Re: Message Appearance
JohnW-Mpls wrote: This last update to 2.8 - the mail program changes the original message font when I call to forward the message. The message looks faint (the opposite of bolding). The comments I add are my regular chosen font. I don't like it. I hope it was it a mistake that will be fixed. John, when you forward a message, are you adding the original message *AFTER* you've added your message and your sig file?? If you have a look at my name, below the sig de-limiter, you will notice that it is in a lighter font than this message. If I had top-posted my reply, your original post (because it would have been added after the sig de-limiter) would have been in lighter font. Just the way the system works!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Message Appearance
Daniel wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: This last update to 2.8 - the mail program changes the original message font when I call to forward the message. The message looks faint (the opposite of bolding). The comments I add are my regular chosen font. I don't like it. I hope it was it a mistake that will be fixed. John, when you forward a message, are you adding the original message *AFTER* you've added your message and your sig file?? If you have a look at my name, below the sig de-limiter, you will notice that it is in a lighter font than this message. If I had top-posted my reply, your original post (because it would have been added after the sig de-limiter) would have been in lighter font. Just the way the system works!! What drives me crazy is how the size of my text will change mid-sentence, in almost every message I compose in mail... repeatedly. bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Only check for new mail after opening Mail Newsgroups
I have this box checked in Edit | Preferences | Mail Newsgroups. Yet it doesn't stop Seamonkey from downloading my email when only the browser window is open -- or even when no window is open but a SM process is stuck running in the background. This is a problem to me because I sometimes must leave a browser window open, but I want my email left on the server until I'm back in my office. Is there a workaround that might solve this? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Message Appearance
On 4/18/12 10:24 AM, JohnW-Mpls wrote: This last update to 2.8 - the mail program changes the original message font when I call to forward the message. The message looks faint (the opposite of bolding). The comments I add are my regular chosen font. I don't like it. I hope it was it a mistake that will be fixed. This is NOT new. Displaying messages with the signature lines in gray has been a feature for a very long time. This is done to warn you that, when you reply, the signature lines will be automatically stripped away. Look at bug #58406 (now implemented) comment #34 at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58406#c34, where this was mentioned eight years ago. At least now, with bug #58406 finally implemented, this is optional for E-mail messages. However, RFC 3676 requires this for newsgroup messages. If Mozilla is to maintain its claim to be compliant with standards and conventions, you can rid newsgroup messages of this feature by submitting a new RFC to eliminate that requirement. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Only check for new mail after opening Mail Newsgroups
BIll Spikowski wrote: I have this box checked in Edit | Preferences | Mail Newsgroups. Yet it doesn't stop Seamonkey from downloading my email when only the browser window is open -- or even when no window is open but a SM process is stuck running in the background. This is a problem to me because I sometimes must leave a browser window open, but I want my email left on the server until I'm back in my office. Is there a workaround that might solve this? In my experience, once SM starts checking mail automatically during a session, it will continue doing so no matter what you do to the prefs. So if you really want it to stop checking, you have to terminate SM after setting the new preference, which takes effect in the next session. It would be ideal if the devs would add a notation (takes effect after SeaMonkey restarts) or something to that effect. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Message Appearance
JohnW-Mpls john...@comcast.net wrote in message news:05uto7d5dc6uc149o7odhgru39jcbjk...@4ax.com... This last update to 2.8 - the mail program changes the original message font when I call to forward the message. The message looks faint (the opposite of bolding). The comments I add are my regular chosen font. I don't like it. I hope it was it a mistake that will be fixed. -- JohnW-Mpls SM mail forwards a message as ATTACHMENT (at least mine does. But I rarely forward so I don't know if it has always done this or not). You don't see the message so I don't understand your complaint. but I don't have the latest SM. I have 2.6 because of an extension that won't work beyond it. So, this started with 2.8? Another reason then to keep 2.6. OE doesn't change the font, font size, or color if you forward a message and it places the forwarded message at the bottom. I continue to use OE primarily because it is the only email program that has good sense and doesn't do silly things like you have mentioned. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Message Appearance
On 4/19/12 3:52 PM, Desiree wrote: JohnW-Mpls john...@comcast.net wrote in message news:05uto7d5dc6uc149o7odhgru39jcbjk...@4ax.com... This last update to 2.8 - the mail program changes the original message font when I call to forward the message. The message looks faint (the opposite of bolding). The comments I add are my regular chosen font. I don't like it. I hope it was it a mistake that will be fixed. -- JohnW-Mpls SM mail forwards a message as ATTACHMENT (at least mine does. But I rarely forward so I don't know if it has always done this or not). You don't see the message so I don't understand your complaint. but I don't have the latest SM. I have 2.6 because of an extension that won't work beyond it. So, this started with 2.8? Another reason then to keep 2.6. OE doesn't change the font, font size, or color if you forward a message and it places the forwarded message at the bottom. I continue to use OE primarily because it is the only email program that has good sense and doesn't do silly things like you have mentioned. But OE (which you are using) is NOT compliant with the various RFCs that specify Internet standards and conventions, including RFC 3676. If it were compliant, John's signature would have been pruned from your quote of his original message. In any case, Thunderbird has the option to quote the forwarded message within the body of your message. On the menu bar, select [Tools Options]. On the Options window, select the Composition icon. On the Composition pane, select the General tab. On the first line of the General tab, select Inline in the pull-down list. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Message Appearance
David E. Ross nobody@nowhere.invalid wrote in message news:4zidna8rd48qpa3snz2dnuvz_osdn...@mozilla.org... On 4/19/12 3:52 PM, Desiree wrote: JohnW-Mpls john...@comcast.net wrote in message news:05uto7d5dc6uc149o7odhgru39jcbjk...@4ax.com... This last update to 2.8 - the mail program changes the original message font when I call to forward the message. The message looks faint (the opposite of bolding). The comments I add are my regular chosen font. I don't like it. I hope it was it a mistake that will be fixed. -- JohnW-Mpls SM mail forwards a message as ATTACHMENT (at least mine does. But I rarely forward so I don't know if it has always done this or not). You don't see the message so I don't understand your complaint. but I don't have the latest SM. I have 2.6 because of an extension that won't work beyond it. So, this started with 2.8? Another reason then to keep 2.6. OE doesn't change the font, font size, or color if you forward a message and it places the forwarded message at the bottom. I continue to use OE primarily because it is the only email program that has good sense and doesn't do silly things like you have mentioned. But OE (which you are using) is NOT compliant with the various RFCs that specify Internet standards and conventions, including RFC 3676. If it were compliant, John's signature would have been pruned from your quote of his original message. So, if I was using SM or Thunderbird mail client this would have been removed: JohnW-Mpls I can manually remove signatures if that bothers this group. I mostly post in GRC.com NGs and the server will not accept long quotes in replies. So, there you either crop a great deal out or you get around it like I am doing now by using interleaved reply. In any case, Thunderbird has the option to quote the forwarded message within the body of your message. On the menu bar, select [Tools Options]. On the Options window, select the Composition icon. On the Composition pane, select the General tab. On the first line of the General tab, select Inline in the pull-down list. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Message Appearance
Desiree wrote: David E. Rossnobody@nowhere.invalid wrote in message news:4zidna8rd48qpa3snz2dnuvz_osdn...@mozilla.org... On 4/19/12 3:52 PM, Desiree wrote: JohnW-Mplsjohn...@comcast.net wrote in message news:05uto7d5dc6uc149o7odhgru39jcbjk...@4ax.com... This last update to 2.8 - the mail program changes the original message font when I call to forward the message. The message looks faint (the opposite of bolding). The comments I add are my regular chosen font. I don't like it. I hope it was it a mistake that will be fixed. -- JohnW-Mpls SM mail forwards a message as ATTACHMENT (at least mine does. But I rarely forward so I don't know if it has always done this or not). You don't see the message so I don't understand your complaint. but I don't have the latest SM. I have 2.6 because of an extension that won't work beyond it. So, this started with 2.8? Another reason then to keep 2.6. OE doesn't change the font, font size, or color if you forward a message and it places the forwarded message at the bottom. I continue to use OE primarily because it is the only email program that has good sense and doesn't do silly things like you have mentioned. But OE (which you are using) is NOT compliant with the various RFCs that specify Internet standards and conventions, including RFC 3676. If it were compliant, John's signature would have been pruned from your quote of his original message. So, if I was using SM or Thunderbird mail client this would have been removed: JohnW-Mpls I can manually remove signatures if that bothers this group. I mostly post in GRC.com NGs and the server will not accept long quotes in replies. So, there you either crop a great deal out or you get around it like I am doing now by using interleaved reply. In any case, Thunderbird has the option to quote the forwarded message within the body of your message. On the menu bar, select [Tools Options]. On the Options window, select the Composition icon. On the Composition pane, select the General tab. On the first line of the General tab, select Inline in the pull-down list. In newsgroup messages proper signature lines will automatically be stripped. What is a proper sig line? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_block So ... JohnW-Mpls will not be stripped. Unless it is preceded by: -- That is, dash, dash, space, carriage return. As in: -- JohnW-Mpls Try left dragging your mouse to highlight the text and you'll see the space after the double dash. My sig below is like that. dash dash space return Ed Mullen ... -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Message Appearance
Desiree wrote: SM mail forwards a message as ATTACHMENT (at least mine does. But I rarely forward so I don't know if it has always done this or not). You don't see the message so I don't understand your complaint. but I don't have the latest SM. I have 2.6 because of an extension that won't work beyond it. So, this started with 2.8? Another reason then to keep 2.6. SM can forward as attachment if you so desire, or it can forward inline if you so desire (Message | Forward As...). If you just hit CTRL-L, it'll forward as attachment. If you prefer to click the button instead of using the menu, you can click the main part of the Forward button and it'll forward as attachment, or you can click the down arrow on the right side of the button and choose between inline and attachment. And if you hold down the SHIFT key while clicking any of the button parts, the new message will be in HTML instead of plain text. All the choices are available, if you know where to find them. Could it be that John is receiving a plain-text message and forwarding as HTML, or vice-versa? That would change the font for sure... -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
