Re: 1.1.2 Candidate 5/10/09
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Re: Mozilla disk hog/locks are killing my productivity
Daniel wrote: nikolam wrote: It also happens on another machine that runs SunOS instead of Linux - Illumos/OpenIndiana 151a2 , while using Thunderbird 10.x as well as with Seamonkey on Linux Xubuntu 10.04 64-bit LTS. On Ubuntu I am using POP3 Gmail and on first one I use IMAP. The fact that you've found it happens on another OS surprises me not at all, as it has already been observed on Windows, Mac and Linux I had thought it may have been related to the amount of memory allocated to Cache, but I don't think Thunderbird uses much Cache, and, if your still having problems with Thunderbird, then that shoots that theory down!! It seems to me that some core component (regarding e-mail part of Seamonkey and Thunderbird) was changed relatively recently and is doing something with hard disk on all platforms, accessing profile data, that chokes rest of the application and freezes it until it finish what it was doing with the disk. Chokes were smaller but noticeable before, but now they are killing whole applications. Since Thunderbird and Seamonkey share code, it is Mozilla problem with both. Sounds to mi like something is going on that was triggered with some relatively recent changes. Again, if anyone have idea how to report a bug about this that is good and informative to developers, feel free to say what information could be provided. I also observed that disk lockups on Seamonkey and Thunderbird happen periodically and that also hangup like that with large disk access is Always triggered in the moment when going from offline to online network state in SM/TB. There is DTrace on Solaris/OpenIndiana that could provide informative in auditing Thunderbird , just Seamonkey is not ported to Solarises yet but will be one day if I get time. I use Seamonkey on Linux, anyway and on Linux it is 64-bit SM version and on Openindiana/Illumos is 32-bit TB, both x86. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mozilla disk hog/locks are killing my productivity
Daniel wrote: nikolam wrote: It also happens on another machine that runs SunOS instead of Linux - Illumos/OpenIndiana 151a2 , while using Thunderbird 10.x as well as with Seamonkey on Linux Xubuntu 10.04 64-bit LTS. On Ubuntu I am using POP3 Gmail and on first one I use IMAP. The fact that you've found it happens on another OS surprises me not at all, as it has already been observed on Windows, Mac and Linux I had thought it may have been related to the amount of memory allocated to Cache, but I don't think Thunderbird uses much Cache, and, if your still having problems with Thunderbird, then that shoots that theory down!! It seems to me that some core component (regarding e-mail part of Seamonkey and Thunderbird) was changed relatively recently and is doing something with hard disk on all platforms, accessing profile data, that chokes rest of the application and freezes it until it finish what it was doing with the disk. Chokes were smaller but noticable before, but now they are killing whole applications. Since Thunderbird and Seamonkey share code, it is Mozilla problem with both. Sounds to mi like something is going on that was triggered with some relatively recent changes. Again, if anyone have idea how to report a bug about this that is good and informative to developers, feel free to say what information could be provided. I also observed that disk lockups on Seamonkey and Thunderbird happen periodically and that also hangup like that with large disk access is Always triggered in the moment when going from offline to online network state in SM/TB. There is DTrace on Solaris/OpenIndiana that could provide informative in auditing Thunderbird , just Seamonkey is not ported to Solarises yet but will be one day if I get time. I use Seamonkey on Linux, anyway and on Linux it is 64-bit SM version and on Openindiana/Illumos is 32-bit TB, both x86. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bookmarks pull-down
robertb...@localnet.com wrote in message news:mailman.12144.1330631412.31724.support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org... Thanks for showing how to get rid of the extra separators; that helps some. So you are saying there is no way to get rid of the subscribe or the personal entries. They are extra garbage as far as i am concerned. It is bad enough to have the File Bookmark (why have it - useless), the Bookmark This Group of Tabs (for some, the OPTION may be useful but allow it to be hidden from this menu), and the Manage Bookmarks (ditto, may be useful but allow it to be hidden from this menu). I want absolute minimum, not (to slightly exaggerate) bloat. I'm curious. Do you have many bookmarks? I never use Bookmarks in SM from drop down. I have a lot and no way I can access them from drop down. With Fx, I have an extension, Multicolumn Bookmarks, that makes bookmarks from drop down just like the vastly superior bookmarks in Opera. But that extension doesn't work on SM so I always click on Manage Bookmarks if I need a bookmark (or I just rely on the address bar to show me the bookmark in drop down menu after I type the first few letters). The extremely poor bookmarks in SM is barrier to my using it as my default browser. I wouldn't be using Fx as my default browser without Multicolumn Bookmarks. I have 8 columns of bookmarks on Fx and the same on SM except on SM it is one extremely long Unmanageable column. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bookmarks pull-down
Desiree wrote: I'm curious. Do you have many bookmarks? I never use Bookmarks in SM from drop down. I have a lot and no way I can access them from drop down. With Fx, I have an extension, Multicolumn Bookmarks, that makes bookmarks from drop down just like the vastly superior bookmarks in Opera. But that extension doesn't work on SM so I always click on Manage Bookmarks if I need a bookmark (or I just rely on the address bar to show me the bookmark in drop down menu after I type the first few letters). The extremely poor bookmarks in SM is barrier to my using it as my default browser. I wouldn't be using Fx as my default browser without Multicolumn Bookmarks. I have 8 columns of bookmarks on Fx and the same on SM except on SM it is one extremely long Unmanageable column. The reason it's one long unmanageable column is that you haven't organized it into folders. You can't just throw everything into Bookmarks and expect to make sense of it. Whenever you save a bookmark, you have to classify it or you'll never find it. So for example, I have: Search Engines Glossaries Politics Website and Ecommerce [stuff relating to my website] Business [stuff relating to my business except the above] Companies [stuff relating to other companies] Computing Personal and several others. When I mouse over any of these entries in the browser, they expand to show the subentries, which I can choose just like I do with the Windows Start menu. I will grant you, though, that it's not as convenient to classify bookmarks on the fly as it could be, and creating new folders could be easier. For example, I'd love to have a context-menu option where I could select several bookmarks and say Put in new folder named... -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: support-seamonkey Digest, Vol 75, Issue 1
On 3/1/12, support-seamonkey-requ...@lists.mozilla.org support-seamonkey-requ...@lists.mozilla.org wrote: Send support-seamonkey mailing list submissions to support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to support-seamonkey-requ...@lists.mozilla.org You can reach the person managing the list at support-seamonkey-ow...@lists.mozilla.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of support-seamonkey digest... Today's Topics: 1. email filter for display (Rick Merrill) 2. Re: Mozilla disk hog/locks are killing my productivity (nikolam) 3. Re: email filter for display (Beauregard T. Shagnasty) 4. keyfixer for SeaMonkey? (Dushan Mitrovich) 5. threads ignored in one newsgroup (Dushan Mitrovich) 6. Re: threads ignored in one newsgroup (Beauregard T. Shagnasty) 7. Re: make PART of this page a sidebar (ClementsShelia31) 8. Bookmarks pull-down (robertb...@localnet.com) 9. Re: Recommendations for high-memory usage (Daniel) 10. Re: Mozilla disk hog/locks are killing my productivity (Daniel) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:46:29 -0500 From: Rick Merrill rick0.merr...@gmail.nospam.com To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: email filter for display Message-ID: w5odnvt9atm3e9psnz2dnuvz_uedn...@mozilla.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Certain emails I want to receive in Fixed size font. Is there a filter for that or how can I automatically designate certain emails to be display in fixed point? -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 21:48:08 +0100 From: nikolam dukromu...@euremnet.rs To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Mozilla disk hog/locks are killing my productivity Message-ID: dnwdnwy4ybutetpsnz2dnuvz_rodn...@mozilla.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Daniel wrote: I am not sure what is actually going on, but since last few updates of Seamonkey, I have a problem with periodically Seamonkey being unresponsive with large disk access for about up to an minute or more. During that time everything is frozen in Seamonkey and during that time, there is large disk usage from Seamonkey and I need to wait for SM to stop molesting HDD and actually do something I am doing (writing, viewing pages, etc). Ant, you must have been reading my mind...well sort of!! If nikolam has his cache set to a large value, and SM actually reaches this value, does SM wipe the entire cache or just a certain amount (5%, 10%, whatever)??? I wonder!! It also happens on another machine that runs SunOS instead of Linux - Illumos/OpenIndiana 151a2 , while using Thunderbird 10.x as well as with Seamonkey on Linux Xubuntu 10.04 64-bit LTS. On Ubuntu I am using POP3 Gmail and on first one I use IMAP. So on 2 separate machine on 2 different OS'es 2 different Mozilla applications become unresponsive during disk operations. That is what I will call Mozilla problem in general and not some local OS disk/cache problem. (Also while Seamonkey is drilling disk, other apps are not at the same time and run happily) Maybe it is due to the size of mailbox profile in general, etc or something (definitely not disk fragmentation, since I backed up, deleted and get back whole seamonkey profile few days ago with plenty free disk space). I am heavy user of Seamonkey, with dozen mail addresses, and more then 50 browser tabs opened on average , etc, but problem with whole Seamonkey locking on disk access started appearing from 2 or 3 recent updates ago . It is just more apparent in Seamonkey since I am using browser part and my whole world stops when it locks for a minute and more. Instructions on how to report good bug report, (rest of machine is working fine) about this excessive disk usage and locking, is very welcomed. -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:53:28 -0600 From: Beauregard T. Shagnasty a.nony.mous@example.invalid To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: email filter for display Message-ID: utidne15yzbfa9psnz2dnuvz_radn...@mozilla.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Rick Merrill wrote: Certain emails I want to receive in Fixed size font. Is there a filter for that or how can I automatically designate certain emails to be display in fixed point? If you are reading mail in HTML format, you could change the mail to Plain Text, and you would see the font and size you've selected in the program's settings. From the menu: View Message Body As Plain Text I don't think there is any way to do this automatically to a certain set of mail, i.e. from one or a few people. --
Re: Mozilla disk hog/locks are killing my productivity
nikolam wrote: ... I also observed that disk lockups on Seamonkey and Thunderbird happen periodically and that also hangup like that with large disk access is Always triggered in the moment when going from offline to online network state in SM/TB. Do you have SM installed under Win 7 ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mozilla disk hog/locks are killing my productivity
Rick Merrill wrote: Do you have SM installed under Win 7 ? I do, and I have to kill it approximately once per day. This is a clean install, on a virgin Windows 7, with an absolute minimum of add-ons and extensions and no themes. What locks it is that ** Find as you type, which I abhor. Could we /please/ have an option not to start the search until the user has confirmed that the search string is as he/she intended by hitting return ? I already have my own version of Google, to inhibit this insane behaviour, which is now becoming ubiquitous : Windows 7, Google, Seamonkey -- what next ? Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mozilla disk hog/locks are killing my productivity
nikolam schrieb: I also observed that disk lockups on Seamonkey and Thunderbird happen periodically and that also hangup like that with large disk access is Always triggered in the moment when going from offline to online network state in SM/TB. First: I've noticed no such troublesome behavior on Mac OS X with SM, but my structures in messenger are rather small (3 email accounts, 2 of which are tiny; local folder archive; couple of feeds; 2 newsgroups). Second: Without being a SM/TB developer, just guestimating from things I've seen on systems in general: At going online and periodically sounds very much after running refresh cycles (i.e. polling all feeds, mails accounts, etc. pp.). Generally speaking: Often such things work pretty well on small systems even when not done in a smart way, and can get bogged down on large a installation. If you can nail down periodically to the poll intervals you've set for the different account types, then the trouble shooting likely can only happen with insights into the code. Do you have new messages after the slow down finishes? If you have this proof of correlation between poll cycles and slow down, then the best you can do is: - describe the dependency, and - describe your system as accurately as you can: #accounts, #folders, #number messages, #size of folders, ... - and finally note any specialties about your system. Especially if (disk) IO could be impacted. (E.g. if user home directory is local file system or network filesystem; maybe even filesystem type; RAID; etc. pp.) Without knowing the code, it's hard to tell, where the time/IO is used up. Sometimes you find easy things, which were just not coded to scale and can be changed in the code itself. Sometimes you don't (when you already have efficient code). Then something as easy as de-coupling the poll cycles of all the accounts may already help. Example: I've noticed during 2011, that SM upon restart + session restore (windows + tabs of browser component) first sets up all tabs from memory and then iterates through the tabs with actually refreshing them. Beforehand it refreshed them all at once, which might make it unresponsive upon first startup. So you could have a scheduler for refresh per account / folder, which might seem overkill for systems with only a few of these (where a single/synchronous counter for all works perfectly well and is very efficient). Just my 5 cents, that might be worlds off the real problem. ;-) Best regards Philipp ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Copying SM 2.0.14 XP laptop to new Win 7 laptop
What is the easiest way to copy SM XP to a new laptop with Win 7? Can I copy 2.0.14 and all the profile stuff directly or would it be better to up grade the 2.0.14 to 2.? before trying to copying it to the Win 7 laptop? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: support-seamonkey Digest, Vol 75, Issue 1
Jefferson Writter wrote: On 3/1/12, support-seamonkey-requ...@lists.mozilla.org support-seamonkey-requ...@lists.mozilla.org wrote: Send support-seamonkey mailing list submissions to support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org snip End of support-seamonkey Digest, Vol 75, Issue 1 Dear Jefferson, This should be in your Inbox not in de newsgroup sincerely ps. you can try to cancel the message -- Gertjan DYSLEXICS OF THE WORLD, UNTIE! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Copying SM 2.0.14 XP laptop to new Win 7 laptop
On 12-03-02 1:51 PM, _Arnie Goetchius_ spoke thusly: What is the easiest way to copy SM XP to a new laptop with Win 7? Can I copy 2.0.14 and all the profile stuff directly or would it be better to up grade the 2.0.14 to 2.? before trying to copying it to the Win 7 laptop? Better to update then copy. For instructions, visit http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/profilefaq/#transferring. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: threads ignored in one newsgroup
David E. Ross wrote: On 2/29/12 5:17 PM, Dushan Mitrovich wrote: Also re-posted... In most of the newsgroups I read the threads work as expected, with those posts that have the same Subject line grouped under the same thread. So Expand and Collapse also work as expected. But in one n.g., for Mathematica, quite often posts with the same Subject line are given different threads, largely defeating the Collapse action. This may be because all the posts go first to a moderator who passes them on, so modifying the headers. Is there a way to group n.g. posts into threads based solely on the content of the Subject line? Thanks. - Dushan You are describing broken threads. This often occurs when someone posts a reply in a thread via Google Groups or through a mailing list. This is not a bug in SeaMonkey (or Thunderbird). It's a bug in whatever method was used in the reply. The same thing happens in SM mail with the messages from two of my friends who use AOL mail. I don't know what it is about their mail, but it will not thread with other messages that have the same subject. I've tried... but I just can't get them to give up AOL. ;) bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mozilla disk hog/locks are killing my productivity
Philip TAYLOR wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Do you have SM installed under Win 7 ? I do, and I have to kill it approximately once per day. This is a clean install, on a virgin Windows 7, with an absolute minimum of add-ons and extensions and no themes. What locks it is that ** Find as you type, which I abhor. Could we /please/ have an option not to start the search until the user has confirmed that the search string is as he/she intended by hitting return ? I already have my own version of Google, to inhibit this insane behaviour, which is now becoming ubiquitous : Windows 7, Google, Seamonkey -- what next ? Philip Taylor Under win 7 I have heard of issues that depend upon whether there are more than a single user and the s/w is installed for only one user. The issue is whether the installation is under the user application data or under program files. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mozilla disk hog/locks are killing my productivity
Rick Merrill wrote: Under win 7 I have heard of issues that depend upon whether there are more than a single user and the s/w is installed for only one user. The issue is whether the installation is under the user application data or under program files. Installed here under : C:\Layered products\Mozilla\SeaMonkey Should have been under E:\Layered products\Mozilla\SeaMonkey (E = Executable images) but E: drive did not exist at time of installation. Cache under : D:\Users\***\AppData\Local\Mozilla\Seamonkey\Profiles\.default (D = Data files) Local folders under : D:\Users\***\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Seamonkey\Profiles\.default\Mail\Local IMAP mail under : D:\Users\***\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Seamonkey\Profiles\.default\ImapMail where *** and are consistent (i.e., invariant). Do you have any idea what it might be in Win 7 that lies at the root of this ? Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey LJ
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SkyrimNexus Page Not Rendering Properly
The Recent Files page on SkyrimNexus does not render properly in SeaMonkey. The files list on that page should have a black background, which does appear in IE or by using IETab to change the rendering engine in SeaMonkey. This is the link to the problem page: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/recent.php The New Files Today page renders with the correct black background: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/today.php Is this a SeaMonkey problem or an issue with the coding on the page? -- C. Bankston ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SkyrimNexus Page Not Rendering Properly
Cecil Bankston wrote: The Recent Files page on SkyrimNexus does not render properly in SeaMonkey. The files list on that page should have a black background, which does appear in IE or by using IETab to change the rendering engine in SeaMonkey. This is the link to the problem page: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/recent.php The New Files Today page renders with the correct black background: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/today.php Is this a SeaMonkey problem or an issue with the coding on the page? The sites look the same for me with both Seamonkey 2.7.2 and IE 8.0.6. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bookmarks pull-down
My bookmark pulldown has looked about the same since NetScrape4.04; it has grown to mostly a list of folders that one sees, and some of those folders have folders in them. There are over a hundred references in the total list; the folders help group them by subject. Example: .. .. Electronic stuff | +--Companies | | | +--Advanced Linear Devices | +--Aerovox | .. | +--Mouser | .. | +--Vishay | .. | +--Kits (shorter folder) +--References(long folder) .. Etc, etc etc (ref Yul Brynner, King and I) Quoting Desiree melel...@medscape.com: robertb...@localnet.com wrote in message news:mailman.12144.1330631412.31724.support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org... Thanks for showing how to get rid of the extra separators; that helps some. So you are saying there is no way to get rid of the subscribe or the personal entries. They are extra garbage as far as i am concerned. It is bad enough to have the File Bookmark (why have it - useless), the Bookmark This Group of Tabs (for some, the OPTION may be useful but allow it to be hidden from this menu), and the Manage Bookmarks (ditto, may be useful but allow it to be hidden from this menu). I want absolute minimum, not (to slightly exaggerate) bloat. I'm curious. Do you have many bookmarks? I never use Bookmarks in SM from drop down. I have a lot and no way I can access them from drop down. With Fx, I have an extension, Multicolumn Bookmarks, that makes bookmarks from drop down just like the vastly superior bookmarks in Opera. But that extension doesn't work on SM so I always click on Manage Bookmarks if I need a bookmark (or I just rely on the address bar to show me the bookmark in drop down menu after I type the first few letters). The extremely poor bookmarks in SM is barrier to my using it as my default browser. I wouldn't be using Fx as my default browser without Multicolumn Bookmarks. I have 8 columns of bookmarks on Fx and the same on SM except on SM it is one extremely long Unmanageable column. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
