Re: Plain-text formatting

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Well I prefer plain text not because of bandwidth limitation but it has 
other advantages:


Security: No stupid picture links trying to divert you to an attack 
site. You see the links in plain text and can decide if they are legit. 
No hidden tags etc...


Readability: Most web fonts just s*ck and if the sender decides to 
really play with colors and stuff it get urgkkk very fast :) When I send 
and read mail its usually because of the information and the blink blink 
just distracts from it.


And its so convenient just to copy and past the unformatted text into 
your favorite editor or word processor.


FRG

Felix Miata wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher composed on 2017-01-23 13:29 (UTC-0500):


Even in the U.S., reasonably priced broadband is not hard to find.


Except in places where it's either impossible to find, or limited to 
prohibitively expensive satellite service. Not everyone is in position 
to choose to move just because decent Internet service cannot be had in 
their area.


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Re: Plain-text formatting

[Felix Miata]

Ed Mullen composed on 2017-01-24 21:41 (UTC-0500):


However, stats I read recently state that most people here
can get high speed.  Yes, if you live in rural Iowa, maybe not, but most
people do not live there.  Most people live in high density areas.  I'm
in suburban Atlanta and get 100 Mbs via Comcast cable. It's faster than
most on the 'net.


Here in FL there are plenty of places that are surrounded by broadband but 
people cannot get it at any price. Just because 7-Eleven, WalMart and McDonalds 
are only 10 minutes or less away doesn't mean broadband is available. Internet 
still isn't treated as a necessary utility everywhere in the USA like 
electricity is. Outside the US there are more areas where no one can get it. In 
any event, it's rude to be wasteful of others' resources.

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Re: Plain-text formatting

[Ed Mullen]

On 1/24/2017 at 5:49 PM, Felix Miata's prodigious digits fired off with 
great aplomb:

Paul B. Gallagher composed on 2017-01-23 13:29 (UTC-0500):


Even in the U.S., reasonably priced broadband is not hard to find.


Except in places where it's either impossible to find, or limited to
prohibitively expensive satellite service. Not everyone is in position
to choose to move just because decent Internet service cannot be had in
their area.


True enough.  However, stats I read recently state that most people here 
can get high speed.  Yes, if you live in rural Iowa, maybe not, but most 
people do not live there.  Most people live in high density areas.  I'm 
in suburban Atlanta and get 100 Mbs via Comcast cable. It's faster than 
most on the 'net.


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Re: Plain-text formatting

[Felix Miata]

Paul B. Gallagher composed on 2017-01-23 13:29 (UTC-0500):


Even in the U.S., reasonably priced broadband is not hard to find.


Except in places where it's either impossible to find, or limited to 
prohibitively expensive satellite service. Not everyone is in position to choose 
to move just because decent Internet service cannot be had in their area.

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Re: Yahoo Mail Retrieval Error - Help Please

[NoOp]

On 1/19/2017 5:31 PM, bo1953 wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I Am having challenges with retrieving email from only one (1) yahoo 
> account.
> 
> I Am using SM 2.46 on a W10 machine.
> 
> Each time SM opens and retrieves email for the one (1) account, the message:
> 
> "Sending of password for user X did not succeed. Mail server 
> pop.mail.yahoo.com responded."
> 
> I have no challenges on my Vista and XP machines.
> 
> Any ideas or suggestions to consider?
> 
> TIA - bo1953
> 

Crossposted to mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey - 'Followup-To' set to
mozilla.support seamonkey.

I am having the exact same issue this morning with my Yahoo POP3
accounts on *Windows* SeaMonkey 2.47 and *Windows* Thunderbird 45.6.0. I
do not have issues with IMAP accounts, nor do I have issues using
*linux* 2.47 for the same POP3 accounts.

Ran a log session (see: https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Logging ) and
the following is the output for one of the accounts. Hopefully one of
the SeaMonkey devs can decode & let us know what might be wrong:

 POP3[this=d3b71b0] LoadUrl()   
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Initialize()
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Connecting to server pop.mail.yahoo.com 995 

 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Setting server busy in nsPop3Protocol   
LoadUrl()   
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Entering NET_ProcessPop3 25 
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Entering state  1   
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Entering state  2   
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Entering state  4   
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] RECV +OK hello from jpop-0.1
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Entering state  28  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] SendCapa()  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] SEND CAPA   

 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Entering NET_ProcessPop3 126
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Entering state  3   
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] RECV +OK CAPA list follows  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Entering state  29  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] RECV IMPLEMENTATION jpop-0.1
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Capability entry processed  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Entering state  29  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] RECV EXPIRE-NEVER   
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Capability entry processed  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Entering state  29  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] RECV PIPELINING 
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Capability entry processed  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Entering state  29  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] RECV RESP-CODES 
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Capability entry processed  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Entering state  29  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] RECV TOP
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Capability entry processed  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Entering state  29  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] RECV UIDL   
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Capability entry processed  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Entering state  29  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] RECV USER   
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Capability entry processed  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Entering state  29  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] RECV SASL PLAIN XOAUTH2 
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Capability entry processed  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Entering state  29  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] RECV0   
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Capability entry processed  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Entering state  30  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] ProcessAuth()   
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] POP auth server caps 0x21CAA pref 0x1C00
 failed
0x0  avail caps 0x1C00
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] (GSSAPI = 0x10   CRAM = 0x2000   APOP = 0x4000  
NTLM = 0x8000MSN =  0x1
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] trying auth method 0x1000   
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] POP username
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Entering state  5   
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Entering state  48  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] SendUsername()  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] SEND AUTH PLAIN 

 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Entering NET_ProcessPop3 4  
 POP3[this=d3b71b0] Entering state  3   
 

Re: SeaMonkey / 2.49a2 / Linux i686

[David H. Durgee]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Is there an ETA on 2.48 release?


Beta is planned after 02/03. Release afterwards as soon as possible. An
infrastructure move behind the curtains is needed so as usual the
timeframe might change if ewong runs into problems. If Adrian releases a
2.48 before go for it. Should be as stable as 2.47.


The only reason I went with Adrian's build was the long delays for the 
official build.  As I had to install in manually the normal update 
mechanism still thinks I have 2.40 and keeps wanting to "upgrade" me to 
the now current 2.46 build.  Given this I will wait for the official 
2.48 build to hit ubuntuzilla unless there are massive delays.


Dave

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Re: Oh crap

[Ray_Net]

Mozillian wrote on 24-01-17 16:29:

First place I looked was the Drafts folder.
I saw it there until I hit Cancel the Save then it disappeared from 
the Drafts folder so based on clicking Save I expected it to be SAVED !


But where does it get Saved ???


If you "hit Cancel the Save"  it's normal that it's not saved ...
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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Ray Davison]

Ray Davison wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:


Just don't go changing the letter of the drive Windows is
installed on!


My desktops have five OSs.  I have a 2G FAT16 primary at the front,
and every other partition on the entire machine is a logical.  I
attempt to have all OSs have all the same drive letters for every
drive.  So I attempt to assign them in physical order.  You can
assign your choice of drive letter to an XP boot partition, and I do.
W7, while it is running, is going to be C, no choice.  So while W7 is
running, the FAT16 at the front, which is normally C, takes the
letter of whatever that W7 is seen as by other OSs.



And Mozilla apps are on one partition and Mozilla data -profile, mail- 
are on another partition.  And those partitions have the same drive 
letter on every desk top and laptop.  That way both the apps and data 
are transparently portable.  They internally always reference the same 
drive letters.  So they can be copied between machines and they never 
know they moved.


Ray


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Re: SeaMonkey / 2.49a2 / Linux i686

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

> Is there an ETA on 2.48 release?

Beta is planned after 02/03. Release afterwards as soon as possible. An 
infrastructure move behind the curtains is needed so as usual the timeframe 
might change if ewong runs into problems. If Adrian releases a 2.48 before go 
for it. Should be as stable as 2.47.


FRG


David H. Durgee wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Is there an ETA on 2.48 release?  I am currently running Adrian's 2.47 
release, so that is the next step for me.  I will wait for it to hit 
ubuntuzilla to install.


Dave



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Re: Oh crap

[Mozillian]

First place I looked was the Drafts folder.
I saw it there until I hit Cancel the Save then it disappeared from the 
Drafts folder so based on clicking Save I expected it to be SAVED !


But where does it get Saved ???

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Re: Mail problem moving from Lenovo T43 to Lenovo T430

[Ray Davison]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:


Just don't go changing the letter of the drive Windows is installed
on!

My desktops have five OSs.  I have a 2G FAT16 primary at the front, and 
every other partition on the entire machine is a logical.  I attempt to 
have all OSs have all the same drive letters for every drive.  So I 
attempt to assign them in physical order.  You can assign your choice of 
drive letter to an XP boot partition, and I do.  W7, while it is 
running, is going to be C, no choice.  So while W7 is running, the FAT16 
at the front, which is normally C, takes the letter of whatever that W7 
is seen as by other OSs.


Ray



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Re: SeaMonkey / 2.49a2 / Linux i686

[Wolf]

Moin Frank,

Frank-Rainer Grahl schrieb:
Hmm. The 2.49a2 on Adrians website is dated 12/20 and so is the language 
pack.
Yours is 01/23 from the build id. Maybe you picked a newer build from 
the comm-aurora tree which would explain it.


That's what I did indeed, thank's for your help

Regards
Wolf



ewong is preparing 2.48 right now but it will still take some time. If 
everything goes according to plan 2.49 beta will follow. Or just wait 
till Adrian updates his beta packages.


FRG


Wolf wrote:
Seamonkey is Adrians unofficial release, don't remember where I got 
the language pack from. Never mind, will wait til the official release 
catches up.


Regards
Wolf

PS
the install.rdf reads as follows:




http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#;
  xmlns:em="http://www.mozilla.org/2004/em-rdf#;>
   
 Abdulkadir Topal 
Alexander Ihrig 
Michael Opitz


 
   
 {92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
 2.49a2
 2.49a2
   
 
   



Frank-Rainer Grahl schrieb:
Are both versions Adrians unofficial releases? I just compiled a 2.49 
de and can not reproduce the problem with it. 2.49 just hit beta 
yesterday. I would try it with the next version/language pack which 
gets released. Make sure that both are the same level. If the error 
is not gone then please open a bug against l10n de.


FRG

Wolf wrote:


Problem with German language-pack?

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49a2

Build identifier: 20170123013001

I'm able to check my Add-Ons with   with the 
User Interface Language  selected.


With the User Interface Language  selected, I get the 
following error message:


XML-Verarbeitungsfehler: Nicht definierte Entität
Adresse: about:addons
Zeile Nr. 353, Spalte 32:
  
-^

Regards,
Wolf












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Re: SeaMonkey / 2.49a2 / Linux i686

[David H. Durgee]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:


Hmm. The 2.49a2 on Adrians website is dated 12/20 and so is the language
pack.
Yours is 01/23 from the build id. Maybe you picked a newer build from
the comm-aurora tree which would explain it.

ewong is preparing 2.48 right now but it will still take some time. If
everything goes according to plan 2.49 beta will follow. Or just wait
till Adrian updates his beta packages.

FRG


Is there an ETA on 2.48 release?  I am currently running Adrian's 2.47 
release, so that is the next step for me.  I will wait for it to hit 
ubuntuzilla to install.


Dave

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Re: Fwd: Plain-text formatting

[Bret Busby]

On 24/01/2017, Daniel  wrote:
> On 24/01/2017 1:49 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
>> Forwarding what should have been an off-list message, to the list, as
>> the address to which the reply was addressed, is bogus.
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Bret Busby 
>> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:46:45 +0800
>> Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting
>> To: Daniel 
>>
>> On 23/01/2017, Daniel  wrote:
>> 
>>
>>>
>>> One day, if I'm lucky, I'll get an ADSL standard connection. But not
>>> soon!!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>
>> Ah - I think you will be out of luck, there.
>>
>> The whole landline telephone network is being progressively shut down,
>> in Australia, and, replaced with the forced NBN thing, which means,
>> amongst other things, that the emergency services will be
>> incommunicado, in an electricity failure. We are told that we will
>> have to keep our cellphones fully charged, all of the time, to provide
>> for the NBN and therefore, communications with the emergency services,
>> going down. But, for people like us, who have intermittent cellphone
>> access, "we just gotta die" After all, Western Australia IS a remote
>> community... I don't know what your cellphone access in Albury, is
>> like, but, if it is as bad as ours, you will need a very reliable
>> prayer book.
>>
>>
> No, Bret, my mobile 'phone access is reasonably reliable, even here at
> Broadford, Vic, but, because of my previous poor landline 'phone service
> at my previous residence (Killara on the outskirts of Wodonga), I've
> been using a 3G USB Dongle for my Internet access for many years.
>
> And my ISP is not one of the big, powerful, NBN providers, so I may not
> be getting an improved service from the NBN!
>

NBN does not necessarily mean that customers get the speeds that they
want or expect.

Our ADSL2 service gives us maximum normal download speed of around
8-9Mb/s, or, 1 MB/s, and, in watching my system monitor, I have seen
it peak at 2MB/s.

However, in Australia (where the Internet is officially not regarded
as telecommunications, by the office of the TIO), many people are not
able to get ADSL speeds that others can get, with the whizzbang NBN
dump.

Of course, then, there are the issues such as hosting server
capacities, and, incompetent (or malicious) web design, so that, for
example, I can get Ubuntu Linux system updates, downloading at
anything up to 2 MB/s, and, weather bureau (government websites are
apparently, the worst written websites on the Internet) local
observations web pages, timing out And, in terms of demand for
services, being a factor, I generally get the best download speeds,
from youtube.

So, whilst the NBN is touted as the wonderful, whizzbang, high speed
breakthrough for Australia, what Australia is getting, is like the
electricity supply - "sometimes it works, and, sometimes, it doesn't,
so, if you do not expect it to work, you will not be disappointed".

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West Australia

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 you'll know what the answer means."
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 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
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Re: SeaMonkey / 2.49a2 / Linux i686

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Hmm. The 2.49a2 on Adrians website is dated 12/20 and so is the language pack.
Yours is 01/23 from the build id. Maybe you picked a newer build from the 
comm-aurora tree which would explain it.


ewong is preparing 2.48 right now but it will still take some time. If 
everything goes according to plan 2.49 beta will follow. Or just wait till 
Adrian updates his beta packages.


FRG


Wolf wrote:
Seamonkey is Adrians unofficial release, don't remember where I got the 
language pack from. Never mind, will wait til the official release catches up.


Regards
Wolf

PS
the install.rdf reads as follows:




http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#;
  xmlns:em="http://www.mozilla.org/2004/em-rdf#;>
   
 Abdulkadir Topal 
Alexander Ihrig Michael 
Opitz


 
   
 {92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
 2.49a2
 2.49a2
   
 
   



Frank-Rainer Grahl schrieb:
Are both versions Adrians unofficial releases? I just compiled a 2.49 de and 
can not reproduce the problem with it. 2.49 just hit beta yesterday. I would 
try it with the next version/language pack which gets released. Make sure 
that both are the same level. If the error is not gone then please open a 
bug against l10n de.


FRG

Wolf wrote:


Problem with German language-pack?

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49a2

Build identifier: 20170123013001

I'm able to check my Add-Ons with   with the User 
Interface Language  selected.


With the User Interface Language  selected, I get the following 
error message:


XML-Verarbeitungsfehler: Nicht definierte Entität
Adresse: about:addons
Zeile Nr. 353, Spalte 32:
  
-^

Regards,
Wolf









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Re: SeaMonkey / 2.49a2 / Linux i686

[Wolf]

Seamonkey is Adrians unofficial release, don't remember where I got the 
language pack from. Never mind, will wait til the official release 
catches up.


Regards
Wolf

PS
the install.rdf reads as follows:




http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#;
 xmlns:em="http://www.mozilla.org/2004/em-rdf#;>
  
Abdulkadir Topal 
Alexander Ihrig Michael 
Opitz



  
{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
2.49a2
2.49a2
  

  



Frank-Rainer Grahl schrieb:
Are both versions Adrians unofficial releases? I just compiled a 2.49 de 
and can not reproduce the problem with it. 2.49 just hit beta yesterday. 
I would try it with the next version/language pack which gets released. 
Make sure that both are the same level. If the error is not gone then 
please open a bug against l10n de.


FRG

Wolf wrote:


Problem with German language-pack?

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49a2

Build identifier: 20170123013001

I'm able to check my Add-Ons with   with the 
User Interface Language  selected.


With the User Interface Language  selected, I get the 
following error message:


XML-Verarbeitungsfehler: Nicht definierte Entität
Adresse: about:addons
Zeile Nr. 353, Spalte 32:
  
-^

Regards,
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Re: SeaMonkey / 2.49a2 / Linux i686

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Are both versions Adrians unofficial releases? I just compiled a 2.49 de and 
can not reproduce the problem with it. 2.49 just hit beta yesterday. I would 
try it with the next version/language pack which gets released. Make sure that 
both are the same level. If the error is not gone then please open a bug 
against l10n de.


FRG

Wolf wrote:


Problem with German language-pack?

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49a2

Build identifier: 20170123013001

I'm able to check my Add-Ons with   with the User 
Interface Language  selected.


With the User Interface Language  selected, I get the following error 
message:


XML-Verarbeitungsfehler: Nicht definierte Entität
Adresse: about:addons
Zeile Nr. 353, Spalte 32:
  
-^

Regards,
Wolf




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unable to watch posted videos on Facebook with SeaMonkey 2.46

[Alex Beauroy]

unable to watch posted videos on Facebook with SeaMonkey 2.46
but it woks in Firefox
Anyone having the same problem?
Best Regards
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Re: Fwd: Plain-text formatting

[Daniel]

On 24/01/2017 1:49 AM, Bret Busby wrote:

Forwarding what should have been an off-list message, to the list, as
the address to which the reply was addressed, is bogus.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Bret Busby 
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:46:45 +0800
Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting
To: Daniel 

On 23/01/2017, Daniel  wrote:




One day, if I'm lucky, I'll get an ADSL standard connection. But not soon!!

--
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Ah - I think you will be out of luck, there.

The whole landline telephone network is being progressively shut down,
in Australia, and, replaced with the forced NBN thing, which means,
amongst other things, that the emergency services will be
incommunicado, in an electricity failure. We are told that we will
have to keep our cellphones fully charged, all of the time, to provide
for the NBN and therefore, communications with the emergency services,
going down. But, for people like us, who have intermittent cellphone
access, "we just gotta die" After all, Western Australia IS a remote
community... I don't know what your cellphone access in Albury, is
like, but, if it is as bad as ours, you will need a very reliable
prayer book.


No, Bret, my mobile 'phone access is reasonably reliable, even here at 
Broadford, Vic, but, because of my previous poor landline 'phone service 
at my previous residence (Killara on the outskirts of Wodonga), I've 
been using a 3G USB Dongle for my Internet access for many years.


And my ISP is not one of the big, powerful, NBN providers, so I may not 
be getting an improved service from the NBN!


--
Daniel

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.46 Build identifier: 20161213183751

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