Re: Is there a way to find out where my bookmark is located in SM's Library?

[Ant]

On 5/10/2020 8:52 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:

On 2020-05-10 11:35 p.m., Ant wrote:
Like what folder(s) it is in? I had to export my Library to 
bookmarks.html to see where my bookmark is under. I was hoping to 
avoid using that method.


Hi Ant,
A great person asked this same question not too long ago. You can view 
the thread and it's answers here: 
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/mozilla.support.seamonkey/tRDQkWgjBNU/discussion 



If there's any part of the answer you need help with, just let us know.


Oh right. I forgot about that thread. Dang brain. Wait, I don't have 
one. :( Is there a compatible "Show Parent Folder" extension for v2.53.2?

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Re: Is there a way to find out where my bookmark is located in SM's Library?

[Chris Ilias]

On 2020-05-10 11:35 p.m., Ant wrote:
Like what folder(s) it is in? I had to export my Library to 
bookmarks.html to see where my bookmark is under. I was hoping to avoid 
using that method.


Hi Ant,
A great person asked this same question not too long ago. You can view 
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https://groups.google.com/d/topic/mozilla.support.seamonkey/tRDQkWgjBNU/discussion


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Is there a way to find out where my bookmark is located in SM's Library?

[Ant]

Like what folder(s) it is in? I had to export my Library to 
bookmarks.html to see where my bookmark is under. I was hoping to avoid 
using that method.


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Re: I Attempting to solve my Usergroup mail opening problem.

[Daniel]

Frog wrote on 11/05/2020 3:48 AM:

On 5/10/2020 6:40 AM, Daniel wrote:

Frog wrote on 10/05/2020 9:41 AM:
I continue to be unable to open messages on this news group while 
being able to open my email messages on the same SeaMonkey software 
(I have addressed this problem in recent exchanges on this user 
group) .   I am now convinced that this might be a unfixable 
problem…thus, I am now looking at removing and reinstalling SeaMonkey 
on my computer to see if that will correct my newsgroup mail 
problem.  I do have some question I need your 
help/thoughts/recommendations on before initiating this action.  
(((Please remember that I am not very computer technical smart and my 
questions will reflect my knowledge level - my fear is possibly 
loosing everything on my computer.))) Here are my questions:


---Will removing my current SeaMonkey software have any effect on my 
Profile and/or my Accounts?


It shouldn't effect your Profile information, Frog  but, just in 
case, better safe than sorry ...


1.   Click 'Edit' the top left of your SeaMonkey Mail & Newsgroups screen
2.   Click 'Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings'. This should display 
information about your Mail and News Accounts.
3.   Select 'Server Settings' on your e-mail account on the left of 
this new screen.
4.   Write down the location mentioned in the 'Local directory:' line 
of your e-mail account. This is where your e-mails (Inbox, Sent, etc.) 
are stored.
5.   Do steps 3 and 4 for your "Local Folders" account and for each 
news account you have set up. Also worth while writing down the newsrc 
file location for each News account as well, if you wish.
6.   Completely close down SeaMonkey  Browser, Mail & Newsgroup 
Screen, EVERYTHING!!


7.   In your Windows 10, start up your Windows File Manager program 
(Explorer, is it??) and navigate to the location you wrote down in 
Step 3 above.
8.   Copy that folder (and everything in it) to some other location as 
a backup of your e-mail account.
9.   Do the same things (Step 7 and 8, above) for your "Local Folders" 
account and for each on your News accounts.


So now that you have a basic back-up of your profile .

---Should I make a backup of my SeaMonkey folders (i.e. Address Book, 
Inbox, etc.) before taking this action?


See above for most of this  no copy of the addressbook made as yet!

10.  In your Windows File Manager program, do a search for 'Bookmarks' 
(without the inverted commas) and look for a file called 'Bookmarks' 
(no extension). Click on each one (newest one first, maybe) until you 
get a screen that has similar web addresses as you would expect to 
find in your SeaMonkey Browser screen.
11.  In your Windows Explorer, make a copy of your 'Bookmarks' file to 
a similar location that you copied your Mail and News accounts.


---Will this action have any possible effect on my email messages 
and/or user group messages?


Not normally, but if you make copies, as I directed above, all is 
recoverable!


---Will this action possibly fix my problem of not being able to open 
user group messages in SeaMonkey?


I don't know, Frog, I'm tending towards 'No', but, at the very least, 
having copies of your e-mail and news accounts, and your Bookmarks 
can't hurt, can it??


FYI, it has been a long time since my present software was installed 
and there have been a number of updates since that time.  All updates 
were allowed to write over my existing software...no start over new 
has been involved for many years.


I welcome your advice on this subject.

Frog


See how you go, Frog, and report back!

Well, Daniel, I have copied (on my E Drive) all of the files included in 
your message (I hope).  In fact, I have three files on my E Drive that 
are normally found on most user C Drives.  The three files are:


SeaM_About Config - Dated 2011

SeaMonkey AddBk - Dated 2011

SeaMonkey Profile - Dated 2020

I wonder if either of the first two (2011) folders are of any value 
today. All three these files, however, have been copied into a new 
folder my E Drive. I did make a search elsewhere for a later address 
book file, bookmark file, and a config file with no success.  Could it 
be that a later version of these 2011 folders, and the files I can't 
seem to locate, are all included in the Profile folder that I did copy?


Again, I really appreciate your help.

Frog


No need to guess (in this case), Frog. Double click on you 'SeaMonkey 
Profile' Folder and see what files it contains.


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Re: Opening an attached PDF file

[WaltS48]

On 5/10/20 4:43 PM, EE wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 5/9/20 11:30 AM, EE wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 5/8/20 2:19 PM, Ken wrote:

Cecil Bankston wrote:

Ken wrote:
I recently upgraded from version 2.49.5 to version 2.53.2 and I 
seem to have lost the ability to open (in Email) an attached PDF 
file I received.  Previously I had done so by clicking on the 
attached file and choosing OPEN.  I can save the file to a folder 
and open it there, but I would like to open the file in MAIL if 
possible.  I downloaded and installed PDF Viewer, but that seems 
to have no effect.  Any ideas what might have happened or how to 
get this ability back??


Look in Helper Applications in the Browser section of Preferences. 
You can specify what application will be used to open any file type.




Appreciate your reply and suggestion, but that did not change the 
situation.  Any other ideas??  The browser seems to work just fine, 
it is within the MAIL part that it fails to open.


So you receive PDF attachments and they don't open in the browser?

What did your Helper Application indicate they should be opening with?

I think if you have a working PDF Viewer extension the Content Type 
should be "Portable Document Format(PDF)" and the Action "Preview in 
SeaMonkey" (Maybe Firefox).



You could use a helper application.



Which one opens the PDF attachment in the MAIL window?

I use the Foxit PDF reader.  It does not open anything in the mail 
window.  It uses its own window.




It seems I misunderstood the problem, and the OP wants the PDF to open 
in the SeaMonkey browser window from the Mail & Newsgroups window when 
they click "Open" in a messages attachment pane.


I hope they resolve the issue.

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Re: Can't use Seamonkey 2.53.2

[EE]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Holger wrote:

Yamo' schrieb:

Hi,

I cannot use the latest version there must be something that happen
during the upgrade...

Black screen on the web module and I cannot post on usenet.


How can I redo the upgrade (there may be a file to remove or edit).


I'm on linux debian 10 amd64bits.



Hello, Stéphane,

i had a similar behaviour (no menu, browser area etc.) after the update.
The reason was the missing language pack.

The installation of the downloaded language pack xpi file was possible
without problems by opening the file in "--safe-mode".

Afterwards I restarted Seamonkey and everything worked again.



It it was/is the language pack should be fixed in 2.53.4. Actually 
2.53.3 but given that the 2.53.2 language packs have the wrong max 
version the fix will only be effective in 2.53.4.


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1635413

FRG
If the problem is only the wrong max version in the installer, that is 
easy to fix.  Just edit the max version in install.rdf.


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Re: Opening an attached PDF file

[EE]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 5/9/20 11:30 AM, EE wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 5/8/20 2:19 PM, Ken wrote:

Cecil Bankston wrote:

Ken wrote:
I recently upgraded from version 2.49.5 to version 2.53.2 and I 
seem to have lost the ability to open (in Email) an attached PDF 
file I received.  Previously I had done so by clicking on the 
attached file and choosing OPEN.  I can save the file to a folder 
and open it there, but I would like to open the file in MAIL if 
possible.  I downloaded and installed PDF Viewer, but that seems 
to have no effect.  Any ideas what might have happened or how to 
get this ability back??


Look in Helper Applications in the Browser section of Preferences. 
You can specify what application will be used to open any file type.




Appreciate your reply and suggestion, but that did not change the 
situation.  Any other ideas??  The browser seems to work just fine, 
it is within the MAIL part that it fails to open.


So you receive PDF attachments and they don't open in the browser?

What did your Helper Application indicate they should be opening with?

I think if you have a working PDF Viewer extension the Content Type 
should be "Portable Document Format(PDF)" and the Action "Preview in 
SeaMonkey" (Maybe Firefox).



You could use a helper application.



Which one opens the PDF attachment in the MAIL window?

I use the Foxit PDF reader.  It does not open anything in the mail 
window.  It uses its own window.


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Re: Unable to continue when a HTTPS connection is untrusted?

[Ant]

On 5/9/2020 2:36 PM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
...
Also, when did SM start using this list? I have never seen and heard 
of this one before. :)


I don't know exactly.  Searching my email archives (not every message on 
this list, only threads I had an interest in) I find mention of HSTS and 
SiteSecurityServiceState.txt in relation to SeaMonkey 2.40 back in 2016 
- so at leat that long ago.


Wow, that long ago. It's weird that I discovered this issue a few days ago.
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Re: Unable to continue when a HTTPS connection is untrusted?

[Ant]

On 5/9/2020 4:49 PM, Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2020-05-08, Ant wrote:

[...]

However, you said HSTS earlier which I saw a few in
https://badssl.com's list. I tried its red
https://subdomain.preloaded-hsts.badssl.com which was probably the
closest to the one I ran into last night, but it also let me add an
exception. It didn't show "This site uses HTTP Strict Transport
Security (HSTS) to specify that SeaMonkey only connect to it
securely. As a result, it is not possible to add an exception for this
certificate... uses an invalid security certificate Error code:
SEC_ERROR_EXPIRED_CERTIFICATE".

Hmm! My SeaMonkey must be possessed or something! :O


Here (2.49.5) I get the message that allows me to add an exception, but
if I visit https://preloaded-hsts.badssl.com and then open
https://subdomain.preloaded-hsts.badssl.com after that, I get the HSTS
message.


Perfect and thanks. I also tried editing my profile's 
SiteSecurityServiceState.txt to delete badssl.com line, and was able to 
get its use the web site risk option. :)

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Re: I Attempting to solve my Usergroup mail opening problem.

[Frog]

On 5/10/2020 6:40 AM, Daniel wrote:

Frog wrote on 10/05/2020 9:41 AM:
I continue to be unable to open messages on this news group while 
being able to open my email messages on the same SeaMonkey software (I 
have addressed this problem in recent exchanges on this user group) 
.   I am now convinced that this might be a unfixable problem…thus, I 
am now looking at removing and reinstalling SeaMonkey on my computer 
to see if that will correct my newsgroup mail problem.  I do have some 
question I need your help/thoughts/recommendations on before 
initiating this action.  (((Please remember that I am not very 
computer technical smart and my questions will reflect my knowledge 
level - my fear is possibly loosing everything on my computer.))) Here 
are my questions:


---Will removing my current SeaMonkey software have any effect on my 
Profile and/or my Accounts?


It shouldn't effect your Profile information, Frog  but, just in 
case, better safe than sorry ...


1.   Click 'Edit' the top left of your SeaMonkey Mail & Newsgroups screen
2.   Click 'Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings'. This should display 
information about your Mail and News Accounts.
3.   Select 'Server Settings' on your e-mail account on the left of this 
new screen.
4.   Write down the location mentioned in the 'Local directory:' line of 
your e-mail account. This is where your e-mails (Inbox, Sent, etc.) are 
stored.
5.   Do steps 3 and 4 for your "Local Folders" account and for each news 
account you have set up. Also worth while writing down the newsrc file 
location for each News account as well, if you wish.
6.   Completely close down SeaMonkey  Browser, Mail & Newsgroup 
Screen, EVERYTHING!!


7.   In your Windows 10, start up your Windows File Manager program 
(Explorer, is it??) and navigate to the location you wrote down in Step 
3 above.
8.   Copy that folder (and everything in it) to some other location as a 
backup of your e-mail account.
9.   Do the same things (Step 7 and 8, above) for your "Local Folders" 
account and for each on your News accounts.


So now that you have a basic back-up of your profile .

---Should I make a backup of my SeaMonkey folders (i.e. Address Book, 
Inbox, etc.) before taking this action?


See above for most of this  no copy of the addressbook made as yet!

10.  In your Windows File Manager program, do a search for 'Bookmarks' 
(without the inverted commas) and look for a file called 'Bookmarks' (no 
extension). Click on each one (newest one first, maybe) until you get a 
screen that has similar web addresses as you would expect to find in 
your SeaMonkey Browser screen.
11.  In your Windows Explorer, make a copy of your 'Bookmarks' file to a 
similar location that you copied your Mail and News accounts.


---Will this action have any possible effect on my email messages 
and/or user group messages?


Not normally, but if you make copies, as I directed above, all is 
recoverable!


---Will this action possibly fix my problem of not being able to open 
user group messages in SeaMonkey?


I don't know, Frog, I'm tending towards 'No', but, at the very least, 
having copies of your e-mail and news accounts, and your Bookmarks can't 
hurt, can it??


FYI, it has been a long time since my present software was installed 
and there have been a number of updates since that time.  All updates 
were allowed to write over my existing software...no start over new 
has been involved for many years.


I welcome your advice on this subject.

Frog


See how you go, Frog, and report back!

Well, Daniel, I have copied (on my E Drive) all of the files included in 
your message (I hope).  In fact, I have three files on my E Drive that 
are normally found on most user C Drives.  The three files are:


SeaM_About Config - Dated 2011

SeaMonkey AddBk - Dated 2011

SeaMonkey Profile - Dated 2020

I wonder if either of the first two (2011) folders are of any value 
today. All three these files, however, have been copied into a new 
folder my E Drive. I did make a search elsewhere for a later address 
book file, bookmark file, and a config file with no success.  Could it 
be that a later version of these 2011 folders, and the files I can't 
seem to locate, are all included in the Profile folder that I did copy?


Again, I really appreciate your help.

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Re: I Attempting to solve my Usergroup mail opening problem.

[Frog]

On 5/10/2020 8:43 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 5/10/20 8:20 AM, Frog wrote:

On 5/10/2020 2:07 AM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Frog wrote:

On 5/9/2020 9:31 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Frog wrote:
I continue to be unable to open messages on this news group while 
being able to open my email messages on the same SeaMonkey 
software...


Check:
right click:  news.Mozilla.org then server settings /
"ask me before downloading", how many messages is the box number 
set for and is the box checked or not?


I believe I have the information you are looking for...my account 
for SeaMonkey newsgroup is my username vs news.Mozilla.org.  Here is 
what I think you are looking for:


Checked - Ask me before downloading more than 500 messages.

Frog


Well, darn, was hoping that was it.
What is your smtp setting (outgoing) for the newsgroup server?
Port 119?


Yes,the Port number for outgoing is 119

Frog


Have you tried setting the news server to news.mozilla.org, not 
news.Mozilla.org?


The same settings in Thunderbird should work in SeaMonkey.

The Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings...News Server (NNTP)...Server 
Name is...news.mozilla.org...Port 119...Default 119


The settings in Thunderbird are the same as the above.

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Re: I Attempting to solve my Usergroup mail opening problem.

[WaltS48]

On 5/10/20 8:20 AM, Frog wrote:

On 5/10/2020 2:07 AM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Frog wrote:

On 5/9/2020 9:31 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Frog wrote:
I continue to be unable to open messages on this news group while 
being able to open my email messages on the same SeaMonkey software...


Check:
right click:  news.Mozilla.org then server settings /
"ask me before downloading", how many messages is the box number set 
for and is the box checked or not?


I believe I have the information you are looking for...my account for 
SeaMonkey newsgroup is my username vs news.Mozilla.org.  Here is what 
I think you are looking for:


Checked - Ask me before downloading more than 500 messages.

Frog


Well, darn, was hoping that was it.
What is your smtp setting (outgoing) for the newsgroup server?
Port 119?


Yes,the Port number for outgoing is 119

Frog


Have you tried setting the news server to news.mozilla.org, not 
news.Mozilla.org?


The same settings in Thunderbird should work in SeaMonkey.

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Re: I Attempting to solve my Usergroup mail opening problem.

[Frog]

On 5/10/2020 2:07 AM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Frog wrote:

On 5/9/2020 9:31 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Frog wrote:
I continue to be unable to open messages on this news group while 
being able to open my email messages on the same SeaMonkey software...


Check:
right click:  news.Mozilla.org then server settings /
"ask me before downloading", how many messages is the box number set 
for and is the box checked or not?


I believe I have the information you are looking for...my account for 
SeaMonkey newsgroup is my username vs news.Mozilla.org.  Here is what 
I think you are looking for:


Checked - Ask me before downloading more than 500 messages.

Frog


Well, darn, was hoping that was it.
What is your smtp setting (outgoing) for the newsgroup server?
Port 119?


Yes,the Port number for outgoing is 119

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Re: Can't use Seamonkey 2.53.2

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:


It it was/is the language pack should be fixed in 2.53.4. Actually 2.53.3 
but given that the 2.53.2 language packs have the wrong max version the fix 
will only be effective in 2.53.4.


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1635413


It looks like the language pack is a good contender.  I've just upgraded from 
2.53.1 to 2.53.2 myself and had the same thing happen.  With the 2.53.1 en-GB 
language pack installed, the browser window showed the toolbar but no menus 
and the content area was grey.


Had to start in safe mode to install the updated 2.53.2 en-GB langpack. All 
was then fine restarting in normal mode.  For anyone not aware, updated 
language packs can be downloaded from 
.


Should this be added to the release notes?  Or is this what is described under 
known issues as:
Previous versions of Language Packs should be removed or disabled otherwise 
XML errors will be shown instead of parts of the application.


I didn't see any XML errors - just no menus and no content.

It sounds like the same thing is likely to happen on upgrade from 2.53.2 to 
2.53.3 if I've understood correctly?




Yes. We can rerelease the 2.53.2 language packs but probably too late. So best 
to disable them before the upgrade to 2.53.3. I will see that it goes into the 
2.53.3 releases notes. Unless you have a specifix need to switch languages I 
would alsways go with the full installer.


FRG


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Re: I Attempting to solve my Usergroup mail opening problem.

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Frog wrote:

On 5/9/2020 9:31 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Frog wrote:
I continue to be unable to open messages on this news group while being 
able to open my email messages on the same SeaMonkey software...


Check:
right click:  news.Mozilla.org then server settings /
"ask me before downloading", how many messages is the box number set for 
and is the box checked or not?


I believe I have the information you are looking for...my account for 
SeaMonkey newsgroup is my username vs news.Mozilla.org.  Here is what I 
think you are looking for:


Checked - Ask me before downloading more than 500 messages.

Frog


Well, darn, was hoping that was it.
What is your smtp setting (outgoing) for the newsgroup server?
Port 119?


Ass I wrote a few messages down in this thread it has nothing to do with the 
account. The association for news is likely not set correctly. SeaMonkey is 
not configured as a protocol handler for news. Can likely only be resolved 
with a remove and reinstall of SeaMonkey and (if needed then Thunderbird) plus 
setting up the defaults in Windows 10 separately. All removes need to be done 
first then a reboot and SeaMonkey then installed first.


Profile data should not be harmed by this but as usual do a backup.

FRG
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Re: Can't use Seamonkey 2.53.2

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Yamo' wrote:

Add-ons Manager - Version Number/1.5


Works fine here. One of my few essential add-ons.

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Re: I Attempting to solve my Usergroup mail opening problem.

[Daniel]

Frog wrote on 10/05/2020 9:41 AM:
I continue to be unable to open messages on this news group while being 
able to open my email messages on the same SeaMonkey software (I have 
addressed this problem in recent exchanges on this user group) .   I am 
now convinced that this might be a unfixable problem…thus, I am now 
looking at removing and reinstalling SeaMonkey on my computer to see if 
that will correct my newsgroup mail problem.  I do have some question I 
need your help/thoughts/recommendations on before initiating this 
action.  (((Please remember that I am not very computer technical smart 
and my questions will reflect my knowledge level - my fear is possibly 
loosing everything on my computer.))) Here are my questions:


---Will removing my current SeaMonkey software have any effect on my 
Profile and/or my Accounts?


It shouldn't effect your Profile information, Frog  but, just in 
case, better safe than sorry ...


1.   Click 'Edit' the top left of your SeaMonkey Mail & Newsgroups screen
2.   Click 'Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings'. This should display 
information about your Mail and News Accounts.
3.   Select 'Server Settings' on your e-mail account on the left of this 
new screen.
4.   Write down the location mentioned in the 'Local directory:' line of 
your e-mail account. This is where your e-mails (Inbox, Sent, etc.) are 
stored.
5.   Do steps 3 and 4 for your "Local Folders" account and for each news 
account you have set up. Also worth while writing down the newsrc file 
location for each News account as well, if you wish.
6.   Completely close down SeaMonkey  Browser, Mail & Newsgroup 
Screen, EVERYTHING!!


7.   In your Windows 10, start up your Windows File Manager program 
(Explorer, is it??) and navigate to the location you wrote down in Step 
3 above.
8.   Copy that folder (and everything in it) to some other location as a 
backup of your e-mail account.
9.   Do the same things (Step 7 and 8, above) for your "Local Folders" 
account and for each on your News accounts.


So now that you have a basic back-up of your profile .

---Should I make a backup of my SeaMonkey folders (i.e. Address Book, 
Inbox, etc.) before taking this action?


See above for most of this  no copy of the addressbook made as yet!

10.  In your Windows File Manager program, do a search for 'Bookmarks' 
(without the inverted commas) and look for a file called 'Bookmarks' (no 
extension). Click on each one (newest one first, maybe) until you get a 
screen that has similar web addresses as you would expect to find in 
your SeaMonkey Browser screen.
11.  In your Windows Explorer, make a copy of your 'Bookmarks' file to a 
similar location that you copied your Mail and News accounts.


---Will this action have any possible effect on my email messages and/or 
user group messages?


Not normally, but if you make copies, as I directed above, all is 
recoverable!


---Will this action possibly fix my problem of not being able to open 
user group messages in SeaMonkey?


I don't know, Frog, I'm tending towards 'No', but, at the very least, 
having copies of your e-mail and news accounts, and your Bookmarks can't 
hurt, can it??


FYI, it has been a long time since my present software was installed and 
there have been a number of updates since that time.  All updates were 
allowed to write over my existing software...no start over new has been 
involved for many years.


I welcome your advice on this subject.

Frog


See how you go, Frog, and report back!

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Re: OT Development sequesce (Was: Re: Ping FRG: following development releases)

[Daniel]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 9/05/2020 8:55 PM:

Daniel wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 8/05/2020 8:18 PM:



Basically only the browser works right in 2.57. Various problems with 
the other components. Usually use it only when I encounter a web site 
broken in 2.53 to check, when I find some time for a few 2.57 fixes 
or test 2.53 to 2.57 ports.


FRG


Frank-Rainer, If you don't mind, what is the sequence used when 
producing newer versions??




Focus is on 2.53.x

We do patches with fixes or enhancements which go into the unofficial 
patch repo when the patch author thinks they are ready for testing. 
Asking for official review should be done at this time too or a bit 
later. Some are work in progress still ok but missing a few thing like 
proper styling styling. Put in for general testing but not into the 
official versions. You cna see this with the different loading 
indicators in Bills build or the floating delete button in front of a 
receipient in mail /news (port of a TB bug lack styling).


Bill picks up the patch queues and so his builds are bleeding edge. But 
we use  builds done with this patches ourselves so really bad changes 
only go into now and then and are usually quickly spotted. One of the 
reason you should always keep you last working version.


When patches are reviewed they will be uplifted to 2.57 and checked into 
comm-central. Some even earlier into 2.57 if they need a bigger 
modification because of changes in the Gecko backend.


We plan to do 2.53.x Betas every 4-6 weeks so once we think that a patch 
level is stable we strip out work in progress fixes for it update the 
official gitlab repos and do a Beta. Only selected fixes or security 
backports then go into this beta branch leading to the general release.


Bills builds switch to a higher version when we cut the beta and so it 
goes on.


2.57 will become ready over time. When it is we will switch the cycle 
over to it.


Fixing up comm-central later might be a treat because of all the 
removals and changes. Best we could do right now is done. Will only 
happen if we can retain the look and feel plust most of the 
functionality from current SeaMonkey. Probably needs more devs so don't 
expect it soon.


But everything fixed for 2.53 will go into the later releases and 
comm-central will be kept building even with its own fixes just for this.


In my little bit I knowledge, I would have thought one version was 
basically an improvement on the previous version, e.g.


1.   Version ! of a program is produced and distributed.
2.   Users of Version 1 find some problems with that version.
3.   Version 2 includes some corrections (but code basically the same) 
and released.

4.   Users of Version 2 find some problems
5.   Version 3 includes some corrections (but code basically the same) 
and released.


etc, etc, etc.

Basically, once a version is "Out the door", all work on it ceases and 
full resources are dedicated to production of the Newer, Improved 
version. Well, O.K., maybe if there is a complete change of coding 
there might be "Spill" version of the already "Out the door", 
'current' version, but nothing big!


With a small'ish workforce of Volunteers, I would think this model 
might make best use of the limited resources! *IMHO* of course. ;-)


But what would I know?? ;-P Not much!


It is basically done like this but on the 2.53 branch. Also backporting 
is done left and right whenever possible to get newer features and 
security updates into 2.53 and 2.57. 2.53.3 has many many media updates 
in paving the road for AV1 and webp support in a later release for example.


FRG


Thanks Frank-Rainer!

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Re: OT Development sequesce releases)

[Daniel]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote on 10/05/2020 1:45 AM:

Daniel wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 8/05/2020 8:18 PM:



Basically only the browser works right in 2.57. Various problems with 
the other components. Usually use it only when I encounter a web site 
broken in 2.53 to check, when I find some time for a few 2.57 fixes 
or test 2.53 to 2.57 ports.


FRG


Frank-Rainer, If you don't mind, what is the sequence used when 
producing newer versions??


In my little bit I knowledge, I would have thought one version was 
basically an improvement on the previous version, e.g.


1.   Version ! of a program is produced and distributed.
2.   Users of Version 1 find some problems with that version.
3.   Version 2 includes some corrections (but code basically the same) 
and released.

4.   Users of Version 2 find some problems
5.   Version 3 includes some corrections (but code basically the same) 
and released.


etc, etc, etc.

Basically, once a version is "Out the door", all work on it ceases and 
full resources are dedicated to production of the Newer, Improved 
version. Well, O.K., maybe if there is a complete change of coding 
there might be "Spill" version of the already "Out the door", 
'current' version, but nothing big!


It's not unusual to maintain one version while working on the next. e.g. 
while implementation of major improvements or new features are in 
progress for version 2, some critical issue (security vulnerability, 
data corruption, or whatever) may be found in version 1.  So a version 
1.1 is released to fix that issue, rather than leaving users with the 
bug until version 2 is ready.


As FRG mentioned, it does pretty much work as you suggest for the 
maintenance of one version (1 -> corrections -> 1.1 -> corrections -> 
1.2 -> etc.).  But in parallel with that, work needs to progress on 
version 2, otherwise you'll never get those new features or improvements.


SeaMonkey has the added complication that it's based on the same backend 
as Firefox and Thunderbird, but with a different UI (and perhaps some 
other things).  SeaMonkey 2.49 was based on Firefox 52, SeaMonkey 2.53 
on Firefox 60 (I thought 56, but release notes imply 60).  So a lot of 
work is needed to account for changes to the Firefox backend, which is 
apparently rapidly changing from one version to the next as Firefox rip 
out features, change/implement new APIs, etc., out of the control of 
SeaMonkey developers.


With a small'ish workforce of Volunteers, I would think this model 
might make best use of the limited resources! *IMHO* of course. ;-)


The trouble is, you'd be stuck with critical security vulnerabilities in 
SeaMonkey 2.53 until 2.57 is ready.  And those would be known issues, 
possibly being actively exploited, with fixes in Firefox but which the 
latest SeaMonkey would still be vulnerable to.


At the moment we have 2.49.5 (old), 2.53.2 (current, I think) and 2.57 
(future)


IMHO, work on 2.49 should have ceased as soon as 2.53 went live, more or 
less expecting everyone to update reasonably quickly. So 'known issues' 
can be attended to and 2.57 dev being main focus!


I really wish I had enough time to meaningfully help, but with the 
little time I'd be able to commit I'd probably be more of a drain on the 
existing team than a help.


You and me, both! My experience, basically, stopped with BASIC, a little 
bit of Fortran and lesser bit of Pascal. Hence my "Not much!"!!



But what would I know?? ;-P Not much!

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Re: Can't use Seamonkey 2.53.2

[Yamo']

Hi,


mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com a tapoté le 09/05/2020 18:14:
> Something in the profile then.  Now the challenge is working out what ;o)

No restart witout any addons, dictionaries...

Work (at this time) with :

Extensions
--

 ChatZilla/0.9.95
 Emoji Menu/2.0.0.0.0.1
 Lightning/5.8.2
 Mnenhy/0.8.6.1-stanio
 Nostalgy/0.2.36
 uBlock Origin/1.16.4.20
 Smiley Fixer/1.4.3
 En-têtes HTTP en direct/0.17.1-signed.1-signed
 User Agent Switcher/0.7.3.1-signed.1-signed
 FxIF/0.4.9.1
 Bluhell Firewall/2.6.4

I may have forgotten some addons.

Maybe that was this one which doesn't work with Seamonkey 2.53.2 (I
cann't activate it) :
Add-ons Manager - Version Number/1.5

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Re: I Attempting to solve my Usergroup mail opening problem.

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Frog wrote:

On 5/9/2020 9:31 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Frog wrote:
I continue to be unable to open messages on this news group while 
being able to open my email messages on the same SeaMonkey software...


Check:
right click:  news.Mozilla.org then server settings /
"ask me before downloading", how many messages is the box number set 
for and is the box checked or not?


I believe I have the information you are looking for...my account for 
SeaMonkey newsgroup is my username vs news.Mozilla.org.  Here is what I 
think you are looking for:


Checked - Ask me before downloading more than 500 messages.

Frog


Well, darn, was hoping that was it.
What is your smtp setting (outgoing) for the newsgroup server?
Port 119?
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