Re: Massive RAM usage
Ed Mullen wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Libertarian Lilly wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyjurj...@bellsouth.net wrote : GerardJan wrote: Libertarian Lilly wrote: Come to think of it, if SM is using about 41 megs of RAM per open tab, isn't that WAY excessive? good enough for me, i have 4Mbyte physical memory Huh? 41megs 4Mbyte No, 41 megabytes per open tab. 12 tabs uses 440 megs, right? My calculator reports that 41 times 12 equals 492. But if GerardJan has (only) 4Mbytes of physical memory, how does he fit that 41 meg tab into it? Win 7 32-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 12 tabs open. 155,740 Kb of RAM used. Now you're trying to confuse me :) GerardJan wrote 4Mbytes. You write 4Gb Ram! 12 x 41 = 492 megs. But you write that 12 tabs use 155,740 Kb of RAM! Are you discussing the same case Ed? Gerard had to have mis-typed. No modern PC has anything less than 512 Mb to 1 Gb of RAM. GerardJan frequently does. He has also freely admitted that he occasionally forgets his medication. ;-) My PC (one of five) has 4 GIGA-bytes of RAM. ..as does mine. I just started a fresh SeaMonkey 2.8 (Linux), opened 12 tabs (each with my local start page) and it is using a total of 44.56 MB of RAM. Another fresh start with just a single tab uses 39.81 MB. I don't remember if anyone mentioned exactly *what* pages were open in all their tabs, which could make a huge difference in everyone's readings. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Daniel wrote: Something to add to the discussion.. Tonight I've been downloading some fan fiction Video's. When I first opened the Download Manager, it's screen (History) was blank!! I's that right? Yes!! That's why I wrote it!! Tonight, without deleting my History, the Download Manager still lists the half dozen files I downloaded last night. -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-05-23 6:33 AM, Daniel wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-05-22 6:03 AM, Daniel wrote: Just exported my current places.sqlite and got a HTML file of 302.8KB. I wonder what I've got in the 3.6MB file!!! Mostly, your browsing history. Plus meta data, like when you last visited each site, how many times you've visited each site, and any stored favicons as well. So, o.k., in my old bookmarks.html file, that is 3.6MB I could have still had all my history, but I just deleted my current History and then re-exported the current places.sqlite file and it (HTML) still came out as 302.8KB!! bookmarks.html does not contain history or the other data I mentioned. places.sqlite does. When you export to bookmarks.html, it just exports the bookmarks list, not all the data in places.sqlite. Tks, Chris!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-05-22 6:03 AM, Daniel wrote: Just exported my current places.sqlite and got a HTML file of 302.8KB. I wonder what I've got in the 3.6MB file!!! Mostly, your browsing history. Plus meta data, like when you last visited each site, how many times you've visited each site, and any stored favicons as well. So, o.k., in my old bookmarks.html file, that is 3.6MB I could have still had all my history, but I just deleted my current History and then re-exported the current places.sqlite file and it (HTML) still came out as 302.8KB!! Note:- I've still got addresses in the address drop-down! I expected these to disappear if I deleted History, or do I have to re-start SM?? -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Daniel wrote: So, o.k., in my old bookmarks.html file, that is 3.6MB I could have still had all my history, but I just deleted my current History and then re-exported the current places.sqlite file and it (HTML) still came out as 302.8KB!! OK, sounds right. Note:- I've still got addresses in the address drop-down! I expected these to disappear if I deleted History, or do I have to re-start SM?? Browsing history and location bar history are two different things and must be cleared separately. See Edit | Preferences | Browser | History Note also: Edit | Preferences | Privacy Security There are separate checkboxes, so you can clear one or the other or both or neither when you tell SM to clear private data. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Daniel wrote: So, o.k., in my old bookmarks.html file, that is 3.6MB I could have still had all my history, but I just deleted my current History and then re-exported the current places.sqlite file and it (HTML) still came out as 302.8KB!! OK, sounds right. Note:- I've still got addresses in the address drop-down! I expected these to disappear if I deleted History, or do I have to re-start SM?? Browsing history and location bar history are two different things and must be cleared separately. See Edit | Preferences | Browser | History Note also: Edit | Preferences | Privacy Security There are separate checkboxes, so you can clear one or the other or both or neither when you tell SM to clear private data. Something to add to the discussion.. Tonight I've been downloading some fan fiction Video's. When I first opened the Download Manager, it's screen (History) was blank!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Daniel wrote: Something to add to the discussion.. Tonight I've been downloading some fan fiction Video's. When I first opened the Download Manager, it's screen (History) was blank!! I's that right? -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
On 12-05-23 6:33 AM, Daniel wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-05-22 6:03 AM, Daniel wrote: Just exported my current places.sqlite and got a HTML file of 302.8KB. I wonder what I've got in the 3.6MB file!!! Mostly, your browsing history. Plus meta data, like when you last visited each site, how many times you've visited each site, and any stored favicons as well. So, o.k., in my old bookmarks.html file, that is 3.6MB I could have still had all my history, but I just deleted my current History and then re-exported the current places.sqlite file and it (HTML) still came out as 302.8KB!! bookmarks.html does not contain history or the other data I mentioned. places.sqlite does. When you export to bookmarks.html, it just exports the bookmarks list, not all the data in places.sqlite. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Jahwohl master gjikkl! MAster? no, I know computer and I can tell when someone talks nonsense and think they know what are they talk about, you should be more humble and accept the correction, because if you feel I'm making myself superior I'm not, I just know more about PCs than you, so you shouldn't be cynical about it. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
MCBastos wrote: Snip So, if Daniel has a bookmarks.html file over 3.6 megs, particularly one without many favicons, well, it probably contains an humongous number of links. Just exported my current places.sqlite and got a HTML file of 302.8KB. I wonder what I've got in the 3.6MB file!!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Daniel wrote: MCBastos wrote: Snip So, if Daniel has a bookmarks.html file over 3.6 megs, particularly one without many favicons, well, it probably contains an humongous number of links. Just exported my current places.sqlite and got a HTML file of 302.8KB. I wonder what I've got in the 3.6MB file!!! As I noted above: Sure. And mine shrinks to 205 KB. The rest is probably history. If you want to shrink it, delete your history and see. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
On 12-05-22 6:03 AM, Daniel wrote: Just exported my current places.sqlite and got a HTML file of 302.8KB. I wonder what I've got in the 3.6MB file!!! Mostly, your browsing history. Plus meta data, like when you last visited each site, how many times you've visited each site, and any stored favicons as well. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Mailing list/Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Libertarian Lilly wrote: Danield...@albury.nospam.net.au wrote : Libertarian Lilly wrote: gjikklsaul...@netscape.netwrote : Jean Zebloski wrote: Why would Seamonkey be chewing up 430 megs of RAM all the time? Because it makes ineficient use of cache, but works toward that has been initiated and they say will continue to improve over time, for now he have to settle for a FAT SEAMONKEY, that's getting thiner VERY SLOWLY. People keep saying to just give it up and use Firefox. With the interminably slow bookmarks loading in SM, I'm getting to agree with them. *YOU* (and others) may experience interminably slow bookmarks loading in SM, but I (and others) do not, so the problem may be with your bookmarks file! Yes, it's grown to horrible proportions, about 3.6 megs. Shame on me. My bookmarks file, places.sqlite, is 10 MB and not causing me problems!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Daniel wrote: Libertarian Lilly wrote: Danield...@albury.nospam.net.au wrote : Yes, it's grown to horrible proportions, about 3.6 megs. Shame on me. My bookmarks file, places.sqlite, is 10 MB and not causing me problems!! Mine's over 20 MB, no problems. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Interviewed by CNN on 21/05/2012 12:32, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: Daniel wrote: Libertarian Lilly wrote: Danield...@albury.nospam.net.au wrote : Yes, it's grown to horrible proportions, about 3.6 megs. Shame on me. My bookmarks file, places.sqlite, is 10 MB and not causing me problems!! Mine's over 20 MB, no problems. My places.sqlite is 71 Mb. But... ... exporting it to HTML format yields a file just 1.7 Mb in size, for 2152 bookmarks. And that's including a lot of encoded favicon images... So, if Daniel has a bookmarks.html file over 3.6 megs, particularly one without many favicons, well, it probably contains an humongous number of links. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Death Star. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.9 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 21/05/2012 12:32, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: Daniel wrote: Libertarian Lilly wrote: Danield...@albury.nospam.net.au wrote : Yes, it's grown to horrible proportions, about 3.6 megs. Shame on me. My bookmarks file, places.sqlite, is 10 MB and not causing me problems!! Mine's over 20 MB, no problems. My places.sqlite is 71 Mb. But... ... exporting it to HTML format yields a file just 1.7 Mb in size, for 2152 bookmarks. And that's including a lot of encoded favicon images... Sure. And mine shrinks to 205 KB. The rest is probably history. So, if Daniel has a bookmarks.html file over 3.6 megs, particularly one without many favicons, well, it probably contains an humongous number of links. Hard to tell until we know we're comparing apples to apples. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 21/05/2012 12:32, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: Daniel wrote: Libertarian Lilly wrote: Danield...@albury.nospam.net.au wrote : Yes, it's grown to horrible proportions, about 3.6 megs. Shame on me. My bookmarks file, places.sqlite, is 10 MB and not causing me problems!! Mine's over 20 MB, no problems. My places.sqlite is 71 Mb. But... ... exporting it to HTML format yields a file just 1.7 Mb in size, for 2152 bookmarks. And that's including a lot of encoded favicon images... Sure. And mine shrinks to 205 KB. The rest is probably history. So, if Daniel has a bookmarks.html file over 3.6 megs, particularly one without many favicons, well, it probably contains an humongous number of links. Hard to tell until we know we're comparing apples to apples. My places.sqlite is 10.5 Mb... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote: Daniel wrote: gjikkl wrote: Jean Zebloski wrote: Why would Seamonkey be chewing up 430 megs of RAM all the time? Because it makes ineficient use of cache, but works toward that has been initiated and they say will continue to improve over time, for now he have to settle for a FAT SEAMONKEY, that's getting thiner VERY SLOWLY. Sorry, about:memory tells me my SeaMonkey is using approx 625MB of (vsize) memory, but does not list anything about the cache size!! about:cache should help there Thanks, Barry, I was aware!! My reply was with regards to gjikkl's post above, which seems, to me, to suggest that SM's usage of RAM was tied in with it's cache usage, but I believe they are separate problems/situations! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Libertarian Lilly wrote: gjikklsaul...@netscape.net wrote : Jean Zebloski wrote: Why would Seamonkey be chewing up 430 megs of RAM all the time? Because it makes ineficient use of cache, but works toward that has been initiated and they say will continue to improve over time, for now he have to settle for a FAT SEAMONKEY, that's getting thiner VERY SLOWLY. People keep saying to just give it up and use Firefox. With the interminably slow bookmarks loading in SM, I'm getting to agree with them. *YOU* (and others) may experience interminably slow bookmarks loading in SM, but I (and others) do not, so the problem may be with your bookmarks file! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Daniel d...@albury.nospam.net.au wrote : Libertarian Lilly wrote: gjikklsaul...@netscape.net wrote : Jean Zebloski wrote: Why would Seamonkey be chewing up 430 megs of RAM all the time? Because it makes ineficient use of cache, but works toward that has been initiated and they say will continue to improve over time, for now he have to settle for a FAT SEAMONKEY, that's getting thiner VERY SLOWLY. People keep saying to just give it up and use Firefox. With the interminably slow bookmarks loading in SM, I'm getting to agree with them. *YOU* (and others) may experience interminably slow bookmarks loading in SM, but I (and others) do not, so the problem may be with your bookmarks file! Yes, it's grown to horrible proportions, about 3.6 megs. Shame on me. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Interviewed by CNN on 18/05/2012 16:23, Beauregard T. Shagnasty told the world: The reason I asked is because your half-gigabyte is way far and above what I get from a similar number of tabs. If one is checking memory used by *tabs*, one does not normally load up a dozen different pages filled with images and videos which will skew the results. My testing page for this experiment was a simple local page of about 4 KB, opened a dozen times and resulting in less than a tenth of your version. OK, just to give something reproducible: I have a set of tabs I open daily to check my comics. Those are: http://www.gocomics.com/bloomcounty http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes http://www.dilbert.com/ http://www.gocomics.com/foxtrotclassics/ http://www.gocomics.com/libertymeadows http://www.offthemark.com/daily.php/ http://www.kevinandkell.com/ http://www.onthefastrack.com/ http://safehavenscomic.com/ http://www.gocomics.com/peanuts http://www.sheldoncomics.com/ http://www.sluggy.com/ http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/ 13 pages, all containing images, some of them containing several images, some of them containing ads and other crap (although NoScript blocks quite a bit of those). Plus Seamonkey Mail, plus the message editor (Composer) where I'm writing this very post. Windows Task Manager reports 326868 K for Seamonkey plus 27824 K for plugin-container. About:memory gives this: Explicit Allocations 265.52 MB (100.0%) -- explicit ├──113.50 MB (42.75%) -- js │ ├───36.61 MB (13.79%) -- compartment([System Principal], 0x63e6000) │ │ ├──19.02 MB (07.16%) -- gc-heap │ │ │ ├───6.11 MB (02.30%) -- objects │ │ │ │ ├──3.13 MB (01.18%) ── function │ │ │ │ └──2.97 MB (01.12%) ── non-function │ │ │ ├───4.91 MB (01.85%) -- shapes │ │ │ │ ├──2.84 MB (01.07%) ── tree │ │ │ │ └──2.07 MB (00.78%) ++ (2 tiny) │ │ │ ├───4.65 MB (01.75%) ── strings │ │ │ └───3.34 MB (01.26%) ++ (4 tiny) │ │ ├───4.15 MB (01.56%) ++ (5 tiny) │ │ ├───4.06 MB (01.53%) ── script-data │ │ ├───3.38 MB (01.27%) ── analysis-temporary │ │ ├───3.10 MB (01.17%) ── string-chars │ │ └───2.92 MB (01.10%) ++ shapes-extra │ ├───19.44 MB (07.32%) ++ (40 tiny) │ ├───13.82 MB (05.20%) ── gc-heap-decommitted │ ├───11.82 MB (04.45%) -- compartment(https://plusone.google.com/_/+1/fastbutton?bsv=purl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.onthefastrack.com%2F%3Fp%3D1592size=mediumcount=truehl=en-USjsh=m%3B%2F_%2Fapps-static%2F_%2Fjs%2Fgapi%2F__features__%2Frt%3Dj%2Fver%3D6pJQ7GZ7cYA.en.%2Fsv%3D1%2Fam%3D!tbK8W_8mwqaIodoNDQ%2Fd%3D1%2Frs%3DAItRSTNlDJtRFk-OErcH2_5IvFTLyiPUDg#id=I2_1337410450577parent=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.onthefastrack.comrpctoken=211309993_methods=onPlusOne%2C_ready%2C_close%2C_open%2C_resizeMe%2C_renderstart) │ │ ├───6.48 MB (02.44%) ++ gc-heap │ │ ├───3.20 MB (01.21%) ── script-data [2] │ │ └───2.14 MB (00.81%) ++ (7 tiny) │ ├7.74 MB (02.91%) -- compartment(http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes) │ │├──4.32 MB (01.63%) ++ gc-heap │ │└──3.42 MB (01.29%) ++ (8 tiny) │ ├4.87 MB (01.83%) ++ compartment(http://www.kevinandkell.com/) │ ├3.65 MB (01.37%) ++ compartment(atoms) │ ├3.63 MB (01.37%) ++ compartment(http://www.google.com.br/search?hl=ensource=hpq=screenshot%20seamonkey%202oq=aq=aqi=aql=gs_sm=gs_upl=) │ ├3.35 MB (01.26%) ── xpconnect │ ├2.94 MB (01.11%) ++ compartment(http://www.dilbert.com/) │ ├2.84 MB (01.07%) ++ compartment(http://www.onthefastrack.com/) │ └2.78 MB (01.05%) ++ compartment(http://safehavenscomic.com/) ├───78.29 MB (29.48%) ── heap-unclassified ├───30.45 MB (11.47%) -- storage │ └──30.45 MB (11.47%) -- sqlite │ ├──13.92 MB (05.24%) ── other │ ├──13.80 MB (05.20%) -- places.sqlite │ │ ├──13.41 MB (05.05%) ── cache-used [3] │ │ └───0.39 MB (00.15%) ++ (2 tiny) │ └───2.73 MB (01.03%) ++ (11 tiny) ├───14.17 MB (05.34%) -- images │ ├───8.13 MB (03.06%) -- content │ │ ├──8.13 MB (03.06%) -- used │ │ │ ├──5.40 MB (02.04%) ── raw │ │ │ ├──2.73 MB (01.03%) ── uncompressed-heap │ │ │ └──0.00 MB (00.00%) ── uncompressed-nonheap │ │ └──0.00 MB (00.00%) ++ unused │ └───6.03 MB (02.27%) -- chrome │ ├──6.03 MB (02.27%) -- used │ │ ├──6.03 MB (02.27%) ── uncompressed-heap │ │ └──0.00 MB (00.00%) ++ (2 tiny) │ └──0.00 MB (00.00%) ++ unused ├───13.40 MB (05.05%) ++ layout ├8.05 MB (03.03%) -- dom │├──4.78 MB (01.80%) -- window-objects ││ ├──4.50 MB (01.70%) ++ active ││ └──0.28 MB (00.11%) ++ (2 tiny) │└──3.27 MB (01.23%) -- workers() │ └──3.27 MB (01.23%) ++ worker(chrome://ghostery/content/ghostery-scanner.js, 0xef044000ef04400) ├4.85 MB (01.83%) ++ (6 tiny) └2.81 MB (01.06%) -- startup-cache ├──2.81 MB (01.06%) ── mapping └──0.00 MB (00.00%) ── data Other Measurements 0.22 MB ── canvas-2d-pixel-bytes 265.53 MB ── explicit 7.69 MB ── gfx-d2d-surfacecache 29.55 MB ── gfx-d2d-surfacevram 8.36 MB ──
Re: Massive RAM usage
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: gjikkl wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: gjikkl wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Win 7 32-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 12 tabs open. 155,740 Kb of RAM used. Win 7 64-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 18 tabs open. 519,296 Kb of RAM used. Pray tell, what pages are opened in those 18 tabs? Sorry I can't. Because you don't want to reveal, or because you can't remember? The reason I asked is because your half-gigabyte is way far and above what I get from a similar number of tabs. If one is checking memory used by *tabs*, one does not normally load up a dozen different pages filled with images and videos which will skew the results. My testing page for this experiment was a simple local page of about 4 KB, opened a dozen times and resulting in less than a tenth of your version. Beauregard, just for interest, I've checked three of my homepage group:- http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/TV/static/VICRegNight.html http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR492.shtml http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR492.shtml and, in a fourth tab, about:memory tells me I'm using about 665MB vsize. Is this what you were asking for?? Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
MCBastos wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty told the world: The reason I asked is because your half-gigabyte is way far and above what I get from a similar number of tabs. If one is checking memory used by *tabs*, one does not normally load up a dozen different pages filled with images and videos which will skew the results. My testing page for this experiment was a simple local page of about 4 KB, opened a dozen times and resulting in less than a tenth of your version. OK, just to give something reproducible: I have a set of tabs I open daily to check my comics. Those are: snip 13 pages, all containing images, some of them containing several images, some of them containing ads and other crap (although NoScript blocks quite a bit of those). Plus Seamonkey Mail, plus the message editor (Composer) where I'm writing this very post. Windows Task Manager reports 326868 K for Seamonkey plus 27824 K for plugin-container. About:memory gives this: Explicit Allocations 265.52 MB (100.0%) -- explicit snip Thanks to you and Daniel for the test. This seems to prove that the amount of RAM in use is more-or-less dependent on *what pages* are loaded in the ~12 tabs, and not actually any kind of fault of the browser or the tabs themselves. If one loads pages containing lots of unknown images of various file sizes and other multimedia, the memory usage will be high. Keep in mind, too, that any pages that have that silly Facebook Like button, there's another over-a-quarter-megabyte of JavaScript, each. As I said, my test involved a dozen tabs each with a small ~4KB page (no images, only text and links), and the total amount of RAM used by SeaMonkey was ~50MB. I don't see a browser issue here. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: MCBastos wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty told the world: The reason I asked is because your half-gigabyte is way far and above what I get from a similar number of tabs. If one is checking memory used by *tabs*, one does not normally load up a dozen different pages filled with images and videos which will skew the results. My testing page for this experiment was a simple local page of about 4 KB, opened a dozen times and resulting in less than a tenth of your version. OK, just to give something reproducible: I have a set of tabs I open daily to check my comics. Those are: snip 13 pages, all containing images, some of them containing several images, some of them containing ads and other crap (although NoScript blocks quite a bit of those). Plus Seamonkey Mail, plus the message editor (Composer) where I'm writing this very post. Windows Task Manager reports 326868 K for Seamonkey plus 27824 K for plugin-container. About:memory gives this: Explicit Allocations 265.52 MB (100.0%) -- explicit snip Thanks to you and Daniel for the test. This seems to prove that the amount of RAM in use is more-or-less dependent on *what pages* are loaded in the ~12 tabs, and not actually any kind of fault of the browser or the tabs themselves. If one loads pages containing lots of unknown images of various file sizes and other multimedia, the memory usage will be high. Keep in mind, too, that any pages that have that silly Facebook Like button, there's another over-a-quarter-megabyte of JavaScript, each. As I said, my test involved a dozen tabs each with a small ~4KB page (no images, only text and links), and the total amount of RAM used by SeaMonkey was ~50MB. I don't see a browser issue here. Beauregard, just for a further test, so you would know how much graphics, etc, is loaded in the viewed pages, I just opened twelve tabs all addressed to http://www.seamonkey-project.org/. vsize 668MB .. which is roughly the same as what I was getting for my earlier three tabs!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Daniel wrote: Beauregard, just for a further test, so you would know how much graphics, etc, is loaded in the viewed pages, I just opened twelve tabs all addressed to http://www.seamonkey-project.org/. vsize 668MB .. which is roughly the same as what I was getting for my earlier three tabs!! Thanks for the further test. That page (a single instance) is 79KB uncompressed. My page is 9KB, and this seems to solidify my theory. :-) -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Daniel wrote: gjikkl wrote: Jean Zebloski wrote: Why would Seamonkey be chewing up 430 megs of RAM all the time? Because it makes ineficient use of cache, but works toward that has been initiated and they say will continue to improve over time, for now he have to settle for a FAT SEAMONKEY, that's getting thiner VERY SLOWLY. Sorry, about:memory tells me my SeaMonkey is using approx 625MB of (vsize) memory, but does not list anything about the cache size!! about:cache should help there ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Paul B. Gallagher pau...@pbgdashtranslations.com wrote : Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: But if GerardJan has (only) 4Mbytes of physical memory, how does he fit that 41 meg tab into it? If he has only 4 MB of RAM, he's running a wristwatch, not a computer. He must've meant 4 GB. Of course. Hey, I still have some 4k RAM chips on the shelf, from 1978, if I recall. :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Ed Mullen e...@mungeedmullen.net wrote : Gerard had to have mis-typed. No modern PC has anything less than 512 Mb to 1 Gb of RAM. My PC (one of five) has 4 GIGA-bytes of RAM. resolved, yes ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty a.nony.mous@example.invalid wrote : Gerard had to have mis-typed. No modern PC has anything less than 512 Mb to 1 Gb of RAM. GerardJan frequently does. He has also freely admitted that he occasionally forgets his medication. ;-) My PC (one of five) has 4 GIGA-bytes of RAM. Yes, the OP said, if I recall, 8GB of RAM and each SM tab was using about 40 megs when there were 12 open? Wasn't it 440 or so megs total? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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gjikkl saul...@netscape.net wrote : Jean Zebloski wrote: Why would Seamonkey be chewing up 430 megs of RAM all the time? Because it makes ineficient use of cache, but works toward that has been initiated and they say will continue to improve over time, for now he have to settle for a FAT SEAMONKEY, that's getting thiner VERY SLOWLY. People keep saying to just give it up and use Firefox. With the interminably slow bookmarks loading in SM, I'm getting to agree with them. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Barry Edwin Gilmour barrygilm...@bigpond.com wrote : Daniel wrote: gjikkl wrote: Jean Zebloski wrote: Why would Seamonkey be chewing up 430 megs of RAM all the time? Because it makes ineficient use of cache, but works toward that has been initiated and they say will continue to improve over time, for now he have to settle for a FAT SEAMONKEY, that's getting thiner VERY SLOWLY. Sorry, about:memory tells me my SeaMonkey is using approx 625MB of (vsize) memory, but does not list anything about the cache size!! about:cache should help there Information about the Cache Service Memory cache device Number of entries: 134 Maximum storage size: 32768 KiB Storage in use: 219 KiB Inactive storage: 219 KiB List Cache Entries Disk cache device Number of entries: 72657 Maximum storage size: 1048576 KiB Storage in use: 807993 KiB \q6uia1cf.default\Cache List Cache Entries Offline cache device Number of entries: 0 Maximum storage size: 512000 KiB Storage in use: 0 KiB ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Beauregard T. Shagnasty a.nony.mous@example.invalid wrote : gjikkl wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Win 7 32-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 12 tabs open. 155,740 Kb of RAM used. Win 7 64-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 18 tabs open. 519,296 Kb of RAM used. Pray tell, what pages are opened in those 18 tabs? Here's 10 blank Google search pages: Information about the Cache Service Memory cache device Number of entries: 134 Maximum storage size: 32768 KiB Storage in use: 219 KiB Inactive storage: 219 KiB List Cache Entries Disk cache device Number of entries: 72667 Maximum storage size: 1048576 KiB Storage in use: 808033 KiB Cache Directory:... \q6uia1cf.default\Cache List Cache Entries Offline cache device Number of entries: 0 Maximum storage size: 512000 KiB Storage in use: 0 KiB Cache Directory:... \q6uia1cf.default\OfflineCache ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Interviewed by CNN on 20/05/2012 01:10, Libertarian Lilly told the world: gjikkl saul...@netscape.net wrote : Jean Zebloski wrote: Why would Seamonkey be chewing up 430 megs of RAM all the time? Because it makes ineficient use of cache, but works toward that has been initiated and they say will continue to improve over time, for now he have to settle for a FAT SEAMONKEY, that's getting thiner VERY SLOWLY. People keep saying to just give it up and use Firefox. With the interminably slow bookmarks loading in SM, I'm getting to agree with them. Uh? I don't notice that, and I have quite a few bookmarks. The menu just snaps open. Anyway, Firefox has been on a diet for the last year. Only it's not really Firefox who is on a diet, but Gecko. Which means that Seamonkey should reap most of the benefits too. However, there is a delay between an improvement being announced as landed and it actually showing up in a release version. For instance, there was recently an announcement of a patch that greatly reduces the problem of add-ons leaking memory. Only, of course, the patch landed on the *trunk*. Which means that it won't see the light of the day until Firefox 15, scheduled for August 15 I believe (Current Beta version is FF 13, Aurora is FF 14). That is, if no serious problems are found with this patch while undergoing the Aurora and Beta stabilization phases. If a serious problem is found, this feature might be delayed a bit more. But it's a Gecko patch, meaning that if FF 15 has it, SM 2.12 (also due in August) should have it too. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Apple Pippin. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.9 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Jean Zebloski wrote: Why would Seamonkey be chewing up 430 megs of RAM all the time? Because it makes ineficient use of cache, but works toward that has been initiated and they say will continue to improve over time, for now he have to settle for a FAT SEAMONKEY, that's getting thiner VERY SLOWLY. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Ed Mullen wrote: Win 7 32-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 12 tabs open. 155,740 Kb of RAM used. Win 7 64-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 18 tabs open. 519,296 Kb of RAM used. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
INstead why don't you ask yourself: am I making stupid assumptions based on information I recollected myself as true? How can you assume a PC would have 4MB of RAM? not even a Cell phone has that little, if you don't know anything about computers I'd suggest to shut up and inform yourself before writing anything else. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
gjikkl wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Win 7 32-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 12 tabs open. 155,740 Kb of RAM used. Win 7 64-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 18 tabs open. 519,296 Kb of RAM used. Pray tell, what pages are opened in those 18 tabs? -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: gjikkl wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Win 7 32-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 12 tabs open. 155,740 Kb of RAM used. Win 7 64-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 18 tabs open. 519,296 Kb of RAM used. Pray tell, what pages are opened in those 18 tabs? Sorry I can't. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
gjikkl wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Win 7 32-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 12 tabs open. 155,740 Kb of RAM used. Win 7 64-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 18 tabs open. 519,296 Kb of RAM used. gjikkl. Just for funnsies, How about opening just 12 tabs and reporting on a more comparable case. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
gjikkl wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: gjikkl wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Win 7 32-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 12 tabs open. 155,740 Kb of RAM used. Win 7 64-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 18 tabs open. 519,296 Kb of RAM used. Pray tell, what pages are opened in those 18 tabs? Sorry I can't. Because you don't want to reveal, or because you can't remember? The reason I asked is because your half-gigabyte is way far and above what I get from a similar number of tabs. If one is checking memory used by *tabs*, one does not normally load up a dozen different pages filled with images and videos which will skew the results. My testing page for this experiment was a simple local page of about 4 KB, opened a dozen times and resulting in less than a tenth of your version. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
gjikkl wrote: INstead why don't you ask yourself: am I making stupid assumptions based on information I recollected myself as true? How can you assume a PC would have 4MB of RAM? not even a Cell phone has that little, if you don't know anything about computers I'd suggest to shut up and inform yourself before writing anything else. Jahwohl master gjikkl! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: gjikkl wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Win 7 32-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 12 tabs open. 155,740 Kb of RAM used. Win 7 64-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 18 tabs open. 519,296 Kb of RAM used. Pray tell, what pages are opened in those 18 tabs? Minor detail ! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: gjikkl wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Win 7 32-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 12 tabs open. 155,740 Kb of RAM used. Win 7 64-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 18 tabs open. 519,296 Kb of RAM used. gjikkl. Just for funnsies, How about opening just 12 tabs and reporting on a more comparable case. ...on my Mac, with 12 tabs open - 1 to my Exite home page, and the other 11 to Google (which is mostly white-space) my Activity Monitor shows SM 2.9.1 using 409.2M of real memory, and 301.2M of virtual memory - which is odd to me, because I have my cashe set to zero and have 8G of RAM installed, so I wouldn't expect SM to use *any* VM. Or should I?.. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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gjikkl wrote: INstead why don't you ask yourself: am I making stupid assumptions based on information I recollected myself as true? How can you assume a PC would have 4MB of RAM? not even a Cell phone has that little, if you don't know anything about computers I'd suggest to shut up and inform yourself before writing anything else. Sorry, you've clipped all preceding content so I have not a clue what you're talking about/replying to. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Just before someone gets nervous, do they experience cocoons in their stomach? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: gjikkl wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Win 7 32-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 12 tabs open. 155,740 Kb of RAM used. Win 7 64-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 18 tabs open. 519,296 Kb of RAM used. Pray tell, what pages are opened in those 18 tabs? You want URLs? Shit, I have no idea, I just opened random URLs. But, not Flash pages that I remember. Nor Java ones. Fairly plain-Jane pages. And, yes, sure, that would affect the data. But, hell, no one in this discussion seems to have offered any rigourous method of analysis. I was just offering my two cents in case anyone cared to observe it. So, pray tell what do you have to offer other than a veiled slur on my post? Or, as one of my best friends is fond of saying: Bite me. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Just before someone gets nervous, do they experience cocoons in their stomach? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Libertarian Lilly wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj urj...@bellsouth.net wrote : GerardJan wrote: Libertarian Lilly wrote: Come to think of it, if SM is using about 41 megs of RAM per open tab, isn't that WAY excessive? good enough for me, i have 4Mbyte physical memory sincerely, Huh? 41megs 4Mbyte No, 41 megabytes per open tab. 12 tabs uses 440 megs, right? [root@gershwin ~]# fdisk /dev/sda Command (m for help): p Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders, total 976773168 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x827c953a Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 *2048 206847 1024007 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda2 20684897861631488273927 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT /dev/sda39786163298885631 512000 83 Linux /dev/sda498885632 976773167 4389437685 Extended /dev/sda598887680 976773119 438942720 8e Linux LVM Command (m for help): q [root@gershwin ~]# -- ~Vink GerardJan Vinkesteijn VRI http://vinkesteijn.info mailto://g.j.f.vinkeste...@hotmail.es http://ciudadpatricia.com on Linux ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Libertarian Lilly wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyjurj...@bellsouth.net wrote : GerardJan wrote: Libertarian Lilly wrote: Come to think of it, if SM is using about 41 megs of RAM per open tab, isn't that WAY excessive? good enough for me, i have 4Mbyte physical memory sincerely, Huh? 41megs 4Mbyte No, 41 megabytes per open tab. 12 tabs uses 440 megs, right? My calculator reports that 41 times 12 equals 492. But if GerardJan has (only) 4Mbytes of physical memory, how does he fit that 41 meg tab into it? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Libertarian Lilly wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyjurj...@bellsouth.net wrote : GerardJan wrote: Libertarian Lilly wrote: Come to think of it, if SM is using about 41 megs of RAM per open tab, isn't that WAY excessive? good enough for me, i have 4Mbyte physical memory sincerely, Huh? 41megs 4Mbyte No, 41 megabytes per open tab. 12 tabs uses 440 megs, right? My calculator reports that 41 times 12 equals 492. But if GerardJan has (only) 4Mbytes of physical memory, how does he fit that 41 meg tab into it? Win 7 32-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 12 tabs open. 155,740 Kb of RAM used. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ What's another word for thesaurus? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Ed Mullen wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Libertarian Lilly wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyjurj...@bellsouth.net wrote : GerardJan wrote: Libertarian Lilly wrote: Come to think of it, if SM is using about 41 megs of RAM per open tab, isn't that WAY excessive? good enough for me, i have 4Mbyte physical memory sincerely, Huh? 41megs 4Mbyte No, 41 megabytes per open tab. 12 tabs uses 440 megs, right? My calculator reports that 41 times 12 equals 492. But if GerardJan has (only) 4Mbytes of physical memory, how does he fit that 41 meg tab into it? Win 7 32-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 12 tabs open. 155,740 Kb of RAM used. What number on about:memory are you looking at? Looking at the largest number I see - vsize - on my Mac installation, 2 tabs open, shows 3,860.13 MB. Which seems excessive to me...and that's with my cashe size set to zero. Other than that, the number for explicit is 171.98 MB, which seems more reasonable. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: But if GerardJan has (only) 4Mbytes of physical memory, how does he fit that 41 meg tab into it? If he has only 4 MB of RAM, he's running a wristwatch, not a computer. He must've meant 4 GB. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Paul B. Gallagher wrote: If he has only 4 MB of RAM, he's running a wristwatch, not a computer. He must've meant 4 GB. 4Mb is /massive/, man : the first computer on which I worked had 8K ! (Clary 404, sequential architecture, but a very powerful instruction set : one of my 3rd- year students wrote a chess end-game solver in Clary assembler). Philip Taylor. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Ed Mullen wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Libertarian Lilly wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyjurj...@bellsouth.net wrote : GerardJan wrote: Libertarian Lilly wrote: Come to think of it, if SM is using about 41 megs of RAM per open tab, isn't that WAY excessive? good enough for me, i have 4Mbyte physical memory sincerely, Huh? 41megs 4Mbyte No, 41 megabytes per open tab. 12 tabs uses 440 megs, right? My calculator reports that 41 times 12 equals 492. But if GerardJan has (only) 4Mbytes of physical memory, how does he fit that 41 meg tab into it? Win 7 32-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 12 tabs open. 155,740 Kb of RAM used. Now you're trying to confuse me :) GerardJan wrote 4Mbytes. You write 4Gb Ram! 12 x 41 = 492 megs. But you write that 12 tabs use 155,740 Kb of RAM! Are you discussing the same case Ed? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Rufus wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Libertarian Lilly wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyjurj...@bellsouth.net wrote : GerardJan wrote: Libertarian Lilly wrote: Come to think of it, if SM is using about 41 megs of RAM per open tab, isn't that WAY excessive? good enough for me, i have 4Mbyte physical memory sincerely, Huh? 41megs 4Mbyte No, 41 megabytes per open tab. 12 tabs uses 440 megs, right? My calculator reports that 41 times 12 equals 492. But if GerardJan has (only) 4Mbytes of physical memory, how does he fit that 41 meg tab into it? Win 7 32-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 12 tabs open. 155,740 Kb of RAM used. What number on about:memory are you looking at? I'm not, I'm looking at Windows Task Manager. If I have a chance I'll try about:memory and let you know. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ The hilarious thing about self-important self-righteous people is that they are so easily baited. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Libertarian Lilly wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyjurj...@bellsouth.net wrote : GerardJan wrote: Libertarian Lilly wrote: Come to think of it, if SM is using about 41 megs of RAM per open tab, isn't that WAY excessive? good enough for me, i have 4Mbyte physical memory sincerely, Huh? 41megs 4Mbyte No, 41 megabytes per open tab. 12 tabs uses 440 megs, right? My calculator reports that 41 times 12 equals 492. But if GerardJan has (only) 4Mbytes of physical memory, how does he fit that 41 meg tab into it? Win 7 32-bit, 4Gb RAM, SM 2.9.1. 12 tabs open. 155,740 Kb of RAM used. Now you're trying to confuse me :) GerardJan wrote 4Mbytes. You write 4Gb Ram! 12 x 41 = 492 megs. But you write that 12 tabs use 155,740 Kb of RAM! Are you discussing the same case Ed? Gerard had to have mis-typed. No modern PC has anything less than 512 Mb to 1 Gb of RAM. My PC (one of five) has 4 GIGA-bytes of RAM. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ 42.7 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
Libertarian Lilly wrote: Come to think of it, if SM is using about 41 megs of RAM per open tab, isn't that WAY excessive? good enough for me, i have 4Mbyte physical memory sincerely, -- ~Vink http://vinkesteijn.info mailto://g.j.f.vinkeste...@hotmail.es http://ciudadpatricia.com on Windows7 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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GerardJan wrote: Libertarian Lilly wrote: Come to think of it, if SM is using about 41 megs of RAM per open tab, isn't that WAY excessive? good enough for me, i have 4Mbyte physical memory sincerely, Huh? 41megs 4Mbyte ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
NoOp wrote: On 05/15/2012 10:58 AM, chicagofan wrote: NoOp wrote: On 05/14/2012 05:22 PM, Jean Zebloski wrote: Why would Seamonkey be chewing up 430 megs of RAM all the time? about:memory will show you all of the details. What are dirty heaps? :) bj You mean 'heap-dirty'? Hover your mouse over 'heap-dirty' and leave it there for a second; a definition/description should pop up and provide you the information. Note: you can do the same for any other item. Plus you can click on 'Verbose' for additional items under the Main Process trees. Thanks!!! I did not know that! :) bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
On 05/15/2012 10:58 AM, chicagofan wrote: NoOp wrote: On 05/14/2012 05:22 PM, Jean Zebloski wrote: Why would Seamonkey be chewing up 430 megs of RAM all the time? about:memory will show you all of the details. What are dirty heaps? :) bj You mean 'heap-dirty'? Hover your mouse over 'heap-dirty' and leave it there for a second; a definition/description should pop up and provide you the information. Note: you can do the same for any other item. Plus you can click on 'Verbose' for additional items under the Main Process trees. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Massive RAM usage
NoOp wrote: On 05/15/2012 10:58 AM, chicagofan wrote: NoOp wrote: On 05/14/2012 05:22 PM, Jean Zebloski wrote: Why would Seamonkey be chewing up 430 megs of RAM all the time? about:memory will show you all of the details. What are dirty heaps? :) bj You mean 'heap-dirty'? Hover your mouse over 'heap-dirty' and leave it there for a second; a definition/description should pop up and provide you the information. Note: you can do the same for any other item. Plus you can click on 'Verbose' for additional items under the Main Process trees. a lot of info,,, i didn't know about:memory http://vinkesteijn.info/Screenshot.png sincerely, -- ~Vink GerardJan Vinkesteijn VRI http://vinkesteijn.info mailto://g.j.f.vinkeste...@hotmail.es http://ciudadpatricia.com on Linux ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 05/14/2012 05:22 PM, Jean Zebloski wrote: Why would Seamonkey be chewing up 430 megs of RAM all the time? about:memory will show you all of the details. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Massive RAM usage
Why would Seamonkey be chewing up 430 megs of RAM all the time? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote : On 05/14/2012 05:22 PM, Jean Zebloski wrote: Why would Seamonkey be chewing up 430 megs of RAM all the time? about:memory will show you all of the details. Interesting, thanks. I had about a dozen tabs open at the time, that may have caused it. A lot of this is greek to me. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
