Re: UnRead is Dead

[Gordon Weast]

Mozillian wrote:

Latest Seamonkey using to NewsGroups.

Left most column shows newsgroup names and the number of unread posts -
NOT!

It shows no unread posts, but in the right pane of Subject From ... it
shows posts underlined indicating there are unread posts.

But when I expand the OP (original post) there is nothing highlighted as
unread.

What the heck is going on ?

Currently it is under News.Mozilla.org and FireFox and Seamonky groups
exhibits this phenomenon.


I had that same thing crop up in mozilla.general a short while back with 
a small number of persistent underlines.


I tried deleting the msf file and then restarting Seamonkey.  Now the 
rebuilt msf was giving me a few hundred underlines!


I finally cleared the problem by unsubscribing and then re-subscribing 
to the newsgroup.  That cleared it.


Gordon

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Linux 64 bit version

[Gordon Weast]

I've downloaded the 64 bit Linux version for my Ubuntu machine.

I picked up the current 2.46 .tar.bz2 file.

When I untar it and run it, Help->About still reports that it's 2.39.  
Is this really 2.46, but with the internal version number unchanged from 
2.39?


Since Ubuntu doesn't install the 64 bit environment by default, the 64 
bit version is the way to go here.


I did try to install all the pieces for 32 bit executables, but after 
finding and installing a number of libs, it still won't run. Seamonkey 
is using some .so files that I wasn't able to find for 32 bit.  At 
least, I couldn't identify all the packages to pick up.


Gordon Weast

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Re: SM 32/64 bits ?

[Gordon Weast]

I dual boot between Win7 and Ubuntu Linux on my 64 bit machine at home. 
 I share a profile on a common drive between them.


When I installed that 64 bit Linux build, the file has 2.40 in the name. 
 However, when I run it, 'Help->About Seamonkey' still has 2.39.  Did 
someone forget to update the version string in the contributed build? 
Other than the version string, I can't tell if it really is 2.40 or not.


Of course, that means I see the 2.39 news page when I run on Linux after 
Windows.  Then when I go back to Windows and run I see the 2.40 news 
page again.  Mildly annoying, but not a real problem.


sean wrote:

Ray_Net wrote on 09/28/2016 01:38 PM:

Hello, Tell me ...

I will install soon the latest SM official release version of SM. (2.40)

It is a 32 bits applications - Could you confirm ?


I see a "contributed build" that is 64 bit for linux... but don't see a
64 bit Windows build on the release page...

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#official



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Re: weather.com nags me to upgrade my SeaMonkey web browser!

[Gordon Weast]

David H. Durgee wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 05/04/2016 09:37 AM, no...@nonospam.org wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 5/3/2016 11:24 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

notme composed on 2016-05-04 00:56 (UTC-0500):


Has anyone from the SeaMonkey development team told these folks that
SeaMonkey is just a variation of Firefox?


Probably not. Why don't you? Here's a way to start:
http://geckoisgecko.org/


Let's all do it! :)


That's a good idea, but input from the development team is likely to
carry more weight than input from the user community.


You might have better luck reporting it at 


Web compatibility is about making sure web sites work consistently
across all browsers and devices.




Thank you for the suggestion.  I opened a problem with them.  Others
might want to comment as well here:

https://webcompat.com/issues/2517

Dave


I just tried weather.com with Seamonkey 2.40 and hit their nag dialog 
that won't close at all.  I did manage to send a problem report and just 
got an email response that they received it.


I don't know if anyone there will do anything about it though.  I let 
them know that I won't be using their service or see any of their ads 
until they fix it.


The Intellicast web site works fine, so I'm switching back to that one 
for weather radar and forecasts.


Gordon
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Re: Installing Seamonkey in Debian Jessie (stable)

[Gordon Weast]

Matthias Mueller wrote:

Hi,

i am relatively new to linux and trying to get Seamonkey to work. There is
no package in the Debian Repositories.

I have tried to unpack and start Seamonkey this way: "
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall;.
Unpacked inside my homefolder "~/seamonkey".


I get this Error Message:

user@Desktop:~/seamonkey$ ./seamonkey
XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /home/user/seamonkey2/seamonkey/libxul.so:
libXrender.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Couldn't load XPCOM.


I also get errors when i am trying to compile it myself:
http://pastebin.com/8NpkP0RF



I know on Ubuntu (based on Debian) only the 64 bit execution environment 
is installed by default.  When I tried the regular 32 bit Seamonkey, it 
won't start.  I had to get the 64 bit experimental version, then it worked.


It does seem possible to install the 32 bit execution environment, but I 
finally gave up when I couldn't identify and find all the shared 
libraries that Seamonkey 32bit needs.


This could be your problem.  I don't know if Debian installs the 32 bit 
environment by default.

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IMAP problem with 2.39

[Gordon Weast]

Has anyone else seen this?

With 2.39 on my Windows 7 (64 bit) machine, I'm getting an alert message 
window when I click on my inbox, or click on 'Get Msgs' with my IMAP 
inbox selected.  The circular 'running' cursor keeps running along, 
although occasionally it goes back to a pointer.


'Unable to connect to your IMAP server.  You may have exceeded the 
maximum number of connections to this server.  If so, use the Advanced 
IMAP Server Settings dialog to reduce the number of cached connections.'


This error message dialog box keeps coming up, although I do get my 
email somewhat delayed.  That is, I click 'OK' to close the dialog, then 
select another message and the dialog may pop up.


I have gone into my IMAP server settings dialog and I reduced the number 
of cached connections to 1, which is the minimum.  I still get the message.


I don't know IMAP setup.  Could this be a misconfiguration of our 
company's IMAP server?  Does anyone have an idea?


I didn't see this error with 2.38 or any previous version of SeaMonkey. 
 This is a new error with 2.39.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35

[Gordon Weast]

Adrian Kalla wrote:

W dniu 09/01/2015 o 12:11 AM, zeroleft pisze:

But, and I believe it's something similar for others, is because when a
machine has only 2GB of ram, (and life circumstances do not allow, at
this time, for memory upgrade or for simply buy a new PC), it probably
would be counterproductive try to run a 64-bit system in such modest
hardware.


I think it is unlikely you would loose perceived performance when
switching to 64 bit. But of course you would also not gain any.
On the other hand, your system would be compatible with all 32 and 64
bit applications.


W dniu 08/31/2015 o 10:10 PM, zeroleft pisze:

Just by taking a look at


https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/, you

could think that Adrian Kalla will not provide any more binaries for
SeaMonkey on Linux 32-bits...


You are right. There are four reasons why I needed to abandon 32 bit
Linux builds:
1. My CentOS 6 32bit virtual machine did get corrupted, and as I found
out, I had no backup of it.
2. My builds were taking too much space on the L10n server.
3. I needed CPU and RAM resources for Windows builds.
4. And the ultimate reason is Mozilla's switch to GTK3: there is no GTK3
for CentOS6 available (Mozilla seems to have produced own packages, but
afaics, they can't be found anywhere publicly - which is BTW a really
big shame, since there is now also no way to build an exact one-to-one
build to check, if Mozilla did have to include something in their builds
because of a National Security Letter...).
And there is no 32 bit version of RHEL7/CentOS7, which needs to be used
for SM 2.39+ builds (and my cross compile tries failed, and I have no
more time to invest into this issue).


-> 32 bit is dead. Long live 64 bit.



One reason I have for still wanting a 32 bit version is on an auxiliary 
machine I use in my ham shack.  That one is still a 32 bit 
hyper-threaded machine.  Quite adequate for the purpose and I can't 
justify the cost of a newer machine.  I only boot Linux on it, for the 
most part, even though there is still an XP partition that rarely gets 
used.  I have the XP marked as a POS terminal, so it does still get some 
security updates!


On the other hand, on my main machine which is 64 bit, I dual boot 
between Windows 7/64 and Ubuntu 14.04/64.  By default, Ubuntu 64 bit 
doesn't install the 32 bit runtime.  Now, even after trying to find all 
the libraries in 32 bit form through the Ubuntu installer, I can't run 
the 32 bit Seamonkey.  There is a library it attempts to load that I 
can't find in 32 bit form for Ubuntu.  I hope we'll see a 64 bit build 
of 2.35 soon after the 32 bit mainline.  I have the machine setup to use 
the same profile on both Win7 and Linux.  Having Windows using 2.35 and 
Linux use 2.33 will keep showing me the Seamonkey welcome to new version 
screen.


So, I still have a desire to see both 32 and 64 bit versions.

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Re: Problem in trying to install Seamonkey 2.33 on Ubuntu 12.04

[Gordon Weast]

I ran into the same problem with Ubuntu 14.04, but there isn't even an 
error message.  With the 32 bit version of Seamonkey, when I try to 
execute it, there is no error message, it just doesn't run.


The file command reports that it is a 32 bit dynamically loaded executable.
The ldd command reports that it isn't dynamically loaded instead of the 
list of .so files it uses.


I suspect that there are a bunch of packages that install the 32 bit 
runtime, but I haven't dug around to figure out which packages.  The CPU 
can handle either 32 or 64 on a 64 bit version of the OS trivially, but 
the .so files have to be installed.  It seems Ubuntu isn't installing 
them by default.


At least there is a 64 bit version of Seamonkey available on the 
Seamonkey site.  You don't need a .deb package.



Bret Busby wrote:

On 16/06/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello.

I have just downloaded and tried to install Seamonkey 2.33 on Ubuntu
Linux 12.04.

In following the instructions, I got the following response.


:/usr/local/seamonkey2/seamonkey# ./seamonkey
./seamonkey: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory


Please advise.

Thank you in anticipation.



Hello.

I have since remembered, that, some time ago, I had been referred to,
and, had downloaded and installed, on another system, a Seamonkey 2.29
.deb package, created for Ubuntu, so, I found and installed that, and
it seems to work.

Thank you, anyway.


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Re: Vertical Thread Lines Missing in 2.33

[Gordon Weast]

Daniel wrote:

On 14/03/15 00:55, Gordon Weast wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote on 3/12/2015 11:10 PM:

WaltS48 wrote:

Evan Davidson wrote:

In the mailnews display of threaded messages, there were vertical
line
connections showing the relationship (and amount of indenting)
between
message comments. In 2.33, I no longer see them. (The amount of
indenting is OK.) Is this a bug?



Most likely. I don't see them either.


I wonder, that might be related to the Folder Tree lines being
messed-up
or missing (in the Folder Pane) and there IS a bug on that but
IDR/IDK the #

GW


Not seeing the problem on 2.33.

However, I have this in my userContent.css file since ancient days:

/* set message window quote style */
blockquote[type=cite] {
color: navy !important;
border-color: black !important;
}

blockquote[type=cite] blockquote {
color: maroon !important;
border-color: navy !important;
}

blockquote[type=cite] blockquote blockquote {
color: green ! important;
border-color: maroon !important;
}

blockquote[type=cite] blockquote blockquote blockquote {
color: purple !important;
border-color: green !important;
}

blockquote[type=cite] blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote {
color: teal !important;
border-color: purple !important;
}

blockquote[type=cite] blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote
blockquote {
color: gray !important;
border-color: teal !important;
}

blockquote[type=cite] blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote
blockquote blockquote {
color: navy !important;
border-color: black !important;
}

blockquote[type=cite] blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote
blockquote blockquote blockquote {
color: maroon !important;
border-color: navy !important;
}

and I do have the vertical colored bars on threads.



Ed,

This all looks like it refers to the quote bars running down the left
margin when you're looking at a single message.

We aren't seeing the threading connections when looking at the message
title listing in the upper pane.  That's missing now in 2.33.  It makes
figuring out which message is a precursor to a given message harder to
figure out.

Gordon Weast


Gordon, what are your settings under View-Sort By?? I have mine set to
Order Received, Threaded and Ascending and have little problem in
working out which message is the precursor to the current message.

In addition, in the Headers section of an e-mail/News post, do you see
the References: line?? Clicking there should take you back to the
previous post.


Daniel,

Losing the lines is an annoyance, not a fatal error.  Yes, it is 
possible to get the same information, just not in the simple manner that 
the lines gave us.


I think we're just reacting to any accumulation of annoyances.

Gordon
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Re: Vertical Thread Lines Missing in 2.33

[Gordon Weast]

Ed Mullen wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote on 3/12/2015 11:10 PM:

WaltS48 wrote:

Evan Davidson wrote:

In the mailnews display of threaded messages, there were vertical line
connections showing the relationship (and amount of indenting) between
message comments. In 2.33, I no longer see them. (The amount of
indenting is OK.) Is this a bug?



Most likely. I don't see them either.


I wonder, that might be related to the Folder Tree lines being messed-up
or missing (in the Folder Pane) and there IS a bug on that but
IDR/IDK the #

GW


Not seeing the problem on 2.33.

However, I have this in my userContent.css file since ancient days:

/* set message window quote style */
blockquote[type=cite] {
color: navy !important;
border-color: black !important;
}

blockquote[type=cite] blockquote {
color: maroon !important;
border-color: navy !important;
}

blockquote[type=cite] blockquote blockquote {
color: green ! important;
border-color: maroon !important;
}

blockquote[type=cite] blockquote blockquote blockquote {
color: purple !important;
border-color: green !important;
}

blockquote[type=cite] blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote {
color: teal !important;
border-color: purple !important;
}

blockquote[type=cite] blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote
blockquote {
color: gray !important;
border-color: teal !important;
}

blockquote[type=cite] blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote
blockquote blockquote {
color: navy !important;
border-color: black !important;
}

blockquote[type=cite] blockquote blockquote blockquote blockquote
blockquote blockquote blockquote {
color: maroon !important;
border-color: navy !important;
}

and I do have the vertical colored bars on threads.



Ed,

This all looks like it refers to the quote bars running down the left 
margin when you're looking at a single message.


We aren't seeing the threading connections when looking at the message 
title listing in the upper pane.  That's missing now in 2.33.  It makes 
figuring out which message is a precursor to a given message harder to 
figure out.


Gordon Weast
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Re: Replaying to HTML emails in kind?

[Gordon Weast]

BIll Spikowski wrote:

Daniel wrote:

BIll Spikowski wrote:

I dislike HTML e-mail and almost never voluntarily compose one in
HTML, but it seems they're everywhere these days and I'm trying to adjust.

When replying or forwarding an HTML email, is there any way to do so
in kind automatically? I've learned to hold down the shift key before
hitting reply or forward, but still I forget every third or fourth
time and have to go back and do it again to avoid the quoted material
looking like garbage.


Bill, I thought that if you replied to a text e-mail, your reply was
also a text e-mail. Similarly, if you're replying to an HTML e-mail,
your reply is in HTML.


That's the behavior I'd prefer -- it seems logical. However, on all my
computers, without the shift key, HTML gets converted to plain text,
which looks awful.





Unless you press the shift key, as you mention, which changes your reply
to the opposite format.

Have you had a look at Edit-Preferences-Mail  Newsgroups-Send Format
to see if that might give you what you want??


Let me experiment. Right now I have that preference set to send the
message in both plain text and HTML -- because none of the other
options sounds closer to what I'm looking for. Also, because I've
never figured out how Seamonkey supposedly knows whether my recipients
are able to receive HTML -- I have no clue, so how could I instruct SM???



In the EDIT-'Mail  Newsgroups Account Settings' dialog, look at the 
'Composition  Addressing' page for either your mail or newsgroups.


The top checkbox is for 'Compose messages in HTML format'.  If you check 
that, then just hitting reply will compose in HTML and hitting shift 
with reply will switch back to text, just the opposite of what you have now.


In the Preferences dialog, you've already found the 'Send Format' page 
where you can select which one to actually send.


In the address book, double click on the name of your chosen recipient. 
 The dialog has a choice at the bottom for 'Prefers to receive messages 
formatted as:'.  Select it there for each recipient.


Not as clean as it could be, but then HTML is really a pig when it comes 
to taking network bandwidth.  But then again, bandwidth seems to be 
pretty cheap these days, unless you're on a dial up...


Personally, I default to edit in text and then give me a choice on how 
to send a message.  Most of the formatting is just silly eye candy.  Too 
much candy isn't good for you...In the EDIT-'Mail  Newsgroups Account 
Settings' dialog, look at the 'Composition  Addressing' page for either 
your mail or newsgroups.


The top checkbox is for 'Compose messages in HTML format'.  If you check 
that, then just hitting reply will compose in HTML and hitting shift 
with reply will switch back to text, just the opposite of what you have now.


In the Preferences dialog, you've already found the 'Send Format' page 
where you can select which one to actually send.


In the address book, double click on the name of your chosen recipient. 
 The dialog has a choice at the bottom for 'Prefers to receive messages 
formatted as:'.  Select it there for each recipient.


Not as clean as it could be, but then HTML is really a pig when it comes 
to taking network bandwidth.  But then again, bandwidth seems to be 
pretty cheap these days, unless you're on a dial up...


Personally, I default to edit in text and then give me a choice on how 
to send a message.  Most of the formatting is just silly eye candy.  Too 
much candy isn't good for you...


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Re: Some page when opened go immediately behind ....

[Gordon Weast]

Ray_Net wrote:

Some page when opened go immediately behind the scene ...

Any idea ?


I've seen the same thing, but it also seems to occur sometimes with 
programs other than Seamonkey as well.  That seems to point to some 
Windows 7 setting that got changed after an update from MSoft.


It's intermittent and doesn't seem to be reproducible from where I sit.

It shows up when opening a new page in a new window, not in a new tab.

With other programs, I've seen dialog boxes open behind the parent, but 
not always.



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Re: Stuck activity spinner, Seamonkey 2.8

[Gordon Weast]

JAS wrote:

Gordon Weast wrote:

On Windows 7.

I just downloaded Seamonkey 2.8 and I'm seeing the Windows 7 activity
spinner all the time when the mouse cursor is over either the folder
list, or the email list in a given folder. If I move the mouse over
the message content window, the activity spinner goes away.

When I closed and restarted Seamonkey, the spinner went away for a few
clicks, then came back on continuously. Other than a restart, I
haven't found a way to get it to turn off again. In Task Manager, the
execution time isn't incrementing so I'm pretty sure Seamonkey isn't
actively doing anything.

Looks like there's an unmatched activity on/off setting somewhere.

Mildly annoying, feels a bit like dripping water torture.

Gordon Weast

Go to about:config and change

ui.use_activity_cursor from true to false


--
You either teach people to treat you with dignity and respect, or you 
don't. This means you are partly responsible for the mistreatment that you get 
at the hands of someone else.



Thanks.  That got rid of the spinner.

Gordon Weast

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Stuck activity spinner, Seamonkey 2.8

[Gordon Weast]

On Windows 7.

I just downloaded Seamonkey 2.8 and I'm seeing the Windows 7 activity 
spinner all the time when the mouse cursor is over either the folder 
list, or the email list in a given folder.  If I move the mouse over the 
message content window, the activity spinner goes away.


When I closed and restarted Seamonkey, the spinner went away for a few 
clicks, then came back on continuously.  Other than a restart, I haven't 
found a way to get it to turn off again.  In Task Manager, the execution 
time isn't incrementing so I'm pretty sure Seamonkey isn't actively 
doing anything.


Looks like there's an unmatched activity on/off setting somewhere.

Mildly annoying, feels a bit like dripping water torture.

Gordon Weast
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Re: Sub-Folders Disappear Frequently in 2.1b2

[Gordon Weast]

No wrote:

Hello - I do not know if this is happening to others, I find that groups
of sub-folders disappear after about 15 minutes of SM 2.1b2 is opened.

I have to shut down the browser and re-open in order for them to re-appear.

Any suggestions or something which I have to do in order to prevent this
or is this a legit bug?

Thank you - Bo1953


I don't know the bugzilla number, but others have already seen this. 
There was a discussion a few months ago.


I find that if I double click on the folder that won't open, I get a new 
window where that level does open.  Then close the old window.  You 
don't need to restart Seamonkey.


Gordon Weast

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Re: Disappearing sub-folders that are the target of a filter

[Gordon Weast]

NFN Smith wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:


No suggestion, but a thought: is this inbox set against an IMAP mail
server?
Because the limitation might be on the server end if so, caused by
some behavior
related to what is don't on first connect. Of course there could be a
problem
with SM forgetting subfolders at that level, I haven't seen it
happen with
POP3 mail servers, because I am down four levels below the inbox on
one and have
been for years.

I have noted that in the past a subfolder did become broken in some
way, but
that was back in 1.0.xx days, not in years.



This one is a me too... I'm having similar issues on a Windows
installation of Seamonkey. I started seeing it after I upgraded to
2.0.x. It seems to happen less frequently than it used to, and I don't
have it as frequently under Windows 7 as the report here is for running
under Ubuntu.

For me, the problem area is with a POP account. The first level folder
is one titled z-forums-traffic, and the folders contained there are
nearly all targets of rules.

One thing that I did test is that when the top-level folder's name is
shown in boldface, noting that at least one sub-folder has a new
message, use of the n command for next unread folder won't force the
container open -- it does require a restart of Seamonkey.

I posted a question about this back in April Folders handling in SM2,
but never got any response. I did note in a follow-up that I see a lot
less of the problem following SM 2.0.4, but it still turns up
occasionally, although for me, it's something that happens infrequently
enough that it's an annoyance I can live with.

I haven't checked this behavior on my Ubuntu box.

Smith



I'll add my me too to this thread.  I have an archive of lots of email 
stored under Local Folders.  The tree under this that I have trouble 
with has 50-60 subfolders.  Some of those have additional

subfolders in a tree like:

Local Folders
   Archive
  work1
 projectA
 projectB
issue1
issue2
 projectC
issue1
issue2
issue3

etc.  The list is quite long.  Sometimes folders at the projectA level 
won't open to show anything below them.  It usually shows up with some 
of the folders at the projectA level open fine, but below some level in 
the list, they all fail to open up.  For instance, projectA through 
projectG open fine, but projectH and below won't open.  The triangular 
handle is present for all folders that have subfolders, but some just 
won't open.


If I double click on a folder that won't open, I get a new mail/news 
window where they do open up.  Then I can close the window where they 
wouldn't open.  You don't have to restart Seamonkey.  You can probably 
double click on any folder, but I'm usually pointing at one that won't 
open so I double click there.


To conclude, this problem isn't specific to POP or IMAP mail.  It's 
showing up in Local Folders as well.


Gordon Weast


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