Re: Crashes

[WaltS48]

On 01/16/2017 05:36 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/16/2017 1:40 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 01/16/2017 02:56 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/16/2017 9:08 AM, JAS wrote:

I have had several crashes lately and wonder if someone can decipher the
crash reports? Using SM 2.48 on Win 7 Pro
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0
SeaMonkey/2.48 - Build ID: 20161208025245

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-a263dd8f-403a-4053-bfb0-fe7d32170116
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-a6c8d7c6-2968-4f01-989f-8a9b42170116
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-c827a390-641a-497f-ba0b-33c202170110
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-83b3296e-598a-4ab6-8601-f22a32170109

Thanks
JAS



SeaMonkey 2.48 is still being developed.  Thus, crashes might be
expected.  Report them at  so
that the developers can fix them before 2.48 is released to end-users.




That might not do any good, as there is no SeaMonkey 2.48 from the
SeaMonkey Project.

Nightly is 2.50a1


Aurora is 2.49a2


Beta is 2.46


Release is 2.46 



According to the minutes of the 10 January 2017 SeaMonkey Status
Meeting, the next release is 2.48.  See
.




I know, and they don't even have a Beta build yet. Wonder what the 
reason for that is, or did I just miss it at:




Maybe they are waiting for next weeks merges, when 2.50a1 becomes 
2.51a1, 2.49a2 becomes 2.50a2, 2.4?b(x) should be 2.49b1 and release 
would be 2.48. 


Well, Firefox Beta merged to release today, so 51.0rc should be out 
tomorrow. Isn't that what 2.48 is based on?


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Re: Will SeaMonkey ever get its own incognito like other web browsers (e.g., Firefox)?

[WaltS48]

On 01/16/2017 05:00 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 16-01-17 17:03:

On 01/15/2017 06:25 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 15-01-17 21:04:

On 01/15/2017 02:49 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 14-01-17 20:13:

On 2017-01-14 1:42 PM, Ant wrote:

Thank you in advance. :)


It's already there.

Go to File-->New-->Private_Window.
To open a bookmark or link in a private window, 
right-click-->Open_in_a_Private_Window.



Just a problem.
We can right-click -> open in a private window on a link present in 
a web page opened by the browser.
BUT we cannot right-click -> open in a private window on a link 
present in a mail nor in a post of a newsgroup.



Can't have a link in Thunderbird open in a private window with 
Firefox either.


But we have "Open in a New Window" so... why not the "Open in a 
Private window" option ?

What if you are currently using a private window?



Answering my own question here:

Clicking a link in email or a newsgroup will open a normal window from 
Thunderbird. The context menu items in Thunderbird are "Open Link in 
Browser", "Copy Link Location" and "Save Link As...".


If I used a private window, I could use "Copy Link Location" and paste 
it into the address bar of the private window.


I suspect SeaMonkey is similar.
YES BUT SeaMonkey is a mail/newsgroup reader AND a browser, so I don't 
understand why right-clicking will not give me the "Open in a private 
window" option.
I say that because right-clicking on a link in a mail give me the "Open 
in a new window" option.



It's not there because SeaMonkey Mail uses shared MailNews Core code 
with Thunderbird and that code doesn't have it, is my best guess.




Then again maybe it's shared Core code.



Or one of the other components.



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Re: 2.46 Automatically Updates, Breaks Mac OS 10.6.8

[Paul B. Gallagher]

EE wrote:


Disable automatic updating.  In Preferences > Advanced > Software
Installation, under "SeaMonkey" uncheck "Automatically check for
updates".


Not the same thing.

Checking for updates and notifying the user doesn't install anything.

If you want to disable automatic updating, the box to uncheck is 
"Automatically download and install the update."


I concur that wel-behaved installers should check system requirements, 
compatibility, etc. before running. In the real world, developers can't 
think of everything. And the older the user's HW and SW, the more 
initiative he/she should take in this area.


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Re: Crashes

[David E. Ross]

On 1/16/2017 1:40 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
> On 01/16/2017 02:56 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 1/16/2017 9:08 AM, JAS wrote:
>>> I have had several crashes lately and wonder if someone can decipher the
>>> crash reports? Using SM 2.48 on Win 7 Pro
>>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0
>>> SeaMonkey/2.48 - Build ID: 20161208025245
>>>
>>> http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-a263dd8f-403a-4053-bfb0-fe7d32170116
>>> http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-a6c8d7c6-2968-4f01-989f-8a9b42170116
>>> http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-c827a390-641a-497f-ba0b-33c202170110
>>> http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-83b3296e-598a-4ab6-8601-f22a32170109
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> JAS
>>>
>>
>> SeaMonkey 2.48 is still being developed.  Thus, crashes might be
>> expected.  Report them at  so
>> that the developers can fix them before 2.48 is released to end-users.
>>
> 
> 
> That might not do any good, as there is no SeaMonkey 2.48 from the 
> SeaMonkey Project.
> 
> Nightly is 2.50a1 
> 
> 
> Aurora is 2.49a2 
> 
> 
> Beta is 2.46 
> 
> 
> Release is 2.46 
> 

According to the minutes of the 10 January 2017 SeaMonkey Status
Meeting, the next release is 2.48.  See
.

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Re: 2.46 update not working

[EE]

Desiree wrote:

On 12/27/2016 8:10 AM, Ken Rudolph wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Ken Rudolph wrote:

Ken Rudolph wrote:

1)  POP e-mail not updating
2)  password manager crashes program

I need to go back to 2.40 and have downloaded it.  How can I make sure
that it will use my profile, and how can I stop it from updating to
2.46
automatically.  Help!


The reload and re-install of 2.40 worked, and everything is working OK
again. I still don't know how to stop the automatic updating to 2.46
which I don't want to do until I know it works (maybe the next update?)


Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Software Installation.

Uncheck 'Automatically Check for Updates.'


Thank you.  I'll be honest, this is the first time since Netscape 1.0
that an update has failed so disastrously.  This really scares me, since
I don't know what I'd do without SeaMonkey.


Yep.  I've been using Sea Monkey since Mozilla abandoned its predecessor
the Mozilla Suite and never had problems other than maybe a minor one
occasionally when upgrading.  Upgrade to 2.46 was a disaster on my
default profile but ok on a newish profile with only two extensions.  I
can't understand why we were not warned that no checking of extension
compatibility with this version would be done and that NO extensions
being used that were converted via LemonJuice's SeaMonkey extension
converter would work and that disaster would ensue if we tried to update
without first uninstalling all converted extensions.   I'm left
wondering why SeaMonkey is being continued since it is now Fx and no
point in it.


I did not use an automatic update.  I prefer to get the new installer 
and install manually.  I have not had problems with extensions, and most 
of mine have been converted or tweaked to install into SeaMonkey.  I 
also have a habit of changing the max version for SeaMonkey in 
install.rdf to 3.0 to stop the add-on from being marked incompatible.


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Re: Will SeaMonkey ever get its own incognito like other web browsers (e.g., Firefox)?

[Ray_Net]

WaltS48 wrote on 16-01-17 17:03:

On 01/15/2017 06:25 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 15-01-17 21:04:

On 01/15/2017 02:49 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 14-01-17 20:13:

On 2017-01-14 1:42 PM, Ant wrote:

Thank you in advance. :)


It's already there.

Go to File-->New-->Private_Window.
To open a bookmark or link in a private window, 
right-click-->Open_in_a_Private_Window.



Just a problem.
We can right-click -> open in a private window on a link present in 
a web page opened by the browser.
BUT we cannot right-click -> open in a private window on a link 
present in a mail nor in a post of a newsgroup.



Can't have a link in Thunderbird open in a private window with 
Firefox either.


But we have "Open in a New Window" so... why not the "Open in a 
Private window" option ?

What if you are currently using a private window?



Answering my own question here:

Clicking a link in email or a newsgroup will open a normal window from 
Thunderbird. The context menu items in Thunderbird are "Open Link in 
Browser", "Copy Link Location" and "Save Link As...".


If I used a private window, I could use "Copy Link Location" and paste 
it into the address bar of the private window.


I suspect SeaMonkey is similar.
YES BUT SeaMonkey is a mail/newsgroup reader AND a browser, so I don't 
understand why right-clicking will not give me the "Open in a private 
window" option.
I say that because right-clicking on a link in a mail give me the "Open 
in a new window" option.

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Re: search engine hijacked

[EE]

Jim wrote:

I got up this morning and found that my search engine has been switched
to "duckduckgo".

No matter what I switched to for search in preferences, duckduckgo came
up as a search engine.

I went to the screen under search engine precedence, and moved
duckduckgo down to last.  It still came up as my search engine.

Finally, I deleted it from the list of available search engines under
preferences and that got rid of it (for that user profile in SM).

Reading up on this subject, it appears I may have updated or installed
something, and didn't see a box checked to make duckduckgo my default
search engine (my bad).  But there isn't a good explanation how to get
rid of it completely (says to uninstall the app but doesn't give a good
idea what that app is).

I notice my other SM profiles still come up with duckduckgo as search
engine.  Any ideas (besides deleting that as an available search engine
in each profile)?

Running SM 2.46, W10, adblock plus, noscripts, and Norton Security Suite.


If I change the search engine in the search bar on my toolbar, SeaMonkey 
uses that search engine with search terms in the address bar and with 
selecting something on a page, and searching for that.


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Re: 2.46 Automatically Updates, Breaks Mac OS 10.6.8

[EE]

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

accordiong...@gmail.com wrote:

This thread has gone in the wrong direction, as it is focusing on whether or 
not I have backed up my profile data.


No you seem to be missing the point. You did not need to create a new
profile and "lose" your data just by uninstalling SeaMonkey and
reinstalling the previous version.

The issue of backing up is just a given! One should always have a backup
strategy. And since the downgrade does not corrupt your whole profile,
only the very limited scope of your browsing history, I mentioned how
your could restore most of that with your backup.


The original (and more important) question is -- is "shouldn't SeaMonkey check 
System Requirements before automatically updating?"



I thought it did. Folks have posted issues where the newest version
would not install on Windows with CPUs sans SSE2. Maybe this is a Mac
quirk...

Disable automatic updating.  In Preferences > Advanced > Software 
Installation, under "SeaMonkey" uncheck "Automatically check for updates".


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Re: Crashes

[WaltS48]

On 01/16/2017 02:56 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/16/2017 9:08 AM, JAS wrote:

I have had several crashes lately and wonder if someone can decipher the
crash reports? Using SM 2.48 on Win 7 Pro
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0
SeaMonkey/2.48 - Build ID: 20161208025245

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-a263dd8f-403a-4053-bfb0-fe7d32170116
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-a6c8d7c6-2968-4f01-989f-8a9b42170116
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-c827a390-641a-497f-ba0b-33c202170110
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-83b3296e-598a-4ab6-8601-f22a32170109

Thanks
JAS



SeaMonkey 2.48 is still being developed.  Thus, crashes might be
expected.  Report them at  so
that the developers can fix them before 2.48 is released to end-users.




That might not do any good, as there is no SeaMonkey 2.48 from the 
SeaMonkey Project.


Nightly is 2.50a1 



Aurora is 2.49a2 



Beta is 2.46 



Release is 2.46 

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Re: Manually sort folders

[George]

Thanks, EE.  Folderpane Tools will do it for me. (Haven't tried the 
default folder setting, but can live without that.)


EE wrote:

George wrote:

Does anyone know if this add-on would work in SeaMonkey 4.6, or if there
is a better one that will do the same thing in SM?

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/manually-sort-folders/


I tried that one.  It did not work with SeaMonkey.  The older extension
Folderpane Tools does work to some degree, although the default folder
setting no longer works.


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Re: Advertisement Deluge Follow-up w/uBlock Origin

[EE]

Daniel wrote:

On 10/01/2017 2:03 PM, Henrik37 wrote:

On my 64 bit Optiplex 780, Win7-Pro, SM 2.40, I loaded uBlock Origin as
an 'add on'.

One of the things I don't understand is that I am required to enable
uBlock Origin every time I open SeaMonkey.  If I don't specifically
enable uBlock Origin, it seems to remain inoperative.

I have never seen an 'add on' before that had to be constantly
re-enabled.  Is this normal behaviour for uBlock Origin?

Many thanks, in advance, for any enlightenment.


Henrik, have a look at your listing of uBlock Origin on the Add-ons
screen (Tools-Add-ons Manager). Is it set to "Always Activate", "Ask to
Activate" or "Never Activate"??

Try another setting, then switch to "Always Activate".

HTH


That is for plugins, not extensions.  With extensions, the choices are 
to enable or disable.


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Re: Mail Always Expanded

[EE]

Mason83 wrote:

On 14/01/2017 19:13, DoctorBill wrote:

Somehow, when I go to the Mail, any messages that
are stacked (+) are all unstacked (-) when I open.

They used to be compressed (+) and I can't figure
out how to set the mail so they stay stacked.
Is there a 'toggle' for that ?

Help ?


View > Threads > Collapse All Threads ?


Use the backslash key (\).

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Re: Manually sort folders

[EE]

George wrote:

Does anyone know if this add-on would work in SeaMonkey 4.6, or if there
is a better one that will do the same thing in SM?

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/manually-sort-folders/


I tried that one.  It did not work with SeaMonkey.  The older extension 
Folderpane Tools does work to some degree, although the default folder 
setting no longer works.


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Re: Crashes

[David E. Ross]

On 1/16/2017 9:08 AM, JAS wrote:
> I have had several crashes lately and wonder if someone can decipher the 
> crash reports? Using SM 2.48 on Win 7 Pro
> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 
> SeaMonkey/2.48 - Build ID: 20161208025245
> 
> http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-a263dd8f-403a-4053-bfb0-fe7d32170116
> http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-a6c8d7c6-2968-4f01-989f-8a9b42170116
> http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-c827a390-641a-497f-ba0b-33c202170110
> http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-83b3296e-598a-4ab6-8601-f22a32170109
> 
> Thanks
> JAS
> 

SeaMonkey 2.48 is still being developed.  Thus, crashes might be
expected.  Report them at  so
that the developers can fix them before 2.48 is released to end-users.

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Re: Crashes

[JAS]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Looks like these come from Adrians or local builds. Unfortunately they
do not have symbols so the crash reports are almost useless. Do you know
what you did when SeaMonkey crashed?

It sounds like the same problem mason385 reported. There are a few bug
reports against the mailnews component open with a similar crash reason.

FRG

JAS wrote:

I have had several crashes lately and wonder if someone can decipher
the crash reports? Using SM 2.48 on Win 7 Pro
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48 - Build ID: 20161208025245

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-a263dd8f-403a-4053-bfb0-fe7d32170116

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-a6c8d7c6-2968-4f01-989f-8a9b42170116

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-c827a390-641a-497f-ba0b-33c202170110

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-83b3296e-598a-4ab6-8601-f22a32170109


Thanks
JAS


I was starting to compose a new email when the last on happened and the 
one prior i clicked on an email to read it.

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Manually sort folders

[George]

Does anyone know if this add-on would work in SeaMonkey 4.6, or if there 
is a better one that will do the same thing in SM?


https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/manually-sort-folders/
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Re: Crashes

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Looks like these come from Adrians or local builds. Unfortunately they do not 
have symbols so the crash reports are almost useless. Do you know what you did 
when SeaMonkey crashed?


It sounds like the same problem mason385 reported. There are a few bug reports 
against the mailnews component open with a similar crash reason.


FRG

JAS wrote:
I have had several crashes lately and wonder if someone can decipher the crash 
reports? Using SM 2.48 on Win 7 Pro
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 
SeaMonkey/2.48 - Build ID: 20161208025245


http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-a263dd8f-403a-4053-bfb0-fe7d32170116 

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-a6c8d7c6-2968-4f01-989f-8a9b42170116 

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-c827a390-641a-497f-ba0b-33c202170110 

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-83b3296e-598a-4ab6-8601-f22a32170109 



Thanks
JAS


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Crashes

[JAS]

I have had several crashes lately and wonder if someone can decipher the 
crash reports? Using SM 2.48 on Win 7 Pro
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 
SeaMonkey/2.48 - Build ID: 20161208025245


http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-a263dd8f-403a-4053-bfb0-fe7d32170116
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-a6c8d7c6-2968-4f01-989f-8a9b42170116
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-c827a390-641a-497f-ba0b-33c202170110
http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-83b3296e-598a-4ab6-8601-f22a32170109

Thanks
JAS
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Re: Will SeaMonkey ever get its own incognito like other web browsers (e.g., Firefox)?

[WaltS48]

On 01/15/2017 06:25 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 15-01-17 21:04:

On 01/15/2017 02:49 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote on 14-01-17 20:13:

On 2017-01-14 1:42 PM, Ant wrote:

Thank you in advance. :)


It's already there.

Go to File-->New-->Private_Window.
To open a bookmark or link in a private window, 
right-click-->Open_in_a_Private_Window.



Just a problem.
We can right-click -> open in a private window on a link present in a 
web page opened by the browser.
BUT we cannot right-click -> open in a private window on a link 
present in a mail nor in a post of a newsgroup.



Can't have a link in Thunderbird open in a private window with Firefox 
either.


But we have "Open in a New Window" so... why not the "Open in a Private 
window" option ?

What if you are currently using a private window?



Answering my own question here:

Clicking a link in email or a newsgroup will open a normal window from 
Thunderbird. The context menu items in Thunderbird are "Open Link in 
Browser", "Copy Link Location" and "Save Link As...".


If I used a private window, I could use "Copy Link Location" and paste 
it into the address bar of the private window.


I suspect SeaMonkey is similar.

I don't see a problem to open a link in a private window if the page is 
already in a private window.
If a click on a link present in a private window ... it will be opened 
in the same private window.
BUT if I choose "Open in a new window" this window will be a normal 
window or a private window ?




Normal window.

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Re: Advertisement Deluge Follow-up w/uBlock Origin== How to delete DuckDuckGo from my hard drive in Windows 10?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Mort Linder wrote:


Even though I specify Google as my search engine, the darned
DuckDuckGo takes over each internet search, in Windows 10. It is not
listed under Programs  in Control Panel


Please don't hijack threads, start a new one with the new subject line.

This issue has been discussed thoroughly, with solutions, in relevant 
threads. Just look.


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Re: Advertisement Deluge Follow-up w/uBlock Origin== How to delete DuckDuckGo from my hard drive in Windows 10?

[Mort Linder]

Even though I specify Google as my search engine, the darned DuckDuckGo 
takes over each internet search, in Windows 10. It is not listed under 
Programs  in Control Panel


Thanks,
.
Mort Linder













Henrik37 wrote:

On my 64 bit Optiplex 780, Win7-Pro, SM 2.40, I loaded uBlock Origin as
an 'add on'.

One of the things I don't understand is that I am required to enable
uBlock Origin every time I open SeaMonkey.  If I don't specifically
enable uBlock Origin, it seems to remain inoperative.

I have never seen an 'add on' before that had to be constantly
re-enabled.  Is this normal behaviour for uBlock Origin?

Many thanks, in advance, for any enlightenment.


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Re: Displaying PDF's

[Daniel]

On 16/01/2017 4:09 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2017-01-15 9:57 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

Soon, no plugins will work other than Flash.  Later, even Flash will not
work.  This is per Mozilla's plans.

While this mess has not yet propagated to SeaMonkey, I have installed
the PDF Viewer extension.  This is inherent in Firefox and supposedly
will soon be inherent in SeaMonkey.


By default, SeaMonkey disables plugins in mailnews anyway. ;)

You can enable it in Edit-->Preferences-->Advanced-->Scripts_&_Plugins.

I've just done that, so will see what happens when I boot up again 
tomorrow ... Oh, wait, it's tomorrow already! ;-)


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Daniel

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.46 Build identifier: 20161213183751

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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