Re: Email Outgoing Reply-to Addresses
On 11/3/2012 2:13 PM philmat11 submitted the following: I just changed ISP - from HughesNet to WildBlue/ViaSat. During the transition SM was updated to 2.13. I use four accounts, the primary account, and three auxiliary accounts for various functions. Prior to these changes, when an auxiliary account was used, the reply to address in the header would be that of the auxiliary account, now the reply to address is always that of the primary account. When I check the sent folder, the header lists the account address that I used to create the email, but the person receiving the email gets the primary account address and all replies tumble back into my primary account causing a mess. As before, the primary account SMTP server is listed as default, but prior to the changes, the addresses for the auxiliary accounts would stay in place. One difference between ISP settings; before the outgoing server was port 25 - non-secure, now using port 465 - SSL/TLS. I'm told by the WildBlue tech-troll that the problem is with my email client even though it's a new problem and WildBlue has been the only change, with the exception of the SM update to 2.13. Whether it's WildBlue or SM, I'd really like to get the reply to addresses to reflect the account I use. Any cures available? I assume you have one account with your ISP and want to use additional e-mail addresses (alias). Go to Edit/Mail Newsgroups Account Settings/ Select your account. Enter your reply to address in the space provided. Look down and click on Manage Identies Click on Add - add your alias with it's reply to address. Do this for all your aliases. -- Ed, W3BNR http://JonesFarm.us/W3BNR Powered by SeaMonkey: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ Beware of people who dislike cats. - Irish proverb ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Outgoing Reply-to Addresses
On 11/5/2012 7:02 AM W3BNR submitted the following: On 11/3/2012 2:13 PM philmat11 submitted the following: I just changed ISP - from HughesNet to WildBlue/ViaSat. During the transition SM was updated to 2.13. I use four accounts, the primary account, and three auxiliary accounts for various functions. Prior to these changes, when an auxiliary account was used, the reply to address in the header would be that of the auxiliary account, now the reply to address is always that of the primary account. When I check the sent folder, the header lists the account address that I used to create the email, but the person receiving the email gets the primary account address and all replies tumble back into my primary account causing a mess. As before, the primary account SMTP server is listed as default, but prior to the changes, the addresses for the auxiliary accounts would stay in place. One difference between ISP settings; before the outgoing server was port 25 - non-secure, now using port 465 - SSL/TLS. I'm told by the WildBlue tech-troll that the problem is with my email client even though it's a new problem and WildBlue has been the only change, with the exception of the SM update to 2.13. Whether it's WildBlue or SM, I'd really like to get the reply to addresses to reflect the account I use. Any cures available? I assume you have one account with your ISP and want to use additional e-mail addresses (alias). Go to Edit/Mail Newsgroups Account Settings/ Select your account. Enter your reply to address in the space provided. Look down and click on Manage Identies Click on Add - add your alias with it's reply to address. Do this for all your aliases. Additionaly - in case I misunderstood - If they are actually all different accounts, you will have to set up individual SMTP settings, and not use the default setting for them. -- Ed, W3BNR http://JonesFarm.us/W3BNR Powered by SeaMonkey: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ Political campaigns are designedly made into emotional orgies which endeavor to distract attention from the real issues involved, and they actually paralyze what slight powers of cerebration man can normally muster. -James Harvey Robinson, The Human Comedy, 1937 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
mail view
how can I change and save the column width in vertical view. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Outgoing Reply-to Addresses
W3BNR wrote: Additionaly - in case I misunderstood - If they are actually all different accounts, you will have to set up individual SMTP settings, and not use the default setting for them. If you mean the different accounts are from different ISPs or domains, then you would be correct. I only use one separate SMTP setting for each domain (my personal domain name [5 addresses], my cable internet email service [3], a club's email/ domain that I maintain [5], several webmaster accounts with their own domain names [several]). If philmat11 is using only (multiple) addresses from his ISP, only one SMTP is necessary. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Outgoing Reply-to Addresses
On 11/5/2012 7:30 AM Beauregard T. Shagnasty submitted the following: W3BNR wrote: Additionaly - in case I misunderstood - If they are actually all different accounts, you will have to set up individual SMTP settings, and not use the default setting for them. If you mean the different accounts are from different ISPs or domains, then you would be correct. I only use one separate SMTP setting for each domain (my personal domain name [5 addresses], my cable internet email service [3], a club's email/ domain that I maintain [5], several webmaster accounts with their own domain names [several]). If philmat11 is using only (multiple) addresses from his ISP, only one SMTP is necessary. I only have one account at my ISP (Verizon) but I have aliases (sub-accounts) registered at the ISP. I need a different SMTP for each of those aliases. ie 1...@verizon.net, 2...@verizon.net, 3...@verizon.net I have a number of aliases that are not registered with the ISP for those I use my default SMTP. ie 1...@1and1.com, 1...@mail.com, 1...@yahoo.com -- Ed, W3BNR http://JonesFarm.us Powered by SeaMonkey: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Outgoing Reply-to Addresses
W3BNR wrote: Additionally - in case I misunderstood - If they are actually all different accounts, you will have to set up individual SMTP settings, and not use the default setting for them. Not necessarily. He can use his ISP's SMTP server for all his accounts. In many cases, depending on his ISP's policy, he can also choose to use separate SMTP servers for the various accounts. Some ISPs require you to use only their SMTP server when connected to their service, most don't care. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: mail view
Simon wrote: how can I change and save the column width in vertical view. Move your cursor over the separator bar until it changes to an arrow, then right click and move it where you want it. I can't see the area where you're supposed to click, but you may be able to. ;) Hope I understood your question. bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: mail view
chicagofan gebruikte zijn klavier om te schrijven : Simon wrote: how can I change and save the column width in vertical view. Move your cursor over the separator bar until it changes to an arrow, then right click and move it where you want it. I can't see the area where you're supposed to click, but you may be able to. ;) Hope I understood your question. bj I can drag the windows but possition is not saved. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: mail view
Simon wrote: chicagofan gebruikte zijn klavier om te schrijven : Simon wrote: how can I change and save the column width in vertical view. Move your cursor over the separator bar until it changes to an arrow, then right click and move it where you want it. I can't see the area where you're supposed to click, but you may be able to. ;) Hope I understood your question. bj I can drag the windows but possition is not saved. Simon, The view should not matter, they all work the same way. Try this and see if it works for you. In the column header, where is shows: Subject, Trash (icon), From, Recipient, etc; look for the thin vertical lines dividing the column names. These lines are handles where you can grab them with the mouse and drag each one horizontally. Try mousing over the vertical line at the end of the Subject column. When the mouse pointer changes to a double sided arrow you can press the left button and drag the line to the right making the column wider. Release the mouse when you have the desired width. Close down SM completely. Re open SM mail and see if the column with is fixed where you left it. Sometime making interface modifications do not take effect until after closing and opening of the application. Michael G -- Armadillo Web Development www.armadilloweb.com Cell: 903.244.3644 Opening your Door to Opportunity and inviting the world to walk through. Character is doing the right thing... Even when no one is watching... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
PDF files
I use Windows Vista and SeaMonkey 2.13.2 with Adobe, which SeaMonkey apparently thinks is activated. But when I go to a site (I've tried multiple sites) that links to a pdf document, I get a blank page. This is a very recent development. Is there a setting I should change to make this work? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: PDF files
Not@home wrote: I use Windows Vista and SeaMonkey 2.13.2 with Adobe, which SeaMonkey apparently thinks is activated. But when I go to a site (I've tried multiple sites) that links to a pdf document, I get a blank page. This is a very recent development. Is there a setting I should change to make this work? I noticed this too on my Macs after I updated to the latest edition of Adobe Reader (versions 10 and/or 11). Seems somehow something is wonky between SM and/or Reader. It can be fixed by going back to an older version of Reader, though. Reader version 9 works. A workaround is to right click on links for .pdf files and select Save Link Target As from the contextual menu. Then you can open the file from your desktop with a double click. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: mail view
Michael Gordon stelde dit idée voor : Simon wrote: chicagofan gebruikte zijn klavier om te schrijven : Simon wrote: how can I change and save the column width in vertical view. Move your cursor over the separator bar until it changes to an arrow, then right click and move it where you want it. I can't see the area where you're supposed to click, but you may be able to. ;) Hope I understood your question. bj I can drag the windows but possition is not saved. Simon, The view should not matter, they all work the same way. Try this and see if it works for you. In the column header, where is shows: Subject, Trash (icon), From, Recipient, etc; look for the thin vertical lines dividing the column names. These lines are handles where you can grab them with the mouse and drag each one horizontally. Try mousing over the vertical line at the end of the Subject column. When the mouse pointer changes to a double sided arrow you can press the left button and drag the line to the right making the column wider. Release the mouse when you have the desired width. Close down SM completely. Re open SM mail and see if the column with is fixed where you left it. Sometime making interface modifications do not take effect until after closing and opening of the application. Michael G Thank's Michael But this does not work. I can't save any pane view in vertical view. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: PDF files
I really needed a pdf document (listed as such, but actually an aspx document), so I dusted off internet explorer and tried to get the document, with the same results. I reasoned that the problem must be within Adobe reader; on their help menu is an option to repair adobe reader. I chose that, and windows worked some magic and the problem is now solved. Thanks for the recommendation; right clicking and saving to the desktop worked for pdf documents, but not aspx documents, but it was a lot more work than the functional seamonkey. Not@home wrote: I use Windows Vista and SeaMonkey 2.13.2 with Adobe, which SeaMonkey apparently thinks is activated. But when I go to a site (I've tried multiple sites) that links to a pdf document, I get a blank page. This is a very recent development. Is there a setting I should change to make this work? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: PDF files
Not@home wrote: I use Windows Vista and SeaMonkey 2.13.2 with Adobe, which SeaMonkey apparently thinks is activated. But when I go to a site (I've tried multiple sites) that links to a pdf document, I get a blank page. This is a very recent development. Is there a setting I should change to make this work? On 11/5/12 4:45 PM, Not@home wrote: I really needed a pdf document (listed as such, but actually an aspx document), so I dusted off internet explorer and tried to get the document, with the same results. I reasoned that the problem must be within Adobe reader; on their help menu is an option to repair adobe reader. I chose that, and windows worked some magic and the problem is now solved. Thanks for the recommendation; right clicking and saving to the desktop worked for pdf documents, but not aspx documents, but it was a lot more work than the functional seamonkey. This can also be a server problem, in which the MIME type for the PDF file is incorrectly specified. Bad MIME types are also why some PDF files cause Adobe Reader to launch and display instead of the files displaying in a browser window. PLEASE bottom post on news.mozilla.org newsgroups. Yes, other newsgroups might prefer top-posting; but the Mozilla newsgroups prefer bottom-posting. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Still not informed of updates
On 11/02/2012 03:32 PM, NoOp wrote: ... When I click: Help|Check for Updates I am informed that there is a securty update - 2.13.2: Update Available A security and stability update for SeaMonkey is available: SeaMonkey 2.13.2 It is strongly recommended that you apply this update for SeaMonkey as soon as possible. You know of course that you'll not get any update info with the 64bit version - you have to monitor the rss feed, this group, or the release schedule. Just to verify, I've now fired up the 64bit version to finish this post: User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121011 Firefox/16.0 SeaMonkey/2.13.1 and checking: Help|Check for Updates shows no update is available. I'll put this back to 32bit 2.13.1 enable 'check daily' and let it sit for awhile to see if there is any result. ... Sorry, I forgot to follow-up. Result of the last is that I also set it to 'automatically download and install'... it did. And I remember why I purposely turned that off :-) Anyway, if you 32bit SeaMonkey 2.13.2 doesn't notifiy you of the next update holler away. Or, you could back yours down to 2.13.1 and see if it is working now. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Still not informed of updates
NoOp wrote: Anyway, if you 32bit SeaMonkey 2.13.2 doesn't notifiy you of the next update holler away. Or, you could back yours down to 2.13.1 and see if it is working now. I'll stick with 2.13.2 and see what happens with the next release. Craig ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Outgoing Reply-to Addresses
BTS, Paul, W3BNR Let me refresh. I switched from Hughes satellite to WildBlue satellite (the only ISP I currently have). With Hughes I had four email accounts, a primary account and three auxiliary accounts (aliases). I have created the same setup with WildBlue (the outgoing server is gmail.com). With Hughes, each account used the Hughes SMTP server with each account's user name attachecd, WildBlue is the same, all accounts use the WildBlue server (gmail.com) with the account's user name attached. With Hughes, the auxiliary accounts (aliases) would default to the primary account for all outgoing mail, but the From user name in the email header would always be the user name of the account that I used to create the email. However, with WildBlue there are changes. When using an auxiliary account (alias), if I look in the Sent folder, the From address is the same as the user name of the account I used to create the email, but the recipient of the email the From address in the header would change to the user name of the primary account. I added the Reply-to addresses to all accounts (which I hadn't done in the past) in the SeaMonkey account settings, and all recipients of my emails have the correct Reply-to address, but the From address is always that of my primary account. This morning I checked with WildBlue's Tech Support (again), but this time the techie informed my there is a button to push that controls this. He tried to lead me through the WildBlue screens to get there but my screens evidently didn't match his screens (I'm on a Mac and this time I used Safari to get there [I really dislike Safari], but if I mention Seamonkey they freak and won't talk to me), so he made the change for me. I still can't find the path to that stupid button, even using SM. Nonetheless, he made the change for me and I sent him a test email - sure enough he declared everything worked fine. Trying to replicate the success at my end by sending emails between the various accounts gives me the impressions things really don't work fine - I still get my primary user name for the From name on emails from all the auxiliary accounts, even when the Reply-to address is correct. This is the case when I use Mac Mail and also going through the WildBlue website to ch eck mail. The only saving grace is the From address isn't that apparent when you use Mac mail or go through the WildBlue website. Here are two headers from the same email; one from the Sent folder of the originating account and the other is from the Inbox of the auxiliary account that received the message. The Sent Folder: Subject: 121105 Universal Reply-to Check From: Bart M mda.ba...@wildblue.net Reply-To: mda.ba...@wildblue.net Date: 11/5/12 11:13 AM To: Bart general bartm...@wildblue.net, Bart mstr bar...@wildblue.net The Inbox from receiving account: Subject: 121105 Universal Reply-to Check From: Bart M bar...@wildblue.net Reply-To: mda.ba...@wildblue.net Date: 11/5/12 11:13 AM To: Bart general bartm...@wildblue.net, Bart mstr bar...@wildblue.net Both emails show the correct Reply-to, but only the email from the originating account Sent folder has the correct From address, the email received has the From address reverts to the primary account address. I have also tried changing the outgoing server choice from Default to the server listings with the individual account user names. It is always the same gmail server but has the individual user names added. This failed for all auxiliary accounts and I had to change back to Default Server. The drama continues. Tnx, philmat11 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Outgoing Reply-to Addresses
On 11/5/2012 9:51 PM philmat11 submitted the following: BTS, Paul, W3BNR Let me refresh. I switched from Hughes satellite to WildBlue satellite (the only ISP I currently have). With Hughes I had four email accounts, a primary account and three auxiliary accounts (aliases). I have created the same setup with WildBlue (the outgoing server is gmail.com). With Hughes, each account used the Hughes SMTP server with each account's user name attachecd, WildBlue is the same, all accounts use the WildBlue server (gmail.com) with the account's user name attached. With Hughes, the auxiliary accounts (aliases) would default to the primary account for all outgoing mail, but the From user name in the email header would always be the user name of the account that I used to create the email. However, with WildBlue there are changes. When using an auxiliary account (alias), if I look in the Sent folder, the From address is the same as the user name of the account I used to create the email, but the recipient of the email the From address in the header would change to the user name of the primary account. I added the Reply-to addresses to all accounts (which I hadn't done in the past) in the SeaMonkey account settings, and all recipients of my emails have the correct Reply-to address, but the From address is always that of my primary account. This morning I checked with WildBlue's Tech Support (again), but this time the techie informed my there is a button to push that controls this. He tried to lead me through the WildBlue screens to get there but my screens evidently didn't match his screens (I'm on a Mac and this time I used Safari to get there [I really dislike Safari], but if I mention Seamonkey they freak and won't talk to me), so he made the change for me. I still can't find the path to that stupid button, even using SM. Nonetheless, he made the change for me and I sent him a test email - sure enough he declared everything worked fine. Trying to replicate the success at my end by sending emails between the various accounts gives me the impressions things really don't work fine - I still get my primary user name for the From name on emails from all the auxiliary accounts, even when the Reply-to address is correct. This is the case when I use Mac Mail and also going through the WildBlue website to check m ail. The only saving grace is the From address isn't that apparent when you use Mac mail or go through the WildBlue website. Here are two headers from the same email; one from the Sent folder of the originating account and the other is from the Inbox of the auxiliary account that received the message. The Sent Folder: Subject: 121105 Universal Reply-to Check From: Bart M mda.ba...@wildblue.net Reply-To: mda.ba...@wildblue.net Date: 11/5/12 11:13 AM To: Bart general bartm...@wildblue.net, Bart mstr bar...@wildblue.net The Inbox from receiving account: Subject: 121105 Universal Reply-to Check From: Bart M bar...@wildblue.net Reply-To: mda.ba...@wildblue.net Date: 11/5/12 11:13 AM To: Bart general bartm...@wildblue.net, Bart mstr bar...@wildblue.net Both emails show the correct Reply-to, but only the email from the originating account Sent folder has the correct From address, the email received has the From address reverts to the primary account address. I have also tried changing the outgoing server choice from Default to the server listings with the individual account user names. It is always the same gmail server but has the individual user names added. This failed for all auxiliary accounts and I had to change back to Default Server. The drama continues. Tnx, philmat11 The only explanation I can think of is that you are using the default SMTP for all the aliases and the user name of the SMTP is bar...@wildblue.net You should set up a different SMTP for each address. -- Ed, W3BNR http://JonesFarm.us/W3BNR Powered by SeaMonkey: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ There are plenty of leaders, but WHERE are they leading us? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Outgoing Reply-to Addresses
Dennis wrote: philmat11 wrote: BTS, Paul, W3BNR Let me refresh. I switched from Hughes satellite to WildBlue satellite (the only ISP I currently have). With Hughes I had four email accounts, a primary account and three auxiliary accounts (aliases). I have created the same setup with WildBlue (the outgoing server is gmail.com). With Hughes, each account used the Hughes SMTP server with each account's user name attachecd, WildBlue is the same, all accounts use the WildBlue server (gmail.com) with the account's user name attached. With Hughes, the auxiliary accounts (aliases) would default to the primary account for all outgoing mail, but the From user name in the email header would always be the user name of the account that I used to create the email. However, with WildBlue there are changes. When using an auxiliary account (alias), if I look in the Sent folder, the From address is the same as the user name of the account I used to create the email, but the recipient of the email the From address in the header would change to the u s er name of the primary account. I added the Reply-to addresses to all accounts (which I hadn't done in the past) in the SeaMonkey account settings, and all recipients of my emails have the correct Reply-to address, but the From address is always that of my primary account. This morning I checked with WildBlue's Tech Support (again), but this time the techie informed my there is a button to push that controls this. He tried to lead me through the WildBlue screens to get there but my screens evidently didn't match his screens (I'm on a Mac and this time I used Safari to get there [I really dislike Safari], but if I mention Seamonkey they freak and won't talk to me), so he made the change for me. I still can't find the path to that stupid button, even using SM. Nonetheless, he made the change for me and I sent him a test email - sure enough he declared everything worked fine. Trying to replicate the success at my end by sending emails between the various accounts gives me the impressions things really don't work fine - I still get my primary user name for the From name on emails from all the auxiliary accounts, even when the Reply-to address is correct. This is the case when I use Mac Mail and also going through the WildBlue website to check ma i l. The only saving grace is the From address isn't that apparent when you use Mac mail or go through the WildBlue website. Here are two headers from the same email; one from the Sent folder of the originating account and the other is from the Inbox of the auxiliary account that received the message. The Sent Folder: Subject: 121105 Universal Reply-to Check From: Bart M mda.ba...@wildblue.net Reply-To: mda.ba...@wildblue.net Date: 11/5/12 11:13 AM To: Bart general bartm...@wildblue.net, Bart mstr bar...@wildblue.net The Inbox from receiving account: Subject: 121105 Universal Reply-to Check From: Bart M bar...@wildblue.net Reply-To: mda.ba...@wildblue.net Date: 11/5/12 11:13 AM To: Bart general bartm...@wildblue.net, Bart mstr bar...@wildblue.net Both emails show the correct Reply-to, but only the email from the originating account Sent folder has the correct From address, the email received has the From address reverts to the primary account address. I have also tried changing the outgoing server choice from Default to the server listings with the individual account user names. It is always the same gmail server but has the individual user names added. This failed for all auxiliary accounts and I had to change back to Default Server. The drama continues. Tnx, philmat11 I leave all my 'Reply-To' fields blank. (well, unless something really unusual comes up). Reply-To will not do what you are looking for here. I send with a different 'From' address using Seamonkey's built-in 'Identities' settings. In Linux it is under: Edit | Mail Newsgroup Account Settings | [whichever_account_name] (in the left hand pane) | Manage Identities (in the right hand pane) Add or Edit the Identities(s) associated with each account to give the identity the 'Email Address:' you wish to show in the From: header for that account. Once identities are set up you can (before 'sending') switch identities before, during, or after you start to compose an email. When sent the email address of the 'identity' will be in the From: header. Dennis Dennis, I suggested changing the Sent address whilst composing the e-mail a couple of days agototally removes the need for setting the Reply-To to anything!! Phil hasn't seemed to notice that!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: mail view
Simon wrote: Michael Gordon stelde dit idée voor : Simon wrote: chicagofan gebruikte zijn klavier om te schrijven : Simon wrote: how can I change and save the column width in vertical view. Move your cursor over the separator bar until it changes to an arrow, then right click and move it where you want it. I can't see the area where you're supposed to click, but you may be able to. ;) Hope I understood your question. bj I can drag the windows but possition is not saved. Simon, The view should not matter, they all work the same way. Try this and see if it works for you. In the column header, where is shows: Subject, Trash (icon), From, Recipient, etc; look for the thin vertical lines dividing the column names. These lines are handles where you can grab them with the mouse and drag each one horizontally. Try mousing over the vertical line at the end of the Subject column. When the mouse pointer changes to a double sided arrow you can press the left button and drag the line to the right making the column wider. Release the mouse when you have the desired width. Close down SM completely. Re open SM mail and see if the column with is fixed where you left it. Sometime making interface modifications do not take effect until after closing and opening of the application. Michael G Thank's Michael But this does not work. I can't save any pane view in vertical view. Simon, long shot possibly, but have a look at the file properties of your prefs.js file (right click on it) to see if it is set to Read-Only!! If it is set, unset it!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey