Re: "Keep me logged in"

[NoOp]

On 01/18/2012 05:43 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 1/18/12 2:47 PM, NoOp wrote:
...
>> Instead while on a browser page: Tools|SQLite Manager
>> Open cookies.sqlite & modify the date there. For example I allowed a
>> cookie to be set (I normally delete when closing the session) and the
>> expiry (INTEGER) is: 1390075201
>> That decodes as:
>> Sat Jan 18 12:00:01 PST 2014
>> 
>> $ date -d @1390075201
>> Sat Jan 18 12:00:01 PST 2014
>> 
>> If you wish to modify that to 2100 then you'll need to work out the
>> seconds (seconds since 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC). However, you'll find
>> that 2100 gives:
>> $ date +%s -d 2100-01-18t12:00
>> date: invalid date `2100-01-18t12:00'
>> 
>> so change to something reasonable, like 2030:
>> $ date +%s -d "2030-01-18 12:00Z"
>> 1894968000
>> $ date -d @1894968000
>> Fri Jan 18 04:00:00 PST 2030
>> 
>> So now change the expiry 1390075201 to 1894968000 and the cookie won't
>> expire until Jan 18, 2030.
>> 
> 
> When I select Tools on the SeaMonkey menu bar, I do not see any SQLite
> Manager, not even on any of the submenus.  Did you install SQLite
> Manager on your system?  If so, what version?
> 

It must have been installed some time ago as I can't remember when.
SQLite Manager 0.7.7
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/sqlite-manager/
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Re: "Keep me logged in"

[David E. Ross]

On 1/18/12 2:47 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 01/16/2012 02:49 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 1/16/12 1:47 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
> ...
>>> Is it posssible to modify the cookie in such a way that the expiration 
>>> date will be 1/1/2100 ?
>>>
>>
>> Locate the cookie in the cookies.sqlite database.  Locate within the
>> cookie the expiration date; RFC 6265 at
>>  should be useful for that.
>> Edit it with a hex editor.
> 
> Instead while on a browser page: Tools|SQLite Manager
> Open cookies.sqlite & modify the date there. For example I allowed a
> cookie to be set (I normally delete when closing the session) and the
> expiry (INTEGER) is: 1390075201
> That decodes as:
> Sat Jan 18 12:00:01 PST 2014
> 
> $ date -d @1390075201
> Sat Jan 18 12:00:01 PST 2014
> 
> If you wish to modify that to 2100 then you'll need to work out the
> seconds (seconds since 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC). However, you'll find
> that 2100 gives:
> $ date +%s -d 2100-01-18t12:00
> date: invalid date `2100-01-18t12:00'
> 
> so change to something reasonable, like 2030:
> $ date +%s -d "2030-01-18 12:00Z"
> 1894968000
> $ date -d @1894968000
> Fri Jan 18 04:00:00 PST 2030
> 
> So now change the expiry 1390075201 to 1894968000 and the cookie won't
> expire until Jan 18, 2030.
> 

When I select Tools on the SeaMonkey menu bar, I do not see any SQLite
Manager, not even on any of the submenus.  Did you install SQLite
Manager on your system?  If so, what version?

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Re: "Keep me logged in"

[NoOp]

On 01/16/2012 02:49 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 1/16/12 1:47 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
...
>> Is it posssible to modify the cookie in such a way that the expiration 
>> date will be 1/1/2100 ?
>> 
> 
> Locate the cookie in the cookies.sqlite database.  Locate within the
> cookie the expiration date; RFC 6265 at
>  should be useful for that.
> Edit it with a hex editor.

Instead while on a browser page: Tools|SQLite Manager
Open cookies.sqlite & modify the date there. For example I allowed a
cookie to be set (I normally delete when closing the session) and the
expiry (INTEGER) is: 1390075201
That decodes as:
Sat Jan 18 12:00:01 PST 2014

$ date -d @1390075201
Sat Jan 18 12:00:01 PST 2014

If you wish to modify that to 2100 then you'll need to work out the
seconds (seconds since 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC). However, you'll find
that 2100 gives:
$ date +%s -d 2100-01-18t12:00
date: invalid date `2100-01-18t12:00'

so change to something reasonable, like 2030:
$ date +%s -d "2030-01-18 12:00Z"
1894968000
$ date -d @1894968000
Fri Jan 18 04:00:00 PST 2030

So now change the expiry 1390075201 to 1894968000 and the cookie won't
expire until Jan 18, 2030.

> 
> See also bug #355048 at
> .
> 
> You might also find the following bug reports interesting:
> #87296 at 
> #692315 at 
> 

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Re: "Keep me logged in"

[David E. Ross]

On 1/17/12 7:56 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> Not@home wrote:
> 
>> I go to a web site daily, and it is often slow. I assumed this is
>> because they have a relatively small server. So would keeping yourself
>> logged into such a site slow it down for everyone else?
> 
> Why should it? The fact that you still have a cookie of theirs sitting 
> on your computer doesn't tie up any of their resources, it just helps 
> their site know what to do in response to your mouse clicks.
> 
> Now, if you were continuously streaming their videos or something, that 
> would be a different story.
> 

Correct.  You are actually using their Web server only when you send it
a request (e.g., for a page) and when it sends you a response (e.g., the
HTML for a page).

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Re: "Keep me logged in"

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Not@home wrote:


I go to a web site daily, and it is often slow. I assumed this is
because they have a relatively small server. So would keeping yourself
logged into such a site slow it down for everyone else?


Why should it? The fact that you still have a cookie of theirs sitting 
on your computer doesn't tie up any of their resources, it just helps 
their site know what to do in response to your mouse clicks.


Now, if you were continuously streaming their videos or something, that 
would be a different story.


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Re: "Keep me logged in"

[David E. Ross]

On 1/16/12 8:30 PM, DoctorBill wrote:
> DoctorBill wrote:
>> When logging into some web sites I visit, I see that when I go back,
>> I am still logged in. Some not
>>
>> Some sites make me log in every 5 minutes or so of not having them
>> onscreen all the time.
>>
>> So what is happening - cookies being placed ?
>>
>> If so - are they ALWAYS in the cookie file or are other methods employed ?
>>
>> If so, I would like to figure out how to make these log-in's permanent.
>>
>> DoctorBill
> 
> Here is what I want to do  - did this in previous SeaMonkey versions
> 
> I got all the cookies set up the way I wanted them for a session - 
> mostly the "Log-in" cookies.
> 
> Then I saved the cookie file in a close-by-directory with a new name 
> like - "Perm-Cookies.txt".
> 
> Then I wrote a batch file to start SeaMonkey wherein the current 
> cookie.txt was overwritten by the old, saved perm-cookie.txt.
> Involved some deleting, name changing and copying over moves.
> 
> Worked great the way I wanted it to - then they go and change 
> everything.
> 
> Writing batch files is getting harder to do - with XP I get messed up 
> with long filenames versus the old truncated short filenames - they are 
> all mixed up in XP's use of batch files and sometimes nothing works !
> 
> DoctorBill
> 

I did a very similar thing but for cookies.sqlite.  Now, however, the
affected software (Toolkit?) recognizes and honors read-only status for
files.  So I setup my cookies exactly the way I wanted and then marked
cookies.sqlite as read-only.  Thus, I eliminated the need for a script.

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Re: "Keep me logged in"

[Not@home]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/16/12 10:49 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

When logging into some web sites I visit, I see that when I go back,
I am still logged in.   Some not

Some sites make me log in every 5 minutes or so of not having them
onscreen all the time.

So what is happening - cookies being placed ?

If so - are they ALWAYS in the cookie file or are other methods employed ?

If so, I would like to figure out how to make these log-in's permanent.

DoctorBill


All that is a function of the Web site.  In general, the site is timing
how long it has been since the last time you accessed its Web server,
how long you have been inactive on the site.   Some sites even allow you
to set the allowed duration of inactivity.

For financial and sales sites, this is a safety feature.  You are logged
out after some period of inactivity to prevent someone else from using
your login.  After all, many bank transactions or consumer purchases are
done online from the work place where other individuals are present.

I go to a web site daily, and it is often slow.  I assumed this is 
because they have a relatively small server.  So would keeping yourself 
logged into such a site slow it down for everyone else?

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Re: "Keep me logged in"

[DoctorBill]

DoctorBill wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:

When logging into some web sites I visit, I see that when I go back,
I am still logged in. Some not

Some sites make me log in every 5 minutes or so of not having them
onscreen all the time.

So what is happening - cookies being placed ?

If so - are they ALWAYS in the cookie file or are other methods
employed ?

If so, I would like to figure out how to make these log-in's permanent.

DoctorBill


Here is what I want to do - did this in previous SeaMonkey versions

I got all the cookies set up the way I wanted them for a session -
mostly the "Log-in" cookies.

Then I saved the cookie file in a close-by-directory with a new name
like - "Perm-Cookies.txt".

Then I wrote a batch file to start SeaMonkey wherein the current
cookie.txt was overwritten by the old, saved perm-cookie.txt.
Involved some deleting, name changing and copying over moves.

Worked great the way I wanted it to - then they go and change
everything.

Writing batch files is getting harder to do - with XP I get messed up
with long filenames versus the old truncated short filenames - they are
all mixed up in XP's use of batch files and sometimes nothing works !

DoctorBill



What are the

cookies.sqlite-shm
and
cookies.sqlite-wal ?

cookies.sqlite.bak I understand.

Can the cookies.sqlite file be read and revised with a word processor ?

DoctorBill



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Re: "Keep me logged in"

[Ray_Net]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/16/12 1:47 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:


When logging into some web sites I visit, I see that when I go back,
I am still logged in. Some not

Some sites make me log in every 5 minutes or so of not having them
onscreen all the time.

So what is happening - cookies being placed ?

Certainly.


If so - are they ALWAYS in the cookie file or are other methods
employed ?

If so, I would like to figure out how to make these log-in's
permanent.

Cookies specify an expiration date and time, some longer than others.
Anything longer than a year is "permanent" for most practical
purposes. But you can't force a site to set a permanent cookie, and
you can't keep them from clearing an aged one. The most you can do, if
you really want the busybodies tracking your every move, is to accept
all cookies and never clear them.


Is it posssible to modify the cookie in such a way that the expiration
date will be 1/1/2100 ?


Locate the cookie in the cookies.sqlite database.

cookies.txt did not exist anymore ? gr... :-)
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Re: "Keep me logged in"

[DoctorBill]

DoctorBill wrote:

When logging into some web sites I visit, I see that when I go back,
I am still logged in. Some not

Some sites make me log in every 5 minutes or so of not having them
onscreen all the time.

So what is happening - cookies being placed ?

If so - are they ALWAYS in the cookie file or are other methods employed ?

If so, I would like to figure out how to make these log-in's permanent.

DoctorBill


Here is what I want to do  - did this in previous SeaMonkey versions

I got all the cookies set up the way I wanted them for a session - 
mostly the "Log-in" cookies.


Then I saved the cookie file in a close-by-directory with a new name 
like - "Perm-Cookies.txt".


Then I wrote a batch file to start SeaMonkey wherein the current 
cookie.txt was overwritten by the old, saved perm-cookie.txt.

Involved some deleting, name changing and copying over moves.

Worked great the way I wanted it to - then they go and change 
everything.


Writing batch files is getting harder to do - with XP I get messed up 
with long filenames versus the old truncated short filenames - they are 
all mixed up in XP's use of batch files and sometimes nothing works !


DoctorBill

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Re: "Keep me logged in"

[DoctorBill]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/16/12 10:49 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

When logging into some web sites I visit, I see that when I go back,
I am still logged in.   Some not

Some sites make me log in every 5 minutes or so of not having them
onscreen all the time.

So what is happening - cookies being placed ?

If so - are they ALWAYS in the cookie file or are other methods employed ?

If so, I would like to figure out how to make these log-in's permanent.

DoctorBill


All that is a function of the Web site.  In general, the site is timing
how long it has been since the last time you accessed its Web server,
how long you have been inactive on the site.   Some sites even allow you
to set the allowed duration of inactivity.

For financial and sales sites, this is a safety feature.  You are logged
out after some period of inactivity to prevent someone else from using
your login.  After all, many bank transactions or consumer purchases are
done online from the work place where other individuals are present.



I can understand Banks and Financial and stocks, etc.

But not a Black Powder Cartridge Reloading web site !

DoctorBill

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Re: "Keep me logged in"

[David E. Ross]

On 1/16/12 1:47 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
> Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>> DoctorBill wrote:
>>
>>> When logging into some web sites I visit, I see that when I go back,
>>> I am still logged in. Some not
>>>
>>> Some sites make me log in every 5 minutes or so of not having them
>>> onscreen all the time.
>>>
>>> So what is happening - cookies being placed ?
>>
>> Certainly.
>>
>>> If so - are they ALWAYS in the cookie file or are other methods
>>> employed ?
>>>
>>> If so, I would like to figure out how to make these log-in's
>>> permanent.
>>
>> Cookies specify an expiration date and time, some longer than others. 
>> Anything longer than a year is "permanent" for most practical 
>> purposes. But you can't force a site to set a permanent cookie, and 
>> you can't keep them from clearing an aged one. The most you can do, if 
>> you really want the busybodies tracking your every move, is to accept 
>> all cookies and never clear them.
>>
> Is it posssible to modify the cookie in such a way that the expiration 
> date will be 1/1/2100 ?
> 

Locate the cookie in the cookies.sqlite database.  Locate within the
cookie the expiration date; RFC 6265 at
 should be useful for that.
Edit it with a hex editor.

See also bug #355048 at
.

You might also find the following bug reports interesting:
#87296 at 
#692315 at 

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Re: "Keep me logged in"

[Ray_Net]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

DoctorBill wrote:


When logging into some web sites I visit, I see that when I go back,
I am still logged in. Some not

Some sites make me log in every 5 minutes or so of not having them
onscreen all the time.

So what is happening - cookies being placed ?


Certainly.


If so - are they ALWAYS in the cookie file or are other methods
employed ?

If so, I would like to figure out how to make these log-in's
permanent.


Cookies specify an expiration date and time, some longer than others. 
Anything longer than a year is "permanent" for most practical 
purposes. But you can't force a site to set a permanent cookie, and 
you can't keep them from clearing an aged one. The most you can do, if 
you really want the busybodies tracking your every move, is to accept 
all cookies and never clear them.


Is it posssible to modify the cookie in such a way that the expiration 
date will be 1/1/2100 ?

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Re: "Keep me logged in"

[Paul B. Gallagher]

DoctorBill wrote:


When logging into some web sites I visit, I see that when I go back,
I am still logged in. Some not

Some sites make me log in every 5 minutes or so of not having them
onscreen all the time.

So what is happening - cookies being placed ?


Certainly.


If so - are they ALWAYS in the cookie file or are other methods
employed ?

If so, I would like to figure out how to make these log-in's
permanent.


Cookies specify an expiration date and time, some longer than others. 
Anything longer than a year is "permanent" for most practical purposes. 
But you can't force a site to set a permanent cookie, and you can't keep 
them from clearing an aged one. The most you can do, if you really want 
the busybodies tracking your every move, is to accept all cookies and 
never clear them.


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Re: "Keep me logged in"

[Jay Garcia]

On 16.01.2012 12:49, DoctorBill wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> When logging into some web sites I visit, I see that when I go back,
> I am still logged in.   Some not
> 
> Some sites make me log in every 5 minutes or so of not having them
> onscreen all the time.
> 
> So what is happening - cookies being placed ?
> 
> If so - are they ALWAYS in the cookie file or are other methods employed ?
> 
> If so, I would like to figure out how to make these log-in's permanent.
> 
> DoctorBill

Usually a cookie function. Remove the cookie(s) for that site and then
return, see if you're still logged in.

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Re: "Keep me logged in"

[David E. Ross]

On 1/16/12 10:49 AM, DoctorBill wrote:
> When logging into some web sites I visit, I see that when I go back,
> I am still logged in.   Some not
> 
> Some sites make me log in every 5 minutes or so of not having them 
> onscreen all the time.
> 
> So what is happening - cookies being placed ?
> 
> If so - are they ALWAYS in the cookie file or are other methods employed ?
> 
> If so, I would like to figure out how to make these log-in's permanent.
> 
> DoctorBill

All that is a function of the Web site.  In general, the site is timing
how long it has been since the last time you accessed its Web server,
how long you have been inactive on the site.   Some sites even allow you
to set the allowed duration of inactivity.

For financial and sales sites, this is a safety feature.  You are logged
out after some period of inactivity to prevent someone else from using
your login.  After all, many bank transactions or consumer purchases are
done online from the work place where other individuals are present.

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"Keep me logged in"

[DoctorBill]

When logging into some web sites I visit, I see that when I go back,
I am still logged in.   Some not

Some sites make me log in every 5 minutes or so of not having them 
onscreen all the time.


So what is happening - cookies being placed ?

If so - are they ALWAYS in the cookie file or are other methods employed ?

If so, I would like to figure out how to make these log-in's permanent.

DoctorBill
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