Re: SeaMonkey and www.slack.com?

[WaltS48]

On 7/23/19 12:24 AM, Jonathan Wilson wrote:
Is there any version of SeaMonkey (official or otherwise) that is stable 
(i.e. no major breaking bugs known) and that works with www.slack.com? 
It was working previously with a user-agent override but seems like they 
changed it and now it wont work anymore.


Is there any version I can use or do I need to keep using the Slack 
desktop app? (which I have just installed and started using)


Who is they and what did they change?

Here is the list of supported browsers.

"Requirements

Chrome
Version 66 or above

Firefox
Version 60 or above

Safari
Version 10.1 or above

Microsoft Edge
Version 41 or above"

Oh look! They don't even support Internet Explorer.

Looks like you have to keep using the desktop app.

Have you tried a 2.53 from here? 

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Looking for some basic help

[Mark Saunders]

HI, I’ve been using Dreamweaver with my MacBook Pro and would like to switch to 
SeaMonkey.

Dreamweaver has a window that has my entire site hierarchy on my computer so 
when I alter an existing page, the program knows exactly where to publish it.
Does Seamonkey have anything like this?

Is there a way in Seamonkey to download my entire site from the web to my 
computer to establish my local site from which to alter pages and publish as 
described above?

Thanks,
Mark
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Re: Win 7/Win 10 support?

[TCW via support-seamonkey]

On 7/23/2019 12:55 AM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


I'm surprised. I remember when Win8 came out it was widely panned. My 
impression was that M$ was alternating between serious systems that 
power users like me appreciated (Win2000 Pro, WinXP Pro, Win7 Pro) and 
playware that held dabblers' hands every step of the way (WinMe, 
Vista); Win8 fit the latter description. Then when Win10 came out, 
even with the various issues, I had the impression it was the pro type 
(this from someone who wasn't shopping, so wasn't reading closely). 
And of course as usual I waited for the beta testers ("early 
adopters") to shake out the bugs before trying it. :-)


So in your opinion they're still trying to fix Win10?



WinME was the successor to Win95 and Win98, it was known right from the 
start that it was the end of the line for that code base and the quality 
suffered accordingly.
Windows NT 4 begat Win2000, and then WinXP, Vista, Win7, Win8(.1) and 
Win10.  When Microsoft skipped "Windows 9" and went straight to 10, my 
initial feeling was that they were skipping the next "decent version". 
That turned out not to be the reason for the jump, programmers had been 
testing for the string "Windows 9" to detect Win95 and Win98 hosts.


They are not "still trying to fix" Win10, they bring out a new feature 
update every 6 months and this tight schedule means some serious bugs 
get missed.  The new beta testers are those who apply those feature 
updates when they come out rather than waiting a few months.


Finally, worrying about compatability between Seamonkey and Windows 10 
does not really make sense - Windows 10 has been out for a few years now 
and a large proportion of the Seamonkey users are exposed to it.




Well thankfully they put to rest with 1903 the 6 months new windows 10 
cadence! It's going to be once a year going forward.

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Re: SeaMonkey and www.slack.com?

[Daniel]

Jonathan Wilson wrote on 23/07/2019 7:53 PM:
Have you tried with just the stock standard SeaMonkey User Agent string?? 
If I remove the override, I get the same "please update your browser" 
message.


I only get the message if I actually try to access a work space (so 
anything you see when you view the main page means nothing since that 
all works even for me)


Ah!! O.K., sorry for the noise, then, Jonathan.
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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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Re: SeaMonkey and www.slack.com?

[Jonathan Wilson]

Have you tried with just the stock standard SeaMonkey User Agent string?? 

If I remove the override, I get the same "please update your browser" message.

I only get the message if I actually try to access a work space (so 
anything you see when you view the main page means nothing since that all 
works even for me)

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Re: SeaMonkey and www.slack.com?

[Daniel]

Jonathan Wilson wrote on 23/07/2019 4:49 PM:

It's seems working with my SM:
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1
If I use that user-agent in the useragent override, I get "Please update 
your browser or use the Slack app".


If I use this (my current go-to user agent for sites that don't work 
properly with SeaMonkey and one that worked just fine for Slack until now)

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:64.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/64.0
it lets me log in and drops me at an app.slack.com url which then 
displays a dark colored bar on one side and a white box in the middle 
(but no content in either box when there should be content)


If I bring up the developer toolbar, I see an icon that says "5 errors, 
1 warning" and I can't see how to display those 5 errors.


Jonathan, I was going to suggest that you update your User Agent info, 
'cause the 'Firefox/52,0' was sooo out of date that it was probably what 
the web-site was complaining about . but then, even with your 
'Firefox/64.0' it seems to not work correctly, so I'm not sure what's 
going on.


Have you tried with just the stock standard SeaMonkey User Agent 
string?? When I enter https://slack.com/intl/en-au/ in my browser 
address bar of my stock standard Win7 SM 2.49.5, with its standard UA, I 
get to https://slack.com/intl/en-au/ so it knows I'm in Australia!


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.5 Build identifier: 20190609032134


User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623

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Re: SeaMonkey and www.slack.com?

[Jonathan Wilson]

It's seems working with my SM:
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1
If I use that user-agent in the useragent override, I get "Please update 
your browser or use the Slack app".


If I use this (my current go-to user agent for sites that don't work 
properly with SeaMonkey and one that worked just fine for Slack until now)

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:64.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/64.0
it lets me log in and drops me at an app.slack.com url which then displays 
a dark colored bar on one side and a white box in the middle (but no 
content in either box when there should be content)


If I bring up the developer toolbar, I see an icon that says "5 errors, 1 
warning" and I can't see how to display those 5 errors.


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Re: SeaMonkey and www.slack.com?

[Ray_Net]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 23-07-19 07:57:

Jonathan Wilson wrote:
Is there any version of SeaMonkey (official or otherwise) that is 
stable (i.e. no major breaking bugs known) and that works with 
www.slack.com? It was working previously with a user-agent override 
but seems like they changed it and now it wont work anymore.


Is there any version I can use or do I need to keep using the Slack 
desktop app? (which I have just installed and started using)


Someone needs to complain to www.slack.com, they need to fix their 
user-agent sniffing.



It's seems working with my SM:
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1

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Re: SeaMonkey and www.slack.com?

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Jonathan Wilson wrote:
Is there any version of SeaMonkey (official or otherwise) that is stable 
(i.e. no major breaking bugs known) and that works with www.slack.com? 
It was working previously with a user-agent override but seems like they 
changed it and now it wont work anymore.


Is there any version I can use or do I need to keep using the Slack 
desktop app? (which I have just installed and started using)


Someone needs to complain to www.slack.com, they need to fix their 
user-agent sniffing.


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Re: Win 7/Win 10 support?

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


I'm surprised. I remember when Win8 came out it was widely panned. My 
impression was that M$ was alternating between serious systems that 
power users like me appreciated (Win2000 Pro, WinXP Pro, Win7 Pro) and 
playware that held dabblers' hands every step of the way (WinMe, Vista); 
Win8 fit the latter description. Then when Win10 came out, even with the 
various issues, I had the impression it was the pro type (this from 
someone who wasn't shopping, so wasn't reading closely). And of course 
as usual I waited for the beta testers ("early adopters") to shake out 
the bugs before trying it. :-)


So in your opinion they're still trying to fix Win10?



WinME was the successor to Win95 and Win98, it was known right from the 
start that it was the end of the line for that code base and the quality 
suffered accordingly.
Windows NT 4 begat Win2000, and then WinXP, Vista, Win7, Win8(.1) and 
Win10.  When Microsoft skipped "Windows 9" and went straight to 10, my 
initial feeling was that they were skipping the next "decent version". 
That turned out not to be the reason for the jump, programmers had been 
testing for the string "Windows 9" to detect Win95 and Win98 hosts.


They are not "still trying to fix" Win10, they bring out a new feature 
update every 6 months and this tight schedule means some serious bugs 
get missed.  The new beta testers are those who apply those feature 
updates when they come out rather than waiting a few months.


Finally, worrying about compatability between Seamonkey and Windows 10 
does not really make sense - Windows 10 has been out for a few years now 
and a large proportion of the Seamonkey users are exposed to it.


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