date:20120122

On 1/22/12 7:45 PM, Sailfish wrote [in part]:
> 
> You 
> should bring this up to the owner's attention.
> 

I would indeed notify the extension's developer.  However:

*  The AMO site provides no contact info.

*  The developer's site  is very
confusing about reporting problems.

*  There is no real way to submit a bug report against any AMO extension.

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Re: SM 2.6.1...not pleased...

2012-01-22 Thread Michael Gordon


Rufus wrote:

Ok...so I got a new Mac Mini and duplicated my SM 2.0.14 installation on
it and as happy...until I figured I'd try the latest. Installed 2.1
first and all was well - until I tried to go with anything past that to
get to 2.6.1. Biggest issue - no Bookmarks, no Bookmark import/export.

Now all of my Bookmarks are gone, and it seems like there's no way to
import them from the HTML file of my previous Profile. If there is a
way, I can't find it...I don't see any selection for import or export of
Bookmarks as was touted.

I've got no idea about my Passwords, but it looks like they all
transferred. Time will tell. I've wiped my "upgraded" installation and
gone back to 2.0.14 three times already tonight. Next time I do that I
think I'll stay with 2.0.14. Or move onto Safari...

...and BTW - little interface buttons on a big screen display like a 55"
TV are an even bigger PITA than on my laptop.



Rufus,

Did you try Bookmarks/Tools/Import HTML?

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Re: [Add-on Compatibility] was - Re: Cannot Install BetterPrivacy 1.68 in SeaMonkey 2.6.1

My bloviated meandering follows what Philip Chee graced us with on 
1/22/2012 8:11 PM:


[snip /]


There is no such thing as old/new RDF format. These two are identical as
far as RDF is concerned. RDF is a directed graph. The problem is that
there are an infinite number of ways a RDF graph can be serialized out
to disk. The first version listed above is probably written out by the
Gecko RDF serializer (the code of which is old crufty). The second
version listed above was created manually by someone typing it in with a
text editor. When both versions are read into memory and de-serialized,
the internal representation in RAM is the same.

Okay, but as my last post indicates, I simply took the values from the 
BetterPrivacy crufty RDF file and added them using the new format then 
replaced the install.rdf file in the XPI file and it installed splendidly.


Dunno?

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SM 2.6.1...not pleased...

2012-01-22 Thread Rufus

Ok...so I got a new Mac Mini and duplicated my SM 2.0.14 installation on 
it and as happy...until I figured I'd try the latest.  Installed 2.1 
first and all was well - until I tried to go with anything past that to 
get to 2.6.1.  Biggest issue - no Bookmarks, no Bookmark import/export.


Now all of my Bookmarks are gone, and it seems like there's no way to 
import them from the HTML file of my previous Profile.  If there is a 
way, I can't find it...I don't see any selection for import or export of 
Bookmarks as was touted.


I've got no idea about my Passwords, but it looks like they all 
transferred.  Time will tell.  I've wiped my "upgraded" installation and 
gone back to 2.0.14 three times already tonight.  Next time I do that I 
think I'll stay with 2.0.14.  Or move onto Safari...


...and BTW - little interface buttons on a big screen display like a 55" 
TV are an even bigger PITA than on my laptop.


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Re: [Add-on Compatibility] was - Re: Cannot Install BetterPrivacy 1.68 in SeaMonkey 2.6.1

2012-01-22 Thread Philip Chee

On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 19:07:39 -0800, Sailfish wrote:
> My bloviated meandering follows what David E. Ross graced us with on 
> 1/22/2012 5:23 PM:
>> On 1/22/12 4:52 PM, NoOp wrote:
>>> On 01/22/2012 12:57 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote:
 David E. Ross wrote:
> When I try to install BetterPrivacy 1.68 in SeaMonkey 2.6.1, I get the
> following error:  "BetterPrivacy could not be installed because it is
> not compatible with SeaMonkey 2.6.1."  I get this even when I attempt to
> install directly from the AMO site (not my usual practice).
 With the ACR installed, compatibility checks disabled or SM 2.7, you can 
 install the penultimate version of the add-on from its Version History 
 page.

> By the way, selecting the link
> 
> redirects to
> .
 This is because AMO seems to only check the latest add-on version, which 
 is no longer declared compatible with SM (author's fault).
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Jens, any possiblity that the compatibility reporter can include a
>>> box/tick that the extension works if the install.rdf is modified?
>>>
>>> For example: with SM 2.7b4 (linux) the following are fine with a
>>> modified install.rdf:
>>>
>>> - Novell Moonlight 3.99.0.2.99
>>> - Password Exporter 1.2.1
>>>
>>> But, if the install.rdf is modifed (to say
>>> '2.8.*'" and works, the compatibility
>>> reporter denotes: "Marked as compatible by developer" when it actually
>>> wasn't. But the add-on works when modified locally.
>>>
>>> Yes, I understand that it is up to the add-on developer to keep this
>>> updated (install.rdf), and that is not the issue I am pointing out. The
>>> issue is how to sort out compatibility when the install.rdf has been
>>> modified locally _and_ the add-on works when modified.
>>>
>>>
>> 
>> Note that BetterPrivacy 1.68 as downloaded from AMO has install.rdf
>> containing the following:
>> 
>>   
>>   >em:id="{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}"
>>em:minVersion="2.0a1"
>>em:maxVersion="2.6.*"
>>   />
>> 
>> Should not this work with SeaMonkey 2.6.1?
>> 
> That's in the old RDF format so that may be an issue? The newer format 
> looks something like:
> 
>  
> 
>  
>
>  {92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
>  1.0
>  2.6.*
>
>  

There is no such thing as old/new RDF format. These two are identical as
far as RDF is concerned. RDF is a directed graph. The problem is that
there are an infinite number of ways a RDF graph can be serialized out
to disk. The first version listed above is probably written out by the
Gecko RDF serializer (the code of which is old crufty). The second
version listed above was created manually by someone typing it in with a
text editor. When both versions are read into memory and de-serialized,
the internal representation in RAM is the same.

Phil

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Re: Newsgroup no longer in Google Groups?

2012-01-22 Thread Philip Chee

On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:33:16 -0500, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> On 22.01.2012 03:14, Jochen Roderburg wrote:
>>
>>   --- Original Message ---
>>
>>> Anybody knows why this seamonkey newsgroup is no longer available via Google
>>> groups? They say:
>>>
>>> The group named mozilla.support.seamonkey has been removed because it
>>> violated Google's Terms Of Service.
>>>
>>> No more explanations.  :-(
>>>
>>> That's a pity because I found it always very convenient to browse through
>>> the discussions there.  I used the direct NNTP access only when I wanted to
>>> post something myself (like this message  ;-)
>>>
>>> Regards, Jochen Roderburg
>>
>> I filed a bug on this:
>>
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720223
>>
> Now, if, somebody manages to 'resurrect' the *Google* group
> mozilla.support.seamonkey what kind of mess will be the result?
> 
> There will be the 'official' newsgroup mozilla.support.seamonkey hosted on the
> Mozilla news server.
> There will be the 'Google' group mozilla.support.seamonkey hosted at Google 
> and
> There may be the/an Internet newsgroup mozilla.support.seamonkey (if one has
> gotten created within that structure)
> 
> Items posted on 'official' newsgroup will be picked up by the other two.
> Discussions posted to Google will probably remain locked up within Google and
> things posted to the Internet newsgroup mozilla.support.seamonkey will get
> passed on to those hosts which receive that newsgroup. They may get picked up
> by Google. But will probably not make it to the Mozilla news server.
> (This last situation was the case with the Netscape newsgroups, where there 
> were
> any number of postings floating around but not getting archived to the
> 'official' collection.)
> 
> So of what benefit is it create/resurrect the Google group named
> mozilla.support.seamonkey? Certainly let, encourage, Google to archive and
> mirror the content on the Mozilla news server, but not to set up a private
> group with private contents.

The mozilla.* groups on Google Groups *are* supposed to be mirrors for
the official newsgroup/mailing list. Which is why it's so puzzling that
it was removed for violating the Google TOS.

Phil

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Re: [Add-on Compatibility] was - Re: Cannot Install BetterPrivacy 1.68 in SeaMonkey 2.6.1

My bloviated meandering follows what David E. Ross graced us with on 
1/22/2012 7:17 PM:


[snip /]


I tried editing install.rdf to look that way.  It did not help.  And
yes, I know I edited correctly.  I've successfully edited install.rdf
files in quite a few other extensions.

At minimum, it's something in his install.rdf file. I converted it to 
the new format and it at least install okay, see:





http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#";
 xmlns:em="http://www.mozilla.org/2004/em-rdf#";>

  
{d40f5e7b-d2cf-4856-b441-cc613eeffbe3}
1.68




  
{ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}
3.5
11.*
  





  
{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
2.0a1
2.6.*
  



BetterPrivacy
2
"Super-Cookie Safeguard"
Greg Yardley (version 0.2) www.yardley.ca
Icon: Lint Hasenpfeffer (concept by Evan Eckard), 
Code improvements: Ximin Luo, Locales: DE by Endor and others by 
BabelZilla team

http://nc.ddns.us/extensions.html
http://nc.ddns.us/extensions.html

chrome://bprivacy/content/bprivacyopt.xul

http://www.projectit.com/inspectorwidget-about.xul
chrome://bprivacy/content/pie.png

  



I didn't try it on Facebook so there may be other issues with it. You 
should bring this up to the owner's attention.


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Re: top-posting

2012-01-22 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj


Chris Ilias wrote:


As I said, requests about format take focus away from helping people use
SeaMonkey. In other words, top-posting vs bottom-posting debates are off-topic
and don't belong here. They always end up turning into long pissing matches, and
no-one ever changes their opinion.

So please take this debate somewhere else, thanks.


Well, yes. But 'nature calls' and we all need to relieve ourselves.
And for some of us nature strikes with an urgency. :-D
Although the resulting stream may be quite weak or just a dribble.
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Re: top-posting

2012-01-22 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj


Philip TAYLOR wrote:



Rick Merrill wrote:


Some of us routinely clip!-)


And such replies I routinely read :-)
Philip Taylor


And if you'd like to see what has been written previously,
so that you don't wind up simply repeating what has
already been written by someone else, more than one
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Re: Newsgroup no longer in Google Groups?

2012-01-22 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj


Jay Garcia wrote:

On 22.01.2012 03:14, Jochen Roderburg wrote:

  --- Original Message ---


Anybody knows why this seamonkey newsgroup is no longer available via Google
groups? They say:

The group named mozilla.support.seamonkey has been removed because it
violated Google's Terms Of Service.

No more explanations.  :-(

That's a pity because I found it always very convenient to browse through
the discussions there.  I used the direct NNTP access only when I wanted to
post something myself (like this message  ;-)

Regards, Jochen Roderburg


I filed a bug on this:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720223


Now, if, somebody manages to 'resurrect' the *Google* group
mozilla.support.seamonkey what kind of mess will be the result?

There will be the 'official' newsgroup mozilla.support.seamonkey hosted on the
Mozilla news server.
There will be the 'Google' group mozilla.support.seamonkey hosted at Google and
There may be the/an Internet newsgroup mozilla.support.seamonkey (if one has
gotten created within that structure)

Items posted on 'official' newsgroup will be picked up by the other two.
Discussions posted to Google will probably remain locked up within Google and
things posted to the Internet newsgroup mozilla.support.seamonkey will get
passed on to those hosts which receive that newsgroup. They may get picked up
by Google. But will probably not make it to the Mozilla news server.
(This last situation was the case with the Netscape newsgroups, where there were
any number of postings floating around but not getting archived to the
'official' collection.)

So of what benefit is it create/resurrect the Google group named
mozilla.support.seamonkey? Certainly let, encourage, Google to archive and
mirror the content on the Mozilla news server, but not to set up a private
group with private contents.

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Re: [Add-on Compatibility] was - Re: Cannot Install BetterPrivacy 1.68 in SeaMonkey 2.6.1

On 1/22/12 7:07 PM, Sailfish wrote:
> My bloviated meandering follows what David E. Ross graced us with on 
> 1/22/2012 5:23 PM:
>> On 1/22/12 4:52 PM, NoOp wrote:
>>> On 01/22/2012 12:57 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote:
 David E. Ross wrote:
> When I try to install BetterPrivacy 1.68 in SeaMonkey 2.6.1, I get the
> following error:  "BetterPrivacy could not be installed because it is
> not compatible with SeaMonkey 2.6.1."  I get this even when I attempt to
> install directly from the AMO site (not my usual practice).
 With the ACR installed, compatibility checks disabled or SM 2.7, you can 
 install the penultimate version of the add-on from its Version History 
 page.

> By the way, selecting the link
> 
> redirects to
> .
 This is because AMO seems to only check the latest add-on version, which 
 is no longer declared compatible with SM (author's fault).
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Jens, any possiblity that the compatibility reporter can include a
>>> box/tick that the extension works if the install.rdf is modified?
>>>
>>> For example: with SM 2.7b4 (linux) the following are fine with a
>>> modified install.rdf:
>>>
>>> - Novell Moonlight 3.99.0.2.99
>>> - Password Exporter 1.2.1
>>>
>>> But, if the install.rdf is modifed (to say
>>> '2.8.*'" and works, the compatibility
>>> reporter denotes: "Marked as compatible by developer" when it actually
>>> wasn't. But the add-on works when modified locally.
>>>
>>> Yes, I understand that it is up to the add-on developer to keep this
>>> updated (install.rdf), and that is not the issue I am pointing out. The
>>> issue is how to sort out compatibility when the install.rdf has been
>>> modified locally _and_ the add-on works when modified.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Note that BetterPrivacy 1.68 as downloaded from AMO has install.rdf
>> containing the following:
>>
>>   
>>   >em:id="{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}"
>>em:minVersion="2.0a1"
>>em:maxVersion="2.6.*"
>>   />
>>
>> Should not this work with SeaMonkey 2.6.1?
>>
> That's in the old RDF format so that may be an issue? The newer format 
> looks something like:
> 
>  
> 
>  
>
>  {92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
>  1.0
>  2.6.*
>
>  
> 

I tried editing install.rdf to look that way.  It did not help.  And
yes, I know I edited correctly.  I've successfully edited install.rdf
files in quite a few other extensions.

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Re: [Add-on Compatibility] was - Re: Cannot Install BetterPrivacy 1.68 in SeaMonkey 2.6.1

On 1/22/12 6:08 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 01/22/2012 05:53 PM, NoOp wrote:
>> On 01/22/2012 05:23 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>>> On 1/22/12 4:52 PM, NoOp wrote:
>> ...
 Jens, any possiblity that the compatibility reporter can include a
 box/tick that the extension works if the install.rdf is modified?

 For example: with SM 2.7b4 (linux) the following are fine with a
 modified install.rdf:

 - Novell Moonlight 3.99.0.2.99
 - Password Exporter 1.2.1

 But, if the install.rdf is modifed (to say
 '2.8.*'" and works, the compatibility
 reporter denotes: "Marked as compatible by developer" when it actually
 wasn't. But the add-on works when modified locally.

 Yes, I understand that it is up to the add-on developer to keep this
 updated (install.rdf), and that is not the issue I am pointing out. The
 issue is how to sort out compatibility when the install.rdf has been
 modified locally _and_ the add-on works when modified.
>> ...
>>>
>>> Note that BetterPrivacy 1.68 as downloaded from AMO has install.rdf
>>> containing the following:
>>>
>>>   
>>>   >>em:id="{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}"
>>>em:minVersion="2.0a1"
>>>em:maxVersion="2.6.*"
>>>   />
>>>
>>> Should not this work with SeaMonkey 2.6.1?
>>>
>>
>> IMO yes.
> 
> BetterPrivacy Version History
> Version 1.68 Released January 20, 2012 138.2 KB Works with Firefox 3.5 -
> 11.*
> 
> However when I attempt to install in 2.7b4 I see that it thinks that I
> have Firefox 2.7, when in actuality I have:
> 
> Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120119
> Firefox/10.0 SeaMonkey/2.7
> 
> 
> Add to Firefox
> Not available for Firefox 2.7
> 
> So I think there is an issue with the AMO not detecting the correct
> version of SeaMonkey.
> 
> However it works if I use FF:
> Mozilla/5.0 (Ubuntu; X11; Linux i686; rv:9.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/9.0.1
> 
> Or:
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0a1) Gecko/20110929 Firefox/10.0a1

I've disabled "Advertise Firefox compatibility", so my UA string is:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:9.0.1) Gecko/20111221 SeaMonkey/2.6.1

This should satisfy
em:maxVersion="2.6.*"

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Re: [Add-on Compatibility] was - Re: Cannot Install BetterPrivacy 1.68 in SeaMonkey 2.6.1

My bloviated meandering follows what David E. Ross graced us with on 
1/22/2012 5:23 PM:

On 1/22/12 4:52 PM, NoOp wrote:

On 01/22/2012 12:57 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

When I try to install BetterPrivacy 1.68 in SeaMonkey 2.6.1, I get the
following error:  "BetterPrivacy could not be installed because it is
not compatible with SeaMonkey 2.6.1."  I get this even when I attempt to
install directly from the AMO site (not my usual practice).
With the ACR installed, compatibility checks disabled or SM 2.7, you can 
install the penultimate version of the add-on from its Version History page.



By the way, selecting the link

redirects to
.
This is because AMO seems to only check the latest add-on version, which 
is no longer declared compatible with SM (author's fault).

...

Jens, any possiblity that the compatibility reporter can include a
box/tick that the extension works if the install.rdf is modified?

For example: with SM 2.7b4 (linux) the following are fine with a
modified install.rdf:

- Novell Moonlight 3.99.0.2.99
- Password Exporter 1.2.1

But, if the install.rdf is modifed (to say
'2.8.*'" and works, the compatibility
reporter denotes: "Marked as compatible by developer" when it actually
wasn't. But the add-on works when modified locally.

Yes, I understand that it is up to the add-on developer to keep this
updated (install.rdf), and that is not the issue I am pointing out. The
issue is how to sort out compatibility when the install.rdf has been
modified locally _and_ the add-on works when modified.




Note that BetterPrivacy 1.68 as downloaded from AMO has install.rdf
containing the following:

  
  

Should not this work with SeaMonkey 2.6.1?

That's in the old RDF format so that may be an issue? The newer format 
looks something like:





  
{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
1.0
2.6.*
  


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Re: [Add-on Compatibility] was - Re: Cannot Install BetterPrivacy 1.68 in SeaMonkey 2.6.1

2012-01-22 Thread NoOp

On 01/22/2012 05:53 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 01/22/2012 05:23 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 1/22/12 4:52 PM, NoOp wrote:
> ...
>>> Jens, any possiblity that the compatibility reporter can include a
>>> box/tick that the extension works if the install.rdf is modified?
>>> 
>>> For example: with SM 2.7b4 (linux) the following are fine with a
>>> modified install.rdf:
>>> 
>>> - Novell Moonlight 3.99.0.2.99
>>> - Password Exporter 1.2.1
>>> 
>>> But, if the install.rdf is modifed (to say
>>> '2.8.*'" and works, the compatibility
>>> reporter denotes: "Marked as compatible by developer" when it actually
>>> wasn't. But the add-on works when modified locally.
>>> 
>>> Yes, I understand that it is up to the add-on developer to keep this
>>> updated (install.rdf), and that is not the issue I am pointing out. The
>>> issue is how to sort out compatibility when the install.rdf has been
>>> modified locally _and_ the add-on works when modified.
> ...
>> 
>> Note that BetterPrivacy 1.68 as downloaded from AMO has install.rdf
>> containing the following:
>> 
>>   
>>   >em:id="{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}"
>>em:minVersion="2.0a1"
>>em:maxVersion="2.6.*"
>>   />
>> 
>> Should not this work with SeaMonkey 2.6.1?
>> 
> 
> IMO yes.

BetterPrivacy Version History
Version 1.68 Released January 20, 2012 138.2 KB Works with Firefox 3.5 -
11.*

However when I attempt to install in 2.7b4 I see that it thinks that I
have Firefox 2.7, when in actuality I have:

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120119
Firefox/10.0 SeaMonkey/2.7


Add to Firefox
Not available for Firefox 2.7

So I think there is an issue with the AMO not detecting the correct
version of SeaMonkey.

However it works if I use FF:
Mozilla/5.0 (Ubuntu; X11; Linux i686; rv:9.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/9.0.1

Or:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0a1) Gecko/20110929 Firefox/10.0a1





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Re: [Add-on Compatibility] was - Re: Cannot Install BetterPrivacy 1.68 in SeaMonkey 2.6.1

2012-01-22 Thread NoOp

On 01/22/2012 05:23 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 1/22/12 4:52 PM, NoOp wrote:
...
>> Jens, any possiblity that the compatibility reporter can include a
>> box/tick that the extension works if the install.rdf is modified?
>> 
>> For example: with SM 2.7b4 (linux) the following are fine with a
>> modified install.rdf:
>> 
>> - Novell Moonlight 3.99.0.2.99
>> - Password Exporter 1.2.1
>> 
>> But, if the install.rdf is modifed (to say
>> '2.8.*'" and works, the compatibility
>> reporter denotes: "Marked as compatible by developer" when it actually
>> wasn't. But the add-on works when modified locally.
>> 
>> Yes, I understand that it is up to the add-on developer to keep this
>> updated (install.rdf), and that is not the issue I am pointing out. The
>> issue is how to sort out compatibility when the install.rdf has been
>> modified locally _and_ the add-on works when modified.
...
> 
> Note that BetterPrivacy 1.68 as downloaded from AMO has install.rdf
> containing the following:
> 
>   
>   em:id="{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}"
>em:minVersion="2.0a1"
>em:maxVersion="2.6.*"
>   />
> 
> Should not this work with SeaMonkey 2.6.1?
> 

IMO yes.
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Re: [Add-on Compatibility] was - Re: Cannot Install BetterPrivacy 1.68 in SeaMonkey 2.6.1

On 1/22/12 4:52 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 01/22/2012 12:57 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote:
>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>> When I try to install BetterPrivacy 1.68 in SeaMonkey 2.6.1, I get the
>>> following error:  "BetterPrivacy could not be installed because it is
>>> not compatible with SeaMonkey 2.6.1."  I get this even when I attempt to
>>> install directly from the AMO site (not my usual practice).
>>
>> With the ACR installed, compatibility checks disabled or SM 2.7, you can 
>> install the penultimate version of the add-on from its Version History page.
>>
>>> By the way, selecting the link
>>> 
>>> redirects to
>>> .
>>
>> This is because AMO seems to only check the latest add-on version, which 
>> is no longer declared compatible with SM (author's fault).
> ...
> 
> Jens, any possiblity that the compatibility reporter can include a
> box/tick that the extension works if the install.rdf is modified?
> 
> For example: with SM 2.7b4 (linux) the following are fine with a
> modified install.rdf:
> 
> - Novell Moonlight 3.99.0.2.99
> - Password Exporter 1.2.1
> 
> But, if the install.rdf is modifed (to say
> '2.8.*'" and works, the compatibility
> reporter denotes: "Marked as compatible by developer" when it actually
> wasn't. But the add-on works when modified locally.
> 
> Yes, I understand that it is up to the add-on developer to keep this
> updated (install.rdf), and that is not the issue I am pointing out. The
> issue is how to sort out compatibility when the install.rdf has been
> modified locally _and_ the add-on works when modified.
> 
> 

Note that BetterPrivacy 1.68 as downloaded from AMO has install.rdf
containing the following:

  
  

Should not this work with SeaMonkey 2.6.1?

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[Add-on Compatibility] was - Re: Cannot Install BetterPrivacy 1.68 in SeaMonkey 2.6.1

2012-01-22 Thread NoOp

On 01/22/2012 12:57 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> When I try to install BetterPrivacy 1.68 in SeaMonkey 2.6.1, I get the
>> following error:  "BetterPrivacy could not be installed because it is
>> not compatible with SeaMonkey 2.6.1."  I get this even when I attempt to
>> install directly from the AMO site (not my usual practice).
> 
> With the ACR installed, compatibility checks disabled or SM 2.7, you can 
> install the penultimate version of the add-on from its Version History page.
> 
>> By the way, selecting the link
>> 
>> redirects to
>> .
> 
> This is because AMO seems to only check the latest add-on version, which 
> is no longer declared compatible with SM (author's fault).
...

Jens, any possiblity that the compatibility reporter can include a
box/tick that the extension works if the install.rdf is modified?

For example: with SM 2.7b4 (linux) the following are fine with a
modified install.rdf:

- Novell Moonlight 3.99.0.2.99
- Password Exporter 1.2.1

But, if the install.rdf is modifed (to say
'2.8.*'" and works, the compatibility
reporter denotes: "Marked as compatible by developer" when it actually
wasn't. But the add-on works when modified locally.

Yes, I understand that it is up to the add-on developer to keep this
updated (install.rdf), and that is not the issue I am pointing out. The
issue is how to sort out compatibility when the install.rdf has been
modified locally _and_ the add-on works when modified.

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Re: Icon

2012-01-22 Thread AnthonyEMILY24

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Re: Make Firefox default browser for SeaMonkey Mail?

2012-01-22 Thread Michael Lueck


Chris Ilias wrote:

If anyone wants to use SeaMonkey as a stand-alone mailnews client, they should 
seriously consider moving to Thunderbird.


There has been considerable damage done to the Thunderbird product, such that 
migrations from Thunderbird back to SeaMonkey are highly preferable.

Thus the outcome I see as the configuration of choice at the present time is 
Firefox + SeaMonkey.

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Re: Make Firefox default browser for SeaMonkey Mail?

2012-01-22 Thread Philip TAYLOR




Chris Ilias wrote:


If anyone wants to use SeaMonkey as a stand-alone mailnews client, they should 
seriously consider moving to Thunderbird.


I would have thought that if such a person were happy with
Thunderbird, he or she would not be wanting to use Seamonkey
as a stand-alone mailnews client in the first place.

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Re: Make Firefox default browser for SeaMonkey Mail?

2012-01-22 Thread Chris Ilias


On 12-01-22 3:48 AM, _Daniel_ spoke thusly:

As I recall, what you need to do is to set one of the preferences to
start FF instead of the SeaMonkey browser, unfortunately I don't known
which pref, and looking at "about:config" in a browser screen and
filtering on "browser" shows there are a lot that it could be.


That would be at , but it no 
longer works. I've been slowly updating the site, and I'll archive that 
item soon.


If anyone wants to use SeaMonkey as a stand-alone mailnews client, they 
should seriously consider moving to Thunderbird.


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Re: Cannot Install BetterPrivacy 1.68 in SeaMonkey 2.6.1

2012-01-22 Thread Jens Hatlak


David E. Ross wrote:

When I try to install BetterPrivacy 1.68 in SeaMonkey 2.6.1, I get the
following error:  "BetterPrivacy could not be installed because it is
not compatible with SeaMonkey 2.6.1."  I get this even when I attempt to
install directly from the AMO site (not my usual practice).


With the ACR installed, compatibility checks disabled or SM 2.7, you can 
install the penultimate version of the add-on from its Version History page.



By the way, selecting the link

redirects to
.


This is because AMO seems to only check the latest add-on version, which 
is no longer declared compatible with SM (author's fault).


HTH

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Cannot Install BetterPrivacy 1.68 in SeaMonkey 2.6.1

When I try to install BetterPrivacy 1.68 in SeaMonkey 2.6.1, I get the
following error:  "BetterPrivacy could not be installed because it is
not compatible with SeaMonkey 2.6.1."  I get this even when I attempt to
install directly from the AMO site (not my usual practice).

By the way, selecting the link

redirects to
.

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Re: Newsgroup no longer in Google Groups?

My bloviated meandering follows what Jochen Roderburg graced us with on 
1/22/2012 1:14 AM:

Anybody knows why this seamonkey newsgroup is no longer available via Google
groups? They say:

The group named mozilla.support.seamonkey has been removed because it
violated Google's Terms Of Service. 


No more explanations.  :-(

That's a pity because I found it always very convenient to browse through
the discussions there.  I used the direct NNTP access only when I wanted to
post something myself (like this message  ;-)

REF: 
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/unlock?_done=/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/0b1b55e6e0d6bd42


*Cannot find mozilla.support.seamonkey* 

The group named mozilla.support.seamonkey has been removed because it 
violated Google's Terms Of Service.


Dunno

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Re: [Ubuntu 11.10 / SM 2.6.1] "Paste without formatting" not available in Composer?

2012-01-22 Thread Rob Lindauer


WLS wrote:

Rob Lindauer wrote:

When I'm pasting (say, from an email) into an .html file open for
editing in Composer, I get just the "paste' option ("paste without
formatting" is greyed out). Bug, or just me? THanks!



WFM in SeaMonkey 2.7b4, when pasting text from an email, into an .html
file open in Composer.




Thanks, likely just me.

I omitted what could be an important point (bad Rob! bad!) - I encounter 
the failure when I'm pasting text into tables, and not in the document 
body outside tables.


Thx, RL

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Re: [Ubuntu 11.10 / SM 2.6.1] "Paste without formatting" not available in Composer?

2012-01-22 Thread WLS


Rob Lindauer wrote:

When I'm pasting (say, from an email) into an .html file open for
editing in Composer, I get just the "paste' option ("paste without
formatting" is greyed out). Bug, or just me? THanks!



WFM in SeaMonkey 2.7b4, when pasting text from an email, into an .html 
file open in Composer.


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Re: Newsgroup no longer in Google Groups?

2012-01-22 Thread Michael Gordon


Jochen Roderburg wrote:

Anybody knows why this seamonkey newsgroup is no longer available via Google
groups? They say:

The group named mozilla.support.seamonkey has been removed because it
violated Google's Terms Of Service.

No more explanations.  :-(

That's a pity because I found it always very convenient to browse through
the discussions there.  I used the direct NNTP access only when I wanted to
post something myself (like this message  ;-)

Regards, Jochen Roderburg


All the more reason to use the SeaMonkey Newsgroup application for 
direct connection the Mozilla.support.seamonkey newsgroup server.


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[Ubuntu 11.10 / SM 2.6.1] "Paste without formatting" not available in Composer?

2012-01-22 Thread Rob Lindauer

When I'm pasting (say, from an email) into an .html file open for 
editing in Composer, I get just the "paste' option ("paste without 
formatting" is greyed out).  Bug, or just me?  THanks!

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Re: [VML] Works in IE not in SM support-seamonkey Digest, Vol 73/57

2012-01-22 Thread Ray_Net

Joe Rotello wrote:

Subject:
[VML] Works in IE not in SM
From: NoOp 
Date:1/22/2012 12:16 AM

To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
On 01/21/2012 02:32 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
http://chez-momo.fr/mona-lisa.html

Did someone know why SM cannot render the picture ? >>

Because VML (Vector Markup Language) is one of the most proprietary, 
useless and long ignored non-standards around.

It should not be used as it's been long superseded by firm,
major-percentage-in-use standards that are used by perhaps 85 to 99 % 
of all browsers, graphics applications and so forth.

Stop battering SM and other browsers and condemning the browser, when 
it is especially poor designer and end-user demands that show up how 
ineffective and problematic that VML was, has been and is. Is it any 
wonder that it was never adopted as a real and useful standard, 
grossly in favor of the much better SVG and others ?

Joe

STOP battering me with this issue - perhaps you don't understand my last 
post saying:
I have updated https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193886 
asking to close it.

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Re: Newsgroup no longer in Google Groups?

2012-01-22 Thread Jay Garcia

On 22.01.2012 03:14, Jochen Roderburg wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> Anybody knows why this seamonkey newsgroup is no longer available via Google
> groups? They say:
> 
> The group named mozilla.support.seamonkey has been removed because it
> violated Google's Terms Of Service. 
> 
> No more explanations.  :-(
> 
> That's a pity because I found it always very convenient to browse through
> the discussions there.  I used the direct NNTP access only when I wanted to
> post something myself (like this message  ;-)
> 
> Regards, Jochen Roderburg

I filed a bug on this:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720223

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Re: Newsgroup no longer in Google Groups?

2012-01-22 Thread Jay Garcia

On 22.01.2012 08:18, Jochen Roderburg wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> On 2012-01-22, Hartmut Figge  wrote:
>> Jay Garcia:
>>>On 22.01.2012 04:58, Jochen Roderburg wrote:
>>
 Cannot find mozilla.support.seamonkey  
 The group named mozilla.support.seamonkey has been removed because it
 violated Google's Terms Of Service. 
>>>
>>>No idea what is up with this. I get:
>>>
>>>No groups match mozilla.support.seamonkey.
>>>Suggestions:
>>
>> Click on mozilla.support.seamonkey in the second line of an answer.
>> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=mozilla.support.seamonkey&qt_s=Search
>>
>> Hartmut
> 
> As I wrote already, this brings up search results from the (obviously still
> existing) group archive, but not the Google group itself.
> And when you click on any of the search results, you are back to square one:
> Cannot find mozilla.support.seamonkey
> 
> Isn't there some "administrator" who maintains the newsgroup on the mozilla
> server and the connection to the (lost) Google group and is more informed
> about what Google did not like about the group and could perhaps bring it
> back to life?
> 
> JR

I am presently filing a bug on this. Will report back the results.

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Re: Newsgroup no longer in Google Groups?

2012-01-22 Thread Hartmut Figge

Jochen Roderburg:
>On 2012-01-22, Hartmut Figge  wrote:

>> Click on mozilla.support.seamonkey in the second line of an answer.
>> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=mozilla.support.seamonkey&qt_s=Search
>
>As I wrote already, ...

My comment was to clarify how to get the response from Google. ;)

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Re: [VML] Works in IE not in SM support-seamonkey Digest, Vol 73/57

2012-01-22 Thread Joe Rotello

Subject:
[VML] Works in IE not in SM
From: NoOp 
Date:1/22/2012 12:16 AM

To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
On 01/21/2012 02:32 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
http://chez-momo.fr/mona-lisa.html

Did someone know why SM cannot render the picture ? >>

Because VML (Vector Markup Language) is one of the most proprietary, 
useless and long ignored non-standards around.

It should not be used as it's been long superseded by firm,
major-percentage-in-use standards that are used by perhaps 85 to 99 % of 
all browsers, graphics applications and so forth.

Stop battering SM and other browsers and condemning the browser, when it 
is especially poor designer and end-user demands that show up how 
ineffective and problematic that VML was, has been and is. Is it any 
wonder that it was never adopted as a real and useful standard, grossly 
in favor of the much better SVG and others ?

Joe

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Re: Newsgroup no longer in Google Groups?

2012-01-22 Thread Jochen Roderburg

On 2012-01-22, Hartmut Figge  wrote:
> Jay Garcia:
>>On 22.01.2012 04:58, Jochen Roderburg wrote:
>
>>> Cannot find mozilla.support.seamonkey   
>>> The group named mozilla.support.seamonkey has been removed because it
>>> violated Google's Terms Of Service. 
>>
>>No idea what is up with this. I get:
>>
>>No groups match mozilla.support.seamonkey.
>>Suggestions:
>
> Click on mozilla.support.seamonkey in the second line of an answer.
> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=mozilla.support.seamonkey&qt_s=Search
>
> Hartmut

As I wrote already, this brings up search results from the (obviously still
existing) group archive, but not the Google group itself.
And when you click on any of the search results, you are back to square one:
Cannot find mozilla.support.seamonkey

Isn't there some "administrator" who maintains the newsgroup on the mozilla
server and the connection to the (lost) Google group and is more informed
about what Google did not like about the group and could perhaps bring it
back to life?

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Re: [VML] Works in IE not in SM support-seamonkey Digest, Vol 73/57

2012-01-22 Thread Joe Rotello

On 1/22/2012 4:25 AM, support-seamonkey-requ...@lists.mozilla.org wrote:

Subject:
[VML] Works in IE not in SM
From:
NoOp 
Date:
1/22/2012 12:16 AM

To:
support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org

On 01/21/2012 02:32 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

>  http://chez-momo.fr/mona-lisa.html
>  
>  Did someone know why SM cannot render the picture ?
>  

Because VML (Vector Markup Language) is one of the most proprietary, 
useless and long ignored non-standards around.

It should not be used as it's been long superseded by firm, 
major-percentage-in-use standards that are used by perhaps 85 to 99 % of 
all browsers, graphics applications and so forth.

Stop battering SM and other browsers and condemning the browser, when it 
is especially poor designer and end-user demands that show up how 
ineffective and problematic that VML was, has been and is. Is it any 
wonder that it was never adopted as a real and useful standard, grossly 
in favor of the better SVG and others ?

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Re: Newsgroup no longer in Google Groups?

2012-01-22 Thread Philip TAYLOR




Hartmut Figge wrote:


Click on mozilla.support.seamonkey in the second line of an answer.
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=mozilla.support.seamonkey&qt_s=Search


and then follow any of the links :


Cannot find mozilla.support.seamonkey   

The group named mozilla.support.seamonkey has been removed because it violated 
Google's Terms Of Service.


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Re: Newsgroup no longer in Google Groups?

2012-01-22 Thread Hartmut Figge

Jay Garcia:
>On 22.01.2012 04:58, Jochen Roderburg wrote:

>> Cannot find mozilla.support.seamonkey
>> The group named mozilla.support.seamonkey has been removed because it
>> violated Google's Terms Of Service. 
>
>No idea what is up with this. I get:
>
>No groups match mozilla.support.seamonkey.
>Suggestions:

Click on mozilla.support.seamonkey in the second line of an answer.
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=mozilla.support.seamonkey&qt_s=Search

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Re: Newsgroup no longer in Google Groups?

2012-01-22 Thread Jay Garcia

On 22.01.2012 04:58, Jochen Roderburg wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> On 2012-01-22, Daniel  wrote:
>> Jochen Roderburg wrote:
>>> Anybody knows why this seamonkey newsgroup is no longer available via Google
>>> groups? They say:
>>>
>>> The group named mozilla.support.seamonkey has been removed because it
>>> violated Google's Terms Of Service.
>>>
>> mozilla.support.seamonkey is showing up for me if I search on 
>> "Groups-Google".
>>
>> WFM
>>
> 
> Hmm, I start on Google Groups main page
> http://groups.google.com/
> 
> When I enter mozilla.support.seamonkey in "Search Groups"
> I get what I think is a search in old archived articles.
> 
> When I enter mozilla.support.seamonkey in "Search for a Group"
> I get  "No groups match mozilla.support.seamonkey."
> 
> When I go direct to the former URL of the group
> http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey
> I get what I reported:
> 
> Cannot find mozilla.support.seamonkey 
> The group named mozilla.support.seamonkey has been removed because it
> violated Google's Terms Of Service. 
> 
> JR

No idea what is up with this. I get:

No groups match mozilla.support.seamonkey.
Suggestions:

- Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
- Try different keywords.



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Re: Anyone else see SeaMonkey mail folders loose their children folders?

2012-01-22 Thread Michael Lueck

Daniel wrote:

reading the Bugzilla report you quoted, in the first entry the poster said he
had 7.6GB Inbox (including all his sub-inboxes). 7.6GB...what the heck for??

I am not such a pack rat. My entire SM profile is running around 2GB.

The two main accounts I use, have MANY folders under - thus that are seeing
this problem - have an InBox size of 27.2 MB and 66 MB. (That is just the inbox
size)

In total I have around 1500 folders, most heavily / deeply nested.

I wonder if SM is having troubles indexing the sub-folders and indexing the sub-sub-folders, and is
not so much "losing their children" but rather "taking it's time re-indexing
them".

I switched off automatic compact back during use of TB.

It seems to me to be related to my use of filters to move messages to the correct folder. The folders will be fine, a message comes in, and suddenly when I expand out a folder at InBox level to see
the new message (several folders deep), then sometimes the destination folder is not visible (along with many other folders loosing their children). I then open a new instance of SM Mail, close the
old one, and read my message I received.

I collapse folder trees at the folder just under the InBox. Both TB and SM are able to remember which subfolders I wanted open/closed within each subtree, thus I use that to my advantage and leave
critical path sub,sub-sub,sub-sub-sub branches always open and simply collapse the folder directly off the InBox. When I want to reopen that subtree, I click the folder just off the InBox, and to my
annoyance SM FREQUENTLY is unable to correctly display the entire subtree correctly.

Additionally, I wonder how often you "File->Compact Folder" on each of your
mail accounts, sub-accounts, sub-sub...

Weekly, when I do my SM profile backups I do:

1) Delete all Junk mail
2) File \ Empty Trash
3) File \ Compact Folders

on each account's InBox folder. I see the compact operation enumerate correctly
through each accounts folder tree structure via the status bar.

Sincerely,

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Lueck Data Systems
http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/
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Re: Newsgroup no longer in Google Groups?

2012-01-22 Thread Jochen Roderburg

On 2012-01-22, Daniel  wrote:
> Jochen Roderburg wrote:
>> Anybody knows why this seamonkey newsgroup is no longer available via Google
>> groups? They say:
>>
>> The group named mozilla.support.seamonkey has been removed because it
>> violated Google's Terms Of Service.
>>
> mozilla.support.seamonkey is showing up for me if I search on 
> "Groups-Google".
>
> WFM
>

Hmm, I start on Google Groups main page
http://groups.google.com/

When I enter mozilla.support.seamonkey in "Search Groups"
I get what I think is a search in old archived articles.

When I enter mozilla.support.seamonkey in "Search for a Group"
I get  "No groups match mozilla.support.seamonkey."

When I go direct to the former URL of the group
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey
I get what I reported:

Cannot find mozilla.support.seamonkey   
The group named mozilla.support.seamonkey has been removed because it
violated Google's Terms Of Service. 

JR
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Re: Newsgroup no longer in Google Groups?


Jochen Roderburg wrote:

Anybody knows why this seamonkey newsgroup is no longer available via Google
groups? They say:

The group named mozilla.support.seamonkey has been removed because it
violated Google's Terms Of Service.

No more explanations.  :-(

That's a pity because I found it always very convenient to browse through
the discussions there.  I used the direct NNTP access only when I wanted to
post something myself (like this message  ;-)

Regards, Jochen Roderburg


mozilla.support.seamonkey is showing up for me if I search on 
"Groups-Google".


WFM

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Re: Works in IE not in SM

2012-01-22 Thread Ray_Net


NoOp wrote:

On 01/21/2012 02:32 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

http://chez-momo.fr/mona-lisa.html

Did someone know why SM cannot render the picture ?


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193886

FYI:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Markup_Language



Thanks for all your replies.
I have updated https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193886 
asking to close it.

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Re: Anyone else see SeaMonkey mail folders loose their children folders?


Michael Lueck wrote:

Greetings,

Right along since switching to SM from TB 2.0.x, I have been reporting
that POP account mail folders "loose their children" randomly. I think I
found a bug documenting others seeing the same thing here:

"[Bug 593519] Unable to expand a folder's subfolders without opening the
folder first in a new email window"
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=593519

Am I the only one that has this happening? Or does it not bother others?

I would like to get it resolved. I am holding up migrating other users
from TB 2.0.x pending a resolution to this one bug.

Currently I am running the official Linux x64 builds. It was happening
right along with the official Linux x86 builds as well.

How could I help get some action on this bug? Thanks!

Sincerely,



Michael, reading the Bugzilla report you quoted, in the first entry the 
poster said he had 7.6GB Inbox (including all his sub-inboxes). 
7.6GB...what the heck for??


I wonder if SM is having troubles indexing the sub-folders and indexing 
the sub-sub-folders, and is not so much "losing their children" but 
rather "taking it's time re-indexing them".


Additionally, I wonder how often you "File->Compact Folder" on each of 
your mail accounts, sub-accounts, sub-sub...


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Newsgroup no longer in Google Groups?

2012-01-22 Thread Jochen Roderburg

Anybody knows why this seamonkey newsgroup is no longer available via Google
groups? They say:

The group named mozilla.support.seamonkey has been removed because it
violated Google's Terms Of Service. 

No more explanations.  :-(

That's a pity because I found it always very convenient to browse through
the discussions there.  I used the direct NNTP access only when I wanted to
post something myself (like this message  ;-)

Regards, Jochen Roderburg
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Re: Make Firefox default browser for SeaMonkey Mail?


Jim Van Abbema wrote:

Hello,

Is it possible to configure SeaMonkey mail to launch Firefox instead of the
SeaMonkey browser for links in e-mail messages?

Thanks,

Jim Van Abbema


Jim, I read your post last night but did not reply as I was not sure of 
the details, and there is no need to use any extension.


As I recall, what you need to do is to set one of the preferences to 
start FF instead of the SeaMonkey browser, unfortunately I don't known 
which pref, and looking at "about:config" in a browser screen and 
filtering on "browser" shows there are a lot that it could be.


Hopefully, someone more knowledgeable than I will drop by and supply 
that information.


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Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours, and may 2012 be 
better than 2011.


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Re: Mail Errors