No, correction : it doesn't
/verge/ on insanity, it is certifiable insanity, and
those responsible should be sectioned and kept away
from society until they can demonstrate that they
have seen the error of their ways ...
Ed Mullen wrote :
right-click in the address bar
Copy address, or,
Copy address as text
Thank you, thank you, thank you : I knew of
shift-right-click on a filename + copy as path,
but that gives a path than ends with a filename;
why I need in 98,5% of cases is just the path,
so your right-click in the address bar + copy
address {as text} has probably saved me years
of heartache.
** Phil.
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Re: Norton Internet Security 2012 integration with SM 2.6.1
I just wrote: Not clear from the NIS documentation. On my system, the option is there and enabled (not grayed out), so maybe it's working. The web help doesn't mention SM, though: https://www-secure.symantec.com/norton-support/jsp/help-solutions.jsp?utm_source=symcutm_medium=productproduct=Norton+Internet+Securityversion=19.2.0.10lg=0901layout=Retaillayouttype=ESDbuildname=Retailsymskucurrent=20032950symskumedia=21171898partnername=Retailsubremaining=173sublength=180substatus=currentpsn=GRCV8Y84JV8Tactstat=activatedcurdefs=20120105.034hbguid=8715966F-AE18-4E43-8AA1-4F470AADED12osversion=6.1+7601.17640.amd64fre.win7sp1_gdr.110622-1506spversion=1.0oslang=enct=United+Statesieversion=9.0.8112.16421coreservice=Startup+Type%3Aauto+State%3ARunningconntype=1cpu=Intel64+Family+6+Model+42+Stepping+7dsfree=.80dstotal=1584.25memload=26%25memtotal=6919datetime=01-06-2012+16%3A48%3A36+PM+GMThcmode=falsehelpid=NIS_browser_defense_RTentsrc=helpdocid=v15457369_NIS_Retail_2012_en_uspvid=f-nis-curcountry=United+Stateslanguage=English Much shorter version of the URL: https://www-secure.symantec.com/norton-support/jsp/help-solutions.jsp?docid=v15457369_NIS_Retail_2012_en_us -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Norton Internet Security 2012 integration with SM 2.6.1
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I just wrote: Not clear from the NIS documentation. On my system, the option is there and enabled (not grayed out), so maybe it's working. The web help doesn't mention SM, though: https://www-secure.symantec.com/norton-support/jsp/help-solutions.jsp?utm_source=symcutm_medium=productproduct=Norton+Internet+Securityversion=19.2.0.10lg=0901layout=Retaillayouttype=ESDbuildname=Retailsymskucurrent=20032950symskumedia=21171898partnername=Retailsubremaining=173sublength=180substatus=currentpsn=GRCV8Y84JV8Tactstat=activatedcurdefs=20120105.034hbguid=8715966F-AE18-4E43-8AA1-4F470AADED12osversion=6.1+7601.17640.amd64fre.win7sp1_gdr.110622-1506spversion=1.0oslang=enct=United+Statesieversion=9.0.8112.16421coreservice=Startup+Type%3Aauto+State%3ARunningconntype=1cpu=Intel64+Family+6+Model+42+Stepping+7dsfree=.80dstotal=1584.25memload=26%25memtotal=6919datetime=01-06-2012+16%3A48%3A36+PM+GMThcmode=falsehelpid=NIS_browser_defense_RTentsrc=helpdocid=v15457369_NIS_Retail_2012_en_uspvid=f-nis-curcountry=United+Stateslanguage=English Much shorter version of the URL: https://www-secure.symantec.com/norton-support/jsp/help-solutions.jsp?docid=v15457369_NIS_Retail_2012_en_us Even shorter version. Unfortunately TinyURL Generator is not available for SeaMonkey. http://tinyurl.com/6ojuu65 -- SeaMonkey | openSUSE 11.4(x86_64) | Gnome 2.32.1 | 1.8GHz CPU | 2GB RAM Get openSUSE: http://software.opensuse.org/121/en Firefox Support: http://support.mozilla.org Profile Manager: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Profile_Manager ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [Off-topic] Operating systems (was : Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?)
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: [...]I've been using Linux for about seven years and have never once compiled a single ... anything. ...though that does remain an option which is available with FOSS --unlike the all-closed-source segment which makes up the majority of the M$ ecosystem. ...despite the fact that even that is a rare occurrence these days: http://google.com/search?q=alien+Linux [...]There's around 25,000 applications in my Ubuntu repository. ...and you wouldn't have to look very hard to find someone whose number is ~34,000. It's difficult to keep track of the current total with the number of available FOSS apps growing daily. The old M$-spread mythology about there being no Linux apps was the impetus of my initial statement/question. [...] To create my OS, I merely downloaded an .iso file, burned it to CD, and then booted from the CD. I say boot *to*, but yeah. ...and don't forget the MD5 check in there. Pretty much like one does with a Windows CD or DVD. ...except that what you get is a complete graphical desktop whence the entire OS and its full complement of apps can be **run** FROM THE REMOVABLE MEDIA (aka a test drive **without** installing anything) which is something you will NEVER be able to do with a M$ disk. You definitely don't have to run around looking for device driver disks --it's all on the one disk you burn. You can always tell the folks who have never actually tried this, as they are the ones who continue to parrot M$'s purposeful lies. With GPartEd (the GNOME Partition Editor) being a standard part of pretty much every Linux distro, that alone would be a good reason for everyone to make the effort to get a bootable Linux CD; it's a gratis and libre equivalent of Partition Magic. ...then there's the can-save-your-bacon factor of a Linux CD for copying stuff off your HDD when Windoze implodes --without altering the contents of your HDD. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Use of Proxy Server and Virus Infections ?
Hartmut Figge wrote: JeffM wrote: My question is: What tasks do these folks actually do that **requires** the easily-infected / needs-anti-whatever-apps OS? There *are* games which wine is unable to cope with. :) ...which echoes my use of the term toy OS. 8-) Don't serious gamers run a dedicated console these days? ...one that doesn't use any of M$'s inferior technology? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Archive folder?
I use a Mac and am operating from OS 10.6.8. I also use SeaMonkey v.2.5. The other day I noticed a new folder in my SM lineup called Archives. What caused that to show up? Was it part of v.2.5 SM and I never noticed it until now? From time to time, I notice new messages in there, in sub-folders titled 2011 or 2012. I don't recall setting up rules to move messages there. What's going on, please? Thanks, keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Subscribing to the feed using SeaMonkey News Blogs
Hello! I tried to add an RSS feed to SeaMonkey NB (from menu Bookmarks - Subscribe to this page - Subscribe to this feed using: News Blogs) but without any reaction. Add RSS feed to Google Reader from the same site works (Subscribe to this feed using: Google) as well as manually add rss feeds to SeaMonkey NB (mailnews window - BN Feeds - Manage subscriptions - Add) It is only my problem, or is this behavior also met someone else? SeaMonkey 2.6.1, linux x86_64 -- Petr Voralek(JabberID: na...@jabber.cz) ... To suppose that we can achieve peace through violence is altogether misguided. (Dalai Lama) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Archive folder?
Keith Whaley wrote: The other day I noticed a new folder in my SM lineup called Archives. What caused that to show up? Was it part of v.2.5 SM and I never noticed it until now? From time to time, I notice new messages in there, in sub-folders titled 2011 or 2012. I don't recall setting up rules to move messages there. What's going on, please? I guess you pressed Shift+A at some point in time... Cf. Edit / Mail Newsgroups Account Settings / account / Copies Folders / Archive Options HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Subscribing to the feed using SeaMonkey News Blogs
Petr Voralek wrote: Hello! I tried to add an RSS feed to SeaMonkey NB (from menu Bookmarks - Subscribe to this page - Subscribe to this feed using: News Blogs) but without any reaction. Add RSS feed to Google Reader from the same site works (Subscribe to this feed using: Google) as well as manually add rss feeds to SeaMonkey NB (mailnews window - BN Feeds - Manage subscriptions - Add) It is only my problem, or is this behavior also met someone else? SeaMonkey 2.6.1, linux x86_64 Bookmarks - Subscribe to This Page - SeaMonkey Project News - Atom-Feed, worked for me in 2.7 from the SeaMonkey Project home page. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ -- SeaMonkey | openSUSE 11.4(x86_64) | Gnome 2.32.1 | 1.8GHz CPU | 2GB RAM Get openSUSE: http://software.opensuse.org/121/en Firefox Support: http://support.mozilla.org Profile Manager: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Profile_Manager ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Exporting from SeaMonkey to be importing into my laptop...
Hello, Everybody, I got a new laptop almost two weeks ago. I got excited about it. Before I downloads SeaMonkey from the SeaMonkey-projects site, I went to my Desktop and I found that I CAN import. But, I am looking for Export. I want to export my stuff from my Desktop into my laptop to be imported. How can I export everything, including mail folders, messages, settings and et'al? Thank you very much. Johnny :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Exporting from SeaMonkey to be importing into my laptop...
On 01/06/2012 10:04 PM, John Cunniff aliandika: Hello, Everybody, I got a new laptop almost two weeks ago. I got excited about it. Before I downloads SeaMonkey from the SeaMonkey-projects site, I went to my Desktop and I found that I CAN import. But, I am looking for Export. I want to export my stuff from my Desktop into my laptop to be imported. How can I export everything, including mail folders, messages, settings and et'al? Thank you very much. Johnny :) I would use SeaMonkey Sync. -- Beta | openSUSE 11.4(x86_64) | Gnome 2.32.1 | 1.8GHz CPU | 2GB RAM Get openSUSE: http://software.opensuse.org/121/en Firefox Support: http://support.mozilla.org Profile Manager: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Profile_Manager ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Norton Internet Security 2012 integration with SM 2.6.1
WLS wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I just wrote: Not clear from the NIS documentation. On my system, the option is there and enabled (not grayed out), so maybe it's working. The web help doesn't mention SM, though: https://www-secure.symantec.com/norton-support/jsp/help-solutions.jsp?utm_source=symcutm_medium=productproduct=Norton+Internet+Securityversion=19.2.0.10lg=0901layout=Retaillayouttype=ESDbuildname=Retailsymskucurrent=20032950symskumedia=21171898partnername=Retailsubremaining=173sublength=180substatus=currentpsn=GRCV8Y84JV8Tactstat=activatedcurdefs=20120105.034hbguid=8715966F-AE18-4E43-8AA1-4F470AADED12osversion=6.1+7601.17640.amd64fre.win7sp1_gdr.110622-1506spversion=1.0oslang=enct=United+Statesieversion=9.0.8112.16421coreservice=Startup+Type%3Aauto+State%3ARunningconntype=1cpu=Intel64+Family+6+Model+42+Stepping+7dsfree=.80dstotal=1584.25memload=26%25memtotal=6919datetime=01-06-2012+16%3A48%3A36+PM+GMThcmode=falsehelpid=NIS_browser_defense_RTentsrc=helpdocid=v15457369_NIS_Retail_2012_en_uspvid=f-nis-curcountry=United+Stateslanguage=English Much shorter version of the URL: https://www-secure.symantec.com/norton-support/jsp/help-solutions.jsp?docid=v15457369_NIS_Retail_2012_en_us Even shorter version. Unfortunately TinyURL Generator is not available for SeaMonkey. What do you mean it's not available for SeaMonkey? -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Adults are just kids who owe money. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Norton Internet Security 2012 integration with SM 2.6.1
On 01/06/2012 11:10 PM, Ed Mullen aliandika:
WLS wrote:
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
I just wrote:
Not clear from the NIS documentation. On my system, the option is there
and enabled (not grayed out), so maybe it's working. The web help
doesn't mention SM, though:
https://www-secure.symantec.com/norton-support/jsp/help-solutions.jsp?utm_source=symcutm_medium=productproduct=Norton+Internet+Securityversion=19.2.0.10lg=0901layout=Retaillayouttype=ESDbuildname=Retailsymskucurrent=20032950symskumedia=21171898partnername=Retailsubremaining=173sublength=180substatus=currentpsn=GRCV8Y84JV8Tactstat=activatedcurdefs=20120105.034hbguid=8715966F-AE18-4E43-8AA1-4F470AADED12osversion=6.1+7601.17640.amd64fre.win7sp1_gdr.110622-1506spversion=1.0oslang=enct=United+Statesieversion=9.0.8112.16421coreservice=Startup+Type%3Aauto+State%3ARunningconntype=1cpu=Intel64+Family+6+Model+42+Stepping+7dsfree=.80dstotal=1584.25memload=26%25memtotal=6919datetime=01-06-2012+16%3A48%3A36+PM+GMThcmode=falsehelpid=NIS_browser_defense_RTentsrc=helpdocid=v15457369_NIS_Retail_2012_en_uspvid=f-nis-curcountry=United+Stateslanguage=English
Much shorter version of the URL:
https://www-secure.symantec.com/norton-support/jsp/help-solutions.jsp?docid=v15457369_NIS_Retail_2012_en_us
Even shorter version. Unfortunately TinyURL Generator is not available
for SeaMonkey.
What do you mean it's not available for SeaMonkey?
Well, when I go to AMO, and search for TinyURL Generator, I find this page.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tinyurl-generator/
When I click on the Add to Firefox button, the extension downloads, and
I get an error message informing me that, TinyURL Generator could not be
installed because it is incompatible with SeaMonkey 2.7.
Also the install.rdf does not have a SeaMonkey code section, like this
one for Firefox.
em:targetApplication
Description
!-- Firefox --
em:id{ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}/em:id
em:minVersion1.5/em:minVersion
em:maxVersion9.0a1/em:maxVersion
/Description
/em:targetApplication
It was interesting that I got it to install, by adding one to the
install.rdf file, from a SeaMonkey extension. However it doesn't appear
to work.
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