Re: "Updating everyone…" --SeaMonkey Project Blog on 12/19/2018...

[Ant via support-seamonkey]

Ditto.

On 12/22/2018 3:55 PM, user@domain.invalid wrote:
First of all, as a Seamonkey user from day one I have to say a big 
thanks to all the the people involved in keeping this project alive and 
providing such a fantastic web suite for so many years! Your work is 
really appreciated and I think most users do fully understand how much 
of your time and effort is needed to get this done.


That being said: after reading the blog update I'm not very optimistic 
about the options the seamonkey project has because in my optinion 
Seamonkey will have to go for Quantum in order to keep up with the web 
standards and new technology. Without an competitive rendering engine it 
will not have any future. And if this means that classic extensions will 
no longer be supported or loved features will have to be dropped then it 
should be done. Because without an up to date engine Seamonkey will not 
be able to appeal to new users and long time users will slowly move on 
as well. I.e. in my optinion Seamonkey would not have a future without 
an up-to-date engine.


Would it maybe be possible to build some XUL layer on top of Quantum? I 
mean a way to still provide the needed interfaces for XUL, but in the 
end render everything using the new engine?


In any case, I think it would be better to spend effort into migration 
to something future oriented, even if it means to lose loved features or 
functionality, than to spend the effort in keeping something outdated 
alive.


Whatever the future of the Seamonkey project will be, I'm very thankful 
for the people caring for the project and supporting it.

You're all great!

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Happy holidays/Merry Christmas, SeaMonkeyers!!

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Also, happy new year and see you in 2019. I'll be still using SM even 
though it is harder to use it with the bloated, slow, and unsupported 
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Re: SeaMonkey v.2.49.4 and Kaspersky Internet Security 2019

[Lemuel Johnson via support-seamonkey]

On 12/21/2018 10:36 PM, Henrik37 wrote:
When my license for Kaspersky Internet Security (KIS) recently expired, 
I installed KIS 2019.  As many SM users already know, there has been 
some incompatibility between SM and KIS for several years - mostly (in 
my experience) involving security certificate data bases.  My solution 
to this problem has been to retain the current KIS license but revert to 
KIS 2015.


In trying to make KIS 2019 work, I queried Kaspersky Support.  They sent 
me instructions for inserting a KIS 19 certificate into FireFox (FF). 
These instructions don't seem very useful as SM and FF have become quite 
different - as I understand it.


Has anyone else had this SM/KIS security certificate incompatibility 
problem?  How was the problem solved?


Alternatively, would it be worth my trying to replace the security 
certificate file in SM v.2.49.4 with the KIS 2019 security certificate 
file?  If so, where is the SM 2.49.4 security certificate file located?


I see a 'cert8.db' entry in the 'Mozilla' folder that has the same date 
as when I installed KIS 2019.  If it sounds like I am pretty much 
confused, I am.  I am 81 years old and haven't been up-to-date on 
software construction in years and didn't know all that much to start with.


All help will be useful and much appreciated.


Edit -> Preferences -> Privacy & Security -> Certificates
Manage Certificates, Authorities tab
Import
Browse to the location of the Kaspersky certificate, here it's:
C:\ProgramData\Kaspersky Lab\AVP19.0.0\Data\Cert\1.cert
Click Open


Lem Johnson


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Re: "Updating everyone…" --SeaMonkey Project Blog on 12/19/2018...

[user]

First of all, as a Seamonkey user from day one I have to say a big 
thanks to all the the people involved in keeping this project alive and 
providing such a fantastic web suite for so many years! Your work is 
really appreciated and I think most users do fully understand how much 
of your time and effort is needed to get this done.


That being said: after reading the blog update I'm not very optimistic 
about the options the seamonkey project has because in my optinion 
Seamonkey will have to go for Quantum in order to keep up with the web 
standards and new technology. Without an competitive rendering engine it 
will not have any future. And if this means that classic extensions will 
no longer be supported or loved features will have to be dropped then it 
should be done. Because without an up to date engine Seamonkey will not 
be able to appeal to new users and long time users will slowly move on 
as well. I.e. in my optinion Seamonkey would not have a future without 
an up-to-date engine.


Would it maybe be possible to build some XUL layer on top of Quantum? I 
mean a way to still provide the needed interfaces for XUL, but in the 
end render everything using the new engine?


In any case, I think it would be better to spend effort into migration 
to something future oriented, even if it means to lose loved features or 
functionality, than to spend the effort in keeping something outdated alive.


Whatever the future of the Seamonkey project will be, I'm very thankful 
for the people caring for the project and supporting it.

You're all great!

Ant schrieb:

https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2018/12/19/updating-everyone/

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Re: Screen Format Changed

[mozilla-lists . mbourne]

Larry S. wrote:
All the icons which were previously arranged in a horizontal row across 
the bottom of the screen are now, suddenly and unexpectedly, arranged in 
a vertical row along the right hand side of the screen.


I sounds like you might be describing Windows' taskbar (with the "Start" 
button on the left, followed by icons for each application, and a clock 
on the right), rather than anything related to SeaMonkey?


Can anyone tell me how this happened? And, what I can do to put the 
format of the screen back to normal (i.e. what I expect)?


Assuming my guess is correct, that usually happens by accidentally 
dragging it from one edge of the screen to another. To move it back, 
click in an empty space on the (now vertical) bar, and drag it back to 
the bottom of the screen. If I recall correctly, you can right-click an 
empty space on the bar and select "lock taskbar" (or something like 
that) to prevent it from being accidentally reconfigured in future.


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Screen Format Changed

[Larry S.]

All the icons which were previously arranged in a horizontal row across 
the bottom of the screen are now, suddenly and unexpectedly, arranged in 
a vertical row along the right hand side of the screen.


Can anyone tell me how this happened? And, what I can do to put the 
format of the screen back to normal (i.e. what I expect)?


Larry S.
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Re: Copying a single email folder to another machine - How?

[Chris Ilias]

On 2018-12-22 3:01 p.m., Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:


* Manually copy the folder...

1. On your destination PC, create sub-folders in the Local Folders 
account for the folder you want to import.


This step (creating dummy files that you will immediately overwrite) 
really isn't necessary. If you just drop the corresponding mail folder 
into the corresponding (sub)folder of the mail directory with SM closed, 
it'll recognize them as soon as it wakes up.


For example, on Windows 7, if you drop it into
C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles 
\9bzizhmz.slt\Mail\Local Folders\

you should be good.

The only time this would be an issue is if SM on one computer has 
subfolders in the target directory and the other doesn't. You can tell 
at a glance because all subfolders are named *.sbd.


I suppose it could also be useful if you're not sure where to put the 
folder you're transferring, but I assume you already know that.


Thanks, Paul! :)

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Re: Copying a single email folder to another machine - How?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Chris Ilias wrote:


* Manually copy the folder...

1. On your destination PC, create sub-folders in the Local Folders 
account for the folder you want to import.


This step (creating dummy files that you will immediately overwrite) 
really isn't necessary. If you just drop the corresponding mail folder 
into the corresponding (sub)folder of the mail directory with SM closed, 
it'll recognize them as soon as it wakes up.


For example, on Windows 7, if you drop it into
C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles 
\9bzizhmz.slt\Mail\Local Folders\

you should be good.

The only time this would be an issue is if SM on one computer has 
subfolders in the target directory and the other doesn't. You can tell 
at a glance because all subfolders are named *.sbd.


I suppose it could also be useful if you're not sure where to put the 
folder you're transferring, but I assume you already know that.


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Re: Copying a single email folder to another machine - How?

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/22/2018 12:12 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:

[snip]

Evidently question poorly stated.
How do I copy a single sub-folder from my inbox tree to a USB drive?
And inversely how do I copy it to the second machine's inbox?

Thank you


There are a couple of ways to accomplish what you want.

* Use IMAP. :)


I chose POP long ago for various reasons.



* Manually copy the folder...

1. On your destination PC, create sub-folders in the Local Folders 
account for the folder you want to import.



I just needed the reminder that what I wanted was at
"/home/richard/.mozilla/seamonkey/9bzizhmz.slt/Mail/rowlett on 
PCNET/Inbox.sbd/0backup incoming" ;/


And, considering the time I spent in "9bzizhmz.slt" a couple of 
years ago, it should have been obvious.


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Re: SeaMonkey v.2.49.4 and Kaspersky Internet Security 2019

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

I am telling you that you just need to import the Kaspersky security 
certificate like in Firefox. If you replace just the cert db bad things can 
happen. Not recommended.


FRG


Henrik37 wrote:
Sir - I am not certain what you are telling me.  Are you telling me that the 
'cert8.db' I have noted is, in fact, the certificate file for SM v.2.49.4?


If so, do I delete this file and paste in a different certificate file? If so, 
whose certificate file should I be using?


Or, am I confused?


Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Preferences -> Privacy & Security -> Certificates -> Manage Certificates

Should be more or less the same as in Firefox 52 then.

FRG

Henrik37 wrote:
When my license for Kaspersky Internet Security (KIS) recently expired, I 
installed KIS 2019.  As many SM users already know, there has been some 
incompatibility between SM and KIS for several years - mostly (in my 
experience) involving security certificate data bases. My solution to this 
problem has been to retain the current KIS license but revert to KIS 2015.


In trying to make KIS 2019 work, I queried Kaspersky Support.  They sent me 
instructions for inserting a KIS 19 certificate into FireFox (FF). These 
instructions don't seem very useful as SM and FF have become quite 
different - as I understand it.


Has anyone else had this SM/KIS security certificate incompatibility 
problem? How was the problem solved?


Alternatively, would it be worth my trying to replace the security 
certificate file in SM v.2.49.4 with the KIS 2019 security certificate 
file?  If so, where is the SM 2.49.4 security certificate file located?


I see a 'cert8.db' entry in the 'Mozilla' folder that has the same date as 
when I installed KIS 2019.  If it sounds like I am pretty much confused, I 
am.  I am 81 years old and haven't been up-to-date on software construction 
in years and didn't know all that much to start with.


All help will be useful and much appreciated.



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Re: Password/Data Manager Export

[Ed Mullen]

Hawker wrote:
Is there any way to export from the Data manager to some other format 
(Text file, CSV file etc) ?  Specifically I want to export all my 
password - site, user name, password (un-encrypted. I realize I can view 
one at a time in the Data manager but I want to export all of them.


This is to make a back up list, not to transfer to a different 
browser/computer. Using a cloud sync service is not an acceptable option 
for security reasons.


Google leads me to a possible extension called
password_exporter-1.2.1-mod.xpi
https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/password-exporter/reviews/ 


But I am unable to find a location to actually download it from.


You can export signons.sqlite to CSV using a utility.  Google is your 
friend.


https://tinyurl.com/ycz9kz8c



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Re: Copying a single email folder to another machine - How?

[Chris Ilias]

On 2018-12-22 12:48 p.m., Richard Owlett wrote:

On 12/22/2018 10:04 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I know it is possible to copy a single e-mail folder from one machine 
to another. I've just forgotten how to do it.


The situation:
My primary machine went to the shop for repair.
I had to use a secondary machine for a while.
I set up a mail filter to copy all incoming mail to a new folder 
before applying my other filters.


How do I copy that single folder to me primary machine when it 
returns from the shop?


Two options:

1) Network the two computers, transfer over the network using your 
operating system's file-copying features;


2) Use the "sneakernet" (copy to removable media such as a flash 
drive, move the removable media to the target computer, use your OS's 
file-copying features).





 Sneakers not needed. The machines are 18" apart.

Evidently question poorly stated.
How do I copy a single sub-folder from my inbox tree to a USB drive?
And inversely how do I copy it to the second machine's inbox?

Thank you


There are a couple of ways to accomplish what you want.

* Use IMAP. :)

* Manually copy the folder...

1. On your destination PC, create sub-folders in the Local Folders 
account for the folder you want to import.


2. On your temporary PC, open SeaMonkey, go to 
Help-->Troubleshooting_Information, click on [Open Folder], and close 
SeaMonkey. That will open your profile folder in Windows Explorer.


3. In your profile, go to the \Mail\ folder, then open the directory 
containing the folder you want to import. It should be named after the 
server. (For example /Mail/pop.mail.yahoo.com/)


4. Copy the file named after the folder that doesn't have an extension 
to a USB stick or whatever you're using to transfer the data from one 
computer to the other.


5. On your destination PC, open SeaMonkey, go to
Help-->Troubleshooting_Information, click on [Open Folder], and close 
SeaMonkey. That will open your profile folder in Windows Explorer.


6. In your profile, go to the \Mail\ folder, then the \Local Folders\
folder.

7. There should be files for each folder you want to import that you 
created in step 1. In this step replace the those files with the ones 
from your USB stick. They should have the same names.


8. Open SeaMonkey. In your Local Folders account, you should see 
folders/messages from your old computer. At that point, you can drag and 
drop the messages between folders within SeaMonkey.


...but I recommend using an IMAP account for this.

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Re: Copying a single email folder to another machine - How?

[Richard Owlett]

On 12/22/2018 10:04 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

I know it is possible to copy a single e-mail folder from one machine 
to another. I've just forgotten how to do it.


The situation:
My primary machine went to the shop for repair.
I had to use a secondary machine for a while.
I set up a mail filter to copy all incoming mail to a new folder 
before applying my other filters.


How do I copy that single folder to me primary machine when it returns 
from the shop?


Two options:

1) Network the two computers, transfer over the network using your 
operating system's file-copying features;


2) Use the "sneakernet" (copy to removable media such as a flash drive, 
move the removable media to the target computer, use your OS's 
file-copying features).





 Sneakers not needed. The machines are 18" apart.

Evidently question poorly stated.
How do I copy a single sub-folder from my inbox tree to a USB drive?
And inversely how do I copy it to the second machine's inbox?

Thank you


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Re: "Updating everyone…" --SeaMonkey Project Blog on 12/19/2018...

[Gunther Nikl]

Am 21.12.2018, 05:14 Uhr, schrieb Edmund Wong :


Gunther Nikl wrote:

Edmund Wong wrote:

https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2018/12/19/updating-everyone/


(Slightly) OT but is it possible to offer the blog also with TLSv1 using
ECC ciphers (ecdhe_ecdsa_aes)? The main site of seamonkey-project.org is
accessible with TLSv1.

Thanks,
Gunther


Hi Gunther,

I'm not sure.  Will need to ping someone at Mozilla as the blog is
hosted by Mozilla (for now).


Thank you for considering my inquiry. Its not that important, but still  
would

be nice. However, if the blog is hosted by Mozilla then I am sceptical that
they are inclined to change their setup.


Ah...and thanks for the reminder...   we need to move the blog out as
well.


At least my post had one useful result ;)

Greetings,
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Re: SeaMonkey v.2.49.4 and Kaspersky Internet Security 2019

[Henrik37 via support-seamonkey]

Sir - I am not certain what you are telling me.  Are you telling me that 
the 'cert8.db' I have noted is, in fact, the certificate file for SM 
v.2.49.4?


If so, do I delete this file and paste in a different certificate file? 
If so, whose certificate file should I be using?


Or, am I confused?


Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Preferences -> Privacy & Security -> Certificates -> Manage Certificates

Should be more or less the same as in Firefox 52 then.

FRG

Henrik37 wrote:
When my license for Kaspersky Internet Security (KIS) recently 
expired, I installed KIS 2019.  As many SM users already know, there 
has been some incompatibility between SM and KIS for several years - 
mostly (in my experience) involving security certificate data bases.  
My solution to this problem has been to retain the current KIS license 
but revert to KIS 2015.


In trying to make KIS 2019 work, I queried Kaspersky Support.  They 
sent me instructions for inserting a KIS 19 certificate into FireFox 
(FF). These instructions don't seem very useful as SM and FF have 
become quite different - as I understand it.


Has anyone else had this SM/KIS security certificate incompatibility 
problem? How was the problem solved?


Alternatively, would it be worth my trying to replace the security 
certificate file in SM v.2.49.4 with the KIS 2019 security certificate 
file?  If so, where is the SM 2.49.4 security certificate file located?


I see a 'cert8.db' entry in the 'Mozilla' folder that has the same 
date as when I installed KIS 2019.  If it sounds like I am pretty much 
confused, I am.  I am 81 years old and haven't been up-to-date on 
software construction in years and didn't know all that much to start 
with.


All help will be useful and much appreciated.


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Re: Copying a single email folder to another machine - How?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Richard Owlett wrote:

I know it is possible to copy a single e-mail folder from one machine to 
another. I've just forgotten how to do it.


The situation:
My primary machine went to the shop for repair.
I had to use a secondary machine for a while.
I set up a mail filter to copy all incoming mail to a new folder before 
applying my other filters.


How do I copy that single folder to me primary machine when it returns 
from the shop?


Two options:

1) Network the two computers, transfer over the network using your 
operating system's file-copying features;


2) Use the "sneakernet" (copy to removable media such as a flash drive, 
move the removable media to the target computer, use your OS's 
file-copying features).



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Re: SeaMonkey v.2.49.4 and Kaspersky Internet Security 2019

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Preferences -> Privacy & Security -> Certificates -> Manage Certificates

Should be more or less the same as in Firefox 52 then.

FRG

Henrik37 wrote:
When my license for Kaspersky Internet Security (KIS) recently expired, I 
installed KIS 2019.  As many SM users already know, there has been some 
incompatibility between SM and KIS for several years - mostly (in my 
experience) involving security certificate data bases.  My solution to this 
problem has been to retain the current KIS license but revert to KIS 2015.


In trying to make KIS 2019 work, I queried Kaspersky Support.  They sent me 
instructions for inserting a KIS 19 certificate into FireFox (FF). These 
instructions don't seem very useful as SM and FF have become quite different - 
as I understand it.


Has anyone else had this SM/KIS security certificate incompatibility problem?  
How was the problem solved?


Alternatively, would it be worth my trying to replace the security certificate 
file in SM v.2.49.4 with the KIS 2019 security certificate file?  If so, where 
is the SM 2.49.4 security certificate file located?


I see a 'cert8.db' entry in the 'Mozilla' folder that has the same date as 
when I installed KIS 2019.  If it sounds like I am pretty much confused, I 
am.  I am 81 years old and haven't been up-to-date on software construction in 
years and didn't know all that much to start with.


All help will be useful and much appreciated.

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Copying a single email folder to another machine - How?

[Richard Owlett]

I know it is possible to copy a single e-mail folder from one machine to 
another. I've just forgotten how to do it.


The situation:
My primary machine went to the shop for repair.
I had to use a secondary machine for a while.
I set up a mail filter to copy all incoming mail to a new folder before 
applying my other filters.


How do I copy that single folder to me primary machine when it returns 
from the shop?


TIA

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Re: Password/Data Manager Export

[Daniel]

cyberzen wrote on 22/12/2018 7:37 PM:

David E. Ross a écrit :

You can download it from
.


this url can't work
(the file is on your drive D:)


Yeap!! When I clicked on David's link, I got ...

Quote
File Not Found

The file /D:/Web/myWeb/VCnet/test/password_exporter-1.3.4-sm.xpi cannot 
be found. Please check the location and try again.

End Quote

... which is fair, 'cause my D: is (I think) my (empty) DVD drive!!

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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Re: prefbar default user agent

[Daniel]

Richmond wrote on 22/12/2018 7:28 AM:

NFN Smith wrote:




If it's just Google that's giving you this kind of problem, I suggest a
different approach. Instead of spoofing via PrefBar, go to about:config,
and add one entry:

 general.useragent.override.google.com



Thanks for your reply. I had been doing much trouble shooting and
settled on creating this preference:

general.useragent.override

But I think your solution is better. So I will try it next.

It was very confusing to see this preference:

general.useragent.complexOverride.moodle

I could not find out what it is.

It's not easy to find out about preferences which are not there unless
you create them.

Richmond, I had a look at http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_entries 
but couldn't find anything for '.complex' let alone 'Override.moodle'. ;-(


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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Re: Password/Data Manager Export

[cyberzen]

David E. Ross a écrit :

You can download it from
.


this url can't work
(the file is on your drive D:)

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