Re: can SM detect device
On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 08:22:03 -0500, Rick Merrill wrote in message news:rrsdnr2idobmyazmnz2dnuvz_uwdn...@mozilla.org: Geoff Welsh wrote: [13 quoted lines suppressed] Ok, (one has to start somewhere) So where is a good CSS group? You can try: http://csscreator.com/forum Usenet groups aren't up to much these days. ;-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Java is Blocked again today
Interviewed by CNN on 02/03/2013 15:51, question told the world: My wife has not used her computer this week.. So this explains why Java works on hers this morning..on pogo Block list has not been updated more in likely. Both computers are identical... But her JAVA is 7u10 Mine is 7u15 I told her not to update her Java . Reading the bugzilla. We are being Blocked Because FACEBOOK got hacked.. Could be FACEBOOK does not have Java Configured Correctly . So Ever other WEBSITE that uses JAVA has to Suffer Because The Almighty FACEBOOK's Security is not Enabled correctly . Let Facebook take care of itself . I think you misunderstood the issue. The problem is not that a few computers belonging to Facebook engineers got hacked; the problem is that this event demonstrates that: a) There is a bug in Java b) Which is ALREADY BEING EXPLOITED by hackers. If this exploit only affected Facebook, there would be no reason for worry. But the thing is, it DOES present a risk for EVERY user. Facebook can take care of itself, but most small users CANNOT. It's to protect those small users that the block has been implemented. So, for the moment, it's considered dangerous to have Java running automatically. Even if the latest exploit has been band-aided, the recent pattern of security problems with Java raises serious doubts about its overall security. Simply stated, Java is no longer worth the trust of Internet users -- until such a time as it can regain that trust, Mozilla opted to place it in the click-to-run category, which needs an explicit OK from the user every time it is invoked by a site. Staying with an older Java release won't help; if anything, it will be worse, since those older releases are bound to be even more emphatically blocked. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Mentat. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.16 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
OT Re: can SM detect device
Iceman wrote: On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 08:22:03 -0500, Rick Merrill wrote in message news:rrsdnr2idobmyazmnz2dnuvz_uwdn...@mozilla.org: Geoff Welsh wrote: [13 quoted lines suppressed] Ok, (one has to start somewhere) So where is a good CSS group? You can try: http://csscreator.com/forum Usenet groups aren't up to much these days. ;-) or even accessible without a fee. I used to peruse many Usenet groupsnow I can only get to Mozilla(notUse)net. Cellphone, cable, internet...I wish I had been an adult in the 1950's instead. GW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Java is Blocked again today
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 02/03/2013 15:51, question told the world: My wife has not used her computer this week.. So this explains why Java works on hers this morning..on pogo Block list has not been updated more in likely. Both computers are identical... But her JAVA is 7u10 Mine is 7u15 I told her not to update her Java . Reading the bugzilla. We are being Blocked Because FACEBOOK got hacked.. Could be FACEBOOK does not have Java Configured Correctly . So Ever other WEBSITE that uses JAVA has to Suffer Because The Almighty FACEBOOK's Security is not Enabled correctly . Let Facebook take care of itself . I think you misunderstood the issue. The problem is not that a few computers belonging to Facebook engineers got hacked; the problem is that this event demonstrates that: a) There is a bug in Java b) Which is ALREADY BEING EXPLOITED by hackers. If this exploit only affected Facebook, there would be no reason for worry. But the thing is, it DOES present a risk for EVERY user. Facebook can take care of itself, but most small users CANNOT. It's to protect those small users that the block has been implemented. So, for the moment, it's considered dangerous to have Java running automatically. Even if the latest exploit has been band-aided, the recent pattern of security problems with Java raises serious doubts about its overall security. Simply stated, Java is no longer worth the trust of Internet users -- until such a time as it can regain that trust, Mozilla opted to place it in the click-to-run category, which needs an explicit OK from the user every time it is invoked by a site. Staying with an older Java release won't help; if anything, it will be worse, since those older releases are bound to be even more emphatically blocked. You raise a point I'd appreciate clarification on: explicit OK from the user. The problem several of us have is that, when visiting a site which uses Java, we are not ASKED if it's OK to run Java, the site simply fails. Despite continually un- and re-installing Java to allow for 'clean' installs, certificate updates, etc., we're not being prompted to click a permissions dialog, we're simply A) told by the web site that we don't have Java running, or B) nothing happens at all. The current state of the Java 7u15 plugin states this plugin is known to have vulnerabilities, but nothing actually says it's blocked (at least on my machine at the mo.) In fact, the 'disable' button is available if I want to turn it off, which infers it's still running. But the Pogo web site now looks for Java before allowing a Java-based game to run, and it tells me I haven't got Java installed. And that's contradictory, based on the observed interface. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: OT Re: can SM detect device
On 03/03/2013 03:08 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote: Iceman wrote: On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 08:22:03 -0500, Rick Merrill wrote in message news:rrsdnr2idobmyazmnz2dnuvz_uwdn...@mozilla.org: Geoff Welsh wrote: [13 quoted lines suppressed] Ok, (one has to start somewhere) So where is a good CSS group? You can try: http://csscreator.com/forum Usenet groups aren't up to much these days. ;-) or even accessible without a fee. I used to peruse many Usenet groupsnow I can only get to Mozilla(notUse)net. Cellphone, cable, internet...I wish I had been an adult in the 1950's instead. GW Eternal September is accessible without a fee, and carries comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets. Usenet News has 'Block Accounts' that are low cost. http://usenet-news.net/index1.php?url=srv I found there is no need for a Giganews type account for my needs. Using Usenet News I have saved over $90 over the last six months, using a 100 GB block account, at a cost of $15 USD. YMMV -- Fedora 18.0 (64-bit) KDE 4.9.5 Thunderbird Daily If we burn in hell, do we freeze in heaven? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: About Image Management on Seamonkey Browser
On Friday, 1 March 2013 10:33:08 UTC-5, rack...@gmail.com wrote: Seamonkey is one of the best browsers I've been using in a long time. That said there's a minor issue for those of us who regularily stumble our way through the permissions / preference areas when it comes to managing images in browser windows. Now I know the dream I have, of having all preferences and settings appear in one long single window with check marks, is never going to be possible, so Is there a simple sheet of instructions, that will work, on how to adjust image permissions and preferences so that we can undo the mess we've created by playing with the controls? Case in point: I've messed up my seamonkey settings for images, so badly, that I don't think I'll ever get images back on some sites. And I have tried, for days. As I said in the beginning, I really like seamonkey, and intend to use it as my main browser, email, and irregardless of image viewing issues. (I have firefox as a back up). Thanks for your advise, if there is any. Okay, thanks guys, but I think I've found the work around for this issue. I just go to: Switch Profile Manage Profiles Add New Profile name it images on and never play with the permissions controls. This provides a clean slate to the issue and makes an easy way to fix too much messing around with the permissions. (of which I'm guilty). All I have to do is switch profiles to get all sites images working again. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Java is Blocked again today
Interviewed by CNN on 03/03/2013 17:23, Rickles told the world: You raise a point I'd appreciate clarification on: explicit OK from the user. The problem several of us have is that, when visiting a site which uses Java, we are not ASKED if it's OK to run Java, the site simply fails. Despite continually un- and re-installing Java to allow for 'clean' installs, certificate updates, etc., we're not being prompted to click a permissions dialog, we're simply A) told by the web site that we don't have Java running, or B) nothing happens at all. The current state of the Java 7u15 plugin states this plugin is known to have vulnerabilities, but nothing actually says it's blocked (at least on my machine at the mo.) In fact, the 'disable' button is available if I want to turn it off, which infers it's still running. But the Pogo web site now looks for Java before allowing a Java-based game to run, and it tells me I haven't got Java installed. And that's contradictory, based on the observed interface. It's possible that -- beyond the default click-to-run imposed by the block list -- you have your Java plugin manually set to disabled in the Add-Ons Manager. Why it got that way, I have no idea. But do check that. I saw a computer like that a few days ago -- after manually enabling the Java plugin, the click-to-run behavior started to work as designed. It's possible that you may have to disable, then re-enable Java. I don't remember what I did exactly to fix it. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Franklin Translator. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.16 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Java is Blocked again today
It's possible that -- beyond the default click-to-run imposed by the block list -- you have your Java plugin manually set to disabled in the Add-Ons Manager. Why it got that way, I have no idea. But do check that. I saw a computer like that a few days ago -- after manually enabling the Java plugin, the click-to-run behavior started to work as designed. It's possible that you may have to disable, then re-enable Java. I don't remember what I did exactly to fix it. My Java plugin is ENabled, because the DISable button is visible. If I click DISable, the plugin status immediately changes in the Add-On mgr screen to reflect that (button changes to ENable.) Clicking on ENable changes the display status back to the previous warning (but not blocked) message. In either state, the Java-based games won't play from Pogo, and a dialog opens to test for the presence of Java, which ultimately says I haven't got it. If I go to about:config to shut the blocklist function off, the game plays immediately. Data Manager entries for Permissions, Cookies, etc., have absolutely no effect, since Data Mgr has no interface that relates to plugins. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Java is Blocked again today
On 3/3/13 12:23 PM, Rickles wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 02/03/2013 15:51, question told the world: My wife has not used her computer this week.. So this explains why Java works on hers this morning..on pogo Block list has not been updated more in likely. Both computers are identical... But her JAVA is 7u10 Mine is 7u15 I told her not to update her Java . Reading the bugzilla. We are being Blocked Because FACEBOOK got hacked.. Could be FACEBOOK does not have Java Configured Correctly . So Ever other WEBSITE that uses JAVA has to Suffer Because The Almighty FACEBOOK's Security is not Enabled correctly . Let Facebook take care of itself . I think you misunderstood the issue. The problem is not that a few computers belonging to Facebook engineers got hacked; the problem is that this event demonstrates that: a) There is a bug in Java b) Which is ALREADY BEING EXPLOITED by hackers. If this exploit only affected Facebook, there would be no reason for worry. But the thing is, it DOES present a risk for EVERY user. Facebook can take care of itself, but most small users CANNOT. It's to protect those small users that the block has been implemented. So, for the moment, it's considered dangerous to have Java running automatically. Even if the latest exploit has been band-aided, the recent pattern of security problems with Java raises serious doubts about its overall security. Simply stated, Java is no longer worth the trust of Internet users -- until such a time as it can regain that trust, Mozilla opted to place it in the click-to-run category, which needs an explicit OK from the user every time it is invoked by a site. Staying with an older Java release won't help; if anything, it will be worse, since those older releases are bound to be even more emphatically blocked. You raise a point I'd appreciate clarification on: explicit OK from the user. The problem several of us have is that, when visiting a site which uses Java, we are not ASKED if it's OK to run Java, the site simply fails. Despite continually un- and re-installing Java to allow for 'clean' installs, certificate updates, etc., we're not being prompted to click a permissions dialog, we're simply A) told by the web site that we don't have Java running, or B) nothing happens at all. The current state of the Java 7u15 plugin states this plugin is known to have vulnerabilities, but nothing actually says it's blocked (at least on my machine at the mo.) In fact, the 'disable' button is available if I want to turn it off, which infers it's still running. But the Pogo web site now looks for Java before allowing a Java-based game to run, and it tells me I haven't got Java installed. And that's contradictory, based on the observed interface. When you go to a Web page that uses Java but the blocklist prevents Java from running, you should see an icon at the left end of the URI bar (address bar). The icon resembles a small Lego block. Click on that icon to get a pull-down menu to override the blocklist for that Web page. No, this is NOT intuitive and definitely NOT user-oriented. And no, I know of no way to undo the override. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Are taxes too high in the U.S.? Check the bar graph at http://www.rossde.com/taxes/trickling.html to see. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Java is Blocked again today
David E. Ross wrote: On 3/3/13 12:23 PM, Rickles wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 02/03/2013 15:51, question told the world: My wife has not used her computer this week.. So this explains why Java works on hers this morning..on pogo Block list has not been updated more in likely. Both computers are identical... But her JAVA is 7u10 Mine is 7u15 I told her not to update her Java . Reading the bugzilla. We are being Blocked Because FACEBOOK got hacked.. Could be FACEBOOK does not have Java Configured Correctly . So Ever other WEBSITE that uses JAVA has to Suffer Because The Almighty FACEBOOK's Security is not Enabled correctly . Let Facebook take care of itself . I think you misunderstood the issue. The problem is not that a few computers belonging to Facebook engineers got hacked; the problem is that this event demonstrates that: a) There is a bug in Java b) Which is ALREADY BEING EXPLOITED by hackers. If this exploit only affected Facebook, there would be no reason for worry. But the thing is, it DOES present a risk for EVERY user. Facebook can take care of itself, but most small users CANNOT. It's to protect those small users that the block has been implemented. So, for the moment, it's considered dangerous to have Java running automatically. Even if the latest exploit has been band-aided, the recent pattern of security problems with Java raises serious doubts about its overall security. Simply stated, Java is no longer worth the trust of Internet users -- until such a time as it can regain that trust, Mozilla opted to place it in the click-to-run category, which needs an explicit OK from the user every time it is invoked by a site. Staying with an older Java release won't help; if anything, it will be worse, since those older releases are bound to be even more emphatically blocked. You raise a point I'd appreciate clarification on: explicit OK from the user. The problem several of us have is that, when visiting a site which uses Java, we are not ASKED if it's OK to run Java, the site simply fails. Despite continually un- and re-installing Java to allow for 'clean' installs, certificate updates, etc., we're not being prompted to click a permissions dialog, we're simply A) told by the web site that we don't have Java running, or B) nothing happens at all. The current state of the Java 7u15 plugin states this plugin is known to have vulnerabilities, but nothing actually says it's blocked (at least on my machine at the mo.) In fact, the 'disable' button is available if I want to turn it off, which infers it's still running. But the Pogo web site now looks for Java before allowing a Java-based game to run, and it tells me I haven't got Java installed. And that's contradictory, based on the observed interface. When you go to a Web page that uses Java but the blocklist prevents Java from running, you should see an icon at the left end of the URI bar (address bar). The icon resembles a small Lego block. Click on that icon to get a pull-down menu to override the blocklist for that Web page. No, this is NOT intuitive and definitely NOT user-oriented. And no, I know of no way to undo the override. About:config search for Blocklist double click EXTENSION,BLOCKLIST.ENABLED and this will Change it From true to False .. Print this out , Because The next Release of Seamonkey may just block it again . I Still say we let FACEBOOK Take care of their own problems with their Security . ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Java is Blocked again today
question wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 3/3/13 12:23 PM, Rickles wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 02/03/2013 15:51, question told the world: My wife has not used her computer this week.. So this explains why Java works on hers this morning..on pogo Block list has not been updated more in likely. Both computers are identical... But her JAVA is 7u10 Mine is 7u15 I told her not to update her Java . Reading the bugzilla. We are being Blocked Because FACEBOOK got hacked.. Could be FACEBOOK does not have Java Configured Correctly . So Ever other WEBSITE that uses JAVA has to Suffer Because The Almighty FACEBOOK's Security is not Enabled correctly . Let Facebook take care of itself . I think you misunderstood the issue. The problem is not that a few computers belonging to Facebook engineers got hacked; the problem is that this event demonstrates that: a) There is a bug in Java b) Which is ALREADY BEING EXPLOITED by hackers. If this exploit only affected Facebook, there would be no reason for worry. But the thing is, it DOES present a risk for EVERY user. Facebook can take care of itself, but most small users CANNOT. It's to protect those small users that the block has been implemented. So, for the moment, it's considered dangerous to have Java running automatically. Even if the latest exploit has been band-aided, the recent pattern of security problems with Java raises serious doubts about its overall security. Simply stated, Java is no longer worth the trust of Internet users -- until such a time as it can regain that trust, Mozilla opted to place it in the click-to-run category, which needs an explicit OK from the user every time it is invoked by a site. Staying with an older Java release won't help; if anything, it will be worse, since those older releases are bound to be even more emphatically blocked. You raise a point I'd appreciate clarification on: explicit OK from the user. The problem several of us have is that, when visiting a site which uses Java, we are not ASKED if it's OK to run Java, the site simply fails. Despite continually un- and re-installing Java to allow for 'clean' installs, certificate updates, etc., we're not being prompted to click a permissions dialog, we're simply A) told by the web site that we don't have Java running, or B) nothing happens at all. The current state of the Java 7u15 plugin states this plugin is known to have vulnerabilities, but nothing actually says it's blocked (at least on my machine at the mo.) In fact, the 'disable' button is available if I want to turn it off, which infers it's still running. But the Pogo web site now looks for Java before allowing a Java-based game to run, and it tells me I haven't got Java installed. And that's contradictory, based on the observed interface. When you go to a Web page that uses Java but the blocklist prevents Java from running, you should see an icon at the left end of the URI bar (address bar). The icon resembles a small Lego block. Click on that icon to get a pull-down menu to override the blocklist for that Web page. No, this is NOT intuitive and definitely NOT user-oriented. And no, I know of no way to undo the override. About:config search for Blocklist double click EXTENSION,BLOCKLIST.ENABLED and this will Change it From true to False .. Print this out , Because The next Release of Seamonkey may just block it again . I Still say we let FACEBOOK Take care of their own problems with their Security . P S ... MY WIFE is real Happy Now . ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Java is Blocked again today
Original Message David E. Ross wrote: On 3/3/13 12:23 PM, Rickles wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 02/03/2013 15:51, question told the world: My wife has not used her computer this week.. So this explains why Java works on hers this morning..on pogo Block list has not been updated more in likely. Both computers are identical... But her JAVA is 7u10 Mine is 7u15 I told her not to update her Java . Reading the bugzilla. We are being Blocked Because FACEBOOK got hacked.. Could be FACEBOOK does not have Java Configured Correctly . So Ever other WEBSITE that uses JAVA has to Suffer Because The Almighty FACEBOOK's Security is not Enabled correctly . Let Facebook take care of itself . I think you misunderstood the issue. The problem is not that a few computers belonging to Facebook engineers got hacked; the problem is that this event demonstrates that: a) There is a bug in Java b) Which is ALREADY BEING EXPLOITED by hackers. If this exploit only affected Facebook, there would be no reason for worry. But the thing is, it DOES present a risk for EVERY user. Facebook can take care of itself, but most small users CANNOT. It's to protect those small users that the block has been implemented. So, for the moment, it's considered dangerous to have Java running automatically. Even if the latest exploit has been band-aided, the recent pattern of security problems with Java raises serious doubts about its overall security. Simply stated, Java is no longer worth the trust of Internet users -- until such a time as it can regain that trust, Mozilla opted to place it in the click-to-run category, which needs an explicit OK from the user every time it is invoked by a site. Staying with an older Java release won't help; if anything, it will be worse, since those older releases are bound to be even more emphatically blocked. You raise a point I'd appreciate clarification on: explicit OK from the user. The problem several of us have is that, when visiting a site which uses Java, we are not ASKED if it's OK to run Java, the site simply fails. Despite continually un- and re-installing Java to allow for 'clean' installs, certificate updates, etc., we're not being prompted to click a permissions dialog, we're simply A) told by the web site that we don't have Java running, or B) nothing happens at all. The current state of the Java 7u15 plugin states this plugin is known to have vulnerabilities, but nothing actually says it's blocked (at least on my machine at the mo.) In fact, the 'disable' button is available if I want to turn it off, which infers it's still running. But the Pogo web site now looks for Java before allowing a Java-based game to run, and it tells me I haven't got Java installed. And that's contradictory, based on the observed interface. When you go to a Web page that uses Java but the blocklist prevents Java from running, you should see an icon at the left end of the URI bar (address bar). The icon resembles a small Lego block. Click on that icon to get a pull-down menu to override the blocklist for that Web page. No, this is NOT intuitive and definitely NOT user-oriented. And no, I know of no way to undo the override. About:config search for Blocklist double click EXTENSION,BLOCKLIST.ENABLED and this will Change it From true to False .. Print this out , Because The next Release of Seamonkey may just block it again . I Still say we let FACEBOOK Take care of their own problems with their Security . Had no effect. I think the cause of the problem has to do with how the browser interacts with java, not the status of the blocklist. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: OT Re: can SM detect device
WaltS wrote: On 03/03/2013 03:08 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote: Iceman wrote: On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 08:22:03 -0500, Rick Merrill wrote in message news:rrsdnr2idobmyazmnz2dnuvz_uwdn...@mozilla.org: Geoff Welsh wrote: [13 quoted lines suppressed] Ok, (one has to start somewhere) So where is a good CSS group? You can try: http://csscreator.com/forum Usenet groups aren't up to much these days. ;-) or even accessible without a fee. I used to peruse many Usenet groupsnow I can only get to Mozilla(notUse)net. Cellphone, cable, internet...I wish I had been an adult in the 1950's instead. GW Eternal September is accessible without a fee, and carries comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets. Usenet News has 'Block Accounts' that are low cost. http://usenet-news.net/index1.php?url=srv I found there is no need for a Giganews type account for my needs. Using Usenet News I have saved over $90 over the last six months, using a 100 GB block account, at a cost of $15 USD. YMMV There is another Free server albasani.net they also carry many comp. groups. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: adding profile manager to windows 7 desktop.
Thank you very much to Messrs Gallagher and Taylor for your solution. It was easy to do. However, in having the profile manager now on the desktop, when I click on any of the 3 additional users, it revert to the primary one only, and before on the XP version, each of the additional ones were separate and had their own default webpages. When I tried to add their respective email accounts using the first additional one, it became a sub-folder of the main account that's not what I would like to do. So again I would appreciate any guidance in how to solve this. regards Cliff ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
