Re: SM 32/64 bits ?

[djc]

On 30/09/2016 12:55 PM, Lee wrote:

On 9/29/16, djc  wrote:

Lee wrote:

On 9/29/16, sean  wrote:

Ray_Net wrote on 09/28/2016 01:38 PM:

Hello, Tell me ...

I will install soon the latest SM official release version of SM.
(2.40)

It is a 32 bits applications - Could you confirm ?


I see a "contributed build" that is 64 bit for linux... but don't see a
64 bit Windows build on the release page...


https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows64/


For what it's worth, I've been running this latest build:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:52.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49a1
Build identifier: 20160924005117

for a few days without any problems. Mind you, it's a simple setup, few
extensions, but I do use imap mail (1 mailbox), news (to this group) and
lightning via google provider to a shared family google calendar.

My only gotcha (so far) is the lack of Java applet support -
specifically 32-bit. I'll need to keep a 32-bit SeaMonkey for this since
it is for a government credential verification applet.


Have you tried installing a 64 bit version of Java?
http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp
has links for both 32 and 64 bit offline installations of java


A query - how can I test that SeaMonkey (32 and/or 64 bit) supports a
Java Webstart application. I've done some googling, (and duck duck
going), but can't seem to see a simple "test here" site. There must be one.


http://www.java.com/en/download/help/troubleshoot_java.xml#test
which leads to
http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp

which may or may not test Java Webstart.  I haven't had Java installed
for a long time so I don't have anything to test

Regards,
Lee


Thanks Lee. I had J64 installed. See NoOp and my response below.
djc

[Sent from SM 2.48a2 on Win10 1511]

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Re: SM 32/64 bits ?

[djc]

NoOp wrote:

On 9/29/2016 6:59 PM, djc wrote:

Lee wrote:

On 9/29/16, sean  wrote:

Ray_Net wrote on 09/28/2016 01:38 PM:

Hello, Tell me ...

I will install soon the latest SM official release version of SM. (2.40)

It is a 32 bits applications - Could you confirm ?


I see a "contributed build" that is 64 bit for linux... but don't see a
64 bit Windows build on the release page...


https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows64/


For what it's worth, I've been running this latest build:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:52.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49a1
Build identifier: 20160924005117

for a few days without any problems. Mind you, it's a simple setup, few
extensions, but I do use imap mail (1 mailbox), news (to this group) and
lightning via google provider to a shared family google calendar.

My only gotcha (so far) is the lack of Java applet support -
specifically 32-bit. I'll need to keep a 32-bit SeaMonkey for this since
it is for a government credential verification applet.


I've not been able to get Java (32bit or 64bit) to work with the Win64
version of SeaMonkey (https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/). I've
also not been able to get most of my add-on's and plugins to work
either. So, after testing for a week and trying everything that I can
think of to get them to work I switched back to the Win32 version of
SeaMonkey on Windows. Note: I didn't expect many of the add-ons to work
yet, but was surprised when the plugins didn't.


I know that Firefox has dropped support for most plugins as of FF51(SM 
49) which is why Java applets don't work. The only Plugins available are:


Adobe Flash Player(out of date, but successfully updated to
  Shockwave Flash 23.0 r0 v. 23.0.0.162) and
Microsoft Silverlight 5.1.50428.0 v. 5.1.50428.0 updated to
  Current version: Silverlight 5 (5.1.50709.0)
Both now satisfy their relevant test pages.


All of my plugins/add-ons work just fine in SeaMonkey 64 linux (2.40 and
2.45).



A query - how can I test that SeaMonkey (32 and/or 64 bit) supports a
Java Webstart application. I've done some googling, (and duck duck
going), but can't seem to see a simple "test here" site. There must be one.


https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/deployment/webstart/running.html


Java Web Start software loads and runs the application based on
instructions in the JNLP file.

Try it now: Run Notepad


Works for me.


Thanks NoOp - that's what I couldn't find. Works for me too.

I'll continue using SM-64 v 49a on this PC - at least it gives it a 
little testing. Also start trying additional add-ons, not that I use 
many ... have the English (Australian) dictionary installed.


I'm a little less cavalier and running SM-32 v 48 a2 (as of today) on my 
other PC - with somewhat regular backups in addition to the (maybe 
risky) MS File History backup.


djc




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Re: BCC broken?

[David E. Ross]

On 9/30/2016 4:52 PM, sean wrote:
> i regularly send out e'mail to groups and lists with the BCC flag... but 
> lately, despite explicitly choosing BCC... all the e'mail addresses are 
> visible... to all of the BCCed recopients...
> 
> any body else ?!?
> 

The bcc list of addresses should indeed be visible to you in the as-sent
copy of the message.  If you also send a copy to yourself, the bcc list
should be hidden in the as-received copy (as indicated by Richard Alan).

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Re: BCC broken?

[Richard Alan]

sean wrote:

> i regularly send out e'mail to groups and lists with the BCC flag... but
> lately, despite explicitly choosing BCC... all the e'mail addresses are
> visible... to all of the BCCed recopients...
> 
> any body else ?!?

Are they marked as TO: or CC: ?

How do you know they are visible? Have you included yourself on the list?

No, I have never seen this, in years of SeaMonkey and Thunderbird use.
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BCC broken?

[sean]

i regularly send out e'mail to groups and lists with the BCC flag... but 
lately, despite explicitly choosing BCC... all the e'mail addresses are 
visible... to all of the BCCed recopients...


any body else ?!?

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Re: SM 32/64 bits ?

[NoOp]

On 9/29/2016 6:59 PM, djc wrote:
> Lee wrote:
>> On 9/29/16, sean  wrote:
>>> Ray_Net wrote on 09/28/2016 01:38 PM:
 Hello, Tell me ...

 I will install soon the latest SM official release version of SM. (2.40)

 It is a 32 bits applications - Could you confirm ?
>>>
>>> I see a "contributed build" that is 64 bit for linux... but don't see a
>>> 64 bit Windows build on the release page...
>>
>> https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows64/
> 
> For what it's worth, I've been running this latest build:
> 
> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) 
> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49a1
> Build identifier: 20160924005117
> 
> for a few days without any problems. Mind you, it's a simple setup, few 
> extensions, but I do use imap mail (1 mailbox), news (to this group) and 
> lightning via google provider to a shared family google calendar.
> 
> My only gotcha (so far) is the lack of Java applet support - 
> specifically 32-bit. I'll need to keep a 32-bit SeaMonkey for this since 
> it is for a government credential verification applet.

I've not been able to get Java (32bit or 64bit) to work with the Win64
version of SeaMonkey (https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/). I've
also not been able to get most of my add-on's and plugins to work
either. So, after testing for a week and trying everything that I can
think of to get them to work I switched back to the Win32 version of
SeaMonkey on Windows. Note: I didn't expect many of the add-ons to work
yet, but was surprised when the plugins didn't.

All of my plugins/add-ons work just fine in SeaMonkey 64 linux (2.40 and
2.45).

> 
> A query - how can I test that SeaMonkey (32 and/or 64 bit) supports a 
> Java Webstart application. I've done some googling, (and duck duck 
> going), but can't seem to see a simple "test here" site. There must be one.

https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/deployment/webstart/running.html


Java Web Start software loads and runs the application based on
instructions in the JNLP file.

Try it now: Run Notepad


Works for me.

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Re: Importing Old Mail with .slt Suffix

[Chris Ilias]

On 29/09/2016 12:21 PM, David Hume wrote:

Chris Ilias  writes:



Communicator never used ".slt" folders, so I assume that profile was
created in Netscape 6. The file format is actually the same as what is
used in SeaMonkey today, so importing them is the same method as
described at
. Instead of
creating a new account, create the folders in the Local Folders
account, then close SeaMonkey and switch the new files with the old
ones.


I am a bit lost here. I have two folders of the form xx.slt. Within
those there are various things including a folder called Mail and a
folder called ImapMail. So these xx.slt are profiles I expect, so I
renamed them to xx.profile1 etc. Then edited profiles.ini so they
would be recognised. Then I started seamonkey with profile manager. I
see the various accounts, but cannot see any mail within them.


I get the impression you read the section of that page on transferring 
entire profiles, not the section on transferring mail. :)


If the account you're trying to recover was a POP account, the files 
will be stored in the \Mail\ folder.

Then there is a folder for each POP account, named after the server.
Within that account folder is a file for each mail folder (Inbox, Sent, 
etc.) The files without extension contain the messages (Inbox, not 
Inbox.msf).
1. In your current SeaMonkey profile, create a folder within the Local 
Folders account called "TEMP".
2. Close SeaMonkey, and open the profile folder of your current 
SeaMonkey profile. Navigate to \Mail\Local Folders\ directory.

3. Delete the files "TEMP" and "TEMP.msf".
4. Copy over the "Inbox" file from your old profile to the folder in the 
previous step.

5. Rename the file to "TEMP".
6. Open SeaMonkey.

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Re: SeaMonkey features re (HTML4 &/or HTML5)?

[Ed Mullen]

On 9/30/2016 at 7:49 AM, Richard Owlett's prodigious digits fired off:

On 9/27/2016 7:47 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

Richard Owlett composed on 2016-09-27 14:10 (UTC-0400):


That's an imperfect subject line to say the least.
Does SeaMonkey have a specification more detailed than the
"Feature List" at http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features ?


That list is more concerned with UI features than compatibility
with web standards.


The "World Wide Web Consortium" has test suites
[http://validator.w3.org/] to demonstrate compliance of a WEB
page with various HTML standards.



My interest is from a different perspective. What features of
HTML4 and/or HTML% an SeaMonkey handle as page designer intended?


Web design is comprised of three fundamental components:

1-Content = HTML

2-Appearance = CSS

3-Behavior = scripting (JS or JavaScript in the FOSS world of Gecko aka
Firefox and SeaMonkey)



Is there a site that explores that for the layperson, i.e. a Pastor and
Board of Deacons?



 is a good place to start.

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Re: SeaMonkey features re (HTML4 &/or HTML5)?

[Chris Ilias]

On 27/09/2016 2:10 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

That's an imperfect subject line to say the least.
Does SeaMonkey have a specification more detailed than the "Feature
List" at http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features ?

The "World Wide Web Consortium" has test suites
[http://validator.w3.org/] to demonstrate compliance of a WEB page with
various HTML standards.

My interest is from a different perspective. What features of HTML4
and/or HTML% an SeaMonkey handle as page designer intended?

Background: Our Pastor wishes the church to have a WEB presence -
including the availability of sermons. I date from dial-up era when much
audio was "download then play". Streaming was available in theory - my
ISP could not keep up with it.

I understand that HTML5 has an "audio tag". In reality, what does that
mean?



It means that you can play audio files in a web page without needing a 
plugin, like Flash or Windows Media Player. For instance, if you go to 
, there is a video. The 
HTML code for it is simply...



  


...where "Default.shtml.webm" is the name of the video file. The player 
is provided by SeaMonkey.


For more information on HTML5, this is a good video 
.


SeaMonkey has supported the audio tag since version 2.0 was released in 
2009. Supported audio file formats are at 



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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Jonathan N. Little]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> The index files (not "fills") on Windows are *.msf, not *.snm. My
> Windows installation has no files anywhere in the profile named *.snm. I
> can't say what they will be on Linux.

They are exactly the same.

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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Chris Ilias]

On 29/09/2016 5:02 PM, bwitzed wrote:

I did the privacy settings and it fixed the images.

How do I confirm that java is disabled?


Java is installed separately from SeaMonkey, and SeaMonkey doesn't 
install it on your computer. Installing Java is something you would have 
to do yourself. Assuming you're on Windows, you should see in the 
Windows Control Panel, and be able to uninstall it from there.


I don't think you should worry about any sites requiring Java. I 
uninstalled it around 10 years ago, and haven't had a need for it. The 
websites you visit may be different, but it's a very safe assumption 
that you won't need it.


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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Wolfgang Steger]

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:
> bwitzed wrote:
> 
>> I did the privacy settings and it fixed the images.
>>
>> How do I confirm that java is disabled?
> 
[...]
> 
> Remember, Java is not the same as javascript.
> 

Fast Check for *Java*: http://www.java.com/de/download/installed8.jsp/

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Re: SeaMonkey features re (HTML4 &/or HTML5)?

[Richard Owlett]

On 9/27/2016 7:47 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

Richard Owlett composed on 2016-09-27 14:10 (UTC-0400):


That's an imperfect subject line to say the least.
Does SeaMonkey have a specification more detailed than the
"Feature List" at http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features ?


That list is more concerned with UI features than compatibility
with web standards.


The "World Wide Web Consortium" has test suites
[http://validator.w3.org/] to demonstrate compliance of a WEB
page with various HTML standards.



My interest is from a different perspective. What features of
HTML4 and/or HTML% an SeaMonkey handle as page designer intended?


Web design is comprised of three fundamental components:

1-Content = HTML

2-Appearance = CSS

3-Behavior = scripting (JS or JavaScript in the FOSS world of Gecko aka
Firefox and SeaMonkey)



Is there a site that explores that for the layperson, i.e. a 
Pastor and Board of Deacons?


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Re: SeaMonkey features re (HTML4 &/or HTML5)?

[Richard Owlett]

On 9/29/2016 1:31 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

html5 support has improved a lot between 2.40 and current 2.46
which hopefully arrives soon. SeaMonkey should support all
standard html5 features Firefox support so any current website
which supports Firefox should work in SeaMonkey. Just make sure
to cut back on the Javascript and try to avoid using too much
external content.

I wouldn't worry too much about html5 and more about the actual
design. A lot of new mobile optimized websites make me want to
barf when viewing them with a PC or laptop.

FRG



I'm not the creative type, so will stay clear of much of the 
planning. Are there resources available aimed at leaders of 
organizations, such as churches, aimed at making them "educated 
consumers'? Had a discussion with Pastor and realized how little 
we both knew about planning a site. He had mentioned the inverse 
of your point about mobile vs computer oriented site. There was a 
site that looked good on his laptop but was painful to use on his 
smart phone. Is there a site covering that issue for lay people?

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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Daniel wrote:


Have a look at Tools->Switch Profiles to see if you have more profiles
than you would expect. Sometimes things happen which result in new
profiles being created!!

The e-mails that you have sent are stored in a file called sent. no
extension, just sent, although there should also be a file called
sent.snm, which is the index file for the sent file.

The e-mails that you receive are stored in a file called Inbox. no
extension, just Inbox, although there should also be a file called
inbox.snm, which is the index file for the inbox file.

Do a Windows Search for either of these files to find their locations.
Or, in SeaMonkey, have a look at Edit->Mail & Newsgroups Account
Settings, select "Server Settings" for your e-mail account and, at the
bottom of that screen, you should see the location of your Mail account
in the "Local directory" spot!

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.40 Build identifier: 20160120202951
or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501


But what is the filename or extension I search for in indows explorer
to find the other profile on my computer.


Each profiles information is stored in a file called "prefs.js".
Each mail accounts received e-mails are stored in a fill called "inbox"
with its indexed file called "inbox.snm".
Each mail accounts sent e-mails are stored in a fill called "sent" with
its indexed file called "sent.snm".

Didn't I just type that??


You did, with numerous confusing and misleading typos.

The index files (not "fills") on Windows are *.msf, not *.snm. My 
Windows installation has no files anywhere in the profile named *.snm. I 
can't say what they will be on Linux.


Windows SM also has a file type *.sbd, which appears when a mail folder 
has one or more subfolders. For example, I have a folder structure like 
this (as viewed from inside SM):


Sent
└2006
└2007
└2008
└...

And the corresponding files are
Sent
Sent.msf
\Sent.sbd
 └2006
 └2006.msf
 └2007
 └2007.msf
 └2008
 └2008.msf
 └...

So if I wanted to transfer my entire Sent folder, I would copy the files 
Sent and Sent.msf and the folder \Sent.sbd.


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Re: No images display in 2.40 email

[Daniel]

On 30/09/2016 7:16 AM, bwitzed wrote:

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 3:27:05 AM UTC-7, Daniel wrote:

On 24/09/2016 4:10 AM, bwitzed wrote:

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 6:16:54 AM UTC-7, TCW wrote:

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 20:37:41 -0700 (PDT),
bwitzed wrote:


I am very frustrated that now that I have installed seamonkey
2.40, though it has solved the problem of continuous crashing, I
can no longer see ANY images in my email, though the preferences
have nothing blocked.  I disabled all addons except session
manager to no avail.  I do not think opening each and every of
multitudinal images in the browser is a workaround.  So, what to
do? 2.41?

I also hate resetting myself up each time, but how do I find my
previous sessions?

Lastly,  I heard that Chrome is the best browser because, unlike
all other browsers, it does not use java which is a back door to
all sorts of unsavory things.  So what can you tell me on this
and seamonkey?


Would you be willing to try a stable build of SM 2.45 to see if it
fixes the problem?


  > Yes but apparently the problem was in privacy so it is working now.
  > What more does this new version give me?

Greater, or updated, security, maybe! Other improvements.

  > And how do I find my old profiles? What is the file or file extension
  > I am looking for?

Have a look at Tools->Switch Profiles to see if you have more profiles
than you would expect. Sometimes things happen which result in new
profiles being created!!

The e-mails that you have sent are stored in a file called sent. no
extension, just sent, although there should also be a file called
sent.snm, which is the index file for the sent file.

The e-mails that you receive are stored in a file called Inbox. no
extension, just Inbox, although there should also be a file called
inbox.snm, which is the index file for the inbox file.

Do a Windows Search for either of these files to find their locations.
Or, in SeaMonkey, have a look at Edit->Mail & Newsgroups Account
Settings, select "Server Settings" for your e-mail account and, at the
bottom of that screen, you should see the location of your Mail account
in the "Local directory" spot!

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.40 Build identifier: 20160120202951
or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501


But what is the filename or extension I search for in indows explorer to find 
the other profile on my computer.


Each profiles information is stored in a file called "prefs.js".
Each mail accounts received e-mails are stored in a fill called "inbox" 
with its indexed file called "inbox.snm".
Each mail accounts sent e-mails are stored in a fill called "sent" with 
its indexed file called "sent.snm".


Didn't I just type that??

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.40 Build identifier: 20160120202951

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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