Re: Are you sure you want to navigate away from this page?
David E. Ross wrote: On 1/27/11 7:23 AM, Rick Merrill wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/26/11 6:13 AM, Rick Merrill wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/25/11 9:23 AM, Bret Busby wrote: I use Iceape 1.0.9, which is a Debian version of Seamonkey. It is the latest available version that can be installed using the system pacjakge management. I have javascript turned off. I have the option Block unrequested popip windows checked. Doesn't work. The application is simply insecure. It can be useful, but it has insufficient security. When I get those dialogue boxes, the only solution is to crash the application (use the kill delinquent application utility), and lose everything open within the browser. It is the way that it is. Insecure. Have you tried disabling JavaScript as suggested more than once in this thread? With the PrefBar extension, disabling and enabling JavaScript merely involves checking or clearing a checkbox. There are just too many useful sites that Require JavaScript! If you can do without it, fine, but there are loads of banking sites that require it. Disable JS just does not cut the mustard, except for the truly paranoid, which you are not, and worriers should simply stay away from a computer altogether ;-) I previously indicated how to TEMPORARILY disable JavaScript and then re-enable it via PrefBar, both very quickly and easily. Solving the problem in the original post to this thread takes only two clicks of a mouse on a checkbox on the browser window, two clicks in two seconds. Yes you did, but consider that one only recognized that the need to disable exists after it is TOO LATE! No, it's not too late. What I thought I was saying is that it is not until I see malware trying to download that I know I want JS disabled. Generally, scripts do not know of the existence of the PrefBar toolbar and thus do not suppress it. If it has been suppressed, it usually can be restored by pressing F8 on your keyboard. I have a site nav bar (and a 'sidebar':-) ) but no PrefBar in SM. This makes it hard to follow what you say. And 'browsing' with the Edit|Preferences GUI open is not really an option, is it? Are you talking 'Iceape' not SeaMonkey? If none of that shows the PrefBar toolbar, go to another browser window or tab. If none is currently open, just launch the browser again. It doesn't really launch; it merely throws up a new window very quickly. Once you see this problem and also see the PrefBar toolbar, clear the JavaScript checkbox. This disables JavaScript for ALL tabs and windows. I earlier indicated not to use the Javascript (Tab) feature of PrefBar; that disables JavaScript only for the current tab. Instead of 2 seconds if the PrefBar toolbar appears on the same window as the problem page, it might take 30 seconds to get a window with that toolbar and clear the checkbox. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 1/28/11 5:17 AM, Rick Merrill wrote [in part]: I have a site nav bar (and a 'sidebar':-) ) but no PrefBar in SM. This makes it hard to follow what you say. And 'browsing' with the Edit|Preferences GUI open is not really an option, is it? As I previously replied on 24 January: Install the PrefBar extension from https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/67148/. It is an extension and not inherent in SeaMonkey. However, I still think it should be an integral part of SeaMonkey. I wrote bug #258881 to that effect, but it was closed as WontFix. Are you talking 'Iceape' not SeaMonkey? No, I'm using SeaMonkey 2.0.11 on a PC under Windows XP. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Are you sure you want to navigate away from this page?
David E. Ross wrote: On 1/26/11 6:13 AM, Rick Merrill wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/25/11 9:23 AM, Bret Busby wrote: I use Iceape 1.0.9, which is a Debian version of Seamonkey. It is the latest available version that can be installed using the system pacjakge management. I have javascript turned off. I have the option Block unrequested popip windows checked. Doesn't work. The application is simply insecure. It can be useful, but it has insufficient security. When I get those dialogue boxes, the only solution is to crash the application (use the kill delinquent application utility), and lose everything open within the browser. It is the way that it is. Insecure. Have you tried disabling JavaScript as suggested more than once in this thread? With the PrefBar extension, disabling and enabling JavaScript merely involves checking or clearing a checkbox. There are just too many useful sites that Require JavaScript! If you can do without it, fine, but there are loads of banking sites that require it. Disable JS just does not cut the mustard, except for the truly paranoid, which you are not, and worriers should simply stay away from a computer altogether ;-) I previously indicated how to TEMPORARILY disable JavaScript and then re-enable it via PrefBar, both very quickly and easily. Solving the problem in the original post to this thread takes only two clicks of a mouse on a checkbox on the browser window, two clicks in two seconds. Yes you did, but consider that one only recognized that the need to disable exists after it is TOO LATE! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Are you sure you want to navigate away from this page?
On 1/27/11 7:23 AM, Rick Merrill wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/26/11 6:13 AM, Rick Merrill wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/25/11 9:23 AM, Bret Busby wrote: I use Iceape 1.0.9, which is a Debian version of Seamonkey. It is the latest available version that can be installed using the system pacjakge management. I have javascript turned off. I have the option Block unrequested popip windows checked. Doesn't work. The application is simply insecure. It can be useful, but it has insufficient security. When I get those dialogue boxes, the only solution is to crash the application (use the kill delinquent application utility), and lose everything open within the browser. It is the way that it is. Insecure. Have you tried disabling JavaScript as suggested more than once in this thread? With the PrefBar extension, disabling and enabling JavaScript merely involves checking or clearing a checkbox. There are just too many useful sites that Require JavaScript! If you can do without it, fine, but there are loads of banking sites that require it. Disable JS just does not cut the mustard, except for the truly paranoid, which you are not, and worriers should simply stay away from a computer altogether ;-) I previously indicated how to TEMPORARILY disable JavaScript and then re-enable it via PrefBar, both very quickly and easily. Solving the problem in the original post to this thread takes only two clicks of a mouse on a checkbox on the browser window, two clicks in two seconds. Yes you did, but consider that one only recognized that the need to disable exists after it is TOO LATE! No, it's not too late. Generally, scripts do not know of the existence of the PrefBar toolbar and thus do not suppress it. If it has been suppressed, it usually can be restored by pressing F8 on your keyboard. If none of that shows the PrefBar toolbar, go to another browser window or tab. If none is currently open, just launch the browser again. It doesn't really launch; it merely throws up a new window very quickly. Once you see this problem and also see the PrefBar toolbar, clear the JavaScript checkbox. This disables JavaScript for ALL tabs and windows. I earlier indicated not to use the Javascript (Tab) feature of PrefBar; that disables JavaScript only for the current tab. Instead of 2 seconds if the PrefBar toolbar appears on the same window as the problem page, it might take 30 seconds to get a window with that toolbar and clear the checkbox. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Are you sure you want to navigate away from this page?
On 01/27/2011 07:23 AM, Rick Merrill wrote: David E. Ross wrote: ... I previously indicated how to TEMPORARILY disable JavaScript and then re-enable it via PrefBar, both very quickly and easily. Solving the problem in the original post to this thread takes only two clicks of a mouse on a checkbox on the browser window, two clicks in two seconds. Yes you did, but consider that one only recognized that the need to disable exists after it is TOO LATE! David, I think you are missing Rick's point; if you are on the link from the OP and then close the tab you get nailed by the 'Are you sure you want to navigate away from this page?' popup. At that point, even with Prefbar (which I always use), you can't disable the javascript as it has already been enacted in order to do the popup. Yes, you can disable if you know the site does this beforehand, but in that case you might want to: 1) notify the site that you don't appreciate their clever nonsense, 2) don't visit the site, or 3) both. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 1/27/11 8:49 PM, NoOp wrote: On 01/27/2011 07:23 AM, Rick Merrill wrote: David E. Ross wrote: ... I previously indicated how to TEMPORARILY disable JavaScript and then re-enable it via PrefBar, both very quickly and easily. Solving the problem in the original post to this thread takes only two clicks of a mouse on a checkbox on the browser window, two clicks in two seconds. Yes you did, but consider that one only recognized that the need to disable exists after it is TOO LATE! David, I think you are missing Rick's point; if you are on the link from the OP and then close the tab you get nailed by the 'Are you sure you want to navigate away from this page?' popup. At that point, even with Prefbar (which I always use), you can't disable the javascript as it has already been enacted in order to do the popup. Yes, you can disable if you know the site does this beforehand, but in that case you might want to: 1) notify the site that you don't appreciate their clever nonsense, 2) don't visit the site, or 3) both. My experience has been that the persistance of the popup requires JavaScript to remain enabled. Thus, if JavaScript is disabled AFTER the problem begins, the popup and the page are both easily dismissed, thus ending the problem. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Are you sure you want to navigate away from this page?
David E. Ross wrote: On 1/25/11 9:23 AM, Bret Busby wrote: I use Iceape 1.0.9, which is a Debian version of Seamonkey. It is the latest available version that can be installed using the system pacjakge management. I have javascript turned off. I have the option Block unrequested popip windows checked. Doesn't work. The application is simply insecure. It can be useful, but it has insufficient security. When I get those dialogue boxes, the only solution is to crash the application (use the kill delinquent application utility), and lose everything open within the browser. It is the way that it is. Insecure. Have you tried disabling JavaScript as suggested more than once in this thread? With the PrefBar extension, disabling and enabling JavaScript merely involves checking or clearing a checkbox. There are just too many useful sites that Require JavaScript! If you can do without it, fine, but there are loads of banking sites that require it. Disable JS just does not cut the mustard, except for the truly paranoid, which you are not, and worriers should simply stay away from a computer altogether ;-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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David E. Ross wrote: On 1/24/11 12:21 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Some sites really don't want to let me leave -- they pop up this nag when I try to close their window. E.g.,http://www.mylife.com/ Is it harmless enough to click Yes, I really do want you to fuck off, or should I panic and close the entire browser/email program with CTRL-Q and never return? Even better, is there a setting in SeaMonkey that will prevent them from pulling this? Preferably one that doesn't cripple thousands of other innocuous sites doing legitimate stuff... Thanks. Install the PrefBar extension from https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/67148/. The JavaScript checkbox (not the Javascript (Tab) checkbox) is part of the default PrefBar toolbar. I normally run with the JavaScript checkbox checked, thus with JavaScript enabled. When I encounter a situation like yours, I go to another tab or window and uncheck the checkbox to disable JavaScript for ALL windows and tabs. That stops JavaScript. That is interesting: I did not know that you could stop javascript in mid-interpretation! After I close the offending window or tab, I again check the checkbox to re-enable JavaScript. I also installed the AdBlock Plus extension from http://adblockplus.org/en/ and setup a custom filter to block the offending site. Some sites ARE malicious, but some few have been hijacked and may be cleaned up the next time around - if there is a next time. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Ed Mullen wrote: Which is, basically, saying: Don't be an ass, look before you leap. And, yeah, I know, computers have become sorta like toasters. Still, do you stick a knife in your toaster to retrieve a piece of bread? Didn't your mamma tell you about that? Bad computing! :-) -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ A lady friend of mine told me that at her age she has found that going bra-less pulls all the wrinkles out of her face. Sounds like Phillis Diller! She had some good one-liners. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Are you sure you want to navigate away from this page?
On 1/26/11 6:13 AM, Rick Merrill wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/25/11 9:23 AM, Bret Busby wrote: I use Iceape 1.0.9, which is a Debian version of Seamonkey. It is the latest available version that can be installed using the system pacjakge management. I have javascript turned off. I have the option Block unrequested popip windows checked. Doesn't work. The application is simply insecure. It can be useful, but it has insufficient security. When I get those dialogue boxes, the only solution is to crash the application (use the kill delinquent application utility), and lose everything open within the browser. It is the way that it is. Insecure. Have you tried disabling JavaScript as suggested more than once in this thread? With the PrefBar extension, disabling and enabling JavaScript merely involves checking or clearing a checkbox. There are just too many useful sites that Require JavaScript! If you can do without it, fine, but there are loads of banking sites that require it. Disable JS just does not cut the mustard, except for the truly paranoid, which you are not, and worriers should simply stay away from a computer altogether ;-) I previously indicated how to TEMPORARILY disable JavaScript and then re-enable it via PrefBar, both very quickly and easily. Solving the problem in the original post to this thread takes only two clicks of a mouse on a checkbox on the browser window, two clicks in two seconds. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Are you sure you want to navigate away from this page?
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, David E. Ross wrote: Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:30:20 -0800 From: David E. Ross nobody@nowhere.invalid To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: Re: Are you sure you want to navigate away from this page? On 1/25/11 9:23 AM, Bret Busby wrote: I use Iceape 1.0.9, which is a Debian version of Seamonkey. It is the latest available version that can be installed using the system pacjakge management. I have javascript turned off. I have the option Block unrequested popip windows checked. Doesn't work. The application is simply insecure. It can be useful, but it has insufficient security. When I get those dialogue boxes, the only solution is to crash the application (use the kill delinquent application utility), and lose everything open within the browser. It is the way that it is. Insecure. Have you tried disabling JavaScript as suggested more than once in this thread? With the PrefBar extension, disabling and enabling JavaScript merely involves checking or clearing a checkbox. Also, RFC 3676 states that you should have a blank after the two hyphens before your signature block. It should be dash-dash-space. You have dash-dash without the space. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ I wonder whether any RFC suggests reading a message before you reply to it? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Are you sure you want to navigate away from this page?
I use Iceape 1.0.9, which is a Debian version of Seamonkey. It is the latest available version that can be installed using the system pacjakge management. I have javascript turned off. I have the option Block unrequested popip windows checked. Doesn't work. The application is simply insecure. It can be useful, but it has insufficient security. When I get those dialogue boxes, the only solution is to crash the application (use the kill delinquent application utility), and lose everything open within the browser. It is the way that it is. Insecure. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Are you sure you want to navigate away from this page?
On 1/25/11 9:23 AM, Bret Busby wrote: I use Iceape 1.0.9, which is a Debian version of Seamonkey. It is the latest available version that can be installed using the system pacjakge management. I have javascript turned off. I have the option Block unrequested popip windows checked. Doesn't work. The application is simply insecure. It can be useful, but it has insufficient security. When I get those dialogue boxes, the only solution is to crash the application (use the kill delinquent application utility), and lose everything open within the browser. It is the way that it is. Insecure. Have you tried disabling JavaScript as suggested more than once in this thread? With the PrefBar extension, disabling and enabling JavaScript merely involves checking or clearing a checkbox. Also, RFC 3676 states that you should have a blank after the two hyphens before your signature block. It should be dash-dash-space. You have dash-dash without the space. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Some sites really don't want to let me leave -- they pop up this nag when I try to close their window. E.g., http://www.mylife.com/ Is it harmless enough to click Yes, I really do want you to fuck off, or should I panic and close the entire browser/email program with CTRL-Q and never return? Even better, is there a setting in SeaMonkey that will prevent them from pulling this? Preferably one that doesn't cripple thousands of other innocuous sites doing legitimate stuff... Thanks. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Some sites really don't want to let me leave -- they pop up this nag when I try to close their window. E.g., http://www.mylife.com/ Is it harmless enough to click Yes, I really do want you to fuck off, or should I panic and close the entire browser/email program with CTRL-Q and never return? Never click anything on such a site. They may have reprogrammed the kill' button to give permission to download an EXE trojan. Take your second path. Even better, is there a setting in SeaMonkey that will prevent them from pulling this? Preferably one that doesn't cripple thousands of other innocuous sites doing legitimate stuff... Let's hope someone can do this! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rick Merrill wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Some sites really don't want to let me leave -- they pop up this nag when I try to close their window. E.g., http://www.mylife.com/ Is it harmless enough to click Yes, I really do want you to fuck off, or should I panic and close the entire browser/email program with CTRL-Q and never return? Never click anything on such a site. They may have reprogrammed the kill' button to give permission to download an EXE trojan. Yes, but downloading an .exe file isn't going to cause any harm. RUNNING the program will. So, no harm in clicking the button, SM won't allow running the file, only saving it. Even better, is there a setting in SeaMonkey that will prevent them from pulling this? Preferably one that doesn't cripple thousands of other innocuous sites doing legitimate stuff... Turn off javascript. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Ed Mullen wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Some sites really don't want to let me leave -- they pop up this nag when I try to close their window. E.g., http://www.mylife.com/ Is it harmless enough to click Yes, I really do want you to fuck off, or should I panic and close the entire browser/email program with CTRL-Q and never return? Never click anything on such a site. They may have reprogrammed the kill' button to give permission to download an EXE trojan. Yes, but downloading an .exe file isn't going to cause any harm. RUNNING the program will. So, no harm in clicking the button, SM won't allow running the file, only saving it. Even better, is there a setting in SeaMonkey that will prevent them from pulling this? Preferably one that doesn't cripple thousands of other innocuous sites doing legitimate stuff... Turn off javascript. Exactly the baby-with-bathwater kind of solution I'm trying to avoid. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Some sites really don't want to let me leave -- they pop up this nag when I try to close their window. E.g., http://www.mylife.com/ Is it harmless enough to click Yes, I really do want you to fuck off, or should I panic and close the entire browser/email program with CTRL-Q and never return? Never click anything on such a site. They may have reprogrammed the kill' button to give permission to download an EXE trojan. Yes, but downloading an .exe file isn't going to cause any harm. RUNNING the program will. So, no harm in clicking the button, SM won't allow running the file, only saving it. Even better, is there a setting in SeaMonkey that will prevent them from pulling this? Preferably one that doesn't cripple thousands of other innocuous sites doing legitimate stuff... Turn off javascript. Exactly the baby-with-bathwater kind of solution I'm trying to avoid. -- I've got an icon on my toolbar which takes me to about:blank. You could set the throbber to this in about:config. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Roger Fink wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Some sites really don't want to let me leave -- they pop up this nag when I try to close their window. E.g.,http://www.mylife.com/ Is it harmless enough to click Yes, I really do want you to fuck off, or should I panic and close the entire browser/email program with CTRL-Q and never return? Never click anything on such a site. They may have reprogrammed the kill' button to give permission to download an EXE trojan. Yes, but downloading an .exe file isn't going to cause any harm. RUNNING the program will. So, no harm in clicking the button, SM won't allow running the file, only saving it. Even better, is there a setting in SeaMonkey that will prevent them from pulling this? Preferably one that doesn't cripple thousands of other innocuous sites doing legitimate stuff... Turn off javascript. Exactly the baby-with-bathwater kind of solution I'm trying to avoid. -- I've got an icon on my toolbar which takes me to about:blank. You could set the throbber to this in about:config. If you try it with the example site linked above, you'll see that the popup dialog doesn't contain a throbber, and you don't have access to the main window until you close the nag. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Ed Mullen wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Some sites really don't want to let me leave -- they pop up this nag when I try to close their window. E.g., http://www.mylife.com/ Is it harmless enough to click Yes, I really do want you to fuck off, or should I panic and close the entire browser/email program with CTRL-Q and never return? Never click anything on such a site. They may have reprogrammed the kill' button to give permission to download an EXE trojan. Yes, but downloading an .exe file isn't going to cause any harm. RUNNING the program will. Some people have naively enabled 'save and run' features in their OS. In responding to inquires like the OP's I presume the worst and hope for the best. So, no harm in clicking the button, SM won't allow running the file, only saving it. Ed, I know you only mean to clarify, but do you really want to tell people that? It sounds as though you are saying 'clicks don't kill people...' ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 1/24/11 12:21 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Some sites really don't want to let me leave -- they pop up this nag when I try to close their window. E.g., http://www.mylife.com/ Is it harmless enough to click Yes, I really do want you to fuck off, or should I panic and close the entire browser/email program with CTRL-Q and never return? Even better, is there a setting in SeaMonkey that will prevent them from pulling this? Preferably one that doesn't cripple thousands of other innocuous sites doing legitimate stuff... Thanks. Install the PrefBar extension from https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/67148/. The JavaScript checkbox (not the Javascript (Tab) checkbox) is part of the default PrefBar toolbar. I normally run with the JavaScript checkbox checked, thus with JavaScript enabled. When I encounter a situation like yours, I go to another tab or window and uncheck the checkbox to disable JavaScript for ALL windows and tabs. That stops JavaScript. After I close the offending window or tab, I again check the checkbox to re-enable JavaScript. I also installed the AdBlock Plus extension from http://adblockplus.org/en/ and setup a custom filter to block the offending site. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Some sites really don't want to let me leave -- they pop up this nag when I try to close their window. E.g., http://www.mylife.com/ Is it harmless enough to click Yes, I really do want you to fuck off, or should I panic and close the entire browser/email program with CTRL-Q and never return? Never click anything on such a site. They may have reprogrammed the kill' button to give permission to download an EXE trojan. Yes, but downloading an .exe file isn't going to cause any harm. RUNNING the program will. So, no harm in clicking the button, SM won't allow running the file, only saving it. Even better, is there a setting in SeaMonkey that will prevent them from pulling this? Preferably one that doesn't cripple thousands of other innocuous sites doing legitimate stuff... Turn off javascript. Exactly the baby-with-bathwater kind of solution I'm trying to avoid. It's the only one I know of. If you want a solution, there it is. Not ideal, but that's how they do it and that's how you prevent it. You asked, I told. ;-) -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Everyone has a photographic memory, some just don't have any film. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Roger Fink wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Some sites really don't want to let me leave -- they pop up this nag when I try to close their window. E.g.,http://www.mylife.com/ Is it harmless enough to click Yes, I really do want you to fuck off, or should I panic and close the entire browser/email program with CTRL-Q and never return? Never click anything on such a site. They may have reprogrammed the kill' button to give permission to download an EXE trojan. Yes, but downloading an .exe file isn't going to cause any harm. RUNNING the program will. So, no harm in clicking the button, SM won't allow running the file, only saving it. Even better, is there a setting in SeaMonkey that will prevent them from pulling this? Preferably one that doesn't cripple thousands of other innocuous sites doing legitimate stuff... Turn off javascript. Exactly the baby-with-bathwater kind of solution I'm trying to avoid. -- I've got an icon on my toolbar which takes me to about:blank. You could set the throbber to this in about:config. If you try it with the example site linked above, you'll see that the popup dialog doesn't contain a throbber, No, but the main SM screen under the pop-up DOES contain the unmodified SM window. Won't help anyway ... clicking on anything to link away from the page doesn't matter. You still have to repsong to the pop-up. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Unable to close TROUSER.ZIP! - Replace floppy and retry (Y/N)? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rick Merrill wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Some sites really don't want to let me leave -- they pop up this nag when I try to close their window. E.g., http://www.mylife.com/ Is it harmless enough to click Yes, I really do want you to fuck off, or should I panic and close the entire browser/email program with CTRL-Q and never return? Never click anything on such a site. They may have reprogrammed the kill' button to give permission to download an EXE trojan. Yes, but downloading an .exe file isn't going to cause any harm. RUNNING the program will. Some people have naively enabled 'save and run' features in their OS. In responding to inquires like the OP's I presume the worst and hope for the best. So, no harm in clicking the button, SM won't allow running the file, only saving it. Ed, I know you only mean to clarify, but do you really want to tell people that? It sounds as though you are saying 'clicks don't kill people...' Well, in the defined context of what I said, yes. No Mozilla browser of which I'm aware will allow an executable to run, only option is to save. That means the user will have to then go find the offending file and make a conscious effort to click and run it. If so, that user deserves what the they get because they haven't a clue about what they are doing. Drive a car without wearing a seatbelt. I always wear one and not because the gummint tells me to - because my life has been saved more than once by wearing them. And, no, clicks don't kill people. People kill themselves when they haven't bothered to educate themselves about clicking. Carrying the gun analogy on ... in October I visited friends in Colorado. He (a Navy Captain) took me to his shooting range. Safety was his first concern. But I got to fire (as many shots as I cared to) about 8 weapons including an AR-15. I was happily nailing targets a couple of hundred yards away. With my friend's expert guidance it was a safe experience. And a learning one. I like learning. It's why I'm here. No. Clicks don't kill people. People who don't know what a click can do kill computers. But, to my knowledge, no one has ever died from uninformed and stupid computing. Oh, ok, maybe some bank accounts rifled and such but, still, clicking and killing? Not. So, yes, clicks don't kill anyone. Clicking when you don't have a clue ... yeah, study before you click. Don't drive without studying how. Don't shoot without studying how. Don't work on the electrical system in your house before studying. Etc. Which is, basically, saying: Don't be an ass, look before you leap. And, yeah, I know, computers have become sorta like toasters. Still, do you stick a knife in your toaster to retrieve a piece of bread? Didn't your mamma tell you about that? Bad computing! :-) -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ A lady friend of mine told me that at her age she has found that going bra-less pulls all the wrinkles out of her face. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Are you sure you want to navigate away from this page?
Roger Fink wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Roger Fink wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Some sites really don't want to let me leave -- they pop up this nag when I try to close their window. E.g.,http://www.mylife.com/ Is it harmless enough to click Yes, I really do want you to fuck off, or should I panic and close the entire browser/email program with CTRL-Q and never return? Never click anything on such a site. They may have reprogrammed the kill' button to give permission to download an EXE trojan. Yes, but downloading an .exe file isn't going to cause any harm. RUNNING the program will. So, no harm in clicking the button, SM won't allow running the file, only saving it. Even better, is there a setting in SeaMonkey that will prevent them from pulling this? Preferably one that doesn't cripple thousands of other innocuous sites doing legitimate stuff... Turn off javascript. Exactly the baby-with-bathwater kind of solution I'm trying to avoid. -- I've got an icon on my toolbar which takes me to about:blank. You could set the throbber to this in about:config. If you try it with the example site linked above, you'll see that the popup dialog doesn't contain a throbber, and you don't have access to the main window until you close the nag. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. I'm referring to the throbber in Seamonkey, not anything on the website. So'm I. With the nag showing, any click in the SeaMonkey window outside the nag gets you an error clunk. So like I said perfectly clearly the first time, the popup dialog doesn't contain a throbber, and you don't have access to the main window until you close the nag. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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David E. Ross wrote: On 1/24/11 12:21 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Some sites really don't want to let me leave -- they pop up this nag when I try to close their window. E.g.,http://www.mylife.com/ Is it harmless enough to click Yes, I really do want you to fuck off, or should I panic and close the entire browser/email program with CTRL-Q and never return? Even better, is there a setting in SeaMonkey that will prevent them from pulling this? Preferably one that doesn't cripple thousands of other innocuous sites doing legitimate stuff... Thanks. Install the PrefBar extension from https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/67148/. The JavaScript checkbox (not the Javascript (Tab) checkbox) is part of the default PrefBar toolbar. I normally run with the JavaScript checkbox checked, thus with JavaScript enabled. When I encounter a situation like yours, I go to another tab or window and uncheck the checkbox to disable JavaScript for ALL windows and tabs. That stops JavaScript. After I close the offending window or tab, I again check the checkbox to re-enable JavaScript. Sounds tempting, thanks. I also installed the AdBlock Plus extension from http://adblockplus.org/en/ and setup a custom filter to block the offending site. Well, I can't know it's an offending site until after the fact... ;-\ What would be really cool is if ABP could block the nag but let the rest of the content through. Unfortunately, it has no URL to operate on. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
